I have a question about Serial Poisioner sense I've never seen one before. If you block the kill, say with a medic or jailer, do you have to block it the day it would go out, or the next day when it triggers?
Or take that "love potion" and just put it in the drink of anybody you want. Should not be that hard. After that have fun for the next days and you can convince them to do anything.
How fucking uncreative those guys are is what angers me the most about those books/films.
I think they call this date rape... not creativitiy. I want to policy lynch Gonzaw now...
On March 30 2013 15:15 Frorgon wrote: Thing is, I'm sick of newbie games where half the people don't even play, or just act like scum because they don't know how to contribute. So it's either I try one of the big games or I just stop playing altogether.
Normal minis are the better answer, big games often have some level of lurkfest/spamfest. Often, inexplicably, at the same time.
E: my personal advice would be to play out your newbies, the use of coaches is an incredible asset which you can and should use to its fullest extent before removing yourself from those games. Big games are a big change.
On April 03 2013 13:28 gonzaw wrote: There could be a good "Newbie Q&A" of sorts.
Like, we play an "example" standard game, and newbies all both observe and shadow players (exclusively perhaps) Then when it ends, we have an organized way to discuss specific stuff that happened in the game. Specific plays, specific ways to catch specific people, etc
We have all the newbies post their thoughts about it, or questions, and the "vets" and players post their explanations for it and stuff. Basically make a sort of "transition" game that focuses on giving newbies a more friendly way to analyze games and shit.
...or not, I dunno.
So like a simulation game? You would need very specific people who be okay with playing a predetermined game and have to do it in a way that is easy to understand but doesn't also give it away. Seems a little unlikely.
On April 03 2013 13:03 WaveofShadow wrote: All those newbies who have yet to play their last may as well sign up for Newbie XL right now because this game won't be starting for quite a while.
Huh... I was curious to see how big boys start playing the game... and less then a page's worth of posting totals I see an OMGuS. I feel somewhat surprised; apparently the way newbies open mafia games is the right way?
On April 21 2013 22:38 TheRavensName wrote: Huh... I was curious to see how big boys start playing the game... and less then a page's worth of posting totals I see an OMGuS. I feel somewhat surprised; apparently the way newbies open mafia games is the right way?
PS: Bill Murray yelling indoors is really mean.
Oooo, an omgus, interesting. Are you okay with the way Oats is playing the game?
I'm not a 100% sure what hes doing, but if you want to call it playing then... maybe? Truth be told the fact that palmer just randomly takes offense to a baseless acucsation in a game that just started doesn't make a lot of since to me.
On April 21 2013 22:38 TheRavensName wrote: Huh... I was curious to see how big boys start playing the game... and less then a page's worth of posting totals I see an OMGuS. I feel somewhat surprised; apparently the way newbies open mafia games is the right way?
PS: Bill Murray yelling indoors is really mean.
Oooo, an omgus, interesting. Are you okay with the way Oats is playing the game?
I'm not a 100% sure what hes doing, but if you want to call it playing then... maybe? Truth be told the fact that palmer just randomly takes offense to a baseless acucsation in a game that just started doesn't make a lot of since to me.
He's asking for a base to the accusation, precisely. Do you have any ideas to get some discussion started? Your entrance kinda looked like you tried to downplay what's going on in the thread, which in turn makes me think you're trying to communicate reasons for not doing anything. Do you think this description fits your play or did your posts have other purposes?
I thought it just genuinely showed disapointment. I've always had difficulty understand what to do at the start of day 1, and I see that there really is no good way to start day 1 in a purely productive way. So I suppose your right, I'm trying to downplay what happens because it doesn't seem productive, unless of course we need to know why Yamato has many weapons that arn' t guns.....
And I think its more suspicious to ask in that way rather than, just ask.... seeing as how he didn't even vote baselessly or hasn't made an ssue out of it yet. If we went after everyone who accused someone day 1 just kinda in passing, we'd never get anything resembling a case or something.
On April 21 2013 22:38 TheRavensName wrote: Huh... I was curious to see how big boys start playing the game... and less then a page's worth of posting totals I see an OMGuS. I feel somewhat surprised; apparently the way newbies open mafia games is the right way?
PS: Bill Murray yelling indoors is really mean.
Oooo, an omgus, interesting. Are you okay with the way Oats is playing the game?
I'm not a 100% sure what hes doing, but if you want to call it playing then... maybe? Truth be told the fact that palmer just randomly takes offense to a baseless acucsation in a game that just started doesn't make a lot of since to me.
He's asking for a base to the accusation, precisely. Do you have any ideas to get some discussion started? Your entrance kinda looked like you tried to downplay what's going on in the thread, which in turn makes me think you're trying to communicate reasons for not doing anything. Do you think this description fits your play or did your posts have other purposes?
I thought it just genuinely showed disapointment. I've always had difficulty understand what to do at the start of day 1, and I see that there really is no good way to start day 1 in a purely productive way. So I suppose your right, I'm trying to downplay what happens because it doesn't seem productive, unless of course we need to know why Yamato has many weapons that arn' t guns.....
And I think its more suspicious to ask in that way rather than, just ask.... seeing as how he didn't even vote baselessly or hasn't made an ssue out of it yet. If we went after everyone who accused someone day 1 just kinda in passing, we'd never get anything resembling a case or something.
I don't think Oats would answer even if Palmar just asked, cause Oats rather seems to be trolling and careless about getting something productive out of this day. P said he would vote for him until he heard a proper motivation from Oats to call him scum, nothing followed, so Oats seems to oppose discussion and doesn't want to show his townieness through cooperation.
The question is: How do we handle people who don't want to cooperate? Do we threaten Oats with a lynch? Do we ask him nicely to play like someone that puts thought into his posts?
/shrug And what will we get out of threatening him at all? What does either lynching him for not liking a posted policy(? (Thats what that was right?)) or becase he just decided to troll actually accomplish (I think this one is more likely)? These are literaly the only responses he could make (That make any logical since and any others should count as trolling really) and I just don't see how either could prove guilt or innocense. But if you feel so strong on making him talk, why arn't you voting for him since apparently one vote isn't going to cut it?
On April 21 2013 22:38 TheRavensName wrote: Huh... I was curious to see how big boys start playing the game... and less then a page's worth of posting totals I see an OMGuS. I feel somewhat surprised; apparently the way newbies open mafia games is the right way?
PS: Bill Murray yelling indoors is really mean.
Oooo, an omgus, interesting. Are you okay with the way Oats is playing the game?
I'm not a 100% sure what hes doing, but if you want to call it playing then... maybe? Truth be told the fact that palmer just randomly takes offense to a baseless acucsation in a game that just started doesn't make a lot of since to me.
He's asking for a base to the accusation, precisely. Do you have any ideas to get some discussion started? Your entrance kinda looked like you tried to downplay what's going on in the thread, which in turn makes me think you're trying to communicate reasons for not doing anything. Do you think this description fits your play or did your posts have other purposes?
I thought it just genuinely showed disapointment. I've always had difficulty understand what to do at the start of day 1, and I see that there really is no good way to start day 1 in a purely productive way. So I suppose your right, I'm trying to downplay what happens because it doesn't seem productive, unless of course we need to know why Yamato has many weapons that arn' t guns.....
And I think its more suspicious to ask in that way rather than, just ask.... seeing as how he didn't even vote baselessly or hasn't made an ssue out of it yet. If we went after everyone who accused someone day 1 just kinda in passing, we'd never get anything resembling a case or something.
I don't think Oats would answer even if Palmar just asked, cause Oats rather seems to be trolling and careless about getting something productive out of this day. P said he would vote for him until he heard a proper motivation from Oats to call him scum, nothing followed, so Oats seems to oppose discussion and doesn't want to show his townieness through cooperation.
The question is: How do we handle people who don't want to cooperate? Do we threaten Oats with a lynch? Do we ask him nicely to play like someone that puts thought into his posts?
/shrug And what will we get out of threatening him at all? What does either lynching him for not liking a posted policy(? (Thats what that was right?)) or becase he just decided to troll actually accomplish (I think this one is more likely)? These are literaly the only responses he could make (That make any logical since and any others should count as trolling really) and I just don't see how either could prove guilt or innocense. But if you feel so strong on making him talk, why arn't you voting for him since apparently one vote isn't going to cut it?
How will you handle someone that denies every insight into his thoughts, posting random, baseless accusations, sarcastically admitting he's scum, and whom you won't be able to read?
Would you lynch such a person or not?
Yes... but I wouldn't just jump on them for trolling at the start of the game and making one insight that touched a nerve.
You also didn't answer my question: If your so intent on making him talk, why are you not voting for him yourself?
On April 21 2013 22:38 TheRavensName wrote: Huh... I was curious to see how big boys start playing the game... and less then a page's worth of posting totals I see an OMGuS. I feel somewhat surprised; apparently the way newbies open mafia games is the right way?
PS: Bill Murray yelling indoors is really mean.
Oooo, an omgus, interesting. Are you okay with the way Oats is playing the game?
I'm not a 100% sure what hes doing, but if you want to call it playing then... maybe? Truth be told the fact that palmer just randomly takes offense to a baseless acucsation in a game that just started doesn't make a lot of since to me.
He's asking for a base to the accusation, precisely. Do you have any ideas to get some discussion started? Your entrance kinda looked like you tried to downplay what's going on in the thread, which in turn makes me think you're trying to communicate reasons for not doing anything. Do you think this description fits your play or did your posts have other purposes?
I thought it just genuinely showed disapointment. I've always had difficulty understand what to do at the start of day 1, and I see that there really is no good way to start day 1 in a purely productive way. So I suppose your right, I'm trying to downplay what happens because it doesn't seem productive, unless of course we need to know why Yamato has many weapons that arn' t guns.....
And I think its more suspicious to ask in that way rather than, just ask.... seeing as how he didn't even vote baselessly or hasn't made an ssue out of it yet. If we went after everyone who accused someone day 1 just kinda in passing, we'd never get anything resembling a case or something.
3. You seem confused as to what to do on day 1. I gave a short explanation not long ago on hapa/drh's podcast thingee. The goal of day 1 is to make people fear for their lives, which is precisely what I mean to do with Oats.
On April 22 2013 01:23 kushm4sta wrote: WE knew that's what VE meant because we are town. Scum prob didn't know what he meant. Now you just explained it to them.
Why wouldn't scum know what he meant? They had to do the exact same thing, the only difference is they had a QT in their PM. They still have to look up if they are framer,rber,godfather or whatever. Literally every person has to reference the op for their role, regardless of alignment.
Yes but it would be very difficult for scum to realize that TOWN had to look at the OP as well. Scum would not say "oh shit I had to look at the OP" because they would have no idea if town ALSO had to look at the OP.
Thank you for directing me to the podcast. I ended up listening to it while I did some work and read the thread before having to run off to do some errands. Huge help in making me understand a little bit more. Still not sure I understand how spam is town, but apparently the expliantion is spam is townie... Since basically they said if your really active no one will want to kill you and that seems like good scum motivation too. + Show Spoiler +
On April 22 2013 04:56 Sharrant wrote: @TheRavensName Who would you like to lynch right now?
Could you please link me to any games you have played on TL or elsewhere?
Do you think Oats is more likely scum, or more likely town?
Since I was asked, I have been in the last 3 NMM games in a row, your free to find them yourself (Isn't there a big database of games?) but I don't really think I can read into how I playbecause I ended up playing differently all three games.
I don't know how Oats plays so I dunno if he really just spams that much at the start, so I will ignore that. I like how he points out the thing about Palmer's town read and trying to act like it was super awesome when it didn't do much so yea.... I feel like its a good point and its the only thing of any real substance in his filter. So, I would like to see something that seems more useful; I don't want to make a judgement off of basically one real point repeated a few points.
I would be against lynching Rayn. In one of the Newbie games we played together we were in a similar situation and he took the opportunity to rip through me and just tunnel the entire game, so I think if he was scum this would be unlike him and I feel like I could have been a pretty easy push if he wanted to since he managed to basically do it before off less, even if there are much better people here who could see through it. (Unless he wantsto be my budy. dun dun dun.)
In the same vain, I think Sharrant started out by taking a really easy way out of attacking me right out the gate and then just focuses on me and pushes around till hearing a few people saying that I was at least not scum, and then hops on Rayn without any real expliantion besides that hes going after BM for the miller soft claim and the fact that BM seems to be being useless, but that makes Ray more scummy then BM or someone else when Ray is actually being fairly active?
So based off what I can figure out, I dislike Sharrant. He was convinced I was vote worthy, then hoped off before I got a chance to respond, but doesn't want to make a comment on BM til lBM shows up. Seems sketchy for me, and would probably be my vote target at the moment, but there is plenty of reading to be done and lots of time for more things to read.
On April 22 2013 10:32 TheRavensName wrote: Thank you for directing me to the podcast. I ended up listening to it while I did some work and read the thread before having to run off to do some errands. Huge help in making me understand a little bit more. Still not sure I understand how spam is town, but apparently the expliantion is spam is townie... Since basically they said if your really active no one will want to kill you and that seems like good scum motivation too. + Show Spoiler +
On April 22 2013 04:56 Sharrant wrote: @TheRavensName Who would you like to lynch right now?
Could you please link me to any games you have played on TL or elsewhere?
Do you think Oats is more likely scum, or more likely town?
Since I was asked, I have been in the last 3 NMM games in a row, your free to find them yourself (Isn't there a big database of games?) but I don't really think I can read into how I playbecause I ended up playing differently all three games.
I don't know how Oats plays so I dunno if he really just spams that much at the start, so I will ignore that. I like how he points out the thing about Palmer's town read and trying to act like it was super awesome when it didn't do much so yea.... I feel like its a good point and its the only thing of any real substance in his filter. So, I would like to see something that seems more useful; I don't want to make a judgement off of basically one real point repeated a few points.
I would be against lynching Rayn. In one of the Newbie games we played together we were in a similar situation and he took the opportunity to rip through me and just tunnel the entire game, so I think if he was scum this would be unlike him and I feel like I could have been a pretty easy push if he wanted to since he managed to basically do it before off less, even if there are much better people here who could see through it. (Unless he wantsto be my budy. dun dun dun.)
In the same vain, I think Sharrant started out by taking a really easy way out of attacking me right out the gate and then just focuses on me and pushes around till hearing a few people saying that I was at least not scum, and then hops on Rayn without any real expliantion besides that hes going after BM for the miller soft claim and the fact that BM seems to be being useless, but that makes Ray more scummy then BM or someone else when Ray is actually being fairly active?
So based off what I can figure out, I dislike Sharrant. He was convinced I was vote worthy, then hoped off before I got a chance to respond, but doesn't want to make a comment on BM til lBM shows up. Seems sketchy for me, and would probably be my vote target at the moment, but there is plenty of reading to be done and lots of time for more things to read.
Your sentences are the run-onniest. You're basing your entire read on Rayn on the one game of meta you have with him and how he treated you specifically this game?
Its enough that I like him a little more then everyone else. I am taking it with a grain of salt though. I was under the impression that out of 25 people one should do what they can to try and limit the number just a little bit to a more managable size.
On April 22 2013 10:32 TheRavensName wrote: Thank you for directing me to the podcast. I ended up listening to it while I did some work and read the thread before having to run off to do some errands. Huge help in making me understand a little bit more. Still not sure I understand how spam is town, but apparently the expliantion is spam is townie... Since basically they said if your really active no one will want to kill you and that seems like good scum motivation too. + Show Spoiler +
On April 22 2013 04:56 Sharrant wrote: @TheRavensName Who would you like to lynch right now?
Could you please link me to any games you have played on TL or elsewhere?
Do you think Oats is more likely scum, or more likely town?
Since I was asked, I have been in the last 3 NMM games in a row, your free to find them yourself (Isn't there a big database of games?) but I don't really think I can read into how I playbecause I ended up playing differently all three games.
I don't know how Oats plays so I dunno if he really just spams that much at the start, so I will ignore that. I like how he points out the thing about Palmer's town read and trying to act like it was super awesome when it didn't do much so yea.... I feel like its a good point and its the only thing of any real substance in his filter. So, I would like to see something that seems more useful; I don't want to make a judgement off of basically one real point repeated a few points.
I would be against lynching Rayn. In one of the Newbie games we played together we were in a similar situation and he took the opportunity to rip through me and just tunnel the entire game, so I think if he was scum this would be unlike him and I feel like I could have been a pretty easy push if he wanted to since he managed to basically do it before off less, even if there are much better people here who could see through it. (Unless he wantsto be my budy. dun dun dun.)
In the same vain, I think Sharrant started out by taking a really easy way out of attacking me right out the gate and then just focuses on me and pushes around till hearing a few people saying that I was at least not scum, and then hops on Rayn without any real expliantion besides that hes going after BM for the miller soft claim and the fact that BM seems to be being useless, but that makes Ray more scummy then BM or someone else when Ray is actually being fairly active?
So based off what I can figure out, I dislike Sharrant. He was convinced I was vote worthy, then hoped off before I got a chance to respond, but doesn't want to make a comment on BM til lBM shows up. Seems sketchy for me, and would probably be my vote target at the moment, but there is plenty of reading to be done and lots of time for more things to read.
Your sentences are the run-onniest. You're basing your entire read on Rayn on the one game of meta you have with him and how he treated you specifically this game?
Its enough that I like him a little more then everyone else. I am taking it with a grain of salt though. I was under the impression that out of 25 people one should do what they can to try and limit the number just a little bit to a more managable size.
Considering the size of his filter and the degree to which he has been under scrutiny thus far in the game, no, I don't think that's enough at all. If you read into him even a little bit I think you'd have plenty to go on; your read is lazy imo.
I think he was posting stuff as I was writing that, so I may have missed some things. I don't see much of an opinion on rayn from you, other than that terrible reason to believe your town. + Show Spoiler +
That is a worse meta case then mine xD.
. I used a similiar excuse to not really point at Nobodywonder in the last newbiegame I played where I rolled scum, and basically got away with not having to post a comment on someone I thought would be easy to manipulate, so that makes me question my read a bit.
Looking back at it the Meta defense was pretty terrible, seeing as how in the same game he said that defending noob towns that would flip such was an easy scum tactic and one he had his partner use.... so yay... unsure what to think again.
On April 22 2013 09:28 yamato77 wrote: And then subsequently got aggressive with geript over it like people are SUPPOSED to read that much into my posting, which was intentionally bad.
Why post stuff no one is suppos to read into? Make yourself look more active then you actually are?
WoS you called me lazy, and then attacked my read on Ray. But you haven't really flat out said anything about ray only kinda said he maybe could be scum, and you flat out ignored the chance to make a comment on Sharrent, who also has been the subject of at least a little bit of discussion. This urks me a bit by association.
Sharrent's sudden belief in my green doesn't make sense to me when I read it... why is it because I'm willing to eb suspicious of Rayn put me in the clear? And why was my pressure vote removed before I responded to the pressure? These are very bad factors going for him for me.
I also dislike that WoS seems to be so wishy washy about putting out any reads at all, but willing to accuse people on reads he hasn't handed out yet but sort of acting like he did. So I would like to at least look at WoS or Sharrant;.Wos, could you please post some reads of your own, like ones on Sharrant and Ray seeing as how they seem to want to go at it and you shot only my read on one of them and ignored the other, who you have mostly been ignoring all game (Your logic for voting Geript.)
On April 22 2013 12:46 TheRavensName wrote: Wos, could you please post some reads of your own, like ones on Sharrant and Ray seeing as how they seem to want to go at it and you shot only my read on one of them and ignored the other, who you have mostly been ignoring all game
FoS on WoS seeing as how he has time to make comment that do nothing but not answer questions that would actually force him to post a read on people hes yelling at others for posting a flawed read on.
On April 22 2013 05:20 Sharrant wrote: Noticed this too, I think Sylencia would be a good lynch today as well.
Based on one statement I make which isn't indicative of anything whatsoever makes you think I'm scummy? It's fine if you're accusing me if you have a case but casual accusations with no followups don't sit well with me since it ends up being bait for people to jump on.
On April 22 2013 10:46 TheRavensName wrote: Its enough that I like him a little more then everyone else. I am taking it with a grain of salt though. I was under the impression that out of 25 people one should do what they can to try and limit the number just a little bit to a more managable size.
I'm somewhat doing the same, so I'm wondering how you can see someone as town without looking at the whole picture. I haven't really got any town reads due to this, but the fact you're able to either means you're doing something wrong, or you know something we don't.
- Following from this there's a clear TRN-Sharrant-Rayn argument breaking out, with Sharrant backtracking on past accusations and rayn aggressively defending while accusing Sharrant as well.
Rayn: Pushing for all millers to die (and voting on it) on day 1 honestly doesn't sound like a great plan. It wastes days where there's actually stuff to analyse, it creates a lazy town atmosphere which only helps scum, and with that comes a lot less conversation. You said you thought that BM was scum but what makes him so much more scummy at the time than someone else with low number of posts and providing just words and not content (eg. me)?
On April 22 2013 07:31 raynpelikoneet wrote: I am not trying to "policy lynch" BM. I think BM is scum. Bringing up the miller policy into this discussion adds nothing, because it's irrelevant regarding my reasons for wanting to lynch BM.
This looks so dumb honestly.
Ok, I'm done for now, ##vote rayn at the moment because of the weirdest irregularities in posts.
Sharrant's done that a lot this game.
As for Rayn, I guess I don't know what to think about him right now. It doesn't help the two real people until this oint that have been attacking my town read on him are people I dislike so... there is that. But when I read Rayn's statement about the miller lynch being more of a scummy time to claim then because hes a miller it makes more sense to me, especially when you couple with BM lurked for quite a bit after his claim then coming back and calling it a joke when he comes back and see people were upset with it and it lends itself to the gamble of: "I'm mr Mafia, please don't check me cause I am the miller and don't worry about me guys cause I'm town and you all bought that right?" But that is just my opinion.
Rayn your righyt and I want to apologize, that was jarjar and rainbows who said that. I apparently need to pretend that game never happened because I,m still not sure I know lol. Please don't use this crucify me again all day 1 for it even if its more fitting this time.
On April 23 2013 01:15 Vivax wrote: CC, let's talk a little. Who do we lynch? I do like ShiaoPi as lynch as well, so do we start making cases and stuff or do you think we should stick to a policy?
What policy are you advocating/open to exactly? A lurker lynch or did I miss anoth er policy that wasn't the miller claim one?
On April 23 2013 01:32 Vivax wrote: I'll probably take hopeless out of my scumspects for now. Not every bad idea is necessarily a scum agenda, meh. I do hold in high regard that he actually goes against Rayn, as he's another guy I'd lynch.
On April 23 2013 01:15 Vivax wrote: CC, let's talk a little. Who do we lynch? I do like ShiaoPi as lynch as well, so do we start making cases and stuff or do you think we should stick to a policy?
What policy are you advocating/open to exactly? A lurker lynch or did I miss anoth er policy that wasn't the miller claim one?
Either Drazak for excusing himself out (ask for replacement if you can't play the game), or people showing up late in the day without some damn good contributions. A damn good contribution isn't a huge post with a vote at the end, like RyuSuzaku in The game™, who rolled scum.
Ah I see. And your active scumspect is Ray? My lab is about to start so I can't really glance through all the lurkers right now but personally I would rather lynch someone more scummy and active, so many lurkers that its such a crap shoot on hitting a right one.
On April 23 2013 01:32 Vivax wrote: I'll probably take hopeless out of my scumspects for now. Not every bad idea is necessarily a scum agenda, meh. I do hold in high regard that he actually goes against Rayn, as he's another guy I'd lynch.
On April 23 2013 01:25 TheRavensName wrote:
On April 23 2013 01:15 Vivax wrote: CC, let's talk a little. Who do we lynch? I do like ShiaoPi as lynch as well, so do we start making cases and stuff or do you think we should stick to a policy?
What policy are you advocating/open to exactly? A lurker lynch or did I miss anoth er policy that wasn't the miller claim one?
Either Drazak for excusing himself out (ask for replacement if you can't play the game), or people showing up late in the day without some damn good contributions. A damn good contribution isn't a huge post with a vote at the end, like RyuSuzaku in The game™, who rolled scum.
Ah I see. And your active scumspect is Ray? My lab is about to start so I can't really glance through all the lurkers right now but personally I would rather lynch someone more scummy and active, so many lurkers that its such a crap shoot on hitting a right one.
D1 lynches are often a crapshoot. If you think we shouldn't lynch a lurker, then bring ahead a better option. Mislynching lurkers doesn't hurt town outside of numbers and actually reduces the pool of insecurities, mislynching actives does pretty much always hurt town.
ilurker lynching is, in my mind, too. easy for scum ito hop on aand active scum hurt town so so much if they can actually establish an influence, so I like the gamble. Anyways my lab is starting so I will name smancer and WoS if he doesn't give me a response to my questions AGAIN but I also really hate the 3 useless spamers that have only spammed useless crap and gotten away without even semi analysis and would be good for lynching them over a lurker or if my other two reads convince me they are town
On April 23 2013 08:02 yamato77 wrote: But hey, I'm trying pretty hard to get lynched this game.
Why sign up for a game you don't want to play... and why post things you don't want analyzed? This is an unacceptable attitude for anyone to have for any reason. If you want out so bad just ask for a replacement.... or just don't sign up. Mix with this with all the completly useless spamming and you got enough of a reason to vote you over anyone else.
I'm totally a bad lynch, and you'll save yourselves the moaning and groaning about my play this game if you just lynch mafia instead of me.
Actually I would say if we lynched you we wouldn't have to worry about your play at all. Does that men if VE gets lynched your actually going to try or is this something were only going to get out of you every time your in danger? (Still suspicious of the sudden burst of activity and serriousness by the way)
On April 23 2013 09:11 WaveofShadow wrote: Anyway to sum it up, I'm more sure of an Oats lynch than yamato; a lot of conflicted things going on with him that I just can't be sure of.
On April 23 2013 08:46 WaveofShadow wrote: Why yall gotta ignore my post.
Why you gotta ignore my questions for you?
Because you're obviously town and obviously searching in the wrong places. I'll indulge though because I know what it was like in my first big game; I see much of myself in you, young padawan.
If you'd actually read my filter, you calling me wishy-washy doesn't make sense at all. I've had definite reads all game; just because I haven't voted anyone yet or had a very strong scumread doesn't make me scum. I don't have to post massive cases on people to be scumhunting. Those will come later.
Wouldn't this just lead me futher down the wrong path by letting my suspicions of you fester until they reach a boiling point?
Huh, in my mind Oats, Yamato, and VE were all about even in terms of trolling, and then Yamato at least pretended ot be useful... and oats is just going to keep... acting like this. At least VE is trying to push a case of some kind.,
PS: If you didn't random number generate that vote it doesn't counter Oats.
On April 23 2013 09:11 WaveofShadow wrote: Anyway to sum it up, I'm more sure of an Oats lynch than yamato; a lot of conflicted things going on with him that I just can't be sure of.
Now,
On April 23 2013 08:49 TheRavensName wrote:
On April 23 2013 08:46 WaveofShadow wrote: Why yall gotta ignore my post.
Why you gotta ignore my questions for you?
Because you're obviously town and obviously searching in the wrong places. I'll indulge though because I know what it was like in my first big game; I see much of myself in you, young padawan.
If you'd actually read my filter, you calling me wishy-washy doesn't make sense at all. I've had definite reads all game; just because I haven't voted anyone yet or had a very strong scumread doesn't make me scum. I don't have to post massive cases on people to be scumhunting. Those will come later.
Wouldn't this just lead me futher down the wrong path by letting my suspicions of you fester until they reach a boiling point?
Yes, but stuff like that is bound to happen anyway when dealing with newer players. I'm sorry to say it but the fact remains that unless you are exceptional, in a game like this with a lot of veteran players your (and sometimes my) voice is unlikely to be heard when following one line of suspicion to the bitter end. Essentially I know what to expect from you and I'm not worried about your suspicion of me due to the player interaction in this game. This isn't a jab at you or your skill. I'm more worried about Vivax's line of thinking derailing the thread than yours.
I dislike that Your saying I called you wishy washy, and you still didn't answer my question as to why you attacked my read on Ray and not my scum opinion and STILL didn't answer it. Your right that my opinion most likely won't get any traction, seeing as how my musings were completly ignored but I still wanted to put them out there and I wish you would have at least responded to what I asked you, instead of just giving me a crappy answer about why you don't answer.
On April 23 2013 09:11 WaveofShadow wrote: Anyway to sum it up, I'm more sure of an Oats lynch than yamato; a lot of conflicted things going on with him that I just can't be sure of.
Now,
On April 23 2013 08:49 TheRavensName wrote:
On April 23 2013 08:46 WaveofShadow wrote: Why yall gotta ignore my post.
Why you gotta ignore my questions for you?
Because you're obviously town and obviously searching in the wrong places. I'll indulge though because I know what it was like in my first big game; I see much of myself in you, young padawan.
If you'd actually read my filter, you calling me wishy-washy doesn't make sense at all. I've had definite reads all game; just because I haven't voted anyone yet or had a very strong scumread doesn't make me scum. I don't have to post massive cases on people to be scumhunting. Those will come later.
Wouldn't this just lead me futher down the wrong path by letting my suspicions of you fester until they reach a boiling point?
Yes, but stuff like that is bound to happen anyway when dealing with newer players. I'm sorry to say it but the fact remains that unless you are exceptional, in a game like this with a lot of veteran players your (and sometimes my) voice is unlikely to be heard when following one line of suspicion to the bitter end. Essentially I know what to expect from you and I'm not worried about your suspicion of me due to the player interaction in this game. This isn't a jab at you or your skill. I'm more worried about Vivax's line of thinking derailing the thread than yours.
I dislike that Your saying I called you wishy washy
Clarification on this part because I did actually call him wishy washy, I mean more that it means you actually did read those post, you either looked at them or remember to referance them, but ignored the rest of them and that makes me rather upset.
On April 23 2013 10:17 Bill Murray wrote: check out "drazak" he has already come out with an excuse, and he has made, from what I can tell, 2 one liners. He was around for 45 minutes, but only read 2 pages? Seems like he had to catch up on a scum quicktime/topic/whatever it's called by that timeframe
I always vote people when they come back saying that. Sure, he might not feel well, but his thread image was in no way suffering. Why the excuses? Lurkerish behavior + that time frame fits mafia needs...
##vote: drazak
This is a good point... considering there are plenty of other people who haven't even posted yet, if he just showed up late day 1 he probably would have been better off.
Oats: Why not read so many peoples posts? What if they bring up points that help you flesh out your scum reads or point out something you can run with?
On April 23 2013 21:22 Vivax wrote: Me and ace are basically the only ones asking people to switch to Oats, others say "can do", others say it looks like a policy, or try to push other cases.
If this was a wagon on a townie, scum could be pushing it easily at this point. Why didn't any of this happen yet? There's resistance here.
Again, worst reasoning ever. Cause im town. Yeah.
Hopeless. Why am I scum?
don't even care if you're scum. throwing suspicion on your emperor should be punishable by death.
I'm not sure why Clarity's case is being called completly random.... I mean Ray, Sharrant, and I both ended up making cases on each other that were mostly ignored in all the spamfest, so I think it has at least some merrit if nothing else. Not much came of them but it did happen. I would have saved it till night though personally Clarity, I'm not sure your going to convince people that lynching one of the more active spammers is better then someone who at least a few people have a town read on.You really should make a comment on the current lynch targets instead.
On April 23 2013 21:22 Vivax wrote: Me and ace are basically the only ones asking people to switch to Oats, others say "can do", others say it looks like a policy, or try to push other cases.
If this was a wagon on a townie, scum could be pushing it easily at this point. Why didn't any of this happen yet? There's resistance here.
On April 23 2013 22:36 Vivax wrote: Whatever, you're at L-1, dead. If you're town you shouldn't jumping around hysterically, but tell us who we should look at after your flip.
TRN, if you want to have yamato lynched instead of Oats, it's not my job to find arguments for you. I'd want to have Oats lynched first.
No, its your job to convince me that Oat's style is worse than Yamato when they have basically done the same thing, except Oats has kept trolling and Yamato changed to save himself and has for the most part vanished after the focus shifted to Oats.
On April 23 2013 22:36 Vivax wrote: Whatever, you're at L-1, dead. If you're town you shouldn't jumping around hysterically, but tell us who we should look at after your flip.
TRN, if you want to have yamato lynched instead of Oats, it's not my job to find arguments for you. I'd want to have Oats lynched first.
No, its your job to convince me that Oat's style is worse than Yamato when they have basically done the same thing, except Oats has kept trolling and Yamato changed to save himself and has for the most part vanished after the focus shifted to Oats.
Don't worry, if no one vigs him tonight, there will be plenty of opportunity tomorrow to take care of yamato. It's not unlikely at all that they're both scum, given that yamato seemed to work against Oats' lynch when he claimed to have him as scum earlier.
I like the bolded part quite a bit as evidence agaist Yamato. Oats doesn't seem to care too much about if Yamato would die, And also:
On March 22 2013 20:48 Blazinghand wrote:
Remus Lupin (Vigilante):You may not shoot during Night 1.
Off to class, won't get back in time to post for a while: But I will say I'm not sure oats is scum... but do you think he could have rolled 3rd party and Yam was just trying to distance himself from what he thought would be a mislynch thinking he was town?
Oh look, WoS asking questions and then doing nothing with them again. You have no analysis of anyone that isn't "But I'll wait to see what happens before I do anything with it." Which isn't really scum hunting, its more like pretending to be scum hunting and giving you an excuse not to follow up on. Someone look at his filter, and see most of the people he makes any accusation or comment on are: I guess he could be this but I'm hesittant and not really sure. Did you actually make any reads your willing to stand by? You call Sharant a couple of times in after the whole exchange me and Ray had with him, but you never actually state why you think hes town or even say it unless its in response to people making case against him. It almost seems like you want to protect him and then just not have any flat out reasons that can be analyzed and no real analysis of a connection between the two of you if one of you died.
At the very least, I would like to see you explain your town read on him since all you have said so far is "I have a super strong town read on him." and not actually went into WHY you have a town read on him
On April 24 2013 08:05 TheRavensName wrote: Oh look, WoS asking questions and then doing nothing with them again. You have no analysis of anyone that isn't "But I'll wait to see what happens before I do anything with it." Which isn't really scum hunting, its more like pretending to be scum hunting and giving you an excuse not to follow up on. Someone look at his filter, and see most of the people he makes any accusation or comment on are: I guess he could be this but I'm hesittant and not really sure. Did you actually make any reads your willing to stand by? You call Sharant a couple of times in after the whole exchange me and Ray had with him, but you never actually state why you think hes town or even say it unless its in response to people making case against him. It almost seems like you want to protect him and then just not have any flat out reasons that can be analyzed and no real analysis of a connection between the two of you if one of you died.
At the very least, I would like to see you explain your town read on him since all you have said so far is "I have a super strong town read on him." and not actually went into WHY you have a town read on him
Adding to this, most of WoS posts about Sharrant also come after Sharrant posted something and he is trying to explain something to him or back it up, or someone just accused Sharrant of something.
On April 24 2013 10:51 raynpelikoneet wrote: The problem is that you have a shitton of questions in your filter and none of them seem to lead you into any kind of a conclusion. I have gone though your filter for two times now to understand what are you trying to do in this game (how your posting = you trying to find scum) and i don't just see it.
This sumerizes what I was trying to say on the previous page.
On April 24 2013 11:23 raynpelikoneet wrote: I would like to see what Sharrant contributes next when he comes back. I think he is town atm. Do you think Clarity's case was well thought out? I think he only pointed out the facts that speak against Sharrant from his filter and left Sharrant's real contributions out.
So your thinking one scum buddied him up the other is going after him? That could be but.. I feel like Clarity's entrance doesn't make sense from a scum point, and attacking him was really easy to do for scum, enough that it should at least be looked at.
WoS In the face of accusation just says they are dumb, does nothing to prevent them because he says we are not threats and there isno way he has to waste his time because we can't draw enough of a crowd... is this really a town mentality?
On April 24 2013 17:32 yamato77 wrote: He was after TRN, which he later dropped, and rightly so. His case was meh, but his conclusion that TRN was likely town is not one I would see a mafia in Sharrant's position make.
Why did he drop the case? He pushed me a little bit then voted, and then dropped it before I could even respond and once he saw a bunch of people go: "Eh I think hes just a noob." He never even made a comment on my response and Shaopi correctly points out curiously why he never followed up on me and he gives no real expliantion as to why I'm suddenly town outside of not fully trusting Rayn, which I'm not sure is the best evidence in all actuality.
Also I'm just curious because truth be told, I dislike WoS right now a lot more then I dislike Sharrant... do you think some of the points me and Rayn brought up before on shar make sense? He has a four page filter and a similar contribution level as yourself Yamato, which is impressive considering you spent the first half of the game trolling.
On April 24 2013 20:42 TheRavensName wrote: Also I'm just curious because truth be told, I dislike WoS right now a lot more then I dislike Sharrant... do you think some of the points me and Rayn brought up before on shar make sense? He has a four page filter and a similar contribution level as yourself Yamato, which is impressive considering you spent the first half of the game trolling.
Rayn I'm not sure I understand. Why did Sharant go from being a scum target for you to instant town? Seeing as how I'm not as sure on my read outside of a town leniancy on Sharant, can you explain and convert me to your belief?
As for you Geript: I like your case, I think it has marret but I think you should strike out the observer thing. I mean you've played with me before in a game where the town way I played was a style that was very observry and just trying to add things onto cases I liked; I think points as much to either just a normal person or a blue as it does a red. Plus, even if it were scum indicative, I don't think hes the worse offender of playing this way. That might be Ace.
A point I would like to add to the case against Sylencia if he was going after Ray for being a lier and changing the meaning of his words, you could make just as much of an arguement that BM did the same thing and left himself a way to back out of the miller claim if it didn't work out. So you know, I find it rather odd he only went after Ray for doing that. But that is just me.
The Vivax shot I don't think was a blue snipe. I found his flip to be a surprise, and from what I can see in his filter (read me trying to search for a bunch of code words that pop in my head, and taking a look through his first dozen posts for any of the usual hidden code tricks.) he doesn't seem to breadcrumb (Or at least none that I can see but then they are probably pretty good breadcrumbs .)
That is not to say shooting him doesn't make sense. He seems to be on everyones super confirmed town lists, its a pretty good idea as town to get those out of the way. Finding out he was a blue is just a bonus. Clarity is of course the victim of the Wine of today.
On April 25 2013 04:49 TheRavensName wrote: The Vivax shot I don't think was a blue snipe. I found his flip to be a surprise, and from what I can see in his filter (read me trying to search for a bunch of code words that pop in my head, and taking a look through his first dozen posts for any of the usual hidden code tricks.) he doesn't seem to breadcrumb (Or at least none that I can see but then they are probably pretty good breadcrumbs .)
That is not to say shooting him doesn't make sense. He seems to be on everyones super confirmed town lists, its a pretty good idea as town to get those out of the way. Finding out he was a blue is just a bonus. Clarity is of course the victim of the Wine of today.
There is also the possibility like I said that Vivax' mason partner was scum. That way, scum would know that he's blue. I just can't wrap my head around a N1 Vivax kill. No offense to him, but there's plenty of scarier players in the game that can scumhunt better than him.
Hmm, thanks for ruining it guys. I was going to be happy if my super secret ninja doubts about Vivax just trailing us around on a train and Palmer just being king palmer and unable to be scum were true, now I can't be sure of that second one Time to spend much time trying to figure out if he was jailed or just role blocked.
On April 25 2013 06:12 TheRavensName wrote: Hmm, thanks for ruining it guys. I was going to be happy if my super secret ninja doubts about Vivax just trailing us around on a train and Palmer just being king palmer and unable to be scum were true, now I can't be sure of that second one Time to spend much time trying to figure out if he was jailed or just role blocked.
Disregard this, I thought JOAT could Roleblock insted of role check, so I guess I gotta try and figure out if he was scum jailed or town jailed.
On April 25 2013 06:16 Mr. Cheesecake wrote: Scum wouldnt jail their own dude n1 imo. so either scum jailed town palmar and double stacked vivax, or town jailed town palmar defensively OR town jailed scum palmar and they still double stack vivax.
Im more inclined to think palmar was jailed defensively.
OR town jailer jailed palmer and they still just double stacked vivax.
On April 25 2013 06:19 VisceraEyes wrote: Oh yeah nevermind - I thought you were basing that off his speculative post - forgot that he claimed RB.
I still find it more likely that he was not shot, but frankly not enough to call him scum for injecting that idea in the thread. He's simply not on it enough and he's targetting a townie - I can't see scum shooting him in this situation. But whatever, that's conjecture.
Well if him and Vivax both died, that would have been two people who dislike you off... so I mean, it makes sense to have wanted him shot if they wanted to either frame or save you. Depends on how its pushed I guess.
On April 28 2013 06:35 BloodyC0bbler wrote: Mafia down to 1 kp for factional kp no?
Also TRN, stutters and sylencia would make good checks/vig targets.
So why shoot me? Remember the modkilled scum tried to look active and kill me, and if you looked you would know I can't be scum.
My question: Why has no one really addressed WoS yet? he just claimed self aware miller but didn't counter claim before, and looked through the thread again Everyone has said WoS is scummy and yet no one except a very few amount of us have even tried to make a case against him.
On April 28 2013 06:35 BloodyC0bbler wrote: Mafia down to 1 kp for factional kp no?
Also TRN, stutters and sylencia would make good checks/vig targets.
So why shoot me? Remember the modkilled scum tried to look active and kill me, and if you looked you would know I can't be scum.
My question: Why has no one really addressed WoS yet? he just claimed self aware miller but didn't counter claim before, and looked through the thread again Everyone has said WoS is scummy and yet no one except a very few amount of us have even tried to make a case against him.
TRN looks terrible for this Is he not reading? I just said the exact bolded
But it hasn't been a subject of real thread discussion which is what I mean. Your falling in where I said hes been mentioned but nothing has really been done about it. i mean technically Ray and I were pushing him too for quite a bit and nothing has happened.
On April 28 2013 11:12 raynpelikoneet wrote: Holy shit, i just figured out something. Something that is very clever play from mafia if i am right. But whether or not i'm right or wrong we all need to agree that WoS needs to be shot tonight. Does anyone figure out what do i meaning?
On April 29 2013 05:34 Sharrant wrote: Oops, it's in my long post but I think I forgot to post it in the thread yet.
I think TRN is a good cop check tonight. No framer anymore (unless scum have two), least likely person to be Godfather. Gives me the heebie jeebies (it's in the long post that will be up soon). Really seems to be just sort of skating by at this point.
I've been tryin to catch up and make reads its just... a lot more then I expected and I'm still trying to process day 2. In order to save you the effort of the cop check though, I'm going to post this and just hope I live through the night. I've been focusing on palmar and WoS, but I will post something most people can't read off of palmar. Maybe it will help, maybe it won't but still.
Its near the end of Night 2, I haven't been vey active and i may get shot by someone in this game. Especially Palmar will if hes actually 3P. So I'm going to do something incredibly foolish. My name is Cedric Diggory.
On April 28 2013 07:54 raynpelikoneet wrote: Why Palmar is third faction: I think Palmar is right about VE. He can't however push VE lynch hard, because if he did, and VE flipped scum, he would get shot. Why i think Palmar is not mafia is this. He said VE was his #1 lynch candidate in D2. He also said ShiaoPi is town, and Clarity is scum. If Palmar was mafia he would either not say ShiaoPi is town, or he would be pushing VE hard over Clarity. He did neither. If he was town however, he would have done at least something other than just call VE scum whole D2 and troll throughout the game. I don't see him being town either.
I would like to add to this thing Rayn pointed out. i have been basically stuck trying to reread and catchup for a while butthis is the start of a lynch I can get behind. The start of Day 1, Palmar was pretty cool with me and seemed like he wanted to help me out, so i wanted to mason with him, maybe get some advice and figure out if he was just using me for easy towncred or was just being nice Turns out I'm more wiling to lean he was just milking it for whatever towncred he may have ogtten, because I asked him for some advice and he just ignored it. Not even a "It aint my job to teach you" type of response.. The masoning didn't tell me much, the QT is basically empty. I wanted to talk to him about WoS and because I wasn't really sold on VE as scum yet, I wanted him to convince me on Ve and I wanted to talk to him about WoS, with the response I got being "Well... I dunno about WoS, haven't been paying attention." A townie player would have at least tried to talk me into voting VE over WoS, but I think hes like WoS and just assuming I can't be a threat to him, because I'm a nobody no one will listen to. Yet now he all of a sudden thinks WoS was scummy with literally NO explination. But hes buddying up with Ray real good for some reason or another, and I think as a third party he could do it pretty safely.
He also mentioned that "oh oats was always gonna flip town. I didn't really care much for reasons best left unexplained. " Even a scum would at least kind of care right?
On April 29 2013 05:53 raynpelikoneet wrote: TRN can you post the logs?
I was told that is against the rules.
How many posts did Palmar make?
Can you please paraphrase as best you can as to his actual respones, with as little as bias as possible.
The Qt was only 9 posts, 3 from him. One saying he didn't want to really look into WoS because he didn't care about him and hadn't been paying attention so I should just vote VE, the one on Oats, and the first post him asking why I masoned him, which I didn't want to reveal why I did because I wanted to see if he would be same old helpful palmar without me saying I wanted to see if he would be.
On April 25 2013 04:21 TheRavensName wrote: Huh... and Cedric's flavortext lives up to its reputation.
That makes sense as to why this post stood out like a sore thumb to me.
I tried a few imes to breadcrumb. That one just looked the best. Truth be told, I think the host should have written his text different. Hes the only one that is by his name, not his character. Kinda soft confirms another cedric.
I suppose my number one person I would like to look at is Yamato, I dislike that he trolled at the start and got serrious when he was about to die. He tried to distance himself from the first lynched, and stated multiple times that he felt clarity had done nonthing alignment indicative and would be a bad lynch. He even voed Shiao when he thought both Shiao and Clarit were bad lynches, and strangely wanted to vote Shiao over Clarity, then goes on to say he never defended clarity, when constnatly saying nothing he is doing is really alignment indicative is soft defending him.
On April 29 2013 08:33 TheRavensName wrote: I suppose my number one person I would like to look at is Yamato, I dislike that he trolled at the start and got serrious when he was about to die. He tried to distance himself from the first lynched, and stated multiple times that he felt clarity had done nonthing alignment indicative and would be a bad lynch. He even voed Shiao when he thought both Shiao and Clarit were bad lynches, and strangely wanted to vote Shiao over Clarity, then goes on to say he never defended clarity, when constnatly saying nothing he is doing is really alignment indicative is soft defending him.
hush.
All your musings are irrelevant now. Later they might have value, but now you must choose.
Me, or the cobbler Good, or evil.
i think Cobbler could be scum and you are a SK. We killed the scum Vigi and they only have 1 kill power yet 2 people died.
On April 29 2013 08:33 TheRavensName wrote: I suppose my number one person I would like to look at is Yamato, I dislike that he trolled at the start and got serrious when he was about to die. He tried to distance himself from the first lynched, and stated multiple times that he felt clarity had done nonthing alignment indicative and would be a bad lynch. He even voed Shiao when he thought both Shiao and Clarit were bad lynches, and strangely wanted to vote Shiao over Clarity, then goes on to say he never defended clarity, when constnatly saying nothing he is doing is really alignment indicative is soft defending him.
hush.
All your musings are irrelevant now. Later they might have value, but now you must choose.
Me, or the cobbler Good, or evil.
i think Cobbler could be scum and you are a SK. We killed the scum Vigi and they only have 1 kill power yet 2 people died.
If you think that, surely you should be willing to join my legion of just and honest men. You can always kill me later, right?
But I could kill you and then feast on some cobbler to celebrate.
On April 29 2013 08:45 BloodyC0bbler wrote: Palmar, pushing lynches on townies since the beginning of his mafia career. Bring a case Palmar. Til then you are not worth my time.
Oh there will be a case. But first I need allies. So far I have Artanis[xp].
Rohan needs a little proof before it rides to Gondor.
On April 29 2013 08:45 BloodyC0bbler wrote: Palmar, pushing lynches on townies since the beginning of his mafia career. Bring a case Palmar. Til then you are not worth my time.
Oh there will be a case. But first I need allies. So far I have Artanis[xp].
Rohan needs a little proof before it rides to Gondor.
On April 29 2013 08:45 BloodyC0bbler wrote: Palmar, pushing lynches on townies since the beginning of his mafia career. Bring a case Palmar. Til then you are not worth my time.
Oh there will be a case. But first I need allies. So far I have Artanis[xp].
If you need allies you aren't intending on making a real case. You are intending one of said allies does the work for you, I flip town, and you blame them. Come on Palmar. If you thought I was mafia and you town you would have already begun making said case. Instead you are pestering people to see if you have enough people already willing to vote for me to avoid having to do any work.
The more you keep going on this charade of "finding people" the more confirmed you are as not town.
Your annoyance I could foresee, you did not expect to have to deal with this today.
You say I am not town, well let us fight then, to the death.
BloodyC0bbler
I hereby challenge you to a duel to the death. We will fight today, from sunrise to sunset. The field of honour will be this very thread.
The ammunition, our words, the weapons their votes.
One will walk, one will hang.
Your move.
funny as a role like this was in my setup for CC
Wasn't there a mafia game where one would challenge another and you had to choose between both of them or else?
On April 29 2013 09:09 Ace wrote: doesn't ring a bell, what is the "or else"?
If I recall one perosn could type /duel with another one, and whoever got the majority vote died. If no majority was made before the end of the day, they were both lynched. Yamato was in it I think.
On April 29 2013 10:09 WaveofShadow wrote: HAHA oh man. This is awesome. Except which cop are you? I'm going to assume alignment since you wouldn't have a parity check yet since you were blocked N1. Now if you're alignment cop a guilty check doesn't mean shit yet since you could be any sanity.
Man I wish I could believe you though since I have a hard time believing we'd have more than two millers on town just in case he tried to claim. Wat do?
I'm professor trelawney, who was known to be perfectly sane and such.
On April 29 2013 10:15 WaveofShadow wrote: Palmar honestly, wtf. What is your goal here? Do you honestly expect people to follow along with you when you riled everyone up and promised some epic war with epic words and arguments, and then deliver this?
It's like we just had sex for the first time and I left disappointed because you only lasted 8 seconds.
On April 29 2013 10:20 Palmar wrote: as in, I would have posted reads and everything, but kept my role back.
the closest thing I left as a crumb is the "reasons best left unexplained" about my apathy towards the oats lynch. Who I thought was pretty likely to flip town by the end of the day (my early suspicions on him were genuine).
I'm not sure how that was a crumb. If he had been lynched after you could have checked him, sure. But still man...
On April 29 2013 10:29 WaveofShadow wrote: Are we sure it's Sylencia? I think it could still be Shiao and certainly either of them being mafia would fit with the whole 'useless scumteam' thing we've got going on here.
God this post seems funny to me, but I'm willing to believe we have 2 millers, if we have 2 cops.
On April 29 2013 10:31 Ace wrote: no, we aren't lynching syl. There is stupidity going on right now.
CC - I dont know why you checked Shiao Night 1. That is a major stretch that you check him, he gets brought up, temp cleared, and then you check sylencia. thats 2 lurkers who have no impact on the game that you checked. not buying it. especially since you just claimed, without counter claiming Palmar. If you believe Palmar is a Cop there is no point in claiming right now as you'd let BC die with your vote. If you dont believe him, you vote him off. Claiming right now to add another suspect in the pool is nonsense. its not even been an hour since your case on sylencia - you could have pushed it ot let it marinate more. Your urgency shows little thinking here.
Lastly, you also can not confirm your check. Shiao hasn't flipped. We've got 2 Cops, both unconfirmed claiming results on the same day within an hour of each other. Both that also appeared on the infamous Oats wagon analysis.
bullshit. one of you is definitely lying and both of you made a bad play here.
lol Ace
we ARE lynching sylencia. absolute worst case scenario is CC is scum and we lynch townies for 2 days before lynching or vigging CC in return, leaving us with plenty of townies and like 2 mafia left. something like 11 townies maybe?
You're crazy if you don't lynch sylencia.
I agree with this. If we lynch Syl, we can lynch CC if it goes badly, The modkill bought us an extra day safely.
On April 29 2013 11:25 ObviousOne wrote: @CC you have a town read on Yamato at this point?
Pretty much. Sucks, but I do.
OO why did you want to lynch someone you knew was town T.T
I knew he was town? At that point? No.
I'm looking at my chart here which is why I'm asking.
TRN is a good lynch today IMO. He's only ever voted Yamato, basically fucked off all of D2 to the point that he didn't even vote, and his engagement with other players at this point is near nil.
i didn't want to vote thirty or so pages behind and then by the time I finished reading the day had ended, so that was the end of that. Remember the modkilled scummer tried to use his last sprouts of activity to kill me. And I have no reaso n to claim miller, especially if I'm going to be under such scrutiney for it when a town miller already flipped.
Are you saying I'm a better lynch then varifying ANY of our three cops?
If we lynch Sylencia, we can varify both the read of our parity cop AND our one cop that has done at least 2 checks. Thats so much information and we need it.
On April 29 2013 12:31 Sylencia wrote: In any case before you guys rush things let me catch up before quick lynching, since that's literally the worst thing you could do right now
Wel no, lynching the people on the verge of being modkilled could be worse.
On April 29 2013 15:56 Blazinghand wrote: ~~~ Vote Count ~~~
Yamato77 (1): BC Sylencia (11): Mr.CC, Palmar, Sharrant, Yamato77, GiygaS, Ace, BM, VE, OO, Getmoript, TRN ShiaoPi (1): WoS
Remember, this Day ends when a majority is reached. As soon as a majority is reached, please stop posting until the Night Post has been posted. Only votes in the voting thread will be counted! The voting thread can be found here: (link)
Please keep in mind that with 20 alive it now only takes 11 votes to lynch! If there are any mistakes in the vote count, please inform us.
On April 30 2013 03:16 Stutters695 wrote: As I've said, I'm in the midst of finals and replacing in was really a mistake. Yet despite that, in my minute filter I've already said more than Shiao. Haven't really looked at giggles.
I'm not sure how I feel about this quote. Stutters calling GiygaS "giggles" reads to me as someone who has more familiarity with the thread than Stutters would. It seems more likely a habit that would be picked up from quickly chatting with people in the scum QT to try and figure out what his best move would be.
Does anyone else get that vibe, or am I reaching on this? .
I called him giggleS recently, and I believe that post was in response to something I said.
On April 30 2013 08:12 VisceraEyes wrote: Because I've got to say - I find this extremely odd. Especially considering Cheese's check turned out to be the opposite of what he claims...it just feels like he's buying it way too easily if he really had an issue with our checks to begin with.
On April 30 2013 09:32 VisceraEyes wrote: OO are you not reading? Ace's plan involved the cops checking each other in a circle, not everyone checking one person.
If one of the cops is scum, then 3p and mafia can kill off two of them and were left being forced to assume the living cop is town because no one can verify it. Or hell, even if the 3rd party is poisioner, and mafia only has 1 kp with no vigi shots (Though JOAT can vigi0 left, if we lose even one cop the cycle falls apart.
I'm still willing to say Palmar as 3rd party (Who should be jailed to see if its going to drop the kill count by 1, the only reason this could be bad is if hes actually a cop.), with Yamato and Shiao as scum, and then Ace if Shiao actually flips red. But that is just me.
On April 30 2013 11:54 Sharrant wrote: Anyone still have problems with Ace's plan? Speak now. I'd also like to hear all of the detectives agree to the checks.
Publically saying what your going to do makes it so much easier for them to be fucked with....
On April 30 2013 11:54 Sharrant wrote: Anyone still have problems with Ace's plan? Speak now. I'd also like to hear all of the detectives agree to the checks.
Publically saying what your going to do makes it so much easier for them to be fucked with....
Please point out to me the problem you have with the plan, instead of saying "the plan may have a problem". That's why we're discussing it.
Fine. If you say You you and you check him. All the Mafia has to do is either have a GF or something as one of the cops, or a JOAT for the check, and you fuck with one of the checks, kill the guy not checking the one your fucking with, have the fake (If there is one) reveal what he flipped becase well.. we established he was checking the guy that flipped by this association. We now hav the guy who we don't have check clearance on to look guilty. I would still feel pretty good about jailing Palmar to see if another SK hit happens so we can find out if there is a SP, or if Palmar was a SK that got role blocked night 1.
On April 30 2013 11:54 Sharrant wrote: Anyone still have problems with Ace's plan? Speak now. I'd also like to hear all of the detectives agree to the checks.
Publically saying what your going to do makes it so much easier for them to be fucked with....
Please point out to me the problem you have with the plan, instead of saying "the plan may have a problem". That's why we're discussing it.
Fine. If you say You you and you check him. All the Mafia has to do is either have a GF or something as one of the cops, or a JOAT for the check, and you fuck with one of the checks, kill the guy not checking the one your fucking with, have the fake (If there is one) reveal what he flipped becase well.. we established he was checking the guy that flipped by this association. We now hav the guy who we don't have check clearance on to look guilty. I would still feel pretty good about jailing Palmar to see if another SK hit happens so we can find out if there is a SP, or if Palmar was a SK that got role blocked night 1. I guess we can find out if thats true or not tomorrow if the jailer wants the check cycle to go through.
Well, fuck it. I think palmar should be roleblocked, either tonight if Jailer doubts his cop claim, or tomorrow if he wants to check to go through. Shia its hard to comment on because hes got nothing to really comment on, so I would say scum is a decent bet, sort of like Stutters and Maybe Kush or Yamato.
On April 30 2013 22:27 BloodyC0bbler wrote: OK so as I have been thinking recently.
We know there is one jailkeeper running around. We know there are 3 dt claims(one now dead) We know there is one mason still masoning, and one who is dead We know we have 1 dead miller and 1 claimed miller(wos) We know a mafia vig and a mafia framer are dead We know a second rb happened n1. This means a) palmar is lying b) I am lying c) An inactive town is a jailkeeper and has been mia for all nights since.
Given 2 millers, 1 framer. I find it extremely unlikely that we have two dts who have fucked up sanities. Insane is very easy to prove, as is insane. We know based on checks that obviousone is town, and palmar has a guilty check on him, I know I am town and he has a guilty check on me. Given that we have only been seeing 1 rb since n1 and joats can't rb as a power I am inclined to say Palmar is scum.
We know 100% that shiaopi is scum based on CC however I believe Palmar should be dealt with next at this time.
Who was the second RB night 1? I only recall seeing Palmar.
On April 30 2013 22:27 BloodyC0bbler wrote: OK so as I have been thinking recently.
We know there is one jailkeeper running around. We know there are 3 dt claims(one now dead) We know there is one mason still masoning, and one who is dead We know we have 1 dead miller and 1 claimed miller(wos) We know a mafia vig and a mafia framer are dead We know a second rb happened n1. This means a) palmar is lying b) I am lying c) An inactive town is a jailkeeper and has been mia for all nights since.
Given 2 millers, 1 framer. I find it extremely unlikely that we have two dts who have fucked up sanities. Insane is very easy to prove, as is insane. We know based on checks that obviousone is town, and palmar has a guilty check on him, I know I am town and he has a guilty check on me. Given that we have only been seeing 1 rb since n1 and joats can't rb as a power I am inclined to say Palmar is scum.
We know 100% that shiaopi is scum based on CC however I believe Palmar should be dealt with next at this time.
Who was the second RB night 1? I only recall seeing Palmar.
Me
Ah I see... Well that works then. Truth be told i think it fits a bit with how hes acted. Even the QT, which is probably kinda eh evidence, would lend to this: He wouldn't want to push a case that isn't being discussed actively as it would make him stand out too much no matter the flip. If he is 3rd party, he could have overlapped a shot with the mafia or taken a hit and claimed Roleblocked to safely explain both. Kinda surprised you didn't mention this before today though like on day 3 when we only had 1 roleblock and people were saying at least one cop had to be fake.
On April 30 2013 22:27 BloodyC0bbler wrote: OK so as I have been thinking recently.
We know there is one jailkeeper running around. We know there are 3 dt claims(one now dead) We know there is one mason still masoning, and one who is dead We know we have 1 dead miller and 1 claimed miller(wos) We know a mafia vig and a mafia framer are dead We know a second rb happened n1. This means a) palmar is lying b) I am lying c) An inactive town is a jailkeeper and has been mia for all nights since.
Given 2 millers, 1 framer. I find it extremely unlikely that we have two dts who have fucked up sanities. Insane is very easy to prove, as is insane. We know based on checks that obviousone is town, and palmar has a guilty check on him, I know I am town and he has a guilty check on me. Given that we have only been seeing 1 rb since n1 and joats can't rb as a power I am inclined to say Palmar is scum.
We know 100% that shiaopi is scum based on CC however I believe Palmar should be dealt with next at this time.
I pretty much agree with all of this, except ShiaoPi could have been framed so its not 100%. Nevertheless, the correct move is to lynch him right now.
So random question, if there is only 1 scum, based off the front page does that mean they get 0 kp? Because it doesn't say minimum of one. If so, then we can defently figure out if we have a sk or not.
On April 30 2013 22:43 Bill Murray wrote: Also, BC calling Palmar scum is a complete OMGUS if you look at the top of the page. Palmar just called BC scum. BC = active lurking here.
I think BC brought up a good point though. He claimed roleblocked, which means jailed, and Palmar went out of his way to mention multiple times that it was a JK that saved his life and it had to have been his life saved. Yet there was two roleblocks only on that night so... that is something. And I think of Palmar was really trying to push for BC instead of look kinda useful crazy cop man, he would have seen that descrepincy and mentioned it when he was saying he saw that BC came up red for his check.
On April 30 2013 22:44 TheRavensName wrote: So random question, if there is only 1 scum, based off the front page does that mean they get 0 kp? Because it doesn't say minimum of one. If so, then we can defently figure out if we have a sk or not.
I tentatively accuse Ace of being SP.
Well.... we only had two night kills once, so we can't even for sure there is a SK/SP yet unless he is the unluckiest bastard ever. JOAT Vigied is looking more likely at this point.
On April 30 2013 22:43 Bill Murray wrote: Also, BC calling Palmar scum is a complete OMGUS if you look at the top of the page. Palmar just called BC scum. BC = active lurking here.
I think BC brought up a good point though. He claimed roleblocked, which means jailed, and Palmar went out of his way to mention multiple times that it was a JK that saved his life and it had to have been his life saved. Yet there was two roleblocks only on that night so... that is something. And I think of Palmar was really trying to push for BC instead of look kinda useful crazy cop man, he would have seen that descrepincy and mentioned it when he was saying he saw that BC came up red for his check.
But if Palmar was lying and isn't a cop, why did he claim a guilty check on OO? If he isn't a cop and wanted BC lynched, he shot himself in the foot there.
He could claim paranoid, which he just did. It worked if he was believed, and sense no one bit thanks to our cop mass dibacle, he got another day to say he was paranoid.
On April 30 2013 23:02 Sharrant wrote: No one has claimed a roleblock besides VE today? I kinda figured there'd be one on one of the vets, I mean Palmar and then Ace was RB'ed n1/n2. Shiao is the proper lynch.
On April 30 2013 23:02 Sharrant wrote: No one has claimed a roleblock besides VE today? I kinda figured there'd be one on one of the vets, I mean Palmar and then Ace was RB'ed n1/n2. Shiao is the proper lynch.
Well, they had to stop at least one of the cops.
EBOP: This make no sense actually so I take that back. I would assume the jailer thought for sre one of our cops was going to be shot, and he just picked the wrong one.
Well I have a final I need to depart for in about ten minutes. i will not be back till around 2 pm EST in all likelyhood, so I will vote for palmar because I don't want to hammer Shiao just yet (Someone should probably unvote him till we get more weigh ins0 but I think if Shiao doesn't die, palmar defently should.
On April 30 2013 23:53 WaveofShadow wrote: Not-so-random thought: Ace is 3p poisoner. Explains 1 death tonight and my suspicions toward him last night. For the record I've never thought Ace is mafia; that's more or less impossible. 3p entirely possible.
That, is a rather good point actually. Damn it WoS.
On May 01 2013 03:27 TheRavensName wrote: Look. No more mafia jailer. That's much more useful then clarity. Bussing looks to be a sure thing.
How is jailer more useful than extra mafia KP? The only thing that made the bus a sure thing was the likelihood of Clarity's being modkilled. It's possible they follow your train of thought, but either way bus was obvious and necessary for scum.
Case on Palmar inc., though not sure if more likely scum or town yet. I'm about halfway in.
The fact it roleblocks protects. And can shut down third party? Besides they traded one guy who was dead anyways for a guythat was saveable without cop claim.
On April 27 2013 07:06 WaveofShadow wrote: Ace you make an interesting point but I just don't feel good about a Clarity lynch. How many of those 6 matching voters would you say are scum, and what would it mean if Shiao does turn out to be scum?
*nods at the conclusion BC has drawn
WoS I honestly don't know yet. I've got a few players I'm leaning Scum on but I won't say because I'm not 100% sure and it doesn't make sense to start more wagons and finger pointing. Lets solve one thing at a time.
if Shiao does turn out to be Scum AND clarity doesn't then the matching voters look real townish and I'm just wrong. Why does a clarity lynch feel uneasy to you?
Up until about this posts ace is saying shiao is guilty or atleast addressing the issue. Once clarity gets popped up he just follows it and pushes for it while also stating shiao had to just be a dumb townie. In repayment for this service, shiao hammers himself once yamato brings ace up. Its lovely really.
On May 01 2013 03:45 WaveofShadow wrote: Alright I can see that. Either way the fact that mafia have been bussing for most of this game isn't exactly news. TRN what are your thoughts on Palmar atm since I'm in the middle of analyzing him?
I'm debating. I wanna lean 3p but I need to see another night phase before I commit to that sense ther has been some doubt tossed about that scenario. Otherwise I see as much evidence he's town as he is scummy.
Your case makes me like scum palmar more than town. Not surw about 3, I still like it better unless we see some more night kills with only 1 death. If he gets roleblocked that would help me greatly, in deciding about him.
Well another point against palmar is scum killed who he was suppose to check and then blocked his checker. That is fairly ahift since he didn't check cc anyways.
So, seeing as hwo you mentioned it WoS I feel the need to bring it up again when Palmar ignored the Qt, he did post this: "oh oats was always gonna flip town. I didn't really care much for reasons best left unexplained" Whch is looking more and more like a scum slip then it did before, when it looked pretty bad.
On May 01 2013 04:14 VisceraEyes wrote: The final two scum were on a team with 3 inactives. Is it more likely that the remaining scum are hyperactive to kind of disassociate through perceived mindset differences or whatever, or that they're also lurking through De motivation or whatever?
I would say the latter. I think the last scum are going to be semilurky angry dudes. Palmar and yamato both fit this description.
Definitely gonna be some RNG rage after this game. VE I agree with you somewhat but I also worry that we've been tearing ourselves apart (with the help of a 3p who I'd argue MUST be active this game) and the 4/5 scum could be GiygaS/stutters or something stupid like that.
The more I think about it, the dumber a third party seems. We only have one night where a 3rd party kill was even possible, and its the same night vigis could shoot. Till we see more, not enough to go on.
On May 01 2013 04:18 VisceraEyes wrote: Does that seem likely to you? Wanna lynch them before Palmar, yamato or BC?
Not necessarily since there's always that 'well why are they still alive' factor, amirite? We'll have to see where tonight takes us and continue to discuss until the flip. VE I will follow TRN's curiousity on this; what are your thoughts regarding Ace atm?
TRN I suppose it's possible for 3rd party not to be present this game but I find it unlikely; where does the 2nd night kill on N2 come from? Can you explain all the rbs/kills without the presence of 3rd party?
Mafia JOAT/2nd Vigi? We only have one kill to point at and it was when Vigis could shoot, not night 1.
On May 01 2013 04:44 Artanis[Xp] wrote: I would like to see Yamato and Ace as well as Palmar and BC engaged in Mortal Kombat. I would also like to hear more from Stutters, on anything really.
You there! Substitute scate on through to the other side boy. What are your thoughts on these people and cases against them and why?
On May 01 2013 05:09 VisceraEyes wrote: Guys the veterans fight it out. BC/Ace/Palmar, no-holds-barred cagematch. Loser takes yamato in a flame-war post-match to the death.
What do you think?
I would preferyou didn't try to play like ace, its unbecoming and did something useful like you tried to do the other day.
On April 30 2013 22:27 BloodyC0bbler wrote: OK so as I have been thinking recently.
We know there is one jailkeeper running around. We know there are 3 dt claims(one now dead) We know there is one mason still masoning, and one who is dead We know we have 1 dead miller and 1 claimed miller(wos) We know a mafia vig and a mafia framer are dead We know a second rb happened n1. This means a) palmar is lying b) I am lying c) An inactive town is a jailkeeper and has been mia for all nights since.
Given 2 millers, 1 framer. I find it extremely unlikely that we have two dts who have fucked up sanities. Insane is very easy to prove, as is insane. We know based on checks that obviousone is town, and palmar has a guilty check on him, I know I am town and he has a guilty check on me. Given that we have only been seeing 1 rb since n1 and joats can't rb as a power I am inclined to say Palmar is scum.
We know 100% that shiaopi is scum based on CC however I believe Palmar should be dealt with next at this time.
Who was the second RB night 1? I only recall seeing Palmar.
Me
Ah I see... Well that works then. Truth be told i think it fits a bit with how hes acted. Even the QT, which is probably kinda eh evidence, would lend to this: He wouldn't want to push a case that isn't being discussed actively as it would make him stand out too much no matter the flip. If he is 3rd party, he could have overlapped a shot with the mafia or taken a hit and claimed Roleblocked to safely explain both. Kinda surprised you didn't mention this before today though like on day 3 when we only had 1 roleblock and people were saying at least one cop had to be fake.
I claimed this day 2 -_-
I don't see where you specifically attack palmar on the basis of thinking his RB claim is bullshit. I see you bashing his play but not that specifically.
On May 01 2013 05:44 VisceraEyes wrote: OH PALMAR WHO'S YORU SCUMBUDDY? IS IT ARTANIS?
Make it real small so that only I can see it! Everyone will promise not to look right guys?
That'd be sick, we could have a sick back and forth going on where he calls you scum and I call you town and we derail the entire thread like that. I wish I was on a QT with Palmar now.
TRN, can you mason me next? I want to banter with him
You do realize if I mason you its just me and you right? Games with the always expanding mason list with everyone otgether is done with host controling who gets masoned/rnging it.
On April 30 2013 23:26 Sharrant wrote: I don't see a town jailer doing that, to be honest. My most likely scenario is:
N1: Palmar jailed (seemed to be the towniest looking Vet in a lot of people's eyes) BC RB'ed
N2: Ace Jailed (Just lynched scum) Either Ace also RB'ed or maybe RB on their shot (not sure if that messes with veteran orSK/SP protection in this game.)
N3 ??? Jailed VE RB'ed
I will be considering VE confirmed town because of this. The exception is if it was a town jailer who jailed BC, Ace was double jailed, and the jailer did not think the plan through and decided to VE because... terrible reasoning? It seems like a stretch to think of this as two town jailers.
But I would wager that Palmar and Ace were both town jailed. I guess it remains to be seen if there's another roleblocked player. But a town jailer jailing VE just does not make sense to me.
This post doesn't make sense. The only way to be roleblocked in this game is to be jailed. IE for me to be roleblocked n1 requires me being jailed. As it would with Palmar.
N2 we only had ace rb'ed and VE on n3. These all count as protections as well. I find it extremely unlikely that one jailkeeper is so inactive to not send in their power use for two night periods. Given that I doubt BH would be so much of an ass to not let mafia control an inactive member of their teams powers it means a town jailer has been mia 99% of the game or one of Palmar and I is lying about n1. I know what my pms say thus I say palmar and if he lied about that he sure as hell is lying about his claim.
Or scum JOAT, as TRN and I discussed. That would fulfill the possibility that neither of you is lying.
Except according to the OP JOATs can't roleblock.
OOOO interesting; you're right. This means if we don't have 3p with KP then scum JOAT hasn't used their 2nd night power?
Well no, we just don't have proof of them using their 2nd power.
On May 01 2013 06:08 VisceraEyes wrote: Also guys at what point are we going to discuss the viability of TRN as a lynch candidate considering we've flipped a town masoner already? Because I was waiting until more scum flipped, and it seems like now is a good time to bring up the subject.
Considering the possibility of 3 fucking dts isn't completely off the table (or at least the possibility that one of you didn't actually lie) I'd believe it. I dunno I've had Raven as town all game---do you have something else to go on?
Not really, just spitballin. We haven't flipped a repeat blue role yet - not saying we won't or can't, just that we haven't that I'm aware of.
Maybe I add TRN to my list of people to look over tonight. Might as well right?
Sure, why not? May want to hurry with that though, its quite likely your going to die for being the believable cop alive.
On May 01 2013 06:21 VisceraEyes wrote: We don't have enough kills for there to be an SK or poisoner do we? I mean, they oculd have been hiding it on likely medic protects or something, but both SK and poisoner are compulsive and we've gone a couple nights with 1 kill right?
On May 01 2013 06:21 VisceraEyes wrote: We don't have enough kills for there to be an SK or poisoner do we? I mean, they oculd have been hiding it on likely medic protects or something, but both SK and poisoner are compulsive and we've gone a couple nights with 1 kill right?
3rd Party pierce protection.
except jailkeeping protection
Oh really? Huh... Well it still pierces medic protectio.
I got another exam starting in about twenty minuts, so I'm going to have to treck across campus in about 15, so any questions before I go for another two hours?
On May 01 2013 06:39 Ace wrote: I just got home. My only other chance was being when I was here late night and voted Shiao and I went to bed immediately after. I dont see the problem with it.
On May 01 2013 06:36 Ace wrote: I was roleblocked again last night and its def possible I've been shot at a few times.
So anyone really pushing to lynch you might be mafia if you're not since they can't seem to shoot you.
Also whoever is jailing Ace, keep it up forever.
O'Doyle rules.
How can you just believe a jail claim that only comes up after hes being discussed during the next night phase when hes being discussed as a mafia suspect? And if hes the 2nd jail target, were short one somewhere and that shit doesn't add up.
On May 01 2013 06:36 Ace wrote: I was roleblocked again last night and its def possible I've been shot at a few times.
So anyone really pushing to lynch you might be mafia if you're not since they can't seem to shoot you.
Also whoever is jailing Ace, keep it up forever.
O'Doyle rules.
How can you just believe a jail claim that only comes up after hes being discussed during the next night phase when hes being discussed as a mafia suspect? And if hes the 2nd jail target, were short one somewhere and that shit doesn't add up.
What are you talking about? We're short one what?
Judging off the list someone posted earlier, we only had 1 block claim night 2.
On May 01 2013 06:39 Ace wrote: I just got home. My only other chance was being when I was here late night and voted Shiao and I went to bed immediately after. I dont see the problem with it.
You didn't post it then why?
Focused on the Shiao lynch knowing I'd be gone for a long time. I've got no reason to hide being roleblocked. When I was here for the last day post I immediately claimed.
By focused yo mean you posted like two sentences? How hard would it have been to slip it in at the end like "Oh hey I was roleblocked. K thanks gys I'm out."
On May 01 2013 06:36 Ace wrote: I was roleblocked again last night and its def possible I've been shot at a few times.
So anyone really pushing to lynch you might be mafia if you're not since they can't seem to shoot you.
Also whoever is jailing Ace, keep it up forever.
O'Doyle rules.
How can you just believe a jail claim that only comes up after hes being discussed during the next night phase when hes being discussed as a mafia suspect? And if hes the 2nd jail target, were short one somewhere and that shit doesn't add up.
What are you talking about? We're short one what?
Judging off the list someone posted earlier, we only had 1 block claim night 2.
Okay, and Ace just came in and claimed another. What's the problem?
On May 01 2013 06:51 WaveofShadow wrote: Who was blocked N2? Just Ace? Hmm. I'm gonna go with Shiao didn't submit and town JK for 1000$
And conviently sense he got jail blocked we havent had another poisioner thing pop. So its looking likely if we have a 3rd party its ace unless results tomorrow change that sentiment.
Disproving ace as $0 is really easy just unblock him once sont crumb it or anything then reblock him. As to it being suspicious if he claims as sp, he's worse off if he gets called out and didn't claim.
For scum I think palmer for stated reasons andeither kush or shutters for how low profile they have been.
i think we are fairly late in the game to be using Meta as a basis, especially when it seems quite a few people are unaware of each others metas. Excluding Ve and Ace I suppose.
On May 01 2013 09:10 VisceraEyes wrote: BC: Palmar or Yamato - who gets the lynch tomorrow and why?
I believe I have summed up before in earlier posts about my suspicions of him no?
If you need a new summary
He has done basically nothing to help the town He appears to only be doing what he does for shits and giggles He claimed DT with one red check purely to get me lynched when he knows dts can have sanity issues He has promised analysis and never delivered I believe because of these things he is scum
On April 26 2013 06:00 BloodyC0bbler wrote:
On April 26 2013 05:58 VisceraEyes wrote: So is there a reason Yamato is a better lynch than Ace or Palmar to you?
Because I feel Yamato is 100% scum whereas the other two could be scum or third party. Of those two I would lynch Palmar first though
What has changed?
Yamato is trying in some varying degree so I feel I could be wrong now. Instead of 100% im more sitting on like 80% whereas Palmar's behaviour since just before and everything after his cop claim has just been insanely scumlike. I believe there is a strong possibility of both being scum, however in this case I feel Palmar's play has been far more scummy.
Show me where Yamato is trying.
Well hes trying on Ace and Palmar right now... Your basiclaly just screaming I DONT KNOW WHAT YOur TALKING ABOUT I LIKE ACE!
On May 02 2013 05:55 TheRavensName wrote: Why is palmer not being voted for anymore?
Because BC looks worse between the two and Hopeless looks worse than both combined.
The guy whos played enough games to know better and couldn't be verified. By a cop;ooks better then the guy he tried to get killed off a single check only to declare paranoid when people called bullshit?
VE said he thought palmer was scum too... killing him after he says yamato buries it well and is a good wifom bomb.
On May 02 2013 05:55 TheRavensName wrote: Why is palmer not being voted for anymore?
Because BC looks worse between the two and Hopeless looks worse than both combined.
The guy whos played enough games to know better and couldn't be verified. By a cop;ooks better then the guy he tried to get killed off a single check only to declare paranoid when people called bullshit?
VE said he thought palmer was scum too... killing him after he says yamato buries it well and is a good wifom bomb.
I can take one element from the game and use it to jump to conclusions too. You're presuming Palmar made up that he's a cop when you take this line. It's very possible he's a paranoid cop, and the guilty check was just a bonus upon the suspicion he already had on BC.
But palmar should know better that's a noob mistake even I wouldn,t have walked into is my point. And look it fished out all our confirmed cops who all died before he could be checked. If I wanted to take one random thing I would go find where palmer said anyone who thought he wasn't town was going to die and call it a scum slip.
Okay artanis how aboout when it was sharrity v clarity shio went out of his way to mention how towwny palmar was compared to everyone on clarity and that's why he wanted to vote sharrant? He even likes palmars claim the most. Hell if you throw that in, looks more like palmer chose clarity over shar and shio because it was more popular and he was better getting rid of than shiao who wasn't on the edge of being modkilled?
On May 02 2013 06:55 Palmar wrote: Someone needs to write an actual case on me if you want to try to lynch me.
Eh. You'd just ignore it anyways. This is easier and funner. Put most my musings togethere and ypu have a complete case. I just like small easy to digest chunks compared to huge blobs. Your certainly not doing anything to make me doubt my attempts to push you.
On May 02 2013 06:52 TheRavensName wrote: Okay artanis how aboout when it was sharrity v clarity shio went out of his way to mention how towwny palmar was compared to everyone on clarity and that's why he wanted to vote sharrant? He even likes palmars claim the most. Hell if you throw that in, looks more like palmer chose clarity over shar and shio because it was more popular and he was better getting rid of than shiao who wasn't on the edge of being modkilled?
When I played scum I never called any of my teammates super townie. Actually, if anything, scum find it difficult to interact with one another. Shiao had two interactions with BC and never discussed him once. Clarity discusses Palmar and BC equally and calls BC a townread, so if you want to go through with whom players that flipped scum called town, clarity did so for BC. As for the latter reason, that's worthless speculation. It'd be grounds to suspect Ace more than anything since he's the one that derailed the lynch.
Palmar teying to push a thread town read over a confirmed scum isn't derailing?
On April 23 2013 21:22 Vivax wrote: Me and ace are basically the only ones asking people to switch to Oats, others say "can do", others say it looks like a policy, or try to push other cases.
If this was a wagon on a townie, scum could be pushing it easily at this point. Why didn't any of this happen yet? There's resistance here.
Again, worst reasoning ever. Cause im town. Yeah.
Hopeless. Why am I scum?
don't even care if you're scum. throwing suspicion on your emperor should be punishable by death.
"oh oats was always gonna flip town. I didn't really care much for reasons best left unexplained."
Scumslip mixed with the whole stupid reason he basically voted for oats. This is something I would like to see someone argue against please.
On May 02 2013 09:37 GiygaS wrote: I thought he was paraphrasing, since he didn't use an actual quote (like the quote function). My bad. Anyway, I'm pretty sure that's Palmar being Palmar. A lot of his posts looked like this at that point in the game.
Its from my Mason QT, I'm not allowed to quote it.
On May 02 2013 09:37 ObviousOne wrote: Listen to Scumcast 3, really actually listen to it don't just play it in the background. Palmar talks about D1 lynches. It totally fits with everything he said in the cast. Oats was a good D1 lynch even though Oats was town. You cannot apologize for lynching town D1, and since you are usually going to hit town you have to make it a GOOD D1 lynch. A GOOD D1 lynch gives you information without lynching for information. You have people take sides, you see who flies in the face of logic, reason, how people escape the noose. Accept the fact that D1 lynches tend to hit town, accept that he understands and embraces this, and use the information constructively. His slip isn't a scum slip, it's his actual mindset.
If that was the case, he would have said so as his reasonings. he would say " I explained why, your going to hit town just accept it unless yo uget lucky Go listen to the podcast again.." He said for reasons not explained, if he had time to do a cop check first, that would be one thing. But I want to know what those unexplained reasons are,
On April 29 2013 05:47 TheRavensName wrote: He also mentioned that "oh oats was always gonna flip town. I didn't really care much for reasons best left unexplained. " Even a scum would at least kind of care right?
The reasons best left unexplained have now been explained. I was actively trying to be useless/awful without sabotaging town. I usually say it's a terrible idea to change your play when you roll blue... but my normal play gets me shot night 1 almost every damn game, so I decided to give it a shot.
On May 02 2013 09:37 ObviousOne wrote: Listen to Scumcast 3, really actually listen to it don't just play it in the background. Palmar talks about D1 lynches. It totally fits with everything he said in the cast. Oats was a good D1 lynch even though Oats was town. You cannot apologize for lynching town D1, and since you are usually going to hit town you have to make it a GOOD D1 lynch. A GOOD D1 lynch gives you information without lynching for information. You have people take sides, you see who flies in the face of logic, reason, how people escape the noose. Accept the fact that D1 lynches tend to hit town, accept that he understands and embraces this, and use the information constructively. His slip isn't a scum slip, it's his actual mindset.
If that was the case, he would have said so as his reasonings. he would say " I explained why, your going to hit town just accept it unless yo uget lucky Go listen to the podcast again.." He said for reasons not explained, if he had time to do a cop check first, that would be one thing. But I want to know what those unexplained reasons are,
On April 29 2013 10:06 Palmar wrote:
On April 29 2013 05:47 TheRavensName wrote: He also mentioned that "oh oats was always gonna flip town. I didn't really care much for reasons best left unexplained. " Even a scum would at least kind of care right?
The reasons best left unexplained have now been explained. I was actively trying to be useless/awful without sabotaging town. I usually say it's a terrible idea to change your play when you roll blue... but my normal play gets me shot night 1 almost every damn game, so I decided to give it a shot.
This was not a satisfactory answer.
Seems to me from reading it that the "reasons best left unexplained" are that he wanted to appear on a bad lynch/completely off the mark to avoid getting shot.
Would like to hear Ace's thoughts but this makes me feel less good about a Palmar lynch.
Since I still can't filter dive, can you tell me what game cycle you were masoned to him on?
Yea but, we were in th QT, not the thread there friend. Its not a good answer eiter way. If I was scum, I wouldn't care for his mtoivations on lynching oats, in fact if anything that phrasing was more likely to get him shot just for being like a ominious blue threat if it didn';t come out day 1, I would be happy he did, and if he was scum, he wouldn't want those shared bcause its essentually "i need mislynches to win." If were both town, which I waked into that QT thinking we were, he should have told me so I can understand, especially when he knows this is my first non newbie game.
On May 02 2013 21:26 Hopeless1der wrote: If a town roleblocker ever flips, immediately lynch Ace. If he flips SP, I want TRN killed for this shit out of spite. Denying Artanis the opportunity to post his case for some bullshit reason, but still asks him to just post it. TRN took longer to tell him to fuck off instead of giving him a popcorn. No one said you had to like the case, but you already have some bullshit reasons to "ignore it". I'm coming back to you when I'm through with the rest of the filters.
WAit, I was pushing for the idea of him as 3rd party and only backed off when people said we don't have any real proof! Why the fuck lynch me if he flips SP? Especially when you yourself called me town, you know thats a mislynch.
On May 02 2013 21:26 Hopeless1der wrote: If a town roleblocker ever flips, immediately lynch Ace. If he flips SP, I want TRN killed for this shit out of spite. Denying Artanis the opportunity to post his case for some bullshit reason, but still asks him to just post it. TRN took longer to tell him to fuck off instead of giving him a popcorn. No one said you had to like the case, but you already have some bullshit reasons to "ignore it". I'm coming back to you when I'm through with the rest of the filters.
WAit, I was pushing for the idea of him as 3rd party and only backed off when people said we don't have any real proof! Why the fuck lynch me if he flips SP? Especially when you yourself called me town, you know thats a mislynch.
Because it doubles our remaining mislynches so we can afford to off you out of spite
You know, perhaps threatening to lynch people for stupid reasons isn't a good idea when your at L-3.
On May 02 2013 21:33 Hopeless1der wrote: Like I still want to win the game. You're not helping by telling artanis to fuck off with his BC case. He just wanted a captive audience.
And I'm here, I'm posting. He got three popcorns, and I told him I wanted him to just post it. He had his audience and he reacted in a way that made Kush no longer interested, and made me care a little bit less.
On May 02 2013 21:36 Artanis[Xp] wrote: Subject name: Bloodyc0bbler Nickname: The Cobbler Profile:Mafia Future: Lynched by the mob of justice.
At the start of the game, BlazingHand wrote to Bloodyc0bbler: You're a scummy sonuvabitch aintcha, your teammates are Tube, Clarity_nl, ShiaoPi and some other semi-afk dude lol enjoy
This annoys the cobbler, which can be seen in his first post in the game. A post which announces the tunnel he will put himself in for the rest of the game.
On April 22 2013 13:45 BloodyC0bbler wrote:
On April 22 2013 12:57 yamato77 wrote:
On April 22 2013 12:56 Ace wrote: so instead of looking at the people currently here, you're waiting for lurkers? awesome plan you got there.
I already said I think most of the people posting (Rayn, Sharrant, Giygas) seem town.
You, on the other hand, are worth looking at.
Mafia is a game about finding mafia not town + waiting on lurkers for more reads? How about you analyze whos already here.
Also still catching up but this is the single worst post ive seen to this point of reading
BC instantly calls Yamato likely scum and calls OO scum for suggesting that claiming miller is acceptable. So far, we've had only one person that claimed self-aware miller and I'm pretty sure he's town. It seems likely that BC wanted millers to stay hidden to give scum a chance for a mislynch in case they get checked. Town players that claim miller are excellent since it reduces from the pool of players that give detectives false information, and if scum has no intention of claiming miller, they certainly don't want town players to do so. It's also an easy way to look like you're contributing. The full exchange between OO and BC can be found in OO's case so I won't reiterate that.
BC, the player who had a strong scumread on Yamato never bothers to truly push him. Instead, he blabbers on about millers as if it'll get him anywhere. It won't, and he knows it won't, but he'd rather keep talking about that than actually having to push his scumread. Why doesn't he do so? It's fairly obvious. Once Yamato flips green, all eyes would be turned to him and his filter wouldn't survive the scrutiny. So he pushes Yamato weakly. Never asks people what they thought of him, just answering questions when people decide to look into the case. And the case is pretty damn awful.
On April 26 2013 05:34 BloodyC0bbler wrote: Ok lets move into the land of posting.
First off let me ask you all a question as you have been active this day. For all the "scum" reads I have garnered why is it only a single player has even pushed an analysis of any sort on me? This is coming from someone I pushed day 1, Yamato. Since then I have see others share the sentiment of BC must be scum. 0 reasons have followed aside from activity. My activity that I stated straight out that I was not going to be around for.
Now we have someone like Yamato claiming we should kill me before I return to avoid ruining town atmosphere meanwhile he has spent the day floundering over his reads, then telling people we should lynch into the ace/palmar/BC pool. Guess what? read his filter for this current day. Find me him pushing anyone on analysis. Show me him trying to consolidate the town on any central lynch. He suggests names then changes them. The only constant is me but he never just pushes me. He is still not actively pushing me. Why? If i am his #1 scum read this game he would be trying to push my death faster and surer than anything else he has done this game day. Instead? He just mentions my name. Read his filter. End of page 5 and on. Tell me where he gives an analysis post or solid read that is based on any substance. Tell me where he tries to prove my original statement of him being scum wrong. He has done absolutely nothing but attempt to blend into the crowd while calling names? Why? Because if I get lynched then he follows me to death as hes pushing for a death on a townie. He knows damn well that he will get shot / lynched on my flip thus is not pushing for my death.
He also mentions we should lynch into the me / ace / palmar group. He never does a solid method of analysis on either just blanket says we should lynch into this group to find scum. Why isn't he attempting to help? Because he knows there are misslynches in there and does not want the fallback on his own head. Why if he also believes ace could be scum why no analysis on ace? Why is the only post on palmar being red a WIFOM argument. Why does he have a vote on VE if he wants me dead of all people?
Simple. Yamato is scum.
Thankfully Yamato's scumbuddy Mr.Cheesecake also jumped out of the wood work. Cheesecake has a 5 page filter. Between calling himself Town, he finds time to quote/post lists on reads that don't count as real town contributions. What has he done on his own? Nothing. He has found the ability to follow Yamato's lead all through the last game day where he agreed with ace on Yamato being bad. Why would you sheep the guy you think is bad? Why would you spend time attempting to confirm a player as town based on night shots on the grounds of "i don't think scum would defensively jailkeeper" n1. Why wouldn't they? Its the one night you can't get shot. Toss it on one of your goons or powerrole you don't intend on using to create a stupid wifom argument in which town goes "he must be legit" Says he wants to lynch ShiaoPi yet spends more time in his filter mentioning me as scum than the guy he wants to lynch.
Given the massive level of non contributions while attempting to blend in he cannot be town.
Also, for anyone accusing me for being scum based on my lack of contribution. Please filter dive your beloved Ace and Palmar and tell me what either have done to convince you of being town. Both are "active" while not actively helping the town in any positive way. Since when would Ace base his reads/lynch of the reads of another player. Go read his game history. Ace does the shit ace wants to do and pushes it when town. He is not taking this town by the reins or even actively attempting to lead the lynches. Palmar is in the same boat.
Read this case, and read it thoroughly. It is full of shit. Yamato has created 3 cases at this point and pushed for them stronger than BC has on anyone. Consolidating on town is a shit argument because it's an instant majority game with no deadline so how the FUCK does that make anyone scum? It doesn't, it's just bullshit padding. Then there's a whole bunch of loaded questions he asks and answers himself with no content whatsoever. To top it all off, he adds a second scumspect that he never mentioned before in the same post and finishes the same post off with a defense of himself. he never wanted this case to be looked at. He never wanted yamato lynched. Would this be the case a cobbler makes to get someone lynched? Is this the fear of any scumteam that causes him to get shot N1 every time? No. It's awful, and he needs to die for it.
These are the first posts he made instantly after he posted his case. + Show Spoiler +
On April 26 2013 04:55 Mr. Cheesecake wrote: why would town jail BC?
I started to reply to this post and realized that I'm making the assumption that there has to be a scum jailer. There doesn't does there?
Why does town have to have a Jailer? Scum having two "rbers" isn't uncommon nor is town not having medics. Setup speculation serves no real basis on how to analyze if someone is town/scum.
On April 26 2013 05:36 BloodyC0bbler wrote: EBWOP
Actually given that town could have jailkeepers or medics. not having jailkeepers makes sense given that town has no real need of rbers,
Actually given that town could have jailkeepers or medics. not having jailkeepers makes sense given that town has no real need of rbers,
Given the absence of actual RBers it does NOT make sense that scum have zero too. This is the basis of my assumption.
And I'm not basing wanting to lynch Palmar off the RB claim. I think he's scum based on what he's done in the game.
As would I. I am merely pointing it out based on the comment made about "why would town jail bc"
I would want to lynch Palmar for same reasons people would say "lynch bc for" What people don't realize Is i took a firm stance day 1 on a lynch and Palmar nor Ace did. They sheeped.
On April 26 2013 05:55 BloodyC0bbler wrote: Interesting point VE. I actually agree with it as well
No mention of Yamato or Mr. CC, he just instantly jumps back to town sentiment. He doesn't give a shit about actually getting Yamato lynched, he'd be fine with a Palmar lynch, or whoever town wants to lynch, as long as it isn't him.
On April 26 2013 06:00 BloodyC0bbler wrote:
On April 26 2013 05:58 VisceraEyes wrote: So is there a reason Yamato is a better lynch than Ace or Palmar to you?
Because I feel Yamato is 100% scum whereas the other two could be scum or third party. Of those two I would lynch Palmar first though
This is the last time he mentions Yamato for a long time other than in passing, the player he has a 100% scumread on. WHY DOES HE NOT CARE ABOUT GETTING HIS 100% SCUMREAD LYNCHED?!??!
Anyway, the thread goes on with suspicion being cast upon Clarity and Shiao, two people we later found out were scum. BC's initial response:
On April 26 2013 06:04 BloodyC0bbler wrote:
On April 26 2013 06:01 raynpelikoneet wrote: BC what do you think of the candidates who are/were on the table on D2 besides yamato, particularly VE, ShiaoPi, Clarity?
Clarity has done nothing to change my read of him d1, VE is not mafia in my books and shiao is completely mia thus should be dealt with by vigi's in my books.
People who rarely contribute and spend more time lurking who have no real basis for a scum read should be dealt with by vigi's until they have said enough to warrant a lynch. Of that block you could argue clarity could be lynched, but he is not the scummiest player in the game thus has a higher chance of flipping town over say yamato/cheesecake/ace/palmar
A null read and they should be dealt with with a vigi. No one really cared about getting either lynched. Following thread sentiment, seems legit.
Then, he sees one of his buddies make a bad post. He knows people are suspecting Shiao already. Since he's inactive, he mind as well go for it and collect some towncred.
On April 27 2013 02:53 BloodyC0bbler wrote:
On April 27 2013 02:35 ShiaoPi wrote: Well, that took a lot of time to read. Not so sure about whom to lynch now with tube getting modkilled (lol btw!). I also have very limited time during the entire weekend, which is obviously gimping me by quite a bit as I while only be able to drop by shortly during the evening/late night before I sleep. I am currently torn between clarity and VE. Going with VE for now because I think it is a good idea to sheep Palmar. Go figure. ##vote: VE If there are no direct questions to me in the next couple of minutes I'll be off to bed until I can come back on tomorrow at about the same time as right now.
This is your first post I have seen where you look at VE as someone to lynch. Not only do you not provide a reason why you think either is scum you opt to choose who you did based on sheeping?
I am suddenly very fine with lynching you
Buut Shiao answers decently and BC notices that town doesn't want to lynch Shiao, so he lets it go.
On April 27 2013 03:08 raynpelikoneet wrote: Okay that explains a lot. You know sometimes people realize they are arguing with a townie and let go.
Anyways i'm not interested in lynching ShiaoPi today.
On April 27 2013 03:23 BloodyC0bbler wrote:
On April 27 2013 03:19 ShiaoPi wrote:
On April 27 2013 03:09 BloodyC0bbler wrote:
On April 27 2013 03:05 ShiaoPi wrote:
On April 27 2013 02:53 BloodyC0bbler wrote:
On April 27 2013 02:35 ShiaoPi wrote: Well, that took a lot of time to read. Not so sure about whom to lynch now with tube getting modkilled (lol btw!). I also have very limited time during the entire weekend, which is obviously gimping me by quite a bit as I while only be able to drop by shortly during the evening/late night before I sleep. I am currently torn between clarity and VE. Going with VE for now because I think it is a good idea to sheep Palmar. Go figure. ##vote: VE If there are no direct questions to me in the next couple of minutes I'll be off to bed until I can come back on tomorrow at about the same time as right now.
This is your first post I have seen where you look at VE as someone to lynch. Not only do you not provide a reason why you think either is scum you opt to choose who you did based on sheeping?
I am suddenly very fine with lynching you
Its 2 am, I am fucking tired and tomorrow is another tightly packed day, this is the main reason for my shortness in statements and other things. It is of course my first post saying that I think VE to be scummy, since my activity has been terrible anyway. As I am unable to do anything about my current schedule, shit like this happens. Take it or leave it as it is.
I think that the cases and points laid against clarity and VE throughout the day have merit to them, therefore I consider them to be scummy. As they are kind of both equally scummy to me I look on who are the voters on them and what are my reads of them and so on.
The votes on VE as the current time are Palmar and kush. Palmar is a very high townread of mine and a really strong player in anyway kush is a nullish read of mine at the moment --->Strong preference to also vote for VE
Votes on Clarity are: Sharrant, rayn, obviousone, Ace Sharrant is probably town rayn is more nullish but also in the townleaning camp Their current interactions of being best pals for life is kind of irritating though as it makes the earlier exchanges between them esp in D1 look fabricated. OO is just not readable to me right now. I have no clue about his alignment, I do know thought that I am fucking town, so his skill in making reads does not impress me. Ace has the credentials to sway me onto the clarity vote, but I am much less sure of my read on him than on Palmar ---->much weaker preference to vote with them on clarity.
Call me Palmar fanboy if you want but ya
Why don't you discuss any of the other potential scum candidates, why didnt you make a solid post about why you think VE is scum or clarity is scum? If you have time to read, and know you are going to be inactive it seems the logical move as a townie would be to post why you are doing x to avoid being called out on it. Instead you don't do that. Instead you jump in, vote, and attempt to flee instantly.
I did not discuss them as incidentally my strongest reads are on VE and on Clarity right now. I have a lingering suspicion on Gigays which is weakening to stupid townie currently and I am wary of Stutters, but that is more due to the fact that he replaced in and has not done much yet. Weak argument but he did replace DrH who is usually a very vocal person. As you seem to disagree with the way I am playing, I just want to say that I am posting about why I a mdoing what, probably not to the satisfaction of most people in the thread when I glance eat the voting thread but that is just the way I do it now. Looks to you like jumping in dropping and vote and running off i guess, but truth is, it is late, I am tired, I do still want to play this game so I am allocating time I could use for sleep to this game in order to not only save towm from a potential mislynch but also to push what i believe to be scum. You can read that as you want it, but at least to me it is definetyl not fleeing, heck I am here answering to you
That you are which is some points in your favour. You understand where i am coming from though? That I had to pressure you to get information that you should have presented in the first post?
I will let you get sleep but I do expect more from you than sheeping players because "they are good" especially when said players are not doing that much
Backing off weakly on his scumbuddy because it wasn't necessary to sacrifice him here just yet. It's interesting to note how he jumps on Shiao so strongly, yet hasn't commented on Yamato's posts at all in quite some time. His #1 scumread is forgotten. He hasn't even responded to any posts Mr. CC made either, which is another one of his suspects.
On April 27 2013 05:54 BloodyC0bbler wrote:
On April 27 2013 05:44 VisceraEyes wrote:
On April 27 2013 05:43 BloodyC0bbler wrote: VE I am willing to swap my vote but I want to wait a few more hours on Yamato to actually respond. Because well, if he responds insanely badly I will want him lynched instead / give us required night period to ensure he gets vigied.
I would attest that he's already responded insanely badly.
As would I, however its also selfish as I want to have the night period one I can actually talk if required. If we end it now, I can only ensure being around for 4-5 hours of it at most and thats pushing it alot.
Hold on hold on hold on VE I don't actually want Yamato lynched I just want to pressure him!
So eventually, Yamato responds to the case. BC's response:
On April 27 2013 07:11 BloodyC0bbler wrote:
On April 27 2013 07:08 yamato77 wrote:
On April 27 2013 07:06 BloodyC0bbler wrote:
On April 27 2013 07:04 VisceraEyes wrote: Ace why are you focusing on the wagons? Why not outlying voters?
I recognize i am not ace. However I would hazard a guess its this. By focusing on the wagons and clearing them of the mafia on them you end up with a list of confirmed or semi confirmed players as town. IE it does two things at once.
BC, what do you say to my response?
Since you're obviously here, reading.
still mulling it over. I am happy I waited to let you respond rather than trying to lynch you while you were gone however.
Does this look like someone who was 100% convinced Yamato was scum? No. He never actually gets back to it either. There's one point in his favour and that's that he calls both Clarity and Shiao likely mafia, but he knew they were likely to die. He didn't have enough towncred to prevent it, and he wouldn't be able to save them anyway so he just went with the flow, as BC has been doing the entire game. Following thread sentiment.
So the cobbler has been pretty inactive for a while from here, only making a few posts here and there that essentially say nothing. Thus, VE calls him out.
On April 28 2013 23:03 VisceraEyes wrote: Problem I see with BC is that yamato's play is genuinely bad for yamato if he's town and I can see BC thinking yamato is scum based on what's in the thread. However I agree that BC will generally take a long-view of the game and produce more targets. What I find most interesting however was around the D2 lynch...when Ace and I were arguing between Shiao and Clarity, BC had nothing to add one way or the other...he was content to just sit, watch and eventually cast his vote.
I'm waiting to see what BC brings to the table D3 before making a judgement on him.
And pronto, BC shits out a few reads on lurkers that would surprise absolutely no one.
On April 29 2013 02:18 BloodyC0bbler wrote: BC's List of people who should be shot/checked/lynched. This list is created based on many variables. My belief is all are scum/third party given current information pool.
Stutters. He replaced for DrH. DrH made 0 posts and since stutters replaced in he has made basically none as well. He has promised detailed posts that have not come and he defended clarity and attempted to push lynch towards shiao. Without Shiaos flip I cannot say if this was a 100% scum move. However given the flip of clarity + the activity level of stutters and his lack of real involvement while around makes me say scum.
Artanis[xp]. This guy is intriguing. He has since joining the game replacing drazak done a lot of defending VE, made a lot of excuses of "lazy and haven't read up on x players, or filtered my main scum reads" Aside from not being overly helpful in terms of pushing the lynch along or even voting at all. The conversations he has had in thread are very superficial and easily left unnoticed as if hes attempting to be appear active without being active.
hopeless1nder. He has done absolutely nothing this game. His biggest reads are "sharrant is scum" who if i recall properly was one of the first people to heavily push clarity, when his biggest reason for sharrant is scum is based on one specific read he has. He also ignored clarity almost completely as someone to talk about because of his read on sharrant. Given that clarity was also talked about by Ace, VE, and the like it should be at least something he mentions when he votes.
Yamato. I have stated many things about this guy. I am not the only person who has called him out for his performance. Anyone who finds this suspicious or odd of me should more be asking "why does bc still have this guy as a scum read" when the answer is very clear in his filter.
Sylencia. To many weird posts. I can't explain them in the least and they just have a feeling of "off"
On April 27 2013 10:05 Sylencia wrote: Clarity hasn't been here for 72 hours now .. in which case I'd much rather go for the kill on Shiao today. I won't be around for much today (though I guess you could argue I haven't been around too much), since I'm going to be at a LAN tournament, but I'll try sneak a peek at the topic whenever I can.
##Vote ShiaoPi
This for one is very weird to me. I say this because the reasoning to push the lynch onto Shiao is just weird. We don't know if he will get modkilled so pushing the lynch off to someone else is imo scummy. I also view it as a defense move of clarity. This alone is not enough for me to say scum however when I looked through his filter and found
On April 25 2013 01:28 Sylencia wrote: CC - Kush Town Voted Getmoript due to wishy washyness Unvoted due to incident. Leaned towards oats based on effort. Wants to lynch ShiaoPi Sharrent Town read Note: Mentions being town billions of times
WaveOfShadow: VE Town Read Voted Getmoript due to answer dodging Unvoted due to incident. Becomes a bit suspicious of VE due to lack of posting. Sharrant town read Suspicious of ShiaoPi due to attack on Sharrant Reinforced Sharrant town read
grush: bandwagons yamato suspects gigyas due to bandwagon. a lot of off topic comments
Note: I'm suspicious of grush here for his hypocritical reasoning:
On April 24 2013 04:42 grush57 wrote: Gigyas
He literally reposts what others say a page later and contributes jack shit to get on a bandwagon between 2 town players, yamato and oats. He also screams scummy through the power of starsenses.
Yet his bandwagon:
On April 23 2013 05:01 grush57 wrote: I guess I didn't because I'm not sure yet of who to lynch and who would get lynched. I would glady do it though.
When asked about whether he would vote Yamato.
Tube: ???
Drazak: Has posted, but has never returned since.
Giygas: Suspected Oats due to attitude and lack of posts. Hopeless not suspected as scum Sharrant town read Would've supported yamato lynch if hammertime.
Sylencia: Semi-suspected TRN due to the rayn defense provided Suspects Rayn due to inconsistent statements about miller lynch / scum suspicion of BM Wagoned on Oats due to lack of town contribution from Oats.
VisceraEyes: Early on uneasy about Palmar. Voted getmoript for bad case against yamato (?) Suspected yamato due to "Oh well you know my posting was INTENTIONALLY bad". types of posts voted BM due to his response to BC (quote is below)
On April 23 2013 07:51 Bill Murray wrote: first off, i was just scum with him, and i don't think he's scum this game what makes the bolded so bad? i don't see it. that's actually when it started getting a more lilting tone, and felt like he was trying to be big-papa-bear, to me
Note: I don't see what is so bad about this post in general, apparently it comes off as antagonistic.
Switches to yamato a few hours later without ever mentioning BM again, despite already getting a response from him and being responded to with a request for an explanation. Says he can get behind an Oats lynch. Only now does he decide to actually read yamato's filter. (Vote was originally pure omgus) switches to oats for original suspicion of oats (2 points above)
Note: Reading the filter and looking at some of the points in context such as the argument for BM has made me feel rather suspicious towards VE.
Now, I will continue going through everyone's filters for their suspicions and other points tomorrow if I am still alive (public holiday hooray), but from what I have seen as of so far, I would like opinions on VE and grush (am I missing something about grush gameplay here?)
Also, I fully know well that filter dive posts doesn't show anything about alignment, so no need to mention that too thx
This is a summary post. It is a very fucked up way to play and imo does not help at all in the slightest. It summarizes some peoples play at that point in the game. The thing that stands out most to me however is that he chose tube. Why would you add a player who has not posted at all as a player to summarize? Given the awkwardness of its structure / how it says nothing new at all I feel it + the previous post I quoted are pretty damning.
WaveofShadow. This guy has been discussed a bunch already. I feel he has to be dealt with because of his claim. The only way I am comfortable with him not dying is if he seriously steps up and plays solidly and gives me a reason to think of him as a miller and not confirmed scum.
Look at this part on Yamato. It's not telling people why they should lynch Yamato, it's telling people "I'm not scum because I have reasons for my suspicion on him!" In no way does this push Yamato in any way, it's just his justification for finding him scummy. So it turns out BC didn't find Yamato's response satisfactory, yet he never bothered to respond to it. Why not? Because he didn't want it in the limelight.
On April 29 2013 09:15 BloodyC0bbler wrote:
On April 29 2013 09:14 Ace wrote: BC ignore Palmar for now. I've got my sights on yamato and VE. where are yours?
Yamato and stutters. VE normally can't fool my senses this hard as scum. I can see him as 3p but not scum.
So now BC's main suspects are Yamato and Stutters. What did BC say about Stutters again?
Stutters. He replaced for DrH. DrH made 0 posts and since stutters replaced in he has made basically none as well. He has promised detailed posts that have not come and he defended clarity and attempted to push lynch towards shiao. Without Shiaos flip I cannot say if this was a 100% scum move. However given the flip of clarity + the activity level of stutters and his lack of real involvement while around makes me say scum.
He already said that he didn't know where Stutters stood until Shiao flipped. Earlier in the game, he indicated that he suspected both Shiao and Clarity, yet surprisingly Shiao disappeared from his to be shot list. BC has not forgotten about him clearly since he mentions that Shiao is still alive, yet he wants to kill Stutters for derailing a lynch from a person he thought was scum to a person he knows is scum. Other than that, the only reason he pushes Stutters is inactivity. Yet it's his second strongest suspect? Why? And where did Mr. CC go in all of this? Nowhere does BC explain that read evolving.
dts already know the checks of eachother. Makes more sense to make mafia wifom and check some of those checks who are still alive and confirm eachothers checks.
That way you can semi confirm eachothers sanities via eachothers checks. It also means its harder for mafia to frame successfully.
Also OO why would I be backed into a corner? I know I am town, I know Palmars check means 1) I am a miller and he is sane 2) I am town and was framed and he is sane 3) He is insane/paranoid 4) he is mafia.
Given that we don't know his sanity, also given that he was receiving a large amount of doubt on his alignment, given that I know I was rb'ed n1 and he claims he was yet we only have one claim of it n2 and that looks fishy as fuck I am more inclined to think hes mafia.
He promised to analyze me and instead pops out with a "im a cop with a red check". Given his experience it was a terrible play and thus again solidifies him as red in my mind.
CC's counter claim was odd given how fast it came out, as was VE's. I would guess one or both of these two are legit dts and the other could be a fake.
Aside from all this dt plotting nonsense I think its clear we have no vigi's and if we have a jack he's holding his abilities back for some reason.
We should still be looking at whos likely scum. Throughout all this nonsense I still have strong suspicions on stutters, artanis, hopeless and until Palmar does more than be a massive troll, hes on there as well.
Where did Yamato go? Why are Hopeless and me suddenly on the list? It looks like he has 6 players on a list and just randomly RNGs which one he mentions next. No justification, no reason why Yamato is missing and why myself or hopeless is suddenly on the list.
What's also interesting is his soft pushing of Palmar. He mentions Palmar a lot in his filter and argues with him a bit, but he never actually pushes for his lynch. It's the same in this post. "Until Palmar does more than be a massive troll, hes on there as well." This is not a push by any means, it just provides an easy scapegoat later. "Look, I did accuse him!"
On April 30 2013 22:27 BloodyC0bbler wrote: OK so as I have been thinking recently.
We know there is one jailkeeper running around. We know there are 3 dt claims(one now dead) We know there is one mason still masoning, and one who is dead We know we have 1 dead miller and 1 claimed miller(wos) We know a mafia vig and a mafia framer are dead We know a second rb happened n1. This means a) palmar is lying b) I am lying c) An inactive town is a jailkeeper and has been mia for all nights since.
Given 2 millers, 1 framer. I find it extremely unlikely that we have two dts who have fucked up sanities. Insane is very easy to prove, as is insane. We know based on checks that obviousone is town, and palmar has a guilty check on him, I know I am town and he has a guilty check on me. Given that we have only been seeing 1 rb since n1 and joats can't rb as a power I am inclined to say Palmar is scum.
We know 100% that shiaopi is scum based on CC however I believe Palmar should be dealt with next at this time.
"Please don't kill my scumbuddy jailer yet, I'd like to roleblock another detective and lynch one before we do that."
On May 01 2013 05:19 BloodyC0bbler wrote:
On May 01 2013 05:17 VisceraEyes wrote:
On May 01 2013 05:13 BloodyC0bbler wrote:
On April 30 2013 22:40 TheRavensName wrote:
On April 30 2013 22:31 BloodyC0bbler wrote:
On April 30 2013 22:30 TheRavensName wrote: [quote] Who was the second RB night 1? I only recall seeing Palmar.
Me
Ah I see... Well that works then. Truth be told i think it fits a bit with how hes acted. Even the QT, which is probably kinda eh evidence, would lend to this: He wouldn't want to push a case that isn't being discussed actively as it would make him stand out too much no matter the flip. If he is 3rd party, he could have overlapped a shot with the mafia or taken a hit and claimed Roleblocked to safely explain both. Kinda surprised you didn't mention this before today though like on day 3 when we only had 1 roleblock and people were saying at least one cop had to be fake.
I claimed this day 2 -_-
BC I'm rooting for you to win in the upcoming match! Ace looks way more townie though, but he tried to oppose my ShiaoPi lynch, and verily called him town for two days. I have faith that if you're townie you'll make me see it soon enough. In the meantime know that I'm pulling for you.
Why would I care about Ace in said argue match? He is clearly not mafia in my books. He could be 3p but forcing a lynch onto a scum from another scum when both were insanely inactive and useless doesn't scream like a scum move. That screams like ace liking his lynch choice more than anyone else.
I think I have made it insanely clear that Palmar is scum or 3p at this point. His actions don't make sense in any way from a town standpoint.
So just a while back Palmar was scum until he stopped trolling, and now he's scum or 3p for sure. BC knew Palmar wasn't going to change, he just wanted some time before he actually called him scum. Not that he actually pushes for anyone, mind you. He just continues to spend his time defending himself and talking setup/mechanics rather than actually pushing anyone. A trend he has had the entire game.
BC then goes into inactivity and just posts a bunch of oneliner replies to questions without any real content or purpose. There's no force behind anything. He's playing meek. Oh yeah, remember about Yamato being 100% scum?
On May 01 2013 09:23 BloodyC0bbler wrote:
On May 01 2013 09:19 VisceraEyes wrote:
On May 01 2013 09:17 BloodyC0bbler wrote:
On May 01 2013 09:12 VisceraEyes wrote:
On May 01 2013 09:10 VisceraEyes wrote: BC: Palmar or Yamato - who gets the lynch tomorrow and why?
I believe I have summed up before in earlier posts about my suspicions of him no?
If you need a new summary
He has done basically nothing to help the town He appears to only be doing what he does for shits and giggles He claimed DT with one red check purely to get me lynched when he knows dts can have sanity issues He has promised analysis and never delivered I believe because of these things he is scum
On April 26 2013 06:00 BloodyC0bbler wrote:
On April 26 2013 05:58 VisceraEyes wrote: So is there a reason Yamato is a better lynch than Ace or Palmar to you?
Because I feel Yamato is 100% scum whereas the other two could be scum or third party. Of those two I would lynch Palmar first though
What has changed?
Yamato is trying in some varying degree so I feel I could be wrong now. Instead of 100% im more sitting on like 80% whereas Palmar's behaviour since just before and everything after his cop claim has just been insanely scumlike. I believe there is a strong possibility of both being scum, however in this case I feel Palmar's play has been far more scummy.
So he's only 80% sure of Yamato being scum now. Given that he named 4 names earlier and Yamato wasn't one of them anymore (me, Hopeless, Stutters and Palmar), that must mean he was more than 80% sure on the four of us. Strange given there are only 2 scum players left.
On May 01 2013 09:32 BloodyC0bbler wrote: Keep in mind VE, I still think Yamato is very likely to flip mafia, I just believe Palmar is going to flip mafia for sure.
HE'S SO CERTAIN YET HE'S NOT PUSHING ANYONE STRONGLY, HE'S JUST ANSWERING RANDOM QUESTIONS ABOUT PLAYERS
Then there's this.
On May 01 2013 09:35 BloodyC0bbler wrote:
On May 01 2013 09:33 Ace wrote:
On May 01 2013 09:31 BloodyC0bbler wrote:
On May 01 2013 00:36 yamato77 wrote: The narrative I've managed to work out in my head feels rather conspiracy-theorist, so I'm not sure if I'm right or not. Wishy washy stances, yeah yeah, but it's something I've been thinking about since the syl flip.
So assuming Shiao is mafia, that makes the day 2 wagons BOTH mafia. People that felt there was little difference between them would be largely absolved, in my opinion. What would then be strange were the two people who argued over the two of them, VE and Ace.
As I said before, there is a clear scum motivation in saving Shiao and bussing Clarity, because Clarity was likely to be mod killed anyway and highly inactive. Ace proposes that this lost the scum team 2 KP, and it did, but it actually served to SAVE a scum member, since before Ace's push, Shiao was the one getting lynched. Some time in day 2, people began to realize just how inactive Clarity was, and it became apparent that he was more than likely to be mod killed. So the Clarity bus, assuming Shiao is mafia, is actually making the best out of a shit situation.
Ace also argues in his filter that the scum team would have pushed an alternative target, but people fail to realize that this person was me. Thread sentiment has been against me the entire game, and even the way Ace develops his suspicion of me on day 1 is worth looking at. And on day 2, there is no shortage of referring to me being a possible lynch candidate in Ace's filter.
What adds on to this for me is that his metric for determining the better lynch between Clarity/Shiao is somewhat suspect. Most of it no longer applies, because in knowing that Clarity was scum, and Shiao was scum, we realize that him not voting his scum buddy in the time he was there is not weird whatsoever. The VCA that "scummy people" from the Oats wagon were on the Shiao wagon is also complete bullshit, and I've been over that before.
Another thing is the choice of NK, CC. His check was the one on Shiao, and it was this check that Ace wanted to argue against, that CC was suspicious for his claim and not to be trusted. Later, he goes on to about face once he realizes people are believing CC and plays along with this whole thing, but he's still disruptive in the sense that he wanted cops to check each other, which CC was obviously against from a look at his filter. So with VE complying, and Palmar being a wildcard and under some suspicion, he NK's the cop everyone believes that isn't following his circle jerk plan.
Shiao flipping a scum largely invalidates the largest part of why people should believe Ace as town, which were his day 2 actions with the lynch. When you eliminate that, which is a large portion of his actual contribution this game, his filter devolves significantly, and you're left with a lot of arguing with people and insulting others, along with bullying people for their read on him.
So yeah, Ace could definitely be scum.
A mafia player could attempt to do this, however a post like this is also something I would expect out of a town player as well. Is it the best contribution? No, and do I agree with it? No. However I would say this is actually a "trying" post.
BC stop it. You know beyond a shadow of a doubt that was one of the dumbest posts in this thread. Come on rofl.
I personally find the dumbest posts in the thread are from townies lol. Mafia teams have people to go "don't say that you fucking retard"
I don't agree with the post but seriously its hard to see a mafia making it. However the like 4 - 5 pages of his filter before that are all "im mafia posts" -_-
OO already mentioned why this was noteworthy, but I'll post it again.
On April 24 2013 04:01 yamato77 wrote: So why didn't we lynch BC?
And why did Vivax apparently post an intentionally misleading votecount?
And why did people not listen to me and not hammer Oats?
And why did Clarity apparently not care that town was lynching someone he didn't want to lynch?
And why did no one decide to listen to the only person who gave a fuck about who we were lynching yesterday?
uuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuugggggggggggghhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh
You don't lynch BC because he was right about who he pegged. You don't listen to you because you are scum. Clarity is likely not town thus he doesnt give to shits, and I have no clue why no one decided to listen to me.
Can I ask what your schedule is? It'd be nice to know when you're actually in the game. I guess people didn't lynch yamato cause, uh, you weren't there to provide better reasons or at least motivation to lynch him over Oats?
I am aroundish till 9ish tonight, gone from then till sometime mid thursday afternoon, gone friday morning, gone sat morning and likely all saturday if plans stay as they are, gone sunday morning possibly afternoon/evening.
I am busy. Nor should I have to be around to tell people how to make obvious choices. Yamato has done sweet fuck all. He trolled, spewed anti town shite, and only "contributed" when he was close to death. He calls oats scum then blindly comes out of no where and says he doesn't want to off him, says he wants to off ve for voting oats (which was thread sentiment) then attacks me blindly as well. He has done nothing productive. He has done basically nothing useful. The lynch on him vanished for no reason than oats was brought up as a lynch on shitty reasons.
Towns need to realize how to step back and think about situations.
Yamato and Palmar probably made the worst posts in the game according to BC, yet he just said the people who make the dumbest posts are town. That's pretty... interesting. This game, Palmar is pretty much playing lynchbait for the heck of it, and it's plain as day to see. However, he has a reputation as a vet. The two combined makes it easy for people to push him. Given most of the vets are still alive, it's easy for BC to push into him. A logical choice that, once again, follows town sentiment.
Tl;dr 1. BC has tunneled Yamato from his first post, yet never pushed him strongly. 2. BC's reads barely evolve and when they do, they're never/poorly explained. 3. BC treated the people that flipped scum very differently from the people that haven't, being far more willing to push them when town sentiment shifts. 4. BC's case on Yamato was godawful and looked more like trying to contribute than anything else. No conviction. 5. BC has followed town sentiment to the T. 6. BC spends more time answering random questions than actually pushing his candidates. 7. BC doesn't give a shit about who actually gets lynched, as long as he doesn't look suspicious.
The cobbler is scum. It is time for the cobbler to get cobbled to death. ##Unvote ##Vote Bloodyc0bbler
Side note, I like the case, I think it seems pretty solid But I am young and impressionable by pretty looking things. I want to wait and see someone else who is much better then me analyse it and see if they can poke any holes in it.Only reason I dislike it is because that means I'm wrong about palmar and that makes me sad.
On April 21 2013 23:02 VisceraEyes wrote: THANKS FOR MAKING ME HAVE TO READ THE DAMNED OP BH THAT WAS COOL OF YOU NOT
Sup guys I'm here and I'm very town. So whazzup?
only town would complain about having to read the op (because the role names weren't colored)
I am gonna vote for shiaopi. I don't want to go for clarity because now Ace is pushing it. A very similar thing happened yesterday. Yamato was the popular lynch, then Ace pushed Oats, claiming the case on Oats was really good (even though in retrospect it sucked).
On April 30 2013 09:37 kushm4sta wrote: I will not vote for shiaopi or cc ever. I think they are both town.
On April 30 2013 10:11 kushm4sta wrote: eh ill vote shiao if he got a red check
Technically, Shiao never got a red check. He got a green check from insane cop, little bit of a slip perhaps? Kush actually semi defends Clarity by trying to descedit Ace for pushing him and then saying he will stay on Shiao, but then refuses to vote for him or CC, until a red check happens on Shiao. Why? Because he saw a chance to save Shiao after Clarity flipped.
Fast forward all of a sudden he is for no real clear reason okay with lynching palmar? Why? Go into his filter and search for it using palmar, everything he sas about him is defending him using things like this:
On May 01 2013 09:04 kushm4sta wrote: this is scum? i dont think so
On April 27 2013 18:58 Palmar wrote: Still think VE is the best lynch.
But I do agree with a clarity lynch. I still don't understand how he entered the thread "catching up" and then had a fully fledged case within an hour. There was additionally no interest in pushing that lynch any harder. There is literally not a single "sharrant" in his filter after the case.
It just doesn't feel natural. He didn't ask Sharrant anything to try to determine his alignment, no "hey sharrant, explain this" or "what do you think about this". Just a straight up case with no build-up and no follow-up. Which basically tells me his heart wasn't really in it.
So with that I'm switching my vote to Clarity.
Lessgo.
Ace pointed out that Shiao was likely to have put at least one of his scum team mates in his scum reads, I think its likely he put them both in the third party reads knowing that third party can look just as much like town with a little bit of misreading and no real evidence of a third party that a vigi couldn't also explain.
On March 30 2013 14:02 TheRavensName wrote: I have a question about Serial Poisioner sense I've never seen one before. If you block the kill, say with a medic or jailer, do you have to block it the day it would go out, or the next day when it triggers?
During the night of poisoning a roleblock on the SP will stop the attack. Protection does not work here During the night of the death (one night later) a protection on the target will not protect it.
To clarify: you cannot medic an SP shot, only roleblock.
I actually do kinda agree that its not a bad idea to lynch Ace so we can use the jailer to try and save people. It would also give us another night hit to analyze.
On May 03 2013 09:01 Artanis[Xp] wrote: BM, once you've caught up could you tell me your thoughts on BC, Palmar, Hopeless, Ace and if you have any scumspects outside of these, those would be great too. Going to bed now.
i still remember like 100 pages worth of this game not a lot will change unless i catch a slip... i haven't caught anything major, yet
hopeless1der i dont remember seeing much of, would love to lynch there unless he has a good claim.
need someone to compile claims
Palmar is still claiming DT? have to keep tabs on him
BC is being BC-behind-the-scenes, so I'm LEANING UMBRIDGE, but he could be the town mason, or in the mason group
Well i''m not sure I like how BC and BM just brought each other up when they were not the current subjects of debate. But, I think I would almost rather lynch ace to free up our jailer and get enough night hit to look at
On May 03 2013 21:50 Artanis[Xp] wrote: TRN, why almost? Ace is objectively the best lynch today because it'll free up our JK which will screw with scum's shots on townies because they can't be certain they can shoot the towniest looking player.
Because we are still not sure theres a second mafia vigi... but I think even if their isn't, we can give our jailer an excuse to try and save people as opposed to waste it blocking what the town thinks is a SP anyways.
When I commented that we were running out of objectively scummy shit to talk about, that wasn't supposed to be like some kind of conscious or subconscious cue to start doing objectively scummy things.
/justsayin
I suppose next your going to tell us we need to just consolidate and get this day over with arn't you?
On May 03 2013 22:36 Artanis[Xp] wrote: Guys. Seriously, there isn't a second scum vigi because I seriously doubt scum would have the balls to save their vigi for D5, and they've already had 3 strong power roles flip including a vigi. The setup would be pretty rediculously scum favoured if there was another scum vigi when town gets none.
Ace is confirmed 3rd party. Lynching him frees up our JK, which means he can protect townies rather than stop Ace from firing which means we get potentially more days and forces scum to guess who won't get protected so they can't shoot who they want to without risk.
Lynch Ace I'm just going to afk now until Ace is lynched, unless someone actually brings up something I've missed which I highly doubt.
How can you be so bad at reading? How many times have I explained it now. If scum have a second vigi they fired it on night 2. It would look exactly like Ace was the serial poisoner. HOW MANY TIMES HAS THIS BEEN SAID? Honestly, it's so frustrating.
Lynching Ace right now gives the mafia an extra kill that we only have a chance to block, this isn't including things like a jail keeper may jail a doctor if we have one which means we potentially waste a lynch AND gain nothing for it.
I want to lynch Hopeless, and then if he flips red, you hang next. That should be all the mafia, then Ace can die.
If Hopeless isn't mafia, I'll look into everyone else again, but you're defending him by pushing the lynch off of him, giving mafia an extra night's worth of kills.
That's why I ninja voted Hopeless. If you're not mafia, Hopeless, I'm sorry. But Artanis is doing a good job of making you look like you are.
By that logic, you lynch freaken Artanis, not Hopeless.
Also, you really think we have a jailer, a medic, 2 masons , and 3 cops? Thats crazy. No, our one protection role is wasted chillling on ace which means Mafia knows that they can kill whoever they want.
Okay... so if Jailer dies tonight, why do you want to leave the SP alive Sharrant? if theres even a chace the jailer can die, we need to lynch ace because if we don't were stuck with an extra night kill we could have avoided. Its a fucking huge risk to leave alive because the jailer dieing actually cost us 2 instead of one, plus then we haveto lynch ace anyways.
I would actually say letting Ace live helps the Mafia more then the town, if nothing else because hes an easy lynch to push just for being him, and the fact that the jailer can't move to block while stuck on him as well as if ace manages to get a shot off, there is a much higher chance of hitting a townie then scum. All in all, leaving ace alive hurts us more then helps.
On May 04 2013 00:30 Sharrant wrote: Role block should go through regardless of jailers death, unless set up is modified in a way I don't know. If jailer dies, lynch ace. No deaths will occur from ace unless jk spends a night not rbing him, or we leave him alive for a night after jk dies.
But if you want to lynch him as soon as the jailer is dead anyways, why not just do it now and let the jailer try to block? Thers no reason to leave him alive to kill him later if were just going to literally kill him later.
On May 04 2013 00:49 Stutters695 wrote: I don't give a shit about town cred because if you can't tell I'm town you've obviously either never played with me or are looking for an "easy" mislynch.
On May 03 2013 04:32 Hopeless1der wrote: why the fuck is ace in that list?
Should I care with which order I lynch anti-town elements in this game?
Yes considering Ace's KP is controlled atm
Only if you assume the JK plays along with our plan, and mafia doesn't already know who he is. If I can figure it out, I'm sure they aren't that stupid.
The only exception to the following is thus: You think Ace is mafia and bussed 2 of his teammates, and possibly a third.
No, it's quite demonstrably anti-town to lynch Ace. It's been explained several times. There are three situations where you lynch Ace:
One: At least one night before LyLo.
Two: If the jailer dies to a night kill. Even if the jailer dies to a night kill, Ace will still be RB'ed and thus cannot kill anyone, and he can be lynched without losing any townies.
Three: We have 5 dead mafia and the game has not ended.
Why do you people not understand this?
Ace is not in any way shape or form confirmed third party. He is the only candidate that could be third party (aside from a survivor) but lynching him is ANTI-TOWN.
Lynching him now means we give another night to the mafia members in return for ABSOLUTELY NOTHING. Unless our jailer pops up and goes "I'm not RB'ing Ace tonight" then there's no reason to lynch him.
On top of that, IT'S ENTIRELY POSSIBLE HE'S NOT THIRD PARTY. If there's a scum Vigi still left alive (which is just as likely in my books as Ace being mafia just due to set up analysis) it would explain the exact same scenario we are in. So anyone not looking at that like it's a possibility is either not using their brain, or is mafia trying to push an agenda.
Whether or not he's third party, it is not good town play to lynch him. He still may be town, and either way he's one of the stronger analysts in the game. I'd rather have the counsel of a man who knows he is doomed to lose, than potentially kill a townie AND waste time not killing mafia when Ace is already a completely solved situation.
TLDR; There's never a situation in which Ace kills a townie unless our jailer dies AND we spend the following day not lynching Ace. Ace is a bad lynch today.
I don't want to have to argue this anymore, I'm going to go read stuff, and if anyone tries to dispute this and cannot prove even a single specific scenario where this breaks down, I will just assume you're mafia and go from there because you will be pushing anti-town agendas with the knowledge that it has no benefit to town, and only helps mafia.
I know it's not necessarily alignment-indicative that you basically hard-defended him all day since he's 3p and all and doesn't have teammates, but why were you so goddamned stubborn?
I would actually say it looks fairly bad for him he stopped being so duper scum hunter Sharrant and kinda made it through on his town cred, and comes back when its used up only to hard defend the guyits probably better if Mafia kept alive. Thats just me though.
On May 04 2013 01:09 Artanis[Xp] wrote: As expected. Tomorrow, we lynch the cobbler. JK, whoever you are, assign a value on everyone based on the likeliness you think of them getting hit, then RNG between it. (for example. 50% player A 25% player B 25% player C, you RNG from 1-4 and on 1-2 you protect player A, 3 player B, 4 player C). Hopeless, case on TRN please. Everyone else, no opinions on TRN please. Let Hopeless make up his own mind.
On May 04 2013 07:09 Bill Murray wrote: wheres lupin
This made me kinda think of something. Are we taking OO as town just because of that cop check? if hes GF that would be very unwise. Given that we have 2 millers, a framer, and 3ish cops 9you haven't flipped yet palmar) isn't that something we should consider?
On May 03 2013 09:01 Artanis[Xp] wrote: BM, once you've caught up could you tell me your thoughts on BC, Palmar, Hopeless, Ace and if you have any scumspects outside of these, those would be great too. Going to bed now.
i still remember like 100 pages worth of this game not a lot will change unless i catch a slip... i haven't caught anything major, yet
hopeless1der i dont remember seeing much of, would love to lynch there unless he has a good claim.
need someone to compile claims
Palmar is still claiming DT? have to keep tabs on him
BC is being BC-behind-the-scenes, so I'm LEANING UMBRIDGE, but he could be the town mason, or in the mason group
Ace is probably town
BM... wheres our explination on why BC is an umbridge?
I dunno, I think one of the lurkers has to be scum at this point. What happened to Sharrant and Giggles? They look way worse then anyone else to me right now for just how little they are actually doing, followed by stutters and Hopeless.
i'm personally not a fan of how Artanis is saying we shouldn't lynch two of the most supicious people in the thread until were at a mislynch and lose. Kinda suggests to me hes scum with one of them/someone unlikely to be lynched and its an easy way to avoid killing them and its a crappy plan to cause a mislynch when at lylo.
On May 05 2013 05:53 TheRavensName wrote: i'm personally not a fan of how Artanis is saying we shouldn't lynch two of the most supicious people in the thread until were at a mislynch and lose. Kinda suggests to me hes scum with one of them/someone unlikely to be lynched and its an easy way to avoid killing them and its a crappy plan to cause a mislynch when at lylo.
1. I'm not saying we wait until MYLO, I'm saying we wait until 1 lynch before M/LYLO so we'll have time to lynch both. 2. I'm pretty much confirmed town to anyone that has read the thread.
No. No your not. NO ONE is confirmed town until thy flip green. Anyone who has to insist that they are so townie when they are not about to be hammered is scummy for it.
On May 05 2013 13:19 Sharrant wrote: Whether or not it happened, to discount scum jailing one of their own on day as "very improbable" is unwise in my opinion. Jailer claiming would give us one confirmed townie, then a dead townie the following night and no protection from that point on. And it wouldn't give us another confirmed townie because scum no doubt put more than two seconds thought into their night one jail.
If they did that, they'd first come to your conclusion, and then realize that they only had probably 1/3 chance of hitting a role that would be hampered by a role block, and that they could use their own roleblock for town cred.
Now it doesn't matter whether they did that or not, because just the fact that they could have done that means that you can't confirm a second person from a jailer claim. Thus I urge the jailer not to claim.
Yes, you can, because scum wouldn't jail their own N1. Stopping a cop/other jailer is so much more important than the "town cred" from a N1 roleblock.
Then how do you explain both of the people roleblocked on night one being alive? Surely if a vet would be considered confirmed town after such an action, the mafia would have had to kill him as quickly as possible, even if they were a mislynch possibility just based on the fact that the jailer could claim.
The jailer wouldn't claim until a situation like this, and the chances of the jailer and the scum target both being alive, plus the scum jailer dead at this point in the game are relatively low. All of those things are required for this to be successful. You don't go in to a game, especially on N1 after a mislynch, assuming that your roleblock could somehow later on confirm a townie. You go in trying to stop a cop or a JK from getting off their night actions. It's not that difficult to understand.
You're making this far too complicated. It's simple. Town JK roleblocked someone night 1, and he did it trying to protect them. That says nothing about their alignment. Scum used JK on someone night 1 trying to stop a night action, and that makes that person CONFIRMED not mafia.
Sharrant kinda brings up a good point though. Why wouldn't they off whoever was protected then?
On May 06 2013 03:18 Artanis[Xp] wrote: Sharrant, you're breakin mah balls man, breakin mah balls. I really feel like the Town JK should claim here now that both BC and Palmar are back on the table. It'll at least help clear one of them.
HOW THE FUCK is BLUE BAITING SAVING EITHER OF THEM?
God my heads killing me so I'm going to go lie down. Please don't hammer anyone too son. Personally, I'm less inclined to believe a Hopeless and BC lynch as being a good idea, In fact of any of the active players, I still just have a bad reaction to palmar. I would rather fcus on someone like Giggles. At the very least it should be waited for WoS to respond to the accusations against him.
On May 06 2013 07:11 yamato77 wrote: I feel it highly unlikely that scum-WoS (a first time mafia player) would be as active as he has been, nor do I feel it likely that he would have the balls to claim miller as mafia, either.
I agreed with you at the time, but there's a few things that don't add up. -There's Rayn mentioning him on D2 as someone to look into the next day. He dies N2. -His filter pushes a scum agenda. Has defended scum, then backtracked when they were looking poor. -A lot of his comments felt off to me when scrolling through his filter. I don't know if it's how WoS always posts, but there's this defensive aura about him. -Dropping out completely activity wise recently. He hasn't even posted the past two days. BM and Getmoript pointed out a few things as well. I think he deserves a closer look and I want that closer look before the day ends.
1) WIFOM-y as hell. I already mentioned that they lynched him to make me look bad; was the whole reasoning for me having to miller claim. If you'd read my filter you'd know that I already explained this. 2) Hard defended who? Clarity? Yes, I admitted to have been wrong about him. Yes, I backtracked, because I wanted to get my thoughts out about why I felt I was wrong. What other mafia have I defended? Hell did I ever defend Ace either? What about me constantly pushing Shiao? This is being really selective. 3) I dunno, not much to say about that. 4) I was angry and needed a break.
Not even going to bother defending myself against geript's posting because once again, as always, it's overreaching.
Go ahead and take as close a look as you need but honestly if you really feel like I'm on the block for today above any of the other suspects then I don't know what to say. I'll be able to get back into it a little more later tonight and tomorrow if there are any other outstanding issues people have with me.
On May 06 2013 07:11 yamato77 wrote: I feel it highly unlikely that scum-WoS (a first time mafia player) would be as active as he has been, nor do I feel it likely that he would have the balls to claim miller as mafia, either.
I agreed with you at the time, but there's a few things that don't add up. -There's Rayn mentioning him on D2 as someone to look into the next day. He dies N2. -His filter pushes a scum agenda. Has defended scum, then backtracked when they were looking poor. -A lot of his comments felt off to me when scrolling through his filter. I don't know if it's how WoS always posts, but there's this defensive aura about him. -Dropping out completely activity wise recently. He hasn't even posted the past two days. BM and Getmoript pointed out a few things as well. I think he deserves a closer look and I want that closer look before the day ends.
1) WIFOM-y as hell. I already mentioned that they lynched him to make me look bad; was the whole reasoning for me having to miller claim. If you'd read my filter you'd know that I already explained this. 2) Hard defended who? Clarity? Yes, I admitted to have been wrong about him. Yes, I backtracked, because I wanted to get my thoughts out about why I felt I was wrong. What other mafia have I defended? Hell did I ever defend Ace either? What about me constantly pushing Shiao? This is being really selective. 3) I dunno, not much to say about that. 4) I was angry and needed a break.
Not even going to bother defending myself against geript's posting because once again, as always, it's overreaching.
Go ahead and take as close a look as you need but honestly if you really feel like I'm on the block for today above any of the other suspects then I don't know what to say. I'll be able to get back into it a little more later tonight and tomorrow if there are any other outstanding issues people have with me.
1. Bullshit! You claimed Miller before Rayn died.
Did I? Guess you're right. This game is taking too long. Oh well reasoning is essentially the same, they tried to frame me by killing Rayn after we had a huge back-and-forth.
On April 29 2013 06:20 WaveofShadow wrote: So no one decided to vig I assume. Lol obvious attempt to frame me even though I clearly called Rayn town throughout my arguing with him last night. Alright when I get back later tonight as promised I will be doing everything in my power to prevent a wasted lynch on me. You guys are still welcome to vig me N3 if you so choose.
On May 06 2013 07:11 yamato77 wrote: I feel it highly unlikely that scum-WoS (a first time mafia player) would be as active as he has been, nor do I feel it likely that he would have the balls to claim miller as mafia, either.
I agreed with you at the time, but there's a few things that don't add up. -There's Rayn mentioning him on D2 as someone to look into the next day. He dies N2. -His filter pushes a scum agenda. Has defended scum, then backtracked when they were looking poor. -A lot of his comments felt off to me when scrolling through his filter. I don't know if it's how WoS always posts, but there's this defensive aura about him. -Dropping out completely activity wise recently. He hasn't even posted the past two days. BM and Getmoript pointed out a few things as well. I think he deserves a closer look and I want that closer look before the day ends.
1) WIFOM-y as hell. I already mentioned that they lynched him to make me look bad; was the whole reasoning for me having to miller claim. If you'd read my filter you'd know that I already explained this. 2) Hard defended who? Clarity? Yes, I admitted to have been wrong about him. Yes, I backtracked, because I wanted to get my thoughts out about why I felt I was wrong. What other mafia have I defended? Hell did I ever defend Ace either? What about me constantly pushing Shiao? This is being really selective. 3) I dunno, not much to say about that. 4) I was angry and needed a break.
Not even going to bother defending myself against geript's posting because once again, as always, it's overreaching.
Go ahead and take as close a look as you need but honestly if you really feel like I'm on the block for today above any of the other suspects then I don't know what to say. I'll be able to get back into it a little more later tonight and tomorrow if there are any other outstanding issues people have with me.
1. Bullshit! You claimed Miller before Rayn died.
Did I? Guess you're right. This game is taking too long. Oh well reasoning is essentially the same, they tried to frame me by killing Rayn after we had a huge back-and-forth.
On April 29 2013 06:20 WaveofShadow wrote: So no one decided to vig I assume. Lol obvious attempt to frame me even though I clearly called Rayn town throughout my arguing with him last night. Alright when I get back later tonight as promised I will be doing everything in my power to prevent a wasted lynch on me. You guys are still welcome to vig me N3 if you so choose.
Giygas scum btw.
So why did you claim then?
In my filter multiple times if you'd read. I know you think you're being clever and you've caught me in something, but you're not.
On April 28 2013 13:08 raynpelikoneet wrote: So you are taking WoS at face value now because you think it's impossible that he soft-claimed miller as mafia. You are also going to ignore all the suspicious things he has done (as you fucking thought he should be shot earlier, that means you were suspicious of him). I'm going to yell so much at everyone of you if WoS is mafia and is not shot tonight. Based purely on the fact that this post here is 100% right and at least Ace should know it too, and WoS should have read it if he is in fact town miller:
On April 23 2013 05:30 BloodyC0bbler wrote: What reason does town have to make to ever claim miller? Seriously, tell me. All it does is clusterfuck a thread and leaves open ground for mafia to claim as well and thus be cleared as town as he claimed miller. Assume all miller claims are bullshit and kill. If you get red checked you get killed. Its pretty simple. You lynch people who are likely mafia. Town has no reason to ever claim miller EVEN IF THEY KNOW THEY ARE ONE. As all it does is create chaos. IE only mafia have a benefit to claim it thus should be lynched.
I did read it. And he's mostly right. And I've already mentioned it's because I'd rather force a wasted vig shot than a wasted DT check and wasted lynch. Pretty decent reasons to me. Whether or not YOU think this was going to happen or not is irrelevant. It's what I thought was going to happen and so I acted. Simple.
if that was the reason, why didn't you say so?
Now see you say that I should feel clever for this, but you have at least 2 full filter pages that are just calling everything a scum slip.
On May 06 2013 23:39 Sharrant wrote: @Palmar I liked the exchange between you and BC over the night; I think the reason you're finding his contributions suspicious is because of a difference in play styles.
I think BC just doesn't like to write things out, he said as much earlier in the game. You're both under the pressure of a lynch, so you go out of your way to back everything up with quotes and try to make it look good. He seems to be relying on his cred as a veteran, and the fact that when he flips people will know he's not lying about what he's written.
I want both of you alive for at least a cycle. I'm happy to lynch into the little list you guys came up with, it matches up for the most part with my thoughts with a few key differences, but they're fairly subjective I think.
There's a few divergent scenarios, but I think the most basic formula for our chain of lynches is such:
Dammit. I made beautiful tree diagrams but the TL site doesn't support that kind of formatting. I'll write it out as direct chains then.
Hopeless(town)->Yamato(town)->Palmar->BC Hopeless(town)->Yamato(scum)->(unsure, this chain I'm least sure if I'd lynch another person before Palmar/BC) Hopeless(scum)->giygas(scum)->gg Hopeless(scum)->giygas(town)->unsure(town)->Palmar->BC
Just a basic idea of what I think we should do, I'm open for discussion on it, and it would obviously be reevaluated after the nks.
Quick question about this chain. Why is Hopeless first if your vote is on Yamato?
Something opped into my head while I was filter diving artnanis:
Question, why are BC and Palmar even being talked about as suspects still? if they were both RBed night 1 they should both be town. Unless, were assuming ace got hit night 1 or they double stacked Vivax. Consiering no one was really hard pushing Ace in a way that would suggest he had survived a shot, i find this to be unlikely.. No way Mafia defensive jailed before vigis could shoot. So they must hve blocked one and shot the other, which would mean they would both be town.
On May 07 2013 03:18 TheRavensName wrote: Something opped into my head while I was filter diving artnanis:
Question, why are BC and Palmar even being talked about as suspects still? if they were both RBed night 1 they should both be town. Unless, were assuming ace got hit night 1 or they double stacked Vivax. Consiering no one was really hard pushing Ace in a way that would suggest he had survived a shot, i find this to be unlikely.. No way Mafia defensive jailed before vigis could shoot. So they must hve blocked one and shot the other, which would mean they would both be town.
Those scenarios are quite likely, TRN, as well the fact that mafia may not have had 2 (non-vigi)KP at any point during the game, especially since we don't have town vig.
..... Scum started at 5 which means they could shoot twice night 1.
i think a Veteran would have told them not to double stack vivax, and instead shoot him once and shoot someone else, then just shoot him again if they had to. And I don't think a newer player would have noticed the crumb as anything else other then self martyring after a failed lynch they pushed.
Scum KP is # of scum / 2, rounded down. Scum KP is delivered factionally and cannot be roleblocked. Scum will return normal-looking roles to rolecop checks (ie Scum Vigilante returns Vigilante, Scum Goon returns Vanilla, Scum Framer returns Cop) but with the exception of the Godfather, return Red to DT checks.
You slipping Again WoS? its right there in the role listing. I think a town would have noticed this. Especially sense its been brought up before about why Mafia would bus one about to be mod killed in order to save one of their KP shots.
On May 07 2013 03:18 TheRavensName wrote: Something opped into my head while I was filter diving artnanis:
Question, why are BC and Palmar even being talked about as suspects still? if they were both RBed night 1 they should both be town. Unless, were assuming ace got hit night 1 or they double stacked Vivax. Consiering no one was really hard pushing Ace in a way that would suggest he had survived a shot, i find this to be unlikely.. No way Mafia defensive jailed before vigis could shoot. So they must hve blocked one and shot the other, which would mean they would both be town.
Those scenarios are quite likely, TRN, as well the fact that mafia may not have had 2 (non-vigi)KP at any point during the game, especially since we don't have town vig.
..... Scum started at 5 which means they could shoot twice night 1.
i think a Veteran would have told them not to double stack vivax, and instead shoot him once and shoot someone else, then just shoot him again if they had to. And I don't think a newer player would have noticed the crumb as anything else other then self martyring after a failed lynch they pushed.
Where does the OP talk about scum KP formula?
Ah found it, ok you're right. Doublestacking is more common than you'd think though.
Perhaps when someone is actually a threat and likely to get protection. Vivax just lead a mislynch, which made protection quite unlikely. i don't see why Mafia would throw away their only gauranteed night of double shooting with how much of their team was afk/under suspicion.
On May 07 2013 03:18 TheRavensName wrote: Something opped into my head while I was filter diving artnanis:
Question, why are BC and Palmar even being talked about as suspects still? if they were both RBed night 1 they should both be town. Unless, were assuming ace got hit night 1 or they double stacked Vivax. Consiering no one was really hard pushing Ace in a way that would suggest he had survived a shot, i find this to be unlikely.. No way Mafia defensive jailed before vigis could shoot. So they must hve blocked one and shot the other, which would mean they would both be town.
Those scenarios are quite likely, TRN, as well the fact that mafia may not have had 2 (non-vigi)KP at any point during the game, especially since we don't have town vig.
..... Scum started at 5 which means they could shoot twice night 1.
i think a Veteran would have told them not to double stack vivax, and instead shoot him once and shoot someone else, then just shoot him again if they had to. And I don't think a newer player would have noticed the crumb as anything else other then self martyring after a failed lynch they pushed.
Where does the OP talk about scum KP formula?
Ah found it, ok you're right. Doublestacking is more common than you'd think though.
Perhaps when someone is actually a threat and likely to get protection. Vivax just lead a mislynch, which made protection quite unlikely. i don't see why Mafia would throw away their only gauranteed night of double shooting with how much of their team was afk/under suspicion.
Just because someone was wrong about the lynch they led on day 1 does not make them a bad shot. Vivax was an unexpected NK, but I don't think anyone was suspicious of him whatsoever.
It's important for scum to keep people like Vivax dead. If town is listening to someone, even if that person is wrong at that time, you should kill them. You never let town form a cohesive group. That's what the Vivax/Rayn/OO NKs were all about. No one suspected them, and they were listened to, to a certain extent.
My point wasn't they wouldn't kill him. My point was they wouldn't doublestack.
On May 07 2013 09:55 Hopeless1der wrote: Someone remind me why I'm supposed to have a townread on giggles, because yamato+giggles is looking mighty fine right about now.
On May 07 2013 13:01 BloodyC0bbler wrote: You tunneled me virtually all game as well, i am a townie. 4 people having the same read of you is an indication with a problem of your play. Also don't bash VE, he was doing far better than you are. You defended two mafia he had a hand in lynching.
Yes, 4 people having the same read is a indication of bad play alignment regardless. But that doesn't make him scum. And town have defended scum before that also happens.
On May 07 2013 12:55 BloodyC0bbler wrote: have you read the game? I have had a read on yamato all game, ve had that same read, ace had the same read, palmar is now saying it? We know the flip of two of those players already, 1 was town 1 was 3p, both are responsible for heavy pushing the votes where mafia were lynched. Ace played for the most part a very town oriented game. I am inclined to believe that 4 players all getting the same read on a player means the guy is likely what those 4 think
But did Ace play a pro-towny game? No. He helped push Oats/Yamato D1. He pushed inactive scum over mostly inactive scum D2. He pushed town over inactive scum D3. He acquiesced to inactive scum D4. He got caught D5 based on roleblocks. That's not very pro-town especially when you consider that he couldn't have know if/when Tube was going to be modkilled and then not been able to backdown on scum D2. Ace's 'scumread' on yamato could easily be explained by Ace wanting to limit the yamato tunnel OR by wanting to eliminate a good player. If anything, Ace's scumread on yamato makes yamato more likely to be town.
B that logic, Palmar is even more innocent. Ace was pushing Palmar after Mafia was pretty far behind.
On May 07 2013 16:40 Artanis[Xp] wrote: Oh what I did want to bring up was that Yamato claimed to know who he thought the JK was. There's no reason for him to bring that up if he's scum, it felt like a genuine passing comment, and one I don't think he would've made if he were scum.
On May 03 2013 03:02 yamato77 wrote: Oh, and I'm certain that there is a town JK, and I'm fairly sure I know who he is.
/working 4realz
Yes there is. Its a good way for us to think hes town because otherwise he'd have shot him (we have no garantee he didn't think OO was the jailer.) and as long as he threatened to out the jailer he would be able to feel safe because I don't think many people want to trade the jailer.
On May 08 2013 00:58 kushm4sta wrote: we can lynch bc tomorrow when yamato flips town
I'm not even sure about that.
maybe stutters was bussing shiaopi (which is basically the reason I gave him a very tentative "maybe not scum" read during that night). Maybe geript is scum and BH is trolling us, maybe giggles is scum.
And that's not even talking about hopeless who everyone seems to think is scum except me and BM
The modkilled scummed only did like one thing and that was pressure vote Shiao till he talked. Seems kinda risky to me doesn't it?
On May 08 2013 00:58 kushm4sta wrote: we can lynch bc tomorrow when yamato flips town
I'm not even sure about that.
maybe stutters was bussing shiaopi (which is basically the reason I gave him a very tentative "maybe not scum" read during that night). Maybe geript is scum and BH is trolling us, maybe giggles is scum.
And that's not even talking about hopeless who everyone seems to think is scum except me and BM
The modkilled scummed only did like one thing and that was pressure vote Shiao till he talked. Seems kinda risky to me doesn't it?
On May 09 2013 01:25 WaveofShadow wrote: Aw, here you go and actually put effort into something...I was so set to troll the rest of the night too.
I don't understand how you can exude such an attitude of complete confidence despite your performance this game; it's that arrogance that kush outlined that absolutely infuriates me, including your propensity to compltely ignore or shrug off those points from people you deem 'terrible' and either not worth your time or not worth listening to.
On April 23 2013 09:11 WaveofShadow wrote: Anyway to sum it up, I'm more sure of an Oats lynch than yamato; a lot of conflicted things going on with him that I just can't be sure of.
Now,
On April 23 2013 08:49 TheRavensName wrote:
On April 23 2013 08:46 WaveofShadow wrote: Why yall gotta ignore my post.
Why you gotta ignore my questions for you?
Because you're obviously town and obviously searching in the wrong places. I'll indulge though because I know what it was like in my first big game; I see much of myself in you, young padawan.
If you'd actually read my filter, you calling me wishy-washy doesn't make sense at all. I've had definite reads all game; just because I haven't voted anyone yet or had a very strong scumread doesn't make me scum. I don't have to post massive cases on people to be scumhunting. Those will come later.
Wouldn't this just lead me futher down the wrong path by letting my suspicions of you fester until they reach a boiling point?
Yes, but stuff like that is bound to happen anyway when dealing with newer players. I'm sorry to say it but the fact remains that unless you are exceptional, in a game like this with a lot of veteran players your (and sometimes my) voice is unlikely to be heard when following one line of suspicion to the bitter end. Essentially I know what to expect from you and I'm not worried about your suspicion of me due to the player interaction in this game. This isn't a jab at you or your skill. I'm more worried about Vivax's line of thinking derailing the thread than yours.
A reading from the will of Sharrant: When I die tonight you will be responsible for informing the thread of my actions. On night one I jailed Palmar, then Ace until he died, and then BC.
On May 09 2013 05:45 Palmar wrote: in hindsight, assume I'm mafia, do you think it's likely I would immediately assume I got shot, knowing it to be false?
Yes. Your the only one who milkde the protection from gunshot. So either someone else was shot and didn't want to say anything, like ace, or bc was shot and you decided to milk it for the cred. Its not out of the realm of possibility.
On May 09 2013 05:45 Palmar wrote: in hindsight, assume I'm mafia, do you think it's likely I would immediately assume I got shot, knowing it to be false?
Yes. Your the only one who milkde the protection from gunshot. So either someone else was shot and didn't want to say anything, like ace, or bc was shot and you decided to milk it for the cred. Its not out of the realm of possibility.
Assume for a second, just to entertain the notion, that I'm town Palmar.
I can give you the insight that at the time I thought I was in pretty good standing with town, in no danger of being lynched.
Knowing that I got protected and a KP was missing, do you think town-Palmar (knowing my history of being shot n1) would not assume that I got shot during the night?
Sure, scum-Palmar could do what I did, but so could town-Palmar, and in fact it's more likely town Palmar did.
Alright so. Sharrant was also advocating a lynch on Palmar if he pulled red on WoS. I would like thoughts on WoS and Palmar, if its alright with the rest of you?
On May 06 2013 11:24 GiygaS wrote: Ugh, I'm not 100% sure of Yamato right now, so I'll give him the benefit of the doubt. My read right now is that say we lynch Hopeless today. If he flips scum, I've got a big town read on Yamato. If he flips town, I think Yamato should be the next lynch.
Kush is acting really strange about this read too, as he was obviously initially convinced it was mildly scummy (he was the one that initially pointed it out). Like here:
On May 01 2013 10:56 kushm4sta wrote: yamato your one claim to towniness is pushing shiaopi d2. But the other wagon was clarity. So in reality you were just picking between 2 scum. scum literally had to bus.
Also that quote from earlier in which you explicitly soft defend 2 known scum. here it is again:
The reason I'm running through all this is that I'm not particularly happy with any of the lynches that most of town is talking about. VE of yesterday feels somewhat town. I feel like more time would only bury scum VE or give chance to solidify a town read on VE. There's absolutely no rush for his lynch to be finalized.
Shaio is easy to mislynch, as evidenced by the suspicion on him in day 2 of British Empire 1, also an instant lynch where he was lurkish, and eventually replaced. The worst part of his filter is the hammer sequence, but even that could be explained by overly eager town who got caught up in the game emotionally.
Clarity is always inactive, and him being fixated on Sharrant is not alignment indicative. His case is objectively something that scum like to do, but in the context of the game, I can see a town Clarity who had a late start feeling the need to get his thoughts about the game on the table, even if they weren't about the main lynch candidates. The fact that he basically has no other reads in the game is a point in his favor, but just like VE, we can afford to play a waiting game with him, seeing as we have unlimited time.
At the very least, we need real discussion about the alignments of Ace/BC/Palmar before we move forward with any lynch. Ace is the most town out of the three, and BC the least, in my eyes. I'd say a long day is in order, and town need to consolidate pressure upon just a few people so that we can determine their alignments more clearly.
that's why i want to lynch you now
On May 02 2013 05:42 kushm4sta wrote: I want to lynch yamato because he soft defended shiaopi and clarity. too much of a coincidence imo. i already posted the quote 2 times. plus there are a ton of other reasons other people have posted.
yamato...lurker doesn't make you scum. Town easily can lurk for a million different reasons and I was doing it myself for the middle part of this game. Your case against hopeless..i do not find it convincing in the least.
Why has he suddenly pulled a 180 saying the quote is too scummy to be actual scum? It doesn't add up.
On May 07 2013 09:07 kushm4sta wrote: dudes can we just lynch hopeless? that is the lynch im most comfortable with I think
THIS.
Palmar's entire case on Yamato seems to be that he made some reaching town reads on that list, and that he's flippy floppy on kush.
Meanwhile, Yamato is completely set on the fact that one of BC and Palmar just HAS TO BE SCUM, IT JUST HAS TO.
I'm going with Hopeless, and I'm not going to switch my vote to either Yamato or Palmar until there is an actually convincing case against them, or if one (or both) make a scumslip.
##Vote Hopeless1der
Giggles setting up mislynches based strictly on association (Me/Yamato). I call this scum tactics. Lynch him (after me?)
I'd rather lynch him or palmar before you. They've both been so damn scummy the entire game.
I think giggles and Palmar need to be lynched,in that order. They have both looked TERRIBLE the entire game, but somehow just scrape on by. And WoS, if I could find a partner for you, I would bomb the hell out of you. Its sadly just too damn hard to put you as anyones friend.
On May 10 2013 05:20 WaveofShadow wrote: Can we list off TRN's Mason targets in order just so I have a little contextx when filter diving? Palmar, yamato, me, BC, who else and on which nights?
I asked him for this info in the mason qt. Still waiting on a response.
I think it went, Palmar, yamato, you, sharrant, me
On May 10 2013 05:38 Palmar wrote: you know what, screw it.
##Vote Geript
I kinda like this. If we lynch you and you flip town it makes me have faith that I'll know where to look for some reason. You know what? Palmar, you've inspired me.
The last time a couple posts REALLY struck me as scummy instantly was my second newbie game; I went with my gut on it and was right. TRN, you should remember it well; you helped me lynch Arctic Daishi. Well guess what?
##Vote: TheRavensName
I will still be going through your filter but god damn were those last posts scummy.
You have no idea how hard it is to resist all the analysis on you I did with Sharrant. (The only person who seem to actually want to use the QT for analysis and case building. I wish I could have been perm masoned with him.)
If were going off gut scummy, there have been people who have been far scummier all game. Such as Kush, or Hopeless, or you and palmar.
On May 10 2013 06:04 kushm4sta wrote: BC has gotta be third party or something. I guess he's not scum though because of the roleblock thing.
Getmorpt is modconfirmed town remember?
Palmar is an unknown for me.
HOPELESS let us lynch him. I have not seen a good defense of him ever.
AND YOU! You show up out of no where and just post random little bursts of useless crap. Your entire filter is these shrot bursts of nothing without a single case that contains more then 1 or 2 reasonings. The fuck man? Have you pushed an original idea yet?
On May 10 2013 05:38 Palmar wrote: you know what, screw it.
##Vote Geript
I kinda like this. If we lynch you and you flip town it makes me have faith that I'll know where to look for some reason. You know what? Palmar, you've inspired me.
The last time a couple posts REALLY struck me as scummy instantly was my second newbie game; I went with my gut on it and was right. TRN, you should remember it well; you helped me lynch Arctic Daishi. Well guess what?
##Vote: TheRavensName
I will still be going through your filter but god damn were those last posts scummy.
You have no idea how hard it is to resist all the analysis on you I did with Sharrant. (The only person who seem to actually want to use the QT for analysis and case building. I wish I could have been perm masoned with him.)
If were going off gut scummy, there have been people who have been far scummier all game. Such as Kush, or Hopeless, or you and palmar.
lol me. Bring it, Raven.
Kush is probably town, god help me I'm thinking Hopeless might be town now as I finish my read, and Palmar is Palmar right now. My vote on you remains until I see a reason to remove it. And there are two things right now that will make me remove it.
And what two things would that be?
Heres a little sample by the way:
i went and decided to analyze the night kills: None of them thought WoS was townie basd off the last time they posted on them OO: + Show Spoiler +
On May 01 2013 12:55 GiygaS wrote: It's certainly a possibility, could you elaborate on it a bit more? I'm interested.
Haven't gotten around to re-reading WoS as mentioned in this (I just pasted it into notepad) but here you go, full on crazy mode OO. + Show Spoiler [you asked for it] +
Random conspiracy theory:
WoS claims miller not because he is self-aware miller, but because he knows he will show up guilty to checks as 3P (same as miller).
On April 28 2013 16:05 raynpelikoneet wrote: WoS promised to provide reads to make people believe him. geript, can you take a look at his filter from D2 and tell me what reads he provided that helps us finding scum? ShiaoPi and GiygaS, and "they deserve to be looked into".
First of all, if WoS thinks ShiaoPi is mafia, why does he think he has been "so wrong" at the start of D2, that he needed to claim..???? Also if he thought he is so wrong, why does he still want to look into ShiaoPi? He doesn't mention anyone as scum suspects that Shiao/GiygaS.
He does no research, just asks people what they do think about people.
On April 28 2013 13:33 Ace wrote: to be extra thorough - while it is still possible WoS is scum that miller claim doesn't warrant a vigi shot. It does nothing to free up extra information, as if WoS flips Miller it is a wasted shot. For now you should give him the benefit of the doubt. Look at other people on the Oats +Shiapi wagon clash cases. yamato and VE are both there. So is Palmar, hopeless1nder, and a few others. WoS is there too but as said I think he gets a temporary pass. Limit that pool via what you know by reading objectively first, then read them from both scum and town p.o.v. Do it for all of them! WoS doesn't come close to being the top vigi target when you do this.
CheeseCake, Palmar, Sharrant (him not convinced yet though):
On April 25 2013 03:07 raynpelikoneet wrote: ... WaveofShadow - what me + TRN said earlier today GiygaS - Did weird stuff on D1, especially his answers to me were not pleasing Clarity_nl - What has been brought up today ShiaoPi - What Vivax said
+ TRN
So that makes CC/Palmar/Me/TRN/somewhat Sharrant. I do not think any of those people are mafia. WoS claimed right after CC-Palmar-Sharrant posted. Overly defensive in the first place, now he says he wanted to avoid a DT check and mislynch on him. Bullshit i say, noone even mentions him being a good check.
On April 28 2013 13:08 raynpelikoneet wrote: So you are taking WoS at face value now because you think it's impossible that he soft-claimed miller as mafia. You are also going to ignore all the suspicious things he has done (as you fucking thought he should be shot earlier, that means you were suspicious of him). I'm going to yell so much at everyone of you if WoS is mafia and is not shot tonight. Based purely on the fact that this post here is 100% right and at least Ace should know it too, and WoS should have read it if he is in fact town miller:
On April 23 2013 05:30 BloodyC0bbler wrote: What reason does town have to make to ever claim miller? Seriously, tell me. All it does is clusterfuck a thread and leaves open ground for mafia to claim as well and thus be cleared as town as he claimed miller. Assume all miller claims are bullshit and kill. If you get red checked you get killed. Its pretty simple. You lynch people who are likely mafia. Town has no reason to ever claim miller EVEN IF THEY KNOW THEY ARE ONE. As all it does is create chaos. IE only mafia have a benefit to claim it thus should be lynched.
I did read it. And he's mostly right. And I've already mentioned it's because I'd rather force a wasted vig shot than a wasted DT check and wasted lynch. Pretty decent reasons to me. Whether or not YOU think this was going to happen or not is irrelevant. It's what I thought was going to happen and so I acted. Simple.
Think on the duality of that statement. Wasting a shot can be thought of as LOL I EAT BULLETS FOR BREAKFAST on top of being thought of I'M TOWN BRO.
I need to review what WoS has been doing recently but this is what I intend to be looking for evidence for at this point, as well as considering the possibility that he is in fact just plain miller.
Or maybe he's scum and suicidal because of what we've seen has been the presence of his team, I don't know? Really need to take another look through....
This does NOT explain any of the other kills or ANYTHING of the sort, I did no thinking outside of entertaining the idea, but if it's a possibility given what's presented here and any other kills can be explained by it, then maybe we caught ourselves a crafty one.
Contrary to this idea: He's been pretty okay with dying in his words, but if he starts fighting his lynch after accepting that he has to die I might be concerned. Anyway there are what, 2 scum left to kill, he has a vested interest in finding them as well if he is 3P. Remember that BH just clarified that 3P kills are compulsive, as in they must shoot every night, so someone go Bill Nye on this if you want or go nowhere with it, I am going back to Vivax' filter.
P.S Rayn is really good at this game, total serious, <3
Was entertaining the idea of a conspiracy theory that WoS was faking the miller claim. In fact, its his last real read post before the big BC case. Vivax:+ Show Spoiler +
On April 24 2013 00:08 Vivax wrote: Scummy: Yamato, clarity,
Semi-Scummy: Palmar, WoS, OO, BM, ShiaoPi
Null: BC, Rayn, Hopeless, VE
Townie: Everyone else
No medic for me if Oats flips red, thx.
I need to rework on this. I wrote it cause I thought it was a nightless game, cause instant majority and such. Reading the OP helps sometimes :|
(Although he was going to die for nailing Shiao and Clarity during the night phase anyways.) Mr. CC: Died after claiming cop, mafia milked a mislynch then shot him before he could nail anyone else. Wanted WoS shot pretty badly, not a stretch to say he would oppose a lynch of him. Rayn:+ Show Spoiler +
On April 29 2013 05:50 WaveofShadow wrote: Won't be able to post in earnest before daypost. Shoot me if you must, but imo I'd have a look at the people who WANT me dead and are calling me scum vs the ones who say that I must die simply because of the claim. GL town, you're in good hands. This def wasn't a great game for me; playing too pussy = bad. If I somehow survive I'm going balls out
I don't think there is anyone who thinks you are much town at the moment, so i'd rather look for people who are making scummy stuff instead of focusing on those who accuse you. Because, let's be hnest, this kind of stuff is what makes you look worse. You just OMGUS-read the people accusing you.
Even WoS remembers this one. VE: Similiar to CC, wanted WoS either shot or eventually lynched. Also likely was dead regardless due to well, for being a cop. Sharrant: + Show Spoiler +
On May 06 2013 05:01 getmoript wrote: Sharrant, what do you think of my analysis of Ace's play. Do you find it completely consistent with BC/WoS scum team?
It's certainly believeable. My biggest issue is that I believed that ShiaoPi wasn't scum after Clarity flipped, and I could see the same thing from Ace's perspective.
I'll read more in his filter, and see if there's anything I can gleam from it.
I like that you made the case, if you're sure about it, I want to see you make it stick. Analyze BC and WoS and let me know what you come up with. I'm not particularly looking at BC right now, but WoS certainly has my attention.
Likely died because someone figured out he was JK. Was warming up to the idea of WoS being scum. One of the big claims WoS has to being town is that he pushed Shia over Sylencia. In my mind, this was a distancing attempt and a bus, and I mean it makes sense. Town will almost always go with the cop's red check unless the cop is certain hes insane. Therefore he could look like hes trying to save sylencia when its a mislynch that will solve itself.
On May 10 2013 06:36 getmoript wrote: So I guess this has devolved into napalms lists hunh? Fine by me. I'll sheep the list with the best reasons regardless of who's on it.
On May 10 2013 05:38 Palmar wrote: you know what, screw it.
##Vote Geript
I kinda like this. If we lynch you and you flip town it makes me have faith that I'll know where to look for some reason. You know what? Palmar, you've inspired me.
The last time a couple posts REALLY struck me as scummy instantly was my second newbie game; I went with my gut on it and was right. TRN, you should remember it well; you helped me lynch Arctic Daishi. Well guess what?
##Vote: TheRavensName
I will still be going through your filter but god damn were those last posts scummy.
You have no idea how hard it is to resist all the analysis on you I did with Sharrant. (The only person who seem to actually want to use the QT for analysis and case building. I wish I could have been perm masoned with him.)
If were going off gut scummy, there have been people who have been far scummier all game. Such as Kush, or Hopeless, or you and palmar.
lol me. Bring it, Raven.
Kush is probably town, god help me I'm thinking Hopeless might be town now as I finish my read, and Palmar is Palmar right now. My vote on you remains until I see a reason to remove it. And there are two things right now that will make me remove it.
And what two things would that be?
Heres a little sample by the way:
i went and decided to analyze the night kills: None of them thought WoS was townie basd off the last time they posted on them OO: + Show Spoiler +
On May 01 2013 12:55 GiygaS wrote: It's certainly a possibility, could you elaborate on it a bit more? I'm interested.
Haven't gotten around to re-reading WoS as mentioned in this (I just pasted it into notepad) but here you go, full on crazy mode OO. + Show Spoiler [you asked for it] +
Random conspiracy theory:
WoS claims miller not because he is self-aware miller, but because he knows he will show up guilty to checks as 3P (same as miller).
On April 28 2013 16:05 raynpelikoneet wrote: WoS promised to provide reads to make people believe him. geript, can you take a look at his filter from D2 and tell me what reads he provided that helps us finding scum? ShiaoPi and GiygaS, and "they deserve to be looked into".
First of all, if WoS thinks ShiaoPi is mafia, why does he think he has been "so wrong" at the start of D2, that he needed to claim..???? Also if he thought he is so wrong, why does he still want to look into ShiaoPi? He doesn't mention anyone as scum suspects that Shiao/GiygaS.
He does no research, just asks people what they do think about people.
On April 28 2013 13:33 Ace wrote: to be extra thorough - while it is still possible WoS is scum that miller claim doesn't warrant a vigi shot. It does nothing to free up extra information, as if WoS flips Miller it is a wasted shot. For now you should give him the benefit of the doubt. Look at other people on the Oats +Shiapi wagon clash cases. yamato and VE are both there. So is Palmar, hopeless1nder, and a few others. WoS is there too but as said I think he gets a temporary pass. Limit that pool via what you know by reading objectively first, then read them from both scum and town p.o.v. Do it for all of them! WoS doesn't come close to being the top vigi target when you do this.
CheeseCake, Palmar, Sharrant (him not convinced yet though):
On April 25 2013 03:07 raynpelikoneet wrote: ... WaveofShadow - what me + TRN said earlier today GiygaS - Did weird stuff on D1, especially his answers to me were not pleasing Clarity_nl - What has been brought up today ShiaoPi - What Vivax said
+ TRN
So that makes CC/Palmar/Me/TRN/somewhat Sharrant. I do not think any of those people are mafia. WoS claimed right after CC-Palmar-Sharrant posted. Overly defensive in the first place, now he says he wanted to avoid a DT check and mislynch on him. Bullshit i say, noone even mentions him being a good check.
On April 28 2013 13:08 raynpelikoneet wrote: So you are taking WoS at face value now because you think it's impossible that he soft-claimed miller as mafia. You are also going to ignore all the suspicious things he has done (as you fucking thought he should be shot earlier, that means you were suspicious of him). I'm going to yell so much at everyone of you if WoS is mafia and is not shot tonight. Based purely on the fact that this post here is 100% right and at least Ace should know it too, and WoS should have read it if he is in fact town miller:
On April 23 2013 05:30 BloodyC0bbler wrote: What reason does town have to make to ever claim miller? Seriously, tell me. All it does is clusterfuck a thread and leaves open ground for mafia to claim as well and thus be cleared as town as he claimed miller. Assume all miller claims are bullshit and kill. If you get red checked you get killed. Its pretty simple. You lynch people who are likely mafia. Town has no reason to ever claim miller EVEN IF THEY KNOW THEY ARE ONE. As all it does is create chaos. IE only mafia have a benefit to claim it thus should be lynched.
I did read it. And he's mostly right. And I've already mentioned it's because I'd rather force a wasted vig shot than a wasted DT check and wasted lynch. Pretty decent reasons to me. Whether or not YOU think this was going to happen or not is irrelevant. It's what I thought was going to happen and so I acted. Simple.
Think on the duality of that statement. Wasting a shot can be thought of as LOL I EAT BULLETS FOR BREAKFAST on top of being thought of I'M TOWN BRO.
I need to review what WoS has been doing recently but this is what I intend to be looking for evidence for at this point, as well as considering the possibility that he is in fact just plain miller.
Or maybe he's scum and suicidal because of what we've seen has been the presence of his team, I don't know? Really need to take another look through....
This does NOT explain any of the other kills or ANYTHING of the sort, I did no thinking outside of entertaining the idea, but if it's a possibility given what's presented here and any other kills can be explained by it, then maybe we caught ourselves a crafty one.
Contrary to this idea: He's been pretty okay with dying in his words, but if he starts fighting his lynch after accepting that he has to die I might be concerned. Anyway there are what, 2 scum left to kill, he has a vested interest in finding them as well if he is 3P. Remember that BH just clarified that 3P kills are compulsive, as in they must shoot every night, so someone go Bill Nye on this if you want or go nowhere with it, I am going back to Vivax' filter.
P.S Rayn is really good at this game, total serious, <3
Was entertaining the idea of a conspiracy theory that WoS was faking the miller claim. In fact, its his last real read post before the big BC case. Vivax:+ Show Spoiler +
On April 24 2013 00:08 Vivax wrote: Scummy: Yamato, clarity,
Semi-Scummy: Palmar, WoS, OO, BM, ShiaoPi
Null: BC, Rayn, Hopeless, VE
Townie: Everyone else
No medic for me if Oats flips red, thx.
I need to rework on this. I wrote it cause I thought it was a nightless game, cause instant majority and such. Reading the OP helps sometimes :|
(Although he was going to die for nailing Shiao and Clarity during the night phase anyways.) Mr. CC: Died after claiming cop, mafia milked a mislynch then shot him before he could nail anyone else. Wanted WoS shot pretty badly, not a stretch to say he would oppose a lynch of him. Rayn:+ Show Spoiler +
On April 29 2013 05:50 WaveofShadow wrote: Won't be able to post in earnest before daypost. Shoot me if you must, but imo I'd have a look at the people who WANT me dead and are calling me scum vs the ones who say that I must die simply because of the claim. GL town, you're in good hands. This def wasn't a great game for me; playing too pussy = bad. If I somehow survive I'm going balls out
I don't think there is anyone who thinks you are much town at the moment, so i'd rather look for people who are making scummy stuff instead of focusing on those who accuse you. Because, let's be hnest, this kind of stuff is what makes you look worse. You just OMGUS-read the people accusing you.
Even WoS remembers this one. VE: Similiar to CC, wanted WoS either shot or eventually lynched. Also likely was dead regardless due to well, for being a cop. Sharrant: + Show Spoiler +
On May 06 2013 05:01 getmoript wrote: Sharrant, what do you think of my analysis of Ace's play. Do you find it completely consistent with BC/WoS scum team?
It's certainly believeable. My biggest issue is that I believed that ShiaoPi wasn't scum after Clarity flipped, and I could see the same thing from Ace's perspective.
I'll read more in his filter, and see if there's anything I can gleam from it.
I like that you made the case, if you're sure about it, I want to see you make it stick. Analyze BC and WoS and let me know what you come up with. I'm not particularly looking at BC right now, but WoS certainly has my attention.
Likely died because someone figured out he was JK. Was warming up to the idea of WoS being scum. One of the big claims WoS has to being town is that he pushed Shia over Sylencia. In my mind, this was a distancing attempt and a bus, and I mean it makes sense. Town will almost always go with the cop's red check unless the cop is certain hes insane. Therefore he could look like hes trying to save sylencia when its a mislynch that will solve itself.
No no. You don't get to do this. Do you think I'm scum or not? If you do, tell the fucking thread why.
Here's a little sample about why that's wrong (intersting, but wrong) You're randomly linking points at which someone said I was scummy during the thread. They didn't all think so right before they died: example being OO. Do you also honestly think the reason Sharrant was killed was because I figured him out? LOL. All me figuring it out means is that the whole fucking thread figured it out because for the most part I'm a dumbass. He practically outed himself right at the end, lol.
Actually, I went into their filter and searched ALL of their posts by Wave, and WoS and read all of the results. Thes are the last ones that post an opinon of you.
On May 10 2013 05:38 Palmar wrote: you know what, screw it.
##Vote Geript
I kinda like this. If we lynch you and you flip town it makes me have faith that I'll know where to look for some reason. You know what? Palmar, you've inspired me.
The last time a couple posts REALLY struck me as scummy instantly was my second newbie game; I went with my gut on it and was right. TRN, you should remember it well; you helped me lynch Arctic Daishi. Well guess what?
##Vote: TheRavensName
I will still be going through your filter but god damn were those last posts scummy.
You have no idea how hard it is to resist all the analysis on you I did with Sharrant. (The only person who seem to actually want to use the QT for analysis and case building. I wish I could have been perm masoned with him.)
If were going off gut scummy, there have been people who have been far scummier all game. Such as Kush, or Hopeless, or you and palmar.
lol me. Bring it, Raven.
Kush is probably town, god help me I'm thinking Hopeless might be town now as I finish my read, and Palmar is Palmar right now. My vote on you remains until I see a reason to remove it. And there are two things right now that will make me remove it.
And what two things would that be?
Heres a little sample by the way:
i went and decided to analyze the night kills: None of them thought WoS was townie basd off the last time they posted on them OO: + Show Spoiler +
On May 01 2013 12:55 GiygaS wrote: It's certainly a possibility, could you elaborate on it a bit more? I'm interested.
Haven't gotten around to re-reading WoS as mentioned in this (I just pasted it into notepad) but here you go, full on crazy mode OO. + Show Spoiler [you asked for it] +
Random conspiracy theory:
WoS claims miller not because he is self-aware miller, but because he knows he will show up guilty to checks as 3P (same as miller).
On April 28 2013 16:05 raynpelikoneet wrote: WoS promised to provide reads to make people believe him. geript, can you take a look at his filter from D2 and tell me what reads he provided that helps us finding scum? ShiaoPi and GiygaS, and "they deserve to be looked into".
First of all, if WoS thinks ShiaoPi is mafia, why does he think he has been "so wrong" at the start of D2, that he needed to claim..???? Also if he thought he is so wrong, why does he still want to look into ShiaoPi? He doesn't mention anyone as scum suspects that Shiao/GiygaS.
He does no research, just asks people what they do think about people.
On April 28 2013 13:33 Ace wrote: to be extra thorough - while it is still possible WoS is scum that miller claim doesn't warrant a vigi shot. It does nothing to free up extra information, as if WoS flips Miller it is a wasted shot. For now you should give him the benefit of the doubt. Look at other people on the Oats +Shiapi wagon clash cases. yamato and VE are both there. So is Palmar, hopeless1nder, and a few others. WoS is there too but as said I think he gets a temporary pass. Limit that pool via what you know by reading objectively first, then read them from both scum and town p.o.v. Do it for all of them! WoS doesn't come close to being the top vigi target when you do this.
CheeseCake, Palmar, Sharrant (him not convinced yet though):
On April 25 2013 03:07 raynpelikoneet wrote: ... WaveofShadow - what me + TRN said earlier today GiygaS - Did weird stuff on D1, especially his answers to me were not pleasing Clarity_nl - What has been brought up today ShiaoPi - What Vivax said
+ TRN
So that makes CC/Palmar/Me/TRN/somewhat Sharrant. I do not think any of those people are mafia. WoS claimed right after CC-Palmar-Sharrant posted. Overly defensive in the first place, now he says he wanted to avoid a DT check and mislynch on him. Bullshit i say, noone even mentions him being a good check.
On April 28 2013 13:08 raynpelikoneet wrote: So you are taking WoS at face value now because you think it's impossible that he soft-claimed miller as mafia. You are also going to ignore all the suspicious things he has done (as you fucking thought he should be shot earlier, that means you were suspicious of him). I'm going to yell so much at everyone of you if WoS is mafia and is not shot tonight. Based purely on the fact that this post here is 100% right and at least Ace should know it too, and WoS should have read it if he is in fact town miller:
On April 23 2013 05:30 BloodyC0bbler wrote: What reason does town have to make to ever claim miller? Seriously, tell me. All it does is clusterfuck a thread and leaves open ground for mafia to claim as well and thus be cleared as town as he claimed miller. Assume all miller claims are bullshit and kill. If you get red checked you get killed. Its pretty simple. You lynch people who are likely mafia. Town has no reason to ever claim miller EVEN IF THEY KNOW THEY ARE ONE. As all it does is create chaos. IE only mafia have a benefit to claim it thus should be lynched.
I did read it. And he's mostly right. And I've already mentioned it's because I'd rather force a wasted vig shot than a wasted DT check and wasted lynch. Pretty decent reasons to me. Whether or not YOU think this was going to happen or not is irrelevant. It's what I thought was going to happen and so I acted. Simple.
Think on the duality of that statement. Wasting a shot can be thought of as LOL I EAT BULLETS FOR BREAKFAST on top of being thought of I'M TOWN BRO.
I need to review what WoS has been doing recently but this is what I intend to be looking for evidence for at this point, as well as considering the possibility that he is in fact just plain miller.
Or maybe he's scum and suicidal because of what we've seen has been the presence of his team, I don't know? Really need to take another look through....
This does NOT explain any of the other kills or ANYTHING of the sort, I did no thinking outside of entertaining the idea, but if it's a possibility given what's presented here and any other kills can be explained by it, then maybe we caught ourselves a crafty one.
Contrary to this idea: He's been pretty okay with dying in his words, but if he starts fighting his lynch after accepting that he has to die I might be concerned. Anyway there are what, 2 scum left to kill, he has a vested interest in finding them as well if he is 3P. Remember that BH just clarified that 3P kills are compulsive, as in they must shoot every night, so someone go Bill Nye on this if you want or go nowhere with it, I am going back to Vivax' filter.
P.S Rayn is really good at this game, total serious, <3
Was entertaining the idea of a conspiracy theory that WoS was faking the miller claim. In fact, its his last real read post before the big BC case. Vivax:+ Show Spoiler +
On April 24 2013 00:08 Vivax wrote: Scummy: Yamato, clarity,
Semi-Scummy: Palmar, WoS, OO, BM, ShiaoPi
Null: BC, Rayn, Hopeless, VE
Townie: Everyone else
No medic for me if Oats flips red, thx.
I need to rework on this. I wrote it cause I thought it was a nightless game, cause instant majority and such. Reading the OP helps sometimes :|
(Although he was going to die for nailing Shiao and Clarity during the night phase anyways.) Mr. CC: Died after claiming cop, mafia milked a mislynch then shot him before he could nail anyone else. Wanted WoS shot pretty badly, not a stretch to say he would oppose a lynch of him. Rayn:+ Show Spoiler +
On April 29 2013 05:50 WaveofShadow wrote: Won't be able to post in earnest before daypost. Shoot me if you must, but imo I'd have a look at the people who WANT me dead and are calling me scum vs the ones who say that I must die simply because of the claim. GL town, you're in good hands. This def wasn't a great game for me; playing too pussy = bad. If I somehow survive I'm going balls out
I don't think there is anyone who thinks you are much town at the moment, so i'd rather look for people who are making scummy stuff instead of focusing on those who accuse you. Because, let's be hnest, this kind of stuff is what makes you look worse. You just OMGUS-read the people accusing you.
Even WoS remembers this one. VE: Similiar to CC, wanted WoS either shot or eventually lynched. Also likely was dead regardless due to well, for being a cop. Sharrant: + Show Spoiler +
On May 06 2013 05:01 getmoript wrote: Sharrant, what do you think of my analysis of Ace's play. Do you find it completely consistent with BC/WoS scum team?
It's certainly believeable. My biggest issue is that I believed that ShiaoPi wasn't scum after Clarity flipped, and I could see the same thing from Ace's perspective.
I'll read more in his filter, and see if there's anything I can gleam from it.
I like that you made the case, if you're sure about it, I want to see you make it stick. Analyze BC and WoS and let me know what you come up with. I'm not particularly looking at BC right now, but WoS certainly has my attention.
Likely died because someone figured out he was JK. Was warming up to the idea of WoS being scum. One of the big claims WoS has to being town is that he pushed Shia over Sylencia. In my mind, this was a distancing attempt and a bus, and I mean it makes sense. Town will almost always go with the cop's red check unless the cop is certain hes insane. Therefore he could look like hes trying to save sylencia when its a mislynch that will solve itself.
No no. You don't get to do this. Do you think I'm scum or not? If you do, tell the fucking thread why.
Here's a little sample about why that's wrong (intersting, but wrong) You're randomly linking points at which someone said I was scummy during the thread. They didn't all think so right before they died: example being OO. Do you also honestly think the reason Sharrant was killed was because I figured him out? LOL. All me figuring it out means is that the whole fucking thread figured it out because for the most part I'm a dumbass. He practically outed himself right at the end, lol.
Actually, I went into their filter and searched ALL of their posts by Wave, and WoS and read all of the results. Thes are the last ones that post an opinon of you.
So what? Were they all cursing my name with their last dying breaths? Was I their main focus...like....ever?
On May 10 2013 05:38 Palmar wrote: you know what, screw it.
##Vote Geript
I kinda like this. If we lynch you and you flip town it makes me have faith that I'll know where to look for some reason. You know what? Palmar, you've inspired me.
The last time a couple posts REALLY struck me as scummy instantly was my second newbie game; I went with my gut on it and was right. TRN, you should remember it well; you helped me lynch Arctic Daishi. Well guess what?
##Vote: TheRavensName
I will still be going through your filter but god damn were those last posts scummy.
You have no idea how hard it is to resist all the analysis on you I did with Sharrant. (The only person who seem to actually want to use the QT for analysis and case building. I wish I could have been perm masoned with him.)
If were going off gut scummy, there have been people who have been far scummier all game. Such as Kush, or Hopeless, or you and palmar.
lol me. Bring it, Raven.
Kush is probably town, god help me I'm thinking Hopeless might be town now as I finish my read, and Palmar is Palmar right now. My vote on you remains until I see a reason to remove it. And there are two things right now that will make me remove it.
And what two things would that be?
Heres a little sample by the way:
i went and decided to analyze the night kills: None of them thought WoS was townie basd off the last time they posted on them OO: + Show Spoiler +
On May 01 2013 12:55 GiygaS wrote: It's certainly a possibility, could you elaborate on it a bit more? I'm interested.
Haven't gotten around to re-reading WoS as mentioned in this (I just pasted it into notepad) but here you go, full on crazy mode OO. + Show Spoiler [you asked for it] +
Random conspiracy theory:
WoS claims miller not because he is self-aware miller, but because he knows he will show up guilty to checks as 3P (same as miller).
On April 28 2013 16:05 raynpelikoneet wrote: WoS promised to provide reads to make people believe him. geript, can you take a look at his filter from D2 and tell me what reads he provided that helps us finding scum? ShiaoPi and GiygaS, and "they deserve to be looked into".
First of all, if WoS thinks ShiaoPi is mafia, why does he think he has been "so wrong" at the start of D2, that he needed to claim..???? Also if he thought he is so wrong, why does he still want to look into ShiaoPi? He doesn't mention anyone as scum suspects that Shiao/GiygaS.
He does no research, just asks people what they do think about people.
On April 28 2013 13:33 Ace wrote: to be extra thorough - while it is still possible WoS is scum that miller claim doesn't warrant a vigi shot. It does nothing to free up extra information, as if WoS flips Miller it is a wasted shot. For now you should give him the benefit of the doubt. Look at other people on the Oats +Shiapi wagon clash cases. yamato and VE are both there. So is Palmar, hopeless1nder, and a few others. WoS is there too but as said I think he gets a temporary pass. Limit that pool via what you know by reading objectively first, then read them from both scum and town p.o.v. Do it for all of them! WoS doesn't come close to being the top vigi target when you do this.
CheeseCake, Palmar, Sharrant (him not convinced yet though):
On April 25 2013 03:07 raynpelikoneet wrote: ... WaveofShadow - what me + TRN said earlier today GiygaS - Did weird stuff on D1, especially his answers to me were not pleasing Clarity_nl - What has been brought up today ShiaoPi - What Vivax said
+ TRN
So that makes CC/Palmar/Me/TRN/somewhat Sharrant. I do not think any of those people are mafia. WoS claimed right after CC-Palmar-Sharrant posted. Overly defensive in the first place, now he says he wanted to avoid a DT check and mislynch on him. Bullshit i say, noone even mentions him being a good check.
On April 28 2013 13:08 raynpelikoneet wrote: So you are taking WoS at face value now because you think it's impossible that he soft-claimed miller as mafia. You are also going to ignore all the suspicious things he has done (as you fucking thought he should be shot earlier, that means you were suspicious of him). I'm going to yell so much at everyone of you if WoS is mafia and is not shot tonight. Based purely on the fact that this post here is 100% right and at least Ace should know it too, and WoS should have read it if he is in fact town miller:
On April 23 2013 05:30 BloodyC0bbler wrote: What reason does town have to make to ever claim miller? Seriously, tell me. All it does is clusterfuck a thread and leaves open ground for mafia to claim as well and thus be cleared as town as he claimed miller. Assume all miller claims are bullshit and kill. If you get red checked you get killed. Its pretty simple. You lynch people who are likely mafia. Town has no reason to ever claim miller EVEN IF THEY KNOW THEY ARE ONE. As all it does is create chaos. IE only mafia have a benefit to claim it thus should be lynched.
I did read it. And he's mostly right. And I've already mentioned it's because I'd rather force a wasted vig shot than a wasted DT check and wasted lynch. Pretty decent reasons to me. Whether or not YOU think this was going to happen or not is irrelevant. It's what I thought was going to happen and so I acted. Simple.
Think on the duality of that statement. Wasting a shot can be thought of as LOL I EAT BULLETS FOR BREAKFAST on top of being thought of I'M TOWN BRO.
I need to review what WoS has been doing recently but this is what I intend to be looking for evidence for at this point, as well as considering the possibility that he is in fact just plain miller.
Or maybe he's scum and suicidal because of what we've seen has been the presence of his team, I don't know? Really need to take another look through....
This does NOT explain any of the other kills or ANYTHING of the sort, I did no thinking outside of entertaining the idea, but if it's a possibility given what's presented here and any other kills can be explained by it, then maybe we caught ourselves a crafty one.
Contrary to this idea: He's been pretty okay with dying in his words, but if he starts fighting his lynch after accepting that he has to die I might be concerned. Anyway there are what, 2 scum left to kill, he has a vested interest in finding them as well if he is 3P. Remember that BH just clarified that 3P kills are compulsive, as in they must shoot every night, so someone go Bill Nye on this if you want or go nowhere with it, I am going back to Vivax' filter.
P.S Rayn is really good at this game, total serious, <3
Was entertaining the idea of a conspiracy theory that WoS was faking the miller claim. In fact, its his last real read post before the big BC case. Vivax:+ Show Spoiler +
On April 24 2013 00:08 Vivax wrote: Scummy: Yamato, clarity,
Semi-Scummy: Palmar, WoS, OO, BM, ShiaoPi
Null: BC, Rayn, Hopeless, VE
Townie: Everyone else
No medic for me if Oats flips red, thx.
I need to rework on this. I wrote it cause I thought it was a nightless game, cause instant majority and such. Reading the OP helps sometimes :|
(Although he was going to die for nailing Shiao and Clarity during the night phase anyways.) Mr. CC: Died after claiming cop, mafia milked a mislynch then shot him before he could nail anyone else. Wanted WoS shot pretty badly, not a stretch to say he would oppose a lynch of him. Rayn:+ Show Spoiler +
On April 29 2013 05:50 WaveofShadow wrote: Won't be able to post in earnest before daypost. Shoot me if you must, but imo I'd have a look at the people who WANT me dead and are calling me scum vs the ones who say that I must die simply because of the claim. GL town, you're in good hands. This def wasn't a great game for me; playing too pussy = bad. If I somehow survive I'm going balls out
I don't think there is anyone who thinks you are much town at the moment, so i'd rather look for people who are making scummy stuff instead of focusing on those who accuse you. Because, let's be hnest, this kind of stuff is what makes you look worse. You just OMGUS-read the people accusing you.
Even WoS remembers this one. VE: Similiar to CC, wanted WoS either shot or eventually lynched. Also likely was dead regardless due to well, for being a cop. Sharrant: + Show Spoiler +
On May 06 2013 05:01 getmoript wrote: Sharrant, what do you think of my analysis of Ace's play. Do you find it completely consistent with BC/WoS scum team?
It's certainly believeable. My biggest issue is that I believed that ShiaoPi wasn't scum after Clarity flipped, and I could see the same thing from Ace's perspective.
I'll read more in his filter, and see if there's anything I can gleam from it.
I like that you made the case, if you're sure about it, I want to see you make it stick. Analyze BC and WoS and let me know what you come up with. I'm not particularly looking at BC right now, but WoS certainly has my attention.
Likely died because someone figured out he was JK. Was warming up to the idea of WoS being scum. One of the big claims WoS has to being town is that he pushed Shia over Sylencia. In my mind, this was a distancing attempt and a bus, and I mean it makes sense. Town will almost always go with the cop's red check unless the cop is certain hes insane. Therefore he could look like hes trying to save sylencia when its a mislynch that will solve itself.
No no. You don't get to do this. Do you think I'm scum or not? If you do, tell the fucking thread why.
Here's a little sample about why that's wrong (intersting, but wrong) You're randomly linking points at which someone said I was scummy during the thread. They didn't all think so right before they died: example being OO. Do you also honestly think the reason Sharrant was killed was because I figured him out? LOL. All me figuring it out means is that the whole fucking thread figured it out because for the most part I'm a dumbass. He practically outed himself right at the end, lol.
Actually, I went into their filter and searched ALL of their posts by Wave, and WoS and read all of the results. Thes are the last ones that post an opinon of you.
So what? Were they all cursing my name with their last dying breaths? Was I their main focus...like....ever?
AM I SCUM OR NOT?
I DON'T FUCKING KNOW! AM I?
I don't know. But the difference between what you did and what I did is I'm showing commitment to a read. I'm systematically going through and seeing if I can back up my gutread on you.
On May 10 2013 05:38 Palmar wrote: you know what, screw it.
##Vote Geript
I kinda like this. If we lynch you and you flip town it makes me have faith that I'll know where to look for some reason. You know what? Palmar, you've inspired me.
The last time a couple posts REALLY struck me as scummy instantly was my second newbie game; I went with my gut on it and was right. TRN, you should remember it well; you helped me lynch Arctic Daishi. Well guess what?
##Vote: TheRavensName
I will still be going through your filter but god damn were those last posts scummy.
You have no idea how hard it is to resist all the analysis on you I did with Sharrant. (The only person who seem to actually want to use the QT for analysis and case building. I wish I could have been perm masoned with him.)
If were going off gut scummy, there have been people who have been far scummier all game. Such as Kush, or Hopeless, or you and palmar.
You just threatened me with some shit from a mason QT amongst a bunch of other scumreads, and tried to divert me to 'scummier' people in the thread. And when I asked you specifically about the things you posted I found scummy, you ignored it.
See the difference there?
I've been pointing out whats wrong with you all game. Your so fucking townie but at the same time unbelivably scummy. Ihave literally no idea what to think, because as soon as I make an opinion on you something happens to completly change it. Sense Yamato didn't flip red, I don't care about my case on you anymore. i only like to accuse people when I got an idea who they could be working with. The last idea I had for you flipped green so I dunno what to think anymore and am willing to believe this setup is just silly at this point.
On May 10 2013 06:22 TheRavensName wrote: AND YOU! You show up out of no where and just post random little bursts of useless crap. Your entire filter is these shrot bursts of nothing without a single case that contains more then 1 or 2 reasonings. The fuck man? Have you pushed an original idea yet?
Yup. See early game when I proved hopeless was scum because didn't know why town had to check the op.
It took me like twenty rereads to even begin to understand that. What have you done sense then?
On May 10 2013 09:58 kushm4sta wrote: yeah TRN I have been a useless lazy piece of shit this game. Everyone knows that already. I'm sorry that it makes you mad but this is the reality.. I AM LAZY TOWN. Have you never encountered that before?
Sadly, i was hoping when i finished my noobies I wouldn't have to encounter it again.
On May 10 2013 12:02 kushm4sta wrote: not a big fan of cases. I don't like reading them and i don't like writing them.
So what do you do and why are you playing mafia if you don't like cases or readin?
I like to read the thread (except when I get behind like 10 pages then it sucks) and I like to figure out who mafia is. IMO writing long cases is something mafia like to do to look like town. Also when town writes them, they are more often than not wrong and they reinforce confirmation bias.
Well, I understand that setiment.I don't like to use big quotes for the most part, its only something I reccently started to try. I think it makes things confusing.
On May 11 2013 07:33 BloodyC0bbler wrote: .................... what the hell is happening
Make massive case on you, no one votes. Write one paragraph on TRN, 2 sheep within an hour. That's mafia.
Yes, 2 people sheeping for bad reasons is in fact MAFIA.
i can't believe you guys are willing to push me over say BM or Kuh or anyone else who has done nothing and shows up enough to not get warned. Why push anything when you got the town killing itself?
Especially if you got people who are willing to vote with their scum reads. The hell guys?
You know what? i think i'm going to change my vote to BM. The man has no thread presence, low activity, fake claimed miller day 1 then backed off it when it blew up in his face, and apparently pays so little attention that he thinks BC, not myself, could be an Umbridge. He is skating on by despite not saying anything that makes sense.
On May 11 2013 10:59 kushm4sta wrote: balance argument was for lynching you bc, not palmar. or you or palmar but mostly you. and ofc its not the only thing I consider just a factor.
Also this trn shit is retarded. TRN really does not look like first time scum.
I olled scum in the last noobie game I played. WoS saw it. I tunnel as scum.
On May 11 2013 12:54 kushm4sta wrote: wait wait TRN isn't first time scum?? and he bussed first time as scum?? lolol so he's aggro scum ok ##unvote ##vote TRN
On May 11 2013 12:54 kushm4sta wrote: wait wait TRN isn't first time scum?? and he bussed first time as scum?? lolol so he's aggro scum ok ##unvote ##vote TRN
On May 11 2013 13:30 GiygaS wrote: So the main thing against TRN is the fact he's never voted scum? There's also the matter of Vivax already flipping town mason :/ I'm gonna dig through his filter and make a decision from there.
My Logic was Shiao was dead anyways. I wanted it known i was going after palmar. By that logic, you know who else must be scum? Artanis.
On May 11 2013 14:43 kushm4sta wrote: fuck i need to put time into this game to figure shit out but i had a terrible day so thats not happening today. umm i guess ill switch back to hopeless. he said some townie sounding shit yeah, but honestly I still think he's scum because he didn't know why DBZ had to check op. as dumb as that sounds lol
Can you explain to me how this is a scummy thing? Please?
On May 11 2013 15:16 kushm4sta wrote: oh by DBZ i meant VE. VE says fuck you host for making me check the OP. Now all townies know what he means. Because every townie got pmed some random ass role name without a color, so they had to go to the OP and figure out wait wtf am I? Hopeless did not know what VE meant. Because he didn't realize that townies had to check op. because he's not a townie.
Everyone had to check op. Thats a fucking stupid reason to lynch someone.
Huh, looking at the votecount staying on BM is a bad idea and likely a waste. I have to go out of town for today so I won't be able to push it. i guess I'll swap to hopeless sense A so many people think hes scum and I've been wrong before. B, I kiknda don't wanna die.
Well alot of people think BM has been acting strangely and that based off the first few ills was that a vet must be on the scum team. BM does fit the profile.
On May 13 2013 05:05 Bill Murray wrote: ##vote: no lynch
Here's why: The game has gotten stale. We are going to have to NL eventually. More NK analysis would be beneficial for the town... actually, we don't have to NL, and town may gain a ML if we lynch correctly - but I feel like more time to analyze voting/more information from kills will help us in the longrun
assuming 1 more kill, it will be 7 left, with 2 scum. that's 1 mislynch, then LYLO. Cut and dry; black and white; a and b. period.
i liked this idea, and then I realized you were the one suggesting it.
On May 13 2013 08:49 getmoript wrote: I don't think now is the time to no lynch. It's 6-2 right now; assuming we no lynch, scum can just put us in the same situation tomorrow by no NK.
@Palmar: did you send in a check?
Well then we just no lynch again and we have a never ending game until scum just concede by shooting their rbains out.
On May 14 2013 01:05 Palmar wrote: no it doesnt...
How doesn't it? BM pushing for an unnecessary no lynch just gives mafia a free night kill without even an attemptto hit them first.
Because of exactly that. It's a dumb idea regardless of your faction.
Not really. When I was scum coach told me to say yes to no lynch, because it meant we got a free kill that was less likely to be analyzed for much and uh something or another, all i know is i didn't listen and died for it.
On May 15 2013 02:14 Blazinghand wrote: Day 8 ends in just under 24 hours from this post, at Wednesday, May 15 5:00pm GMT (GMT+00:00). If no majority is reached before that time, the day ends in a no-lynch. It is mandatory to vote before day end.
Alright people, you heard the man. Let's do this please.
Whelp, i didn't like Kush before, like him less now. Like palmar less now too but thats for another time. Go go kush BM scum team.
On May 16 2013 03:39 GiygaS wrote: Yup, I'm waiting til the NK before doing any serious analysis, let alone post it. We don't want mafia to know who the targets are while they decide a NK. Waiting til day is simply the best option at the moment. I'll be doing some serious filter diving after school today.
This! Though at this point not sure we need to worry about WIFOM. its pretty obvious whos dead tomorrow.
On May 18 2013 08:59 Ace wrote: Ok I see. It's marv's fault but to preserve the integrity of the game you feel hosts would have to modkill the entire hydra, sad as it may be for geript due to his partner's mistake.
I don'tsee why not really... I mean they win together, die together, why not be modkilled together? In a way marv can still count this as a win because his other half won.
I dunno... only protection role being the one that has to roleblock the third party, two atleast semi broken cops, and 2 masoners that ere likely to get each other kill on the belief one must be umbridge.
On May 18 2013 14:43 WaveofShadow wrote: Oh also Geript if you see this as well, I got your nutter butter comment, you fuckhead. Don't quit playing dude; one of these days maybe we'll actually work together and do something useful on the same team.
Noooo...... Not the nutter butters! FUCK YOU GERIPT!