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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43268 Posts
April 10 2013 03:54 GMT
#137
/in
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43268 Posts
April 20 2013 15:45 GMT
#225
Let's get this party started!
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43268 Posts
April 21 2013 00:35 GMT
#234
In 2,5 hours if i'm counted right.
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43268 Posts
April 21 2013 15:30 GMT
#330
Sup guys.

On April 22 2013 00:08 Vivax wrote:
Not sure what to make of BM "claiming" snape like that. If I were to make a crazy guess, he's checking whether the real snape shows up contesting the claim, then say he posted some random shit cause he was drunk (cause that's what his posts look like ). And if the real snape doesn't show up, he will claim he's snape.

That'd be pretty ballsy, but effective scumplay. Let's see what BM has to say regarding this.


What's in your opinion the point of doing this as we can't know how many of each roles are in the game? If there is someone who claims snape, why can't BM be another one?

TRN and Palmar are probably town.
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43268 Posts
April 21 2013 16:06 GMT
#352
On April 22 2013 00:30 raynpelikoneet wrote:

Show nested quote +
On April 22 2013 00:08 Vivax wrote:
Not sure what to make of BM "claiming" snape like that. If I were to make a crazy guess, he's checking whether the real snape shows up contesting the claim, then say he posted some random shit cause he was drunk (cause that's what his posts look like ). And if the real snape doesn't show up, he will claim he's snape.

That'd be pretty ballsy, but effective scumplay. Let's see what BM has to say regarding this.


What's in your opinion the point of doing this as we can't know how many of each roles are in the game? If there is someone who claims snape, why can't BM be another one?

Vivax could you answer this?
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43268 Posts
April 21 2013 16:16 GMT
#357
On April 22 2013 01:11 Vivax wrote:
+ Show Spoiler +
On April 22 2013 01:06 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 22 2013 00:30 raynpelikoneet wrote:

On April 22 2013 00:08 Vivax wrote:
Not sure what to make of BM "claiming" snape like that. If I were to make a crazy guess, he's checking whether the real snape shows up contesting the claim, then say he posted some random shit cause he was drunk (cause that's what his posts look like ). And if the real snape doesn't show up, he will claim he's snape.

That'd be pretty ballsy, but effective scumplay. Let's see what BM has to say regarding this.


What's in your opinion the point of doing this as we can't know how many of each roles are in the game? If there is someone who claims snape, why can't BM be another one?

Vivax could you answer this?


I don't think there can be two self-aware millers. Don't see much point in discussing that atm, why does it concern you at this point? BM didn't even answer yet.

Because the OP clearly states there can be multiple number of same roles, so discussing if there are one or more self-aware millers in stupid in the first place.

Anyone who claims miller on D1 should be lynched.

##Vote: Bill Murray
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43268 Posts
April 21 2013 16:23 GMT
#364
On April 22 2013 01:11 Vivax wrote:
+ Show Spoiler +
On April 22 2013 01:06 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 22 2013 00:30 raynpelikoneet wrote:

On April 22 2013 00:08 Vivax wrote:
Not sure what to make of BM "claiming" snape like that. If I were to make a crazy guess, he's checking whether the real snape shows up contesting the claim, then say he posted some random shit cause he was drunk (cause that's what his posts look like ). And if the real snape doesn't show up, he will claim he's snape.

That'd be pretty ballsy, but effective scumplay. Let's see what BM has to say regarding this.


What's in your opinion the point of doing this as we can't know how many of each roles are in the game? If there is someone who claims snape, why can't BM be another one?

Vivax could you answer this?


I don't think there can be two self-aware millers. Don't see much point in discussing that atm, why does it concern you at this point? BM didn't even answer yet.


What concerns me about you on this is the following:
You state that there is no reason to discuss this atm, yet you are giving BM an out in the first place by discussing the matter and saying this kinda stuff:
he posted some random shit cause he was drunk (cause that's what his posts look like ).And if the real snape doesn't show up, he will claim he's snape.

Why are you so eager to give BM the "right" answers if you want him to expalin himself?
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43268 Posts
April 21 2013 16:25 GMT
#367
On April 22 2013 01:23 kushm4sta wrote:
WE knew that's what VE meant because we are town. Scum prob didn't know what he meant. Now you just explained it to them.

I think that ship sailed already.
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43268 Posts
April 21 2013 16:33 GMT
#377
Agreed.

How about we lynch the guy who claimed miller?
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43268 Posts
April 21 2013 16:35 GMT
#381
On April 22 2013 01:34 kushm4sta wrote:
Millers should all follow BM's example and claim.

No, that's stupid.
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43268 Posts
April 21 2013 16:37 GMT
#384
On April 22 2013 01:36 kushm4sta wrote:
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On April 22 2013 01:35 raynpelikoneet wrote:
On April 22 2013 01:34 kushm4sta wrote:
Millers should all follow BM's example and claim.

No, that's stupid.

self aware millers should always claim. that is a simple fact of the game. there is no downside to it.

Yes there is, if you don't know if they even exist/how many of them there are.

Everyone who claims miller should be lynched.
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43268 Posts
April 21 2013 16:41 GMT
#388
getmoript is there anyone who you'd like to... you know.. lynch? That's kinda the point of the game if you are town..
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43268 Posts
April 21 2013 19:04 GMT
#435
On April 22 2013 03:01 getmoript wrote:
It's me and Marv, but really more like reverse shadowing or something similar. Honestly VE, I think you're being a bit unreasonable here.

Let me get this straight. This is geript and marv both and you are both playing?
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43268 Posts
April 21 2013 20:56 GMT
#468
OO:

Sharrant. Will be explaining in a bit, making food right now.
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43268 Posts
April 21 2013 21:35 GMT
#483
On April 22 2013 05:48 ObviousOne wrote:
One more filter then I'm going to go level my Priest some more.

Oh. My. God. Tube is in this game. LOL. HI TUBE! (we played in a newbie together, my first game! He hasn't posted anything so skipping for now.)

Raynpelikoneet, sorry to pick on you again for like the third straight game in a row together. You want to lynch the "claimed miller" Bill Murray, you have made your stance on lynching millers abundantly clear, but I don't see anything that looks like it's developing into an actual scum read. Why are you leaning so heavily on your policy lynch when there are mafia to be lynched? Also, assume BM isn't here for a moment, who do you lynch?


I read BM's post as a miller claim. If it wasn't, he needs to explain this:
- What was the purpose of making that post? There is no reason for a townie to say anything that does not lead into finding scum or proving their towniness. I don't see that post achieving either of those things.

If the claim was actually real, i want BM to explain why he thought it was a good idea to claim miller D1. Millers should not claim. All it does is that it tells the thread that they will give out a red result if checked by a cop. Why would you be a good cop check in the first place if you are town? You should prove you are town by your actions so that there is no reason for anyone to assume you are mafia, and the cops should check suspicious people instead. Claiming miller on D1 is extremely suspicious because it already shows you are afraid of being checked by a cop. If you are a miller, and are checked, so what? Tough luck, then you claim and town will believe you or not. But the place to claim is not the start of D1.

This is not a policy lynch, BM's miller claim post is scummy.


About Sharrant. Sharrant accuses TRN of things. The case in itself is not scummy and i could see someone seeing TRN's posts in that light, i just don't get the same feeling from TRN's posts. Having played with him on NMXXXIX, i can tell that he has no idea how to act in the start of the game. Here he seems to be trying to figure out things and share his thoughts about stuff he is asked about. Fine, why is Sharrant scummy?

- He's discussing the "policy lynch BM" matter but does not reach any kind of a conclusion that points towards this particular situation.
- Asks TRN about his last games. It's not TRN's job to find those games to him. It's Sharrant's job to find out TRN's affiliation and TRN wasting time on telling him about his last games is a waste of time that does not help TRN find mafia. Seems like Sharrant is lazy and does not want to find out things on his own. Townies should not do that.
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43268 Posts
April 21 2013 21:37 GMT
#484
EBWOP:
- Asks TRN about his last games. It's not TRN's job to find those games to him. It's Sharrant's job to find out TRN's affiliation and TRN telling him those games is a waste of time that does not help TRN find mafia. Seems like Sharrant is lazy and does not want to find out things on his own. Townies should not do that.
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43268 Posts
April 21 2013 21:53 GMT
#488
On April 22 2013 06:43 Vivax wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 22 2013 06:35 raynpelikoneet wrote:
On April 22 2013 05:48 ObviousOne wrote:
One more filter then I'm going to go level my Priest some more.

Oh. My. God. Tube is in this game. LOL. HI TUBE! (we played in a newbie together, my first game! He hasn't posted anything so skipping for now.)

Raynpelikoneet, sorry to pick on you again for like the third straight game in a row together. You want to lynch the "claimed miller" Bill Murray, you have made your stance on lynching millers abundantly clear, but I don't see anything that looks like it's developing into an actual scum read. Why are you leaning so heavily on your policy lynch when there are mafia to be lynched? Also, assume BM isn't here for a moment, who do you lynch?


I read BM's post as a miller claim. If it wasn't, he needs to explain this:
- What was the purpose of making that post? There is no reason for a townie to say anything that does not lead into finding scum or proving their towniness. I don't see that post achieving either of those things.

If the claim was actually real, i want BM to explain why he thought it was a good idea to claim miller D1. Millers should not claim. All it does is that it tells the thread that they will give out a red result if checked by a cop. Why would you be a good cop check in the first place if you are town? You should prove you are town by your actions so that there is no reason for anyone to assume you are mafia, and the cops should check suspicious people instead. Claiming miller on D1 is extremely suspicious because it already shows you are afraid of being checked by a cop. If you are a miller, and are checked, so what? Tough luck, then you claim and town will believe you or not. But the place to claim is not the start of D1.

This is not a policy lynch, BM's miller claim post is scummy.


About Sharrant. Sharrant accuses TRN of things. The case in itself is not scummy and i could see someone seeing TRN's posts in that light, i just don't get the same feeling from TRN's posts. Having played with him on NMXXXIX, i can tell that he has no idea how to act in the start of the game. Here he seems to be trying to figure out things and share his thoughts about stuff he is asked about. Fine, why is Sharrant scummy?

- He's discussing the "policy lynch BM" matter but does not reach any kind of a conclusion that points towards this particular situation.
- Asks TRN about his last games. It's not TRN's job to find those games to him. It's Sharrant's job to find out TRN's affiliation and TRN wasting time on telling him about his last games is a waste of time that does not help TRN find mafia. Seems like Sharrant is lazy and does not want to find out things on his own. Townies should not do that.


Where does TRN try to figure out things? Tbh I kinda have you both as scummy along a few others, so your defense of TRN strikes me especially. I don't really see anything that could give me a reason to think he's town, but if you're so kind, could you point it out?


Particularly this post of his:
+ Show Spoiler +
On April 21 2013 23:19 TheRavensName wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 21 2013 23:09 Vivax wrote:
On April 21 2013 23:01 TheRavensName wrote:
On April 21 2013 22:52 Vivax wrote:
On April 21 2013 22:48 TheRavensName wrote:
On April 21 2013 22:42 Vivax wrote:
On April 21 2013 22:38 TheRavensName wrote:
Huh... I was curious to see how big boys start playing the game... and less then a page's worth of posting totals I see an OMGuS. I feel somewhat surprised; apparently the way newbies open mafia games is the right way?

PS: Bill Murray yelling indoors is really mean.


Oooo, an omgus, interesting.
Are you okay with the way Oats is playing the game?

I'm not a 100% sure what hes doing, but if you want to call it playing then... maybe? Truth be told the fact that palmer just randomly takes offense to a baseless acucsation in a game that just started doesn't make a lot of since to me.


He's asking for a base to the accusation, precisely.
Do you have any ideas to get some discussion started? Your entrance kinda looked like you tried to downplay what's going on in the thread, which in turn makes me think you're trying to communicate reasons for not doing anything.
Do you think this description fits your play or did your posts have other purposes?


I thought it just genuinely showed disapointment. I've always had difficulty understand what to do at the start of day 1, and I see that there really is no good way to start day 1 in a purely productive way. So I suppose your right, I'm trying to downplay what happens because it doesn't seem productive, unless of course we need to know why Yamato has many weapons that arn' t guns.....

And I think its more suspicious to ask in that way rather than, just ask.... seeing as how he didn't even vote baselessly or hasn't made an ssue out of it yet. If we went after everyone who accused someone day 1 just kinda in passing, we'd never get anything resembling a case or something.


I don't think Oats would answer even if Palmar just asked, cause Oats rather seems to be trolling and careless about getting something productive out of this day.
P said he would vote for him until he heard a proper motivation from Oats to call him scum, nothing followed, so Oats seems to oppose discussion and doesn't want to show his townieness through cooperation.

The question is: How do we handle people who don't want to cooperate? Do we threaten Oats with a lynch? Do we ask him nicely to play like someone that puts thought into his posts?


/shrug And what will we get out of threatening him at all? What does either lynching him for not liking a posted policy(? (Thats what that was right?)) or becase he just decided to troll actually accomplish (I think this one is more likely)? These are literaly the only responses he could make (That make any logical since and any others should count as trolling really) and I just don't see how either could prove guilt or innocense. But if you feel so strong on making him talk, why arn't you voting for him since apparently one vote isn't going to cut it?

I didn't mean he is trying to find mafia. I meant he is trying to find out how to play @ the game start, what to look for and what to call people out for. If you read his exchange with yourself, you should easily figure out he has no clue how to act in the beginning of the game. This does not make him 100% town but i doubt he would be openly expressing his thought about that matter if he was mafia, i think he would be far more cautious about what he says.

What makes me scummy in your eyes?
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43268 Posts
April 21 2013 22:10 GMT
#491
And you tell this to me after i have fully explained why i am voting for BM?
I already asked you once to answer me. If you are willing to continuosly ignore my questions i make my own conclusions about that. If you find that matter not worth discussing that's fine, i'm not gonna tunnel you into answering questions, there is no point in doing so.

I didn't find anything else worth discussing at that point.
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43268 Posts
April 21 2013 22:15 GMT
#493
What's this then:
he posted some random shit cause he was drunk (cause that's what his posts look like )
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43268 Posts
April 21 2013 22:22 GMT
#498
On April 22 2013 07:18 Vivax wrote:
It's part of a post you took out of context

Show nested quote +

Not sure what to make of BM "claiming" snape like that. If I were to make a crazy guess, he's checking whether the real snape shows up contesting the claim, then say he posted some random shit cause he was drunk (cause that's what his posts look like ). And if the real snape doesn't show up, he will claim he's snape.

That'd be pretty ballsy, but effective scumplay. Let's see what BM has to say regarding this.

Ehh.. You say if he is claiming miller or not claiming miller he is scummy. So did you think he was claiming miller or not, joking, or what's the purpose of you this post?

or this later post:

Show nested quote +
On April 22 2013 05:16 Vivax wrote:
If BM says he's miller I'll not believe him, and if he says he isn't I'll see his action as scummy.

Yes, and that was after i questioned you, so that's irrelevant.

I didn't take anything out of the context imo.
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