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I know we're not supposed to talk about this but it affects the game quite a bit... If a modkill occurs, will it happen at a specific point during the Day/Night or will you just dole it out when you see fit, BH? (There may be no point in voting Clarity at all... >.<) | ||
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On April 27 2013 11:58 yamato77 wrote: Honestly, I don't like a Clarity lynch just because he has been gone for so long. I feel like if he were this AFK, a scumteam would just bus him for the cred. After mentioning that Shiao may have already done that, they may be wary of that. Too much WIFOM to be sure. | ||
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On April 27 2013 13:32 yamato77 wrote: Well, it's your birthday, apparently. I can't lynch a guy on his birthday. Korean birthday. Have at him.  | ||
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On April 28 2013 05:58 WaveofShadow wrote: Haha knew this was coming. You're welcome to vig me if it will clear up your suspicions; it appears I've been wrong a lot of this game. Just make sure you vig me and don't waste the lynch I suppose. Oh and don't bother not vigging and trying to DT check me because I'm self-aware miller. You guys need to decide if you don't trust me and want me gone or not. | ||
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On April 28 2013 06:04 Palmar wrote: lol self-aware millers should play ridiculously pro-town, you haven't. Do you hate winning? You're one to talk. Again, up to you guys what you decide. Not afraid to die if it'll help you guys out and I'll do as much discussion during the night as I can if I'll be who you're gunning for. Remember though that if you decide not to vig me two things: My town meta has me always roleclaiming when I feel I am in actual danger of death, and I NEVER lie. Now, let's assume I'm dead regardless of what else happens tonight. Who will the lynch target be for tomorrow? You wat lynch into the people who suspected Shiao? Are you sure he's not scum anyway? | ||
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I'm not mafia. Vig me if you're confused and want to clear things up between a bunch of other suspects but don't for a second assume I'm one of three left and you're set. I'm curious to see where BM thinks I slipped and/or lied; and Ill respond to any questions people may have of me when I return later. I'll also have to have look and give some updated reads when I get the chance. | ||
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On April 28 2013 09:35 raynpelikoneet wrote: Lies lies lies. You did not claim in Ego despite being L-1. I wouldn't call that "not in danger of dying". Just vig this guy. That's because in Ego I already claimed right at the beginning of the game, remember the fight over whether what I said was a 'real' claim or not? I NEVER LIE. Also I back hai guise. BM you are a tunnely tunnely guy and yet somehow manage to sound crazy and frantic all at the same time. Are you trying to kill me because you think I'm scum or because you know I'm miller? I'm curious as to which one. BC, you too. Personally I'm wondering which of the veteran scum players are looking at this as a gift for them, forcing town to waste a vig shot, which will become obvious once I die. I'm not saying that it isn't necessarily the call to make, but considering how hard it's being pushed by certain people? I dunno. Just think critically guys; I'm going to try to make a potentially dumb rolelclaim into something useful. Finishing reading the thread, a couple more pages to go; just wantd to reply to that. | ||
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On April 28 2013 10:53 raynpelikoneet wrote: Yeah we do disagree. Also in Ego when WoS was under heavy suspicion (nearly lynched) he came up with reads on people, not self-defence. It's the start of the night phase. Who is to say he cannot change what people think or might think about him? He is defending himself before he even needs to be defended (which would be at the end of the night). He is prematurely defending himself, i want him to tell us why. Another fact is that millers should never claim, ever, in this setup. BC explained it on D1. Third fact is that nobody wants WoS copped, people want him vigged. There is no reason for him to claim miller if he is town. Rayn do you realize how scummy you sound? Not are you so absolutely sure you caught me in a lie (you didn't) but now you're screaming at people to shoot me with all your might and that no matter what I say nobody should listen or I might change their minds. You also say that if I was town I'd be trying to help town and come up with reads. How am I supposed to come up with reads for people if you're pre-emptively telling them not to listen to me? If I flip they're going to find out that everything I've been saying is true anyway! Scummy as all fuck, dude. | ||
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I suppose I could've waited for the miller claim until I was absolutely sure that I was going to be the lynch target for the next day but I'd rather not have a mislynch than a wasted vig shot; especially since I don't know who top det check targets are for the evening. With all the suspicion towards the Shiao lynch wagon I assume that's the people mentioned in earlier cases, including me, so I preempted it. You can now check someone more useful who won't return a confusing check, and I will offer up as much info as I can give for the evening. | ||
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On April 28 2013 12:21 raynpelikoneet wrote: WoS: You claimed town when the game started. I don't see how this qualifies as "claiming when i am in danger of dying"? Rayn You're being purposefully obtuse or something. I was asked to claim at L-1, I said I already did. I was VT and there was no role for me to claim at the time. | ||
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On April 28 2013 12:28 raynpelikoneet wrote: WoS why did you claim miller when noone even wants you copped, only shot? Did you think at all what kinda WIFOM fest this is going to lead the town into? That's the stupidest thing to do if you are town, and probably the cleverest thing to do if you are mafia. Even without the claim i'm leaning on you being mafia so i will push you getting shot because that is the best play town can do as you claimed. There's nothing to push, you dumbass. Almost everyone has already agreed I should be shot; you don't need to puff up your fucking chest and go "HAY GUISE SHOOT HIM HE SCUM LOOK AT ME" because there's no reason to. Did I not already say I'm fine being shot if it helps the town clear up any confusion like 3 fucking times? I'm just asking people to consider the idea that I'm not scum, which you absolutely refuse to do. | ||
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Re-read. Honestly...not so sure why I was so hesitant to call him scum after being the FIRST ONE TO RIP UP HIS FUCKING CASE that everyone seems to forget about, and yet other people seem to want credit for. Fuck it, call me scummy for looking for towncred but at the very least acknowledge the fact that I told him his case was bad. I guess I didn't think that bad case = scummy case for him and I was wrong. It also didn't help that I saw a lot of my early play in his posting...and I never really did clarification as to whether he was seen as a new player or not. Looking through his past history he's played in quite a few mafia games so that probably should have been my biggest tell; the very thing I was excusing him for only worked if he was new, essentially. Lazy and dumb on my part, but oh well. Now as to who he mentions (because I've noticed this seems to work really well in post-flip analysis): Calls Sharrant scum in his original case - yeah I think we all know how that turned out. He also provides soft defenses for Rayn and Hopeless in there but I don't think that's necessarily relevant because that would assume Sharrant was onto something back then with the two of them. Mentions looking into Giygas, BC, and ShiaoPi. Never does. Sadly this is null because we don't know if they're all town, or some of them are scum and he never planned on visiting them via case. Then this: As for the people I said I'd check: pretty confident BC is town, giygas is who the fuck knows and I don't understand why the fuck shiao hammered after showing no interest in oats whatsoever. Only person he is confident giving a proper read with the words 'town/scum' in it is BC. Is this because he has prior knowledge of BC being town or because he is trying to give BC towncred as scum? Personally I believe the first option to be more likely, but that does shed interesting light on Giygas and ShiaoPi. Why no reads at all despite this being his post where he said he'd check?? Players Clarity never mentions at all or responds to whatsoever: tube, grush, kush, OO, Ace, Drazak/Artanis, Sylencia, and VE. We know one of these was mafia, bad I think the issue here is a general lack of presence in the thread, making this difficult (at least for me; maybe someone else can make something of it). I think at least from this Giygas and Shiao deserve looking into; probably more Giygas than Shiao because I just can't trust my own earlier reads anymore. | ||
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OO I'm unsure as to what you mean by refusing to counterclaim. I didn't counterclaim when BM originally claimed because it just didn't seem to me to be a good idea whatsoever then, especially when the entire thread was frantically trying to determine what was going on with BM not to mention the thread was divided as to whether it was a good idea or not to counterclaim at all. (I assume there oculd be more than one Snape, btw, so counterclaiming doesn't even mean anything here). Any counterclaim I made would derail the effort to determine whether or not BM was scummy and it generated good discussion at the time which I felt no desire to derail. | ||
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