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TheRavensName
Profile Joined August 2011
United States911 Posts
March 30 2013 04:13 GMT
#61
/in

Looks fun.
I once breadcrumbed watcher in a game with no watchers in the setup.
TheRavensName
Profile Joined August 2011
United States911 Posts
March 30 2013 04:50 GMT
#64
On March 30 2013 13:35 Rainbows wrote:
/in

Raven said it looks fun.

Whyd you take out your quote about how I breadcrumbed watcher? That was great lol.
I once breadcrumbed watcher in a game with no watchers in the setup.
TheRavensName
Profile Joined August 2011
United States911 Posts
March 30 2013 05:02 GMT
#65
I have a question about Serial Poisioner sense I've never seen one before. If you block the kill, say with a medic or jailer, do you have to block it the day it would go out, or the next day when it triggers?
I once breadcrumbed watcher in a game with no watchers in the setup.
TheRavensName
Profile Joined August 2011
United States911 Posts
March 30 2013 05:05 GMT
#66
On March 25 2013 05:17 gonzaw wrote:

Or take that "love potion" and just put it in the drink of anybody you want. Should not be that hard. After that have fun for the next days and you can convince them to do anything.

How fucking uncreative those guys are is what angers me the most about those books/films.

I think they call this date rape... not creativitiy. I want to policy lynch Gonzaw now...
I once breadcrumbed watcher in a game with no watchers in the setup.
TheRavensName
Profile Joined August 2011
United States911 Posts
March 30 2013 14:22 GMT
#76
On March 30 2013 19:07 Promethelax wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 30 2013 15:15 Frorgon wrote:
Thing is, I'm sick of newbie games where half the people don't even play, or just act like scum because they don't know how to contribute. So it's either I try one of the big games or I just stop playing altogether.


Normal minis are the better answer, big games often have some level of lurkfest/spamfest. Often, inexplicably, at the same time.

E: my personal advice would be to play out your newbies, the use of coaches is an incredible asset which you can and should use to its fullest extent before removing yourself from those games. Big games are a big change.

I never remember to use my coach anyways
I once breadcrumbed watcher in a game with no watchers in the setup.
TheRavensName
Profile Joined August 2011
United States911 Posts
March 31 2013 00:31 GMT
#82
On March 31 2013 09:13 cDgCorazon wrote:
I like how my idea got stolen T.T

I'm kidding, this was a lot more in-depth than mine (just because I only had to write 7 roles).

It also has names.
I once breadcrumbed watcher in a game with no watchers in the setup.
TheRavensName
Profile Joined August 2011
United States911 Posts
March 31 2013 16:28 GMT
#83
I would find it funny if Ace joined and rolled Voldemort.
I once breadcrumbed watcher in a game with no watchers in the setup.
TheRavensName
Profile Joined August 2011
United States911 Posts
April 03 2013 04:59 GMT
#98
On April 03 2013 13:28 gonzaw wrote:
There could be a good "Newbie Q&A" of sorts.

Like, we play an "example" standard game, and newbies all both observe and shadow players (exclusively perhaps)
Then when it ends, we have an organized way to discuss specific stuff that happened in the game. Specific plays, specific ways to catch specific people, etc

We have all the newbies post their thoughts about it, or questions, and the "vets" and players post their explanations for it and stuff.
Basically make a sort of "transition" game that focuses on giving newbies a more friendly way to analyze games and shit.

...or not, I dunno.

So like a simulation game? You would need very specific people who be okay with playing a predetermined game and have to do it in a way that is easy to understand but doesn't also give it away. Seems a little unlikely.
I once breadcrumbed watcher in a game with no watchers in the setup.
TheRavensName
Profile Joined August 2011
United States911 Posts
April 03 2013 05:00 GMT
#99
On April 03 2013 13:03 WaveofShadow wrote:
All those newbies who have yet to play their last may as well sign up for Newbie XL right now because this game won't be starting for quite a while.

You really think it will take that long?
I once breadcrumbed watcher in a game with no watchers in the setup.
TheRavensName
Profile Joined August 2011
United States911 Posts
April 19 2013 23:36 GMT
#210
On April 19 2013 14:41 Oatsmaster wrote:
/obs

I think you spelt /in wrong.....
I once breadcrumbed watcher in a game with no watchers in the setup.
TheRavensName
Profile Joined August 2011
United States911 Posts
April 20 2013 23:12 GMT
#232
I think that video gave me a brain tumor.....
I once breadcrumbed watcher in a game with no watchers in the setup.
TheRavensName
Profile Joined August 2011
United States911 Posts
April 21 2013 13:38 GMT
#303
Huh... I was curious to see how big boys start playing the game... and less then a page's worth of posting totals I see an OMGuS. I feel somewhat surprised; apparently the way newbies open mafia games is the right way?

PS: Bill Murray yelling indoors is really mean.
I once breadcrumbed watcher in a game with no watchers in the setup.
TheRavensName
Profile Joined August 2011
United States911 Posts
April 21 2013 13:48 GMT
#306
On April 21 2013 22:42 Vivax wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 21 2013 22:38 TheRavensName wrote:
Huh... I was curious to see how big boys start playing the game... and less then a page's worth of posting totals I see an OMGuS. I feel somewhat surprised; apparently the way newbies open mafia games is the right way?

PS: Bill Murray yelling indoors is really mean.


Oooo, an omgus, interesting.
Are you okay with the way Oats is playing the game?

I'm not a 100% sure what hes doing, but if you want to call it playing then... maybe? Truth be told the fact that palmer just randomly takes offense to a baseless acucsation in a game that just started doesn't make a lot of since to me.
I once breadcrumbed watcher in a game with no watchers in the setup.
TheRavensName
Profile Joined August 2011
United States911 Posts
April 21 2013 14:01 GMT
#310
On April 21 2013 22:52 Vivax wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 21 2013 22:48 TheRavensName wrote:
On April 21 2013 22:42 Vivax wrote:
On April 21 2013 22:38 TheRavensName wrote:
Huh... I was curious to see how big boys start playing the game... and less then a page's worth of posting totals I see an OMGuS. I feel somewhat surprised; apparently the way newbies open mafia games is the right way?

PS: Bill Murray yelling indoors is really mean.


Oooo, an omgus, interesting.
Are you okay with the way Oats is playing the game?

I'm not a 100% sure what hes doing, but if you want to call it playing then... maybe? Truth be told the fact that palmer just randomly takes offense to a baseless acucsation in a game that just started doesn't make a lot of since to me.


He's asking for a base to the accusation, precisely.
Do you have any ideas to get some discussion started? Your entrance kinda looked like you tried to downplay what's going on in the thread, which in turn makes me think you're trying to communicate reasons for not doing anything.
Do you think this description fits your play or did your posts have other purposes?


I thought it just genuinely showed disapointment. I've always had difficulty understand what to do at the start of day 1, and I see that there really is no good way to start day 1 in a purely productive way. So I suppose your right, I'm trying to downplay what happens because it doesn't seem productive, unless of course we need to know why Yamato has many weapons that arn' t guns.....

And I think its more suspicious to ask in that way rather than, just ask.... seeing as how he didn't even vote baselessly or hasn't made an ssue out of it yet. If we went after everyone who accused someone day 1 just kinda in passing, we'd never get anything resembling a case or something.
I once breadcrumbed watcher in a game with no watchers in the setup.
TheRavensName
Profile Joined August 2011
United States911 Posts
April 21 2013 14:19 GMT
#315
On April 21 2013 23:09 Vivax wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 21 2013 23:01 TheRavensName wrote:
On April 21 2013 22:52 Vivax wrote:
On April 21 2013 22:48 TheRavensName wrote:
On April 21 2013 22:42 Vivax wrote:
On April 21 2013 22:38 TheRavensName wrote:
Huh... I was curious to see how big boys start playing the game... and less then a page's worth of posting totals I see an OMGuS. I feel somewhat surprised; apparently the way newbies open mafia games is the right way?

PS: Bill Murray yelling indoors is really mean.


Oooo, an omgus, interesting.
Are you okay with the way Oats is playing the game?

I'm not a 100% sure what hes doing, but if you want to call it playing then... maybe? Truth be told the fact that palmer just randomly takes offense to a baseless acucsation in a game that just started doesn't make a lot of since to me.


He's asking for a base to the accusation, precisely.
Do you have any ideas to get some discussion started? Your entrance kinda looked like you tried to downplay what's going on in the thread, which in turn makes me think you're trying to communicate reasons for not doing anything.
Do you think this description fits your play or did your posts have other purposes?


I thought it just genuinely showed disapointment. I've always had difficulty understand what to do at the start of day 1, and I see that there really is no good way to start day 1 in a purely productive way. So I suppose your right, I'm trying to downplay what happens because it doesn't seem productive, unless of course we need to know why Yamato has many weapons that arn' t guns.....

And I think its more suspicious to ask in that way rather than, just ask.... seeing as how he didn't even vote baselessly or hasn't made an ssue out of it yet. If we went after everyone who accused someone day 1 just kinda in passing, we'd never get anything resembling a case or something.


I don't think Oats would answer even if Palmar just asked, cause Oats rather seems to be trolling and careless about getting something productive out of this day.
P said he would vote for him until he heard a proper motivation from Oats to call him scum, nothing followed, so Oats seems to oppose discussion and doesn't want to show his townieness through cooperation.

The question is: How do we handle people who don't want to cooperate? Do we threaten Oats with a lynch? Do we ask him nicely to play like someone that puts thought into his posts?


/shrug And what will we get out of threatening him at all? What does either lynching him for not liking a posted policy(? (Thats what that was right?)) or becase he just decided to troll actually accomplish (I think this one is more likely)? These are literaly the only responses he could make (That make any logical since and any others should count as trolling really) and I just don't see how either could prove guilt or innocense. But if you feel so strong on making him talk, why arn't you voting for him since apparently one vote isn't going to cut it?
I once breadcrumbed watcher in a game with no watchers in the setup.
TheRavensName
Profile Joined August 2011
United States911 Posts
April 21 2013 14:27 GMT
#317
On April 21 2013 23:22 Vivax wrote:
+ Show Spoiler +
On April 21 2013 23:19 TheRavensName wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 21 2013 23:09 Vivax wrote:
On April 21 2013 23:01 TheRavensName wrote:
On April 21 2013 22:52 Vivax wrote:
On April 21 2013 22:48 TheRavensName wrote:
On April 21 2013 22:42 Vivax wrote:
On April 21 2013 22:38 TheRavensName wrote:
Huh... I was curious to see how big boys start playing the game... and less then a page's worth of posting totals I see an OMGuS. I feel somewhat surprised; apparently the way newbies open mafia games is the right way?

PS: Bill Murray yelling indoors is really mean.


Oooo, an omgus, interesting.
Are you okay with the way Oats is playing the game?

I'm not a 100% sure what hes doing, but if you want to call it playing then... maybe? Truth be told the fact that palmer just randomly takes offense to a baseless acucsation in a game that just started doesn't make a lot of since to me.


He's asking for a base to the accusation, precisely.
Do you have any ideas to get some discussion started? Your entrance kinda looked like you tried to downplay what's going on in the thread, which in turn makes me think you're trying to communicate reasons for not doing anything.
Do you think this description fits your play or did your posts have other purposes?


I thought it just genuinely showed disapointment. I've always had difficulty understand what to do at the start of day 1, and I see that there really is no good way to start day 1 in a purely productive way. So I suppose your right, I'm trying to downplay what happens because it doesn't seem productive, unless of course we need to know why Yamato has many weapons that arn' t guns.....

And I think its more suspicious to ask in that way rather than, just ask.... seeing as how he didn't even vote baselessly or hasn't made an ssue out of it yet. If we went after everyone who accused someone day 1 just kinda in passing, we'd never get anything resembling a case or something.


I don't think Oats would answer even if Palmar just asked, cause Oats rather seems to be trolling and careless about getting something productive out of this day.
P said he would vote for him until he heard a proper motivation from Oats to call him scum, nothing followed, so Oats seems to oppose discussion and doesn't want to show his townieness through cooperation.

The question is: How do we handle people who don't want to cooperate? Do we threaten Oats with a lynch? Do we ask him nicely to play like someone that puts thought into his posts?


/shrug And what will we get out of threatening him at all? What does either lynching him for not liking a posted policy(? (Thats what that was right?)) or becase he just decided to troll actually accomplish (I think this one is more likely)? These are literaly the only responses he could make (That make any logical since and any others should count as trolling really) and I just don't see how either could prove guilt or innocense. But if you feel so strong on making him talk, why arn't you voting for him since apparently one vote isn't going to cut it?


How will you handle someone that denies every insight into his thoughts, posting random, baseless accusations, sarcastically admitting he's scum, and whom you won't be able to read?

Would you lynch such a person or not?

Yes... but I wouldn't just jump on them for trolling at the start of the game and making one insight that touched a nerve.

You also didn't answer my question: If your so intent on making him talk, why are you not voting for him yourself?
I once breadcrumbed watcher in a game with no watchers in the setup.
TheRavensName
Profile Joined August 2011
United States911 Posts
April 21 2013 15:11 GMT
#326
On April 21 2013 23:50 Palmar wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 21 2013 23:01 TheRavensName wrote:
On April 21 2013 22:52 Vivax wrote:
On April 21 2013 22:48 TheRavensName wrote:
On April 21 2013 22:42 Vivax wrote:
On April 21 2013 22:38 TheRavensName wrote:
Huh... I was curious to see how big boys start playing the game... and less then a page's worth of posting totals I see an OMGuS. I feel somewhat surprised; apparently the way newbies open mafia games is the right way?

PS: Bill Murray yelling indoors is really mean.


Oooo, an omgus, interesting.
Are you okay with the way Oats is playing the game?

I'm not a 100% sure what hes doing, but if you want to call it playing then... maybe? Truth be told the fact that palmer just randomly takes offense to a baseless acucsation in a game that just started doesn't make a lot of since to me.


He's asking for a base to the accusation, precisely.
Do you have any ideas to get some discussion started? Your entrance kinda looked like you tried to downplay what's going on in the thread, which in turn makes me think you're trying to communicate reasons for not doing anything.
Do you think this description fits your play or did your posts have other purposes?


I thought it just genuinely showed disapointment. I've always had difficulty understand what to do at the start of day 1, and I see that there really is no good way to start day 1 in a purely productive way. So I suppose your right, I'm trying to downplay what happens because it doesn't seem productive, unless of course we need to know why Yamato has many weapons that arn' t guns.....

And I think its more suspicious to ask in that way rather than, just ask.... seeing as how he didn't even vote baselessly or hasn't made an ssue out of it yet. If we went after everyone who accused someone day 1 just kinda in passing, we'd never get anything resembling a case or something.


3. You seem confused as to what to do on day 1. I gave a short explanation not long ago on hapa/drh's podcast thingee. The goal of day 1 is to make people fear for their lives, which is precisely what I mean to do with Oats.



Which one?
I once breadcrumbed watcher in a game with no watchers in the setup.
TheRavensName
Profile Joined August 2011
United States911 Posts
April 21 2013 16:36 GMT
#382
On April 22 2013 01:27 kushm4sta wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 22 2013 01:25 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:
On April 22 2013 01:23 kushm4sta wrote:
WE knew that's what VE meant because we are town. Scum prob didn't know what he meant. Now you just explained it to them.


Why wouldn't scum know what he meant? They had to do the exact same thing, the only difference is they had a QT in their PM. They still have to look up if they are framer,rber,godfather or whatever. Literally every person has to reference the op for their role, regardless of alignment.

Yes but it would be very difficult for scum to realize that TOWN had to look at the OP as well.
Scum would not say "oh shit I had to look at the OP" because they would have no idea if town ALSO had to look at the OP.


I understand now, thank you Kush.
I once breadcrumbed watcher in a game with no watchers in the setup.
TheRavensName
Profile Joined August 2011
United States911 Posts
April 22 2013 01:32 GMT
#587
Thank you for directing me to the podcast. I ended up listening to it while I did some work and read the thread before having to run off to do some errands. Huge help in making me understand a little bit more. Still not sure I understand how spam is town, but apparently the expliantion is spam is townie... Since basically they said if your really active no one will want to kill you and that seems like good scum motivation too.
+ Show Spoiler +

On April 22 2013 04:56 Sharrant wrote:
@TheRavensName
Who would you like to lynch right now?

Could you please link me to any games you have played on TL or elsewhere?

Do you think Oats is more likely scum, or more likely town?



Since I was asked, I have been in the last 3 NMM games in a row, your free to find them yourself (Isn't there a big database of games?) but I don't really think I can read into how I playbecause I ended up playing differently all three games.

I don't know how Oats plays so I dunno if he really just spams that much at the start, so I will ignore that. I like how he points out the thing about Palmer's town read and trying to act like it was super awesome when it didn't do much so yea.... I feel like its a good point and its the only thing of any real substance in his filter. So, I would like to see something that seems more useful; I don't want to make a judgement off of basically one real point repeated a few points.

I would be against lynching Rayn. In one of the Newbie games we played together we were in a similar situation and he took the opportunity to rip through me and just tunnel the entire game, so I think if he was scum this would be unlike him and I feel like I could have been a pretty easy push if he wanted to since he managed to basically do it before off less, even if there are much better people here who could see through it. (Unless he wantsto be my budy. dun dun dun.)

In the same vain, I think Sharrant started out by taking a really easy way out of attacking me right out the gate and then just focuses on me and pushes around till hearing a few people saying that I was at least not scum, and then hops on Rayn without any real expliantion besides that hes going after BM for the miller soft claim and the fact that BM seems to be being useless, but that makes Ray more scummy then BM or someone else when Ray is actually being fairly active?

So based off what I can figure out, I dislike Sharrant. He was convinced I was vote worthy, then hoped off before I got a chance to respond, but doesn't want to make a comment on BM til lBM shows up. Seems sketchy for me, and would probably be my vote target at the moment, but there is plenty of reading to be done and lots of time for more things to read.
I once breadcrumbed watcher in a game with no watchers in the setup.
TheRavensName
Profile Joined August 2011
United States911 Posts
April 22 2013 01:46 GMT
#595
On April 22 2013 10:40 WaveofShadow wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 22 2013 10:32 TheRavensName wrote:
Thank you for directing me to the podcast. I ended up listening to it while I did some work and read the thread before having to run off to do some errands. Huge help in making me understand a little bit more. Still not sure I understand how spam is town, but apparently the expliantion is spam is townie... Since basically they said if your really active no one will want to kill you and that seems like good scum motivation too.
+ Show Spoiler +

On April 22 2013 04:56 Sharrant wrote:
@TheRavensName
Who would you like to lynch right now?

Could you please link me to any games you have played on TL or elsewhere?

Do you think Oats is more likely scum, or more likely town?



Since I was asked, I have been in the last 3 NMM games in a row, your free to find them yourself (Isn't there a big database of games?) but I don't really think I can read into how I playbecause I ended up playing differently all three games.

I don't know how Oats plays so I dunno if he really just spams that much at the start, so I will ignore that. I like how he points out the thing about Palmer's town read and trying to act like it was super awesome when it didn't do much so yea.... I feel like its a good point and its the only thing of any real substance in his filter. So, I would like to see something that seems more useful; I don't want to make a judgement off of basically one real point repeated a few points.

I would be against lynching Rayn. In one of the Newbie games we played together we were in a similar situation and he took the opportunity to rip through me and just tunnel the entire game, so I think if he was scum this would be unlike him and I feel like I could have been a pretty easy push if he wanted to since he managed to basically do it before off less, even if there are much better people here who could see through it. (Unless he wantsto be my budy. dun dun dun.)

In the same vain, I think Sharrant started out by taking a really easy way out of attacking me right out the gate and then just focuses on me and pushes around till hearing a few people saying that I was at least not scum, and then hops on Rayn without any real expliantion besides that hes going after BM for the miller soft claim and the fact that BM seems to be being useless, but that makes Ray more scummy then BM or someone else when Ray is actually being fairly active?

So based off what I can figure out, I dislike Sharrant. He was convinced I was vote worthy, then hoped off before I got a chance to respond, but doesn't want to make a comment on BM til lBM shows up. Seems sketchy for me, and would probably be my vote target at the moment, but there is plenty of reading to be done and lots of time for more things to read.

Your sentences are the run-onniest.
You're basing your entire read on Rayn on the one game of meta you have with him and how he treated you specifically this game?

Its enough that I like him a little more then everyone else. I am taking it with a grain of salt though. I was under the impression that out of 25 people one should do what they can to try and limit the number just a little bit to a more managable size.
I once breadcrumbed watcher in a game with no watchers in the setup.
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