That's not a certainty that we have a jk. Scum already flipped their jk so if ace is SP he's going to lie, say he's rbed and bank on that until town flips a non-resistant jk while arguing that he's being blocked so it can't be him. He doesn't have another path to his win con that I can see.

Stutters695

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May 02 2013 18:31 GMT

#4306

Actually I'm on my phone so I can't check but thinking about it, I'm pretty sure VE was blocked on CCs death so ignore me. I'm an idiot.

Stutters695

2610 Posts

May 02 2013 18:56 GMT

#4310

are you talking this game or previous? If previous, what happened?

Stutters695

2610 Posts

May 02 2013 21:10 GMT

#4369

I'm voting hopeless, we're going in circles.

Stutters695

2610 Posts

May 03 2013 01:56 GMT

#4430

Quick rundown BM:

After Palmar claimed (paranoid cop), CC claimed (insane cop), and VE claimed (parity cop) with a claimed Miller, and mason. There have been 2rbs nightly (we just killed their jk) and the only night ace wasn't rb is the only night before a second unexplained NK, strongly implying ace as a SP, unless we flip the remaining scum and reveal a second scum vig in there.

Not sure if you consider it likely/possible for 2 3p roles Truth be told i hadn't given that any thought.

Stutters695

2610 Posts

May 03 2013 14:58 GMT

#4469

Looking at it objectively. We're 5 lynches from LYLO and in those 5 lynches we must hit at least 1 scum (assuming ace is sp). If at any point the jk gets nk'd we must instantly lynch ace to keep LYLO timing on our side. Planning worst case it seems much better to get ace out of the way since he will tie up a lynch regardless but unless the jk makes 2 successful saves it doesn't affect our lynch count anyway. I'm surprised this push on ace happened without really mapping it out.

Stutters695

2610 Posts

May 03 2013 15:13 GMT

#4471

And that's a completely unrealistic expectation. The odds are incredibly against that happening. 1 save does nothing except put us at mylo with 4. It isn't some huge advantage.

Stutters695

2610 Posts

May 03 2013 15:28 GMT

#4475

Tell me sharrant, what makes it so probable ace is town to you and not 3p to you? When do you propose we deal with ace?

Stutters695

2610 Posts

May 03 2013 15:45 GMT

#4484

I agree lynching ace is superior but I wanted to point out it wasn't such an obvious thing to hear why people are agreeing/against it.

Stutters695

2610 Posts

May 03 2013 15:49 GMT

#4486

I don't give a shit about town cred because if you can't tell I'm town you've obviously either never played with me or are looking for an "easy" mislynch.

Stutters695

2610 Posts

May 03 2013 16:25 GMT

#4509

On May 04 2013 00:51 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
Then why did you feel the need to point out why you defended the second best plan?
Also, I don't remember if I've ever played with you but I haven't exactly gotten strong town vibes from you.

Because I've played before and know how this goes. If I say nothing someone accuses me of pushing a sub-optimal plan. If I point it out you accuse me of feeling guilty of defending a sub-optimal plan. However since my intentions are honest, by explaining my position and being transparent with my actions it should be obvious I'm town. Same way I play every game.

Stutters695

2610 Posts

May 03 2013 16:32 GMT

#4511

Never rolled scum period but when I do I can assure you I'll be an easy catch. Every game I drop scenarios about what I would do as scum as part of my questioning/why I find someone scummy. It's probably going to bite me in the ass hard when I roll scum but I'd rather have a readable and predictable town game when the odds are always in favor of rolling town.

Stutters695

2610 Posts

May 03 2013 16:58 GMT

#4516

My finals have been going on for the past week. Not much I can do about that. I've been more active since my finals ended. Absolutely agreed I can play better when I have more time available. When I am short on time though I've found a bunch of success playing like this.

I provide my thoughts fairly clearly, take a stance when appropriate and I'm not afraid to disagree or post something that will bring heat on me because I have nothing to hide (Plans regarding Ace, my concerns with the BC case). I wish I could have had the time to push Shaio instead of just bringing up more points against him (although I feel the points I brought up were lynchable on their own). If you aren't convinced I'll obviously try to fix that.

For full disclosure my girlfriend is graduating tomorrow and her parents are coming to the apartment and then we're all going to dinner, followed by the graduation tomorrow at 9am so I'll only be able to check in occasionally from like 5est tonight until like 3-4est tomorrow (PM). So I'll be happy to answer any questions before then that will help.

Stutters695

2610 Posts

May 03 2013 17:05 GMT

#4520

On May 04 2013 01:42 WaveofShadow wrote:

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lol I asked Dandel about this when inquiring as to what the longest anyone has gone without rolling scum on TL and he mentioned you.
Not including this game, how many games has it been? (Have you ever rolled 3rd party?)

No 3p and off of memory (plus the database for the really old games) it's something like this:
NMMXXIV
NMMXXVI
NMMXXVII
NMMXXVIII
Whose Line Mini
Yet Another Normal Mini
Personality 2
Themed Game Mafia
MTG Mini II
Mafia LIX

I believe that puts me at 10. All VT unless they were themed. I'm so boring lol

Stutters695

2610 Posts

May 03 2013 17:44 GMT

#4529

Artanis I'd like to hear your thoughts on what I said about your bc case if you don't mind.

Stutters695

2610 Posts

May 03 2013 18:05 GMT

#4535

I did not. I mentioned before that I'd like to wait for him to actually respond.

I was saying those 4 quotes were in a period of relative inactivity so there wasn't much for him to push in that period. His lack of actually saying it himself concerns me.

Also this came to me when I was listing my games but iirc BC was scum in Whose Line and his play was similar. I can't verify until tomorrow but if someone wants to look into it that'd be great or I'll do it tomorrow.

Stutters695

2610 Posts

May 03 2013 18:12 GMT

#4538

Maybe it was BH then, I can't remember. Sorry, just remembered a B name at LYLO and its hard to check from my phone.

Stutters695

2610 Posts

May 03 2013 18:37 GMT

#4542

If you'd even consider lynching me for that, I don't know what to tell you.

Stutters695

2610 Posts

May 04 2013 21:26 GMT

#4706

On May 05 2013 04:23 Bill Murray wrote:
bc wasnt even in that game stutters you doof

Yeah they pointed it out minutes after I said that. That game was forever ago lol.

Read it in context though. I defended part of the case against BC because I saw some bias. How is that distancing?

Stutters695

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May 05 2013 04:07 GMT

#4718

On May 05 2013 12:13 TheRavensName wrote:

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How would his protection list prove anyone town?

It was impossible for scum to die n1 (other than to a sk maybe, not sure how that would work) so it's very improbable that scum jailed their own. Thus whoever scum jailed of bc and palmar is probably town. And obviously the jk is town.

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