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Cool, all of town basically outed me without me even needing to say something. Not sure if it's good or bad. Even if we lynch correctly I'm dead the next night. If you are interested, protected VE N1 and CC tonight. Can't protect same target twice in a row -_-
On to serious matters:
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=404818¤tpage=16#305
On April 07 2013 07:04 RebirthOfLeGenD wrote:
Alrighty. I finished rereading everyones filters. Cheesecake I would like your opinion on both Risk and VE if you would be so kind.
On April 08 2013 08:57 RebirthOfLeGenD wrote:Show nested quote +On April 08 2013 08:54 risk.nuke wrote:On April 08 2013 08:48 RebirthOfLeGenD wrote:
Risk's latest posting only served to solidify his place on my scum list. I would be open to killing him instead of VE, But I am curious to how you feel about that VE? Nice try but townies wouldn't care what their top scumread thinks. Unless you're trying to get more information out of him to determine his alignment, but that shouldn't be necessary since he's your top scumread and you know he's scum right. So why did you direct that question to your top scumread over other people. Because he have townie influence. Hello scumagenda. With scum like these, who needs townies. Good thing because I don't seem to have any. I'm always curious to what people think because unlike you who probably knows every players alignment I concede there is a chance my read can be wrong and a players thoughts could be worthwhile later. Alternatively it allows me to interpret what they attempt to do and decide how much wifom to go into. Suck it. ##Unvote: VisceraEyes
##Vote: Risk.nukeIf anyone cares to read his posting it's abrasive as shit and jumps on stupid tells/slips the whole game. Risk.nuke sucks and needs to die. Can we agree on this ghur?
On April 08 2013 12:39 RebirthOfLeGenD wrote:
HEY GUYS WHY ISN'T RISK.NUKE DEAD YET?!?
On April 08 2013 16:13 RebirthOfLeGenD wrote:
I'm not scum. Can you both just kill risk.nuke already?
On April 09 2013 05:35 RebirthOfLeGenD wrote:
SOMEONE DROP THE FUCKIN' HAMMA
I'm excluding cheese as scum based on connection here cause of RoL's early case and him having Cheese as scumread during D2, along with two now dead townies (that's not the only point though).
I said something earlier:
On April 09 2013 02:42 Ghor wrote:
We need to find out who's actually disinterested in finding scum. Who looks too sure too quickly about his reads.Who wants to hammer fast. Who's only active when under pressure.
RoL fits the profile perfectly. He didn't discuss shit when I tried to D2, both during his CC and risk case he didn't try to infer further who could be scum and if he's right or wrong, he's only active in the final phase, and he was spamming a lot in order to get risk hammered fast.
Sucks I didn't notice earlier.
##Vote RoL
Gonna try to guess who of hopeless/lazer is the last scum now.
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Connection aside, if I had to go by disinterest into finding the best lynch, gaining information and interacting with town, coupled with a noticeable D1→D2 activity drop, the other one would be hopeless.
Currently looking through filters assuming RoL is scum, and I think I'll ignore RoL's early case against CC cause there is connection based stuff speaking in favour of all three candidates.
Need to search for someone having scummy ties with RoL, or suggesting that they know his alignment through their actions.
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Opinions on this (for the case that RoL flips red, which he probably will?)
+ Show Spoiler +On April 05 2013 04:11 Lazermonkey wrote:
I'm having concerns about RoL atm. His whole game thus far has been very lurky and can be summerized by:
1. Fucking with VE. I don't think there was anything productive with his vote at all.
2. Voting risk.
3. Case on CC.
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I'm cool with RoL beeing busy and what not but why the fuck does he post a case on CC and ignore everything else that was in the thread at that time? What happend with his scum read on Risk? He doesn't even mention Sylencia nor Hopeless once. Posting a case is cool and stuff but if the person your case on is relatively active, doesn't have alot of suspicioun on him etc then you cannot realisticly excpect to get that person lynched.
I'm having a few concerns with Hopeless and CC as well but for now
##Vote: RoL On April 05 2013 23:28 Lazermonkey wrote:
Just skimmed through. I strongly dislike american capitalist-swine Ghor. I want old Ghor back, this one is an imposter.
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Please note that Ghor is one vote away from getting killed! On April 06 2013 01:00 Lazermonkey wrote:
You don't make any sense, why would you ask me about Risks actions the last couple of pages if you only had minor issues of some sort and you need him to give an answer to those questions? I figuered you were probebly having some form of scum read on him or wanted to set some form of trap for me but the fact that you explain it away by saying "just wanted your opinion" seems like total BS in my opinion.
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##Vote: CC On April 08 2013 03:53 Lazermonkey wrote:
Holy bandoly batman. RoL wtf are you doing? On April 08 2013 04:12 Lazermonkey wrote:
RoL-voters, explain why RoL posting the most lack luster case there ever was on VE and then proceed to lurk once again is indicative of him being scum. Yes, it is terrible play of him but the fact that you vote him for it is even more surprising to me.
RoL is looking like the biggest fucking lynch bait ever and saying that he doesn't care about the game isn't a good enough reason to kill him. Sooo WHY are you voting him now and not before? That makes zero sense...
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Hopeless is doing whatever so I dunno if he just is really bad. VE is a good player and I can kill him, he wouldn't do this if he would've been town
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1. Fucking with VE. I don't think there was anything productive with his vote at all.
RoL-voters, explain why RoL posting the most lack luster case there ever was on VE and then proceed to lurk once again is indicative of him being scum. Yes, it is terrible play of him but the fact that you vote him for it is even more surprising to me.
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Fuck this game is hard. Too much scummy in this town to be definitely sure.Sigh. Rereading.
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On April 09 2013 23:57 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:
I kinda figured you were medic after you asked for protection, Ghor. My first game as doctor I did the same exact thing night 1, and got killed :p. I was hoping scum didn't pick up on that and kill you l0l.
Heh, scum didn't figure it out this time :d .
Who do you think are the two scum between RoL, LM and hopeless? I am most sure about RoL currently but his scumbuddy sure does a good job.
A few things I caught up while rereading:
Hopeless attacked risk saying "Risk knows CC is town", the early "scumslip". While it wasn't a scumslip, it would speak for a scum hopeless cause he might know you're town (assuming you are) and immediately interpreted that post by risk as scummy according to his prior major knowledge. Hopeless also has shown inconsistency regarding RoL.
+ Show Spoiler +On April 07 2013 05:01 Hopeless1der wrote:both RoL and I have zero votes on us. Explain to me how I'm responsible for playing the game for you. The fact that people are A) willing to do nothing until we return and B) wont vote us in the interim suggests to me that RoL is town. Ghor has made perfect sense regarding what he finds suspicious about risk.nuke. Lazer, you made some reference to ghor is trying to cover up a lie. Show nested quote +On April 05 2013 23:59 Lazermonkey wrote:On April 05 2013 23:48 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:
Hey Lazer, got a minute to talk? I need to shine my mind-control beams through your eyes some more.
What do you think about Risk in the past few pages? He is making sense alot of sense. Ghor is trying to justify his lie by bringing up the most crazy fucking accusations I've seen in a while. What about you? Can you clarify what was going on here, because I thought ghor was going after risk, and you seemed concerned about CC for some reason. On April 07 2013 13:03 Hopeless1der wrote:Show nested quote +On April 07 2013 12:17 RebirthOfLeGenD wrote:
Alright fuck this. We are killing VisceraEyes because I said so.
##vote: VisceraEyes
If cheesecake was scum this thread would not be dead and people would be talking. We are most likely barking up the wrong tree so fuck it. We are killing VisceraEyes because I said so and I don't feel like providing any other reasoning apart from saying that he is one of 3 people I am suspicious of.
DO IT UP ![[image loading]](http://i1.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/list/000/314/419/d06.gif) ##Unvote:risk.nuke
##Vote: RebirthOfLeGenD
LM defended both hopeless and RoL as lynch bait, but said hopeless was an ok lynch after being asked. He didn't defend Sylencia as lynch bait. His attack on RoL was fairly unserious and his arguments inconsistent, and he attacked a lot of his former townreads during D2, but without really sticking to them.
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Well ninjad.
Let's see what these three bring to the table. If hopeless keeps not showing the activity of D1 I'll lynch him.
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RoL blatantly said he had a fairly strong town read on Lazer day 2. I don't think scum would do that, as they are more inclinded to give a slight scummy or slight town read, as opposed to a strong one.
Scum Blazinghand in "The game" actually defended lynchbait townies the hardest while keeping himself doors open for bussing regarding his teammates. I wouldn't use that heuristic.
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On April 10 2013 00:30 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:Show nested quote +On April 10 2013 00:28 Ghor wrote:RoL blatantly said he had a fairly strong town read on Lazer day 2. I don't think scum would do that, as they are more inclinded to give a slight scummy or slight town read, as opposed to a strong one. Scum Blazinghand in "The game" actually defended lynchbait townies the hardest while keeping himself doors open for bussing regarding his teammates. I wouldn't use that heuristic. In fact, you actually prove my point. Lazer defended both Hopeless and RoL and had outs with pretty much either one, especially Hopeless.
Yeah you're right. We still have time and I'll keep digging through LM. I do somewhat want to get the other scumread pinned down at the same time cause I won't be able to find it when I'm dead, if we lynch correctly.
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On April 10 2013 00:41 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:
Hmm... I can't really see the possibility of a Hopeless + RoL team. They were both lurky fucks the entire game and did stupid shit.
Do you think they both could be scum? Personally, I actually just want to lynch the shit out of Lazer right now.
From what I gained so far you wouldn't lynch RoL?
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The problem with your choice, CC, is that all of your case against LM is connection-based, whereas my arguments against RoL are about his lack of discussion, him being too sure about his reads and too quick to hammer. I barely see RoL being in doubt about people, instead he drops cases and pursues them without double-checking, at a stage where I don't manage to be sure about anyone. That looks to me like he doesn't really have doubts about people's alignment but just picks people to lynch and lays back waiting for town to hammer.
Even when he announced he had time to be more active I didn't see the discussion and information digging I'd expect from him.
So at the moment, we have these people wanting to lynch:
CC: Lazermonkey, Hopeless
Me: RoL and someone I don't know yet. I'm not sure about CC either.
Hopeless, RoL, LM. Please state your lynch choices.
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Yeah those are all fine arguments actually.
I also noticed something else that would probably support your association:
On April 02 2013 22:42 Lazermonkey wrote:Btw risk, your main argument against Hopeless at this point is that he entered the thread and was posting but didn't actually say anything of value, i.e. actively lurking. While I do agree this point, I feel that this was exactly how Sylencia entetered the thread. Yet you only mention Hopeless, why is that? I do know that Sylencia have since then been posting one big post but earlier you posted this: Show nested quote +On April 02 2013 11:07 risk.nuke wrote:
Viscera. Tunneling isn't about time, it's about not having an open mind. You lashed out at me instantly and agressively for the smallest thing so clearly you're looking at me as if I am scum and are trying to find things things that are scummy about me to confirm that belief. Aka tunneling.
You want REAL scummy shit. Everyone that's not posting are scummier then those who are posting.
For 2, I personally think Hopeless1der look very uninterested in finding scum. mentioning Hopeless but never Sylencia and that is well before Sylencias big post.
On April 03 2013 07:09 Lazermonkey wrote:Show nested quote +On April 03 2013 06:51 VisceraEyes wrote:
I feel like he got caught with his pants down trying to tiptoe around a risk.nuke lynch. He was indirectly supporting the risk.nuke wagon without adding his vote. Regardless of risk.nuke's alignment, that's a suspicious action out of Hopeless. If at the time he felt like risk.nuke was scum (which his whole association BS is supposing) then there's no reason for him to be indirectly supporting the wagon while trying to start a counter-wagon on someone else. isn't this like exactly what Ghor did? or am I missing something? You don't seem to think that he is scummy. Your other point is quite good though,I must admit. But Syl looks far worse still.
On April 03 2013 07:12 Lazermonkey wrote:
EBWOP: And to clarify I don't actually agree with your first point!
Lazer always agreed with the points being scummy, but instead of drawing conclusions about hopeless he soft-defended him by pointing out other players who did the same stuff.
Except for the point that also applies to sylencia, I don't really understand the motivation here to post this stuff. LM agreed on points being scummy about both me and hopeless but actually didn't suspect me at the time.
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Then he called out CC and risk for not being on hopeless for good reason, but said me and VE had good reasons to be on hopeless. If he deemed these reasons to be "good", then why didn't he push hopeless with them?
VE and Ghor I think have decent reasons to be on him atm.
The reason I didn't say anything about this earlier is because I wanted Hopeless to defend himself rather than me do it for him, but since we are one vote away from killing him atm, my strategy has indeed failed.
So, Lazermonkey defended hopeless 1 vote away from his lynch. But he did actually defend him pretty hard, do you think he would defend a scumbuddy like that?
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I went through hopeless' town games LM linked and hopeless doesn't look like in this one actually.
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On April 05 2013 05:10 Hopeless1der wrote:Show nested quote +On April 05 2013 04:55 Lazermonkey wrote:On April 05 2013 04:48 Hopeless1der wrote:On April 05 2013 04:44 Lazermonkey wrote:On April 05 2013 04:41 Hopeless1der wrote:
No where do I suggest that a No-Lynch is a good idea. The apathy with which he was willing to vote Sylencia is my problem The alternative for him would be a No-lynch. I was on the verge of voting you at that time as no lynch is really fucking terrible, does it make me scum? No, because you werent advocating my lynch all day with arguments such as On April 03 2013 03:17 risk.nuke wrote:
I'm feeling confident hopeless is scum, I haven't gone over Sylencia yet.
I don't have time now but I'll get back to you on him later. On April 03 2013 14:27 risk.nuke wrote:
We're not lynching anyone other then hopeless. RoL you got to be joking if you think that we're going to lynch cheesecake first. While I agree with your posts and I had some thoughts in simmilar direction last night. It's still a weaker case then on hopeless. I don't like how you haven't talked about me since your vote and I would like you to comment further on me and hopeless.
Hopeless is obvious scum and has pretty much given up by now. This is not how he plays as town.
And Ghor's post are not hard to read. If you disregard the fact that he speaks in third person and often don't use capital letters they're actually very simple to read and even efficiently phrased.
Sylencia. Who do you want to kill? On April 04 2013 05:50 risk.nuke wrote:On April 04 2013 05:43 VisceraEyes wrote:On April 04 2013 05:38 risk.nuke wrote:
Ghor, I'm glad you dropped the roleplay, even if it's just temporary it means you care enough for the lynch to stop rping and it says something about you. If hope is town I think it's very unlikely you're mafia and stopped rp'ing to prevent it. However if hope flips scum I'm going to have a real close look at you.
I don't want you to say I'm town because I'm not playing like my scum meta. I generally don't play like this as town either. I would however like you to get your head out of your arse and see that I am scumhunting and contributing and understand that that is town behavior and therefor I am a bad lynch for today. Shut up. What do you think of Sylencia vs Hopeless lynch? lol... Where does it look like I stand? risk doesn't give a shit who got lynched, as long as it wasnt him. What?! I was doing the EXACT same thing as risk was doing ( except the other way around). I pushed Sylencia the whole day, defended you and STILL was willing to vote you. So, please explain how Risks actions only makes him scum... risk didn't push me. You pushed sylencia. Do you not see a difference in the way you and risk have played, because I see one.
Do you see scumbuddies posting this though?
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Then this:
+ Show Spoiler +On April 05 2013 05:16 Lazermonkey wrote:Show nested quote +On April 05 2013 05:10 Hopeless1der wrote:On April 05 2013 04:55 Lazermonkey wrote:On April 05 2013 04:48 Hopeless1der wrote:On April 05 2013 04:44 Lazermonkey wrote:On April 05 2013 04:41 Hopeless1der wrote:
No where do I suggest that a No-Lynch is a good idea. The apathy with which he was willing to vote Sylencia is my problem The alternative for him would be a No-lynch. I was on the verge of voting you at that time as no lynch is really fucking terrible, does it make me scum? No, because you werent advocating my lynch all day with arguments such as On April 03 2013 03:17 risk.nuke wrote:
I'm feeling confident hopeless is scum, I haven't gone over Sylencia yet.
I don't have time now but I'll get back to you on him later. On April 03 2013 14:27 risk.nuke wrote:
We're not lynching anyone other then hopeless. RoL you got to be joking if you think that we're going to lynch cheesecake first. While I agree with your posts and I had some thoughts in simmilar direction last night. It's still a weaker case then on hopeless. I don't like how you haven't talked about me since your vote and I would like you to comment further on me and hopeless.
Hopeless is obvious scum and has pretty much given up by now. This is not how he plays as town.
And Ghor's post are not hard to read. If you disregard the fact that he speaks in third person and often don't use capital letters they're actually very simple to read and even efficiently phrased.
Sylencia. Who do you want to kill? On April 04 2013 05:50 risk.nuke wrote:On April 04 2013 05:43 VisceraEyes wrote:On April 04 2013 05:38 risk.nuke wrote:
Ghor, I'm glad you dropped the roleplay, even if it's just temporary it means you care enough for the lynch to stop rping and it says something about you. If hope is town I think it's very unlikely you're mafia and stopped rp'ing to prevent it. However if hope flips scum I'm going to have a real close look at you.
I don't want you to say I'm town because I'm not playing like my scum meta. I generally don't play like this as town either. I would however like you to get your head out of your arse and see that I am scumhunting and contributing and understand that that is town behavior and therefor I am a bad lynch for today. Shut up. What do you think of Sylencia vs Hopeless lynch? lol... Where does it look like I stand? risk doesn't give a shit who got lynched, as long as it wasnt him. What?! I was doing the EXACT same thing as risk was doing ( except the other way around). I pushed Sylencia the whole day, defended you and STILL was willing to vote you. So, please explain how Risks actions only makes him scum... risk didn't push me. You pushed sylencia. Do you not see a difference in the way you and risk have played, because I see one. Yes he did. Show nested quote +On April 03 2013 14:27 risk.nuke wrote:
We're not lynching anyone other then hopeless. RoL you got to be joking if you think that we're going to lynch cheesecake first. While I agree with your posts and I had some thoughts in simmilar direction last night. It's still a weaker case then on hopeless. I don't like how you haven't talked about me since your vote and I would like you to comment further on me and hopeless.
Hopeless is obvious scum and has pretty much given up by now. This is not how he plays as town.
And Ghor's post are not hard to read. If you disregard the fact that he speaks in third person and often don't use capital letters they're actually very simple to read and even efficiently phrased.
Sylencia. Who do you want to kill? Show nested quote +On April 04 2013 01:27 risk.nuke wrote:
Hopeless, my case on you is not meta based. Meta is generally only something I use to gather others to my case once it's been made.
My problem with you is I called you out for not caring about scum hunting quite early, and despite that you didn't give a shit about trying to up your game, while you weren't under any pressure. Nor have you claimed busy. You just straight out was lurking and never scumhunting or caring about the game.
Your only contributions were highly suspicious egging-on-from-the-shadows posts.
My impression on you which I've gotten from games I've played with you before is you're an intelligent individual. So why have an intelligent townie not given a shit about scumhunting or making cases.
Additionally later when you after ages bring up your theory. You come up with the WORST and MOST UNLIKELY possible theory for scumbuddies that only makes it seem like you're not reading the thread. Ghor have been sharper with his comments on me then anyone else in the thread. And additionally I am just about the most active player in the game.
The only possible explanations are you're scum or a townie who's not putting in any time in the game. But then why haven't you come clean and admitted you haven't given a shit about the game because that is the only other possible explanation I might had believed. But even with that your egging on posts doesn't make sense. This does indeed look like pushing to me. Don't know what you consider pushing though.
LM is actively talking back against hopeless' arguments and even going through risk's filter to bring up arguments in risk's favor.
I don't see scum doing that to each other and posting information in a townie's favor, and if they did, they should get a medal for the acting, still makes me think they can't have the same alignment (if one is scum).
I stick to the opinion. He was inactive to the point of getting warned multiple times and doesn't seem to really give a fuck about figuring out scum, only about lynching people with few reasoning and prior investigation.
Cheesecake, what do you think of RoL-CC scumteam?
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^ I stick to the opinion about RoL
##Vote RoL
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CC quotes regarding RoL
I also find it interesting that he gives RoL a townie read.
@lazer: you had a scumread on RoL and are now voting with him? trollololol?
HOPELESS
Do you not think Ghor is scum still? You said you were 'less convinced' but I don't recall anything recently regarding Ghor. You seem to arise the minute RoL comes in and vote him for doing a stupid VE vote.
Okay the problem here is that If RoL were scum Idk if he'd kill VE.
Except Lazer wasn't lynchbait, RoL was the lynchbait. RoL gave Lazer a strong-as-hell townie read which is just begging for #associations later if they are scumbuddies.
Scumslip? You speak of Rol being the townie, but say it begs for associations that HE gave Lazer a townread, and not the contrary.
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RoL you made a very early case against CC but then proceeded to lurk and ignore him, lately you counted him among your scumreads but at the same time brought up arguments as to why he isn't scum (thread dead when he's being discussed).
Where did your fancy CC read go, and why does your latest post suggest interest into LM?
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Except Lazer wasn't lynchbait, RoL was the lynchbait. RoL gave Lazer a strong-as-hell townie read which is just begging for #associations later if they are scumbuddies.
Scumslip? You speak of Rol being the townie, but say it begs for associations that HE gave Lazer a townread, and not the contrary.
Nevermind this one actually, the sentence confused me a little.
RoL you bring up a pretty good point actually I'm being a little tunneled, should not be rash with my vote, even if you look bad.
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Honestly I'm out of clues. Town played badly, all candidates look scummy, most didn't want to participate, and if CC is scum then he's more active than most of this town and deserves to win.
Curse risk for giving up and not discussing last day and Sylencia for coming back a few minutes after the lynch. This is frustrating.
Hopeless just doesn't do shit except throw in a few one-liners once in a while, and doesn't come in when things matter.
RoL what do you suggest for lynch?
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