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Sharrant:
I did reach a conclusion about policy lynching BM: " I'd rather spend today's lynch on scum, and I need to see more from BM to know if he is."
And about millers in general: "At this point I would say that miller's should claim if they feel that they're in danger of wasting a detective action (and not before that point), but that all miller claims should be treated as a mark against the player, rather than a scum claim."
I am not trying to "policy lynch" BM. I think BM is scum. Bringing up the miller policy into this discussion adds nothing, because it's irrelevant regarding my reasons for wanting to lynch BM.
The last part of your case is even weaker, I don't think it even needs to be touched upon.
So you really think it's TRN's job to find all his games to you? Do you want him to analyze them for you aswell?
Now see, in that quote you actually say "I didn't mean he is trying to find mafia". But wasn't part of your case on me that " It's Sharrant's job to find out TRN's affiliation and TRN wasting time on telling him about his last games is a waste of time that does not help TRN find mafia. Seems like Sharrant is lazy and does not want to find out things on his own. Townies should not do that."
So you say he is actually not attempting to discern who in the thread are the mafia, but you still have a town read on him. Townies should scum hunt, yes?
I don't see how you can view him as townie while acknowledging that he is not scum hunting and still try and make the case on me that you did. Your reads do not match up. There is something wrong here.
There are a lot of players who have not done scumhunting. TRN posted a comment on the game start -> people started question him -> he went defensive. I don't see how that is scummy for a new player whose first non-newbie game this is.
My scumread on you is not strong at all, at least you did point him into doing something productive, asked him about who he does want to lynch and about Oats. So we'll see whta he answers.
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On April 22 2013 07:28 Vivax wrote:Show nested quote +On April 22 2013 07:22 raynpelikoneet wrote:On April 22 2013 07:18 Vivax wrote:It's part of a post you took out of context
Not sure what to make of BM "claiming" snape like that. If I were to make a crazy guess, he's checking whether the real snape shows up contesting the claim, then say he posted some random shit cause he was drunk (cause that's what his posts look like ). And if the real snape doesn't show up, he will claim he's snape.
That'd be pretty ballsy, but effective scumplay. Let's see what BM has to say regarding this.
Ehh.. You say if he is claiming miller or not claiming miller he is scummy. So did you think he was claiming miller or not, joking, or what's the purpose of you this post? or this later post: On April 22 2013 05:16 Vivax wrote:
If BM says he's miller I'll not believe him, and if he says he isn't I'll see his action as scummy. Yes, and that was after i questioned you, so that's irrelevant. I didn't take anything out of the context imo. Fuck knows if he was claiming miller, I don't know. No one knows until he tells us. But I said that it could have been a scum move. If he soft-claims miller like that it could lure out town millers, and then he could say that he posted some drunkard stuff to defend himself against their accusations of him fakeclaiming. If, on the other hand, no townie reacts to his claim, he might feel safe to fakeclaim miller for himself. You seem to be the only one having trouble understanding my post. Purpose of my post was to draw attention to BM's strange behaviour, and taking away in advance whatever malicious intentions he might have had.
Fine, i misunderstood then. Guess we had the same intention, i just thought you were being wishy-washy about it and just saying things for sake of saying things.
Well i got my vote on him and want him to respond.
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On April 22 2013 07:41 Vivax wrote:
Rayn, how's it going read-wise? Picked up anything else besides BM? I currently have 8 candidates as possible scum, you?
Geript's reads post was pretty awful with lots of maybe's, wouldn't mind lynching him. Ace seems like he is not willing to do much. I didn't really understand the Sylencia-stuff yamato pointed out. Maybe it's because English is not my mother tongue, i just don't see how he was "little too nervous". I don't think Oats has done anything alignment indicative. Sharrant seems to be not understanding what i'm trying to say. Same could be said about kush, although i think he's town. I think you are town. I think TRN & Palmar are town aswell. That's pretty much everything i have read atm.
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Palmar could you or someone else like Ace come in and tell these idiots why claiming miller at the start of the game is either scummy or extremely dumb.
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WoS looks ok to me.
I could lynch Hopeless. I didn't like him calling out Palmar on his townread on Vivax and not calling out other people who stated townreads in thread. Other than that there is very little in his filter. I find his exchange with kush (about VE's post) kinda odd.. First he says he does not understand what VE was talking about, and later it changes into "How does it make VE town", when people explain it to him.
I see nothing wrong with GiygaS, needs to post more.
Drazak better post something good when he decides to post. He took 40min to go through 2 pages.. Hmm..
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Sharrant let's end this incredibly useless shit about the policy lynch. I have told the thread why i'm voting for BM, and i'm expecting him to answer me regarding that. We are getting nowhere before we hear from him and this is really useless.
Call my vote a policy lynch vote or whatever, i really don't care before BM comes in and answers. I have only talked about policy lynch stuff when other people have brought that topic up.
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Vivax what makes Oats scummy to you?
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Sharrant:
What is your exact reasoning for voting for BM. Give me one paragraph, with your thought process. If it's policy, tell me it's policy and the exact policy. If you have other reasoning for it, please detail that reasoning to the best of your ability.
I think there is no reason for a townie to claim miller for the reasons i explained before. If BM was not in fact claiming miller, he should have a damn good reason why he decided to post what he did, because posting (joking?) that as town does not make any sense.
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On April 22 2013 08:31 Vivax wrote:Show nested quote +On April 22 2013 08:18 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Vivax what makes Oats scummy to you? Mostly meta differences between his town and scum play. You'll hear the exact reasons once I feel like making a case. Could you see WoS being scum or do you feel safe in assuming he's town?
I'm gonna look more into Oats tomorrow when i wake up.
Atm i'm leaning more onto WoS being town, mainly because afaik he has never rolled scum (at least before this game) and him claiming town in his early post reads out genuine to me. But that being said:
I want to hear more from CC or kush at the moment.
WoS: Why do you want to hear more specifically from those guys?
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Palmar what would you prefer as the "other discussions" you are referring to in your last post?
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Sharrant are you treating Geript as confirmed town or not?
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Vivax, when i still remember. I went through Oats' openings in Ego (scum) and Red (town) and tried comparing his meta to this game. I have to say i'm not seeing any significant differences in his scum/town play this early. I'm hoping you will contribute to that matter later on D1 (if you are not willing to make a case yet).
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On April 22 2013 09:03 Sharrant wrote:Show nested quote +On April 22 2013 09:01 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Sharrant are you treating Geript as confirmed town or not? I am treating him the same as everyone else. As I stated, I am willfully ignoring everything involving the hydra, Marv, and BH's mod actions.
If he is incredibly scummy why are you not voting for him?
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GiygaS:
Could you go through Hopeless' & Sharrant's filters and give your thoughts about them?
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Okay. Next question:
On April 22 2013 09:06 GiygaS wrote:
Oats still seems scummy to me. His attitude around that accusation is weird to me, plus he was actively trying to dissuade a town read that VE had instead of actively hunting for scum. His one scum post was against geript, which we now know is pseudo-confirmed :/
I want to see some more posts from him , but until then ##Vote Oatsmaster.
As this was your last post before that, the part where you mention Oats:
#2: I honestly don't know what to think of this strange heuristic thing, and I'm honestly more interested to see how oats responds to Palmar, and how Palmar responds to that. I'm overall getting a town-read on Vivax since as Cheesecake said, recklessness is usually a town trait.It's a pretty weak town read, but I just want to get out of this stupid argument that is really getting us nowhere now.
What made you vote for Oats now but not before? What has changed between these posts of yours?
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I can give you a hint. Oats has not posted between those posts of yours..
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ObviousOne:
@Rayn, not really feeling a Sharrant lynch anytime in the near foreseeable future. The BM situation should be resolved tonight (hopefully). As far as TRN it's not so much that he is scummy, it's that he's lacking qualities that point to townie. He's deserving of scrutiny and I am keeping my eye on him as a possible candidate for today. Who's your second choice for lynch today and why?
Yeah tbh i'm not willing to lynch Sharrant atm. Maybe it's just my hatred towards things i find to be really annoying (like refusing to search people's games by yourself and just waiting for them to point out what games they have played here). I know from personal experience that TRN is really easy person to discredit and to get defensive (look at NMXXXIX for example). I think that's what happened with TRN/Vivax here, and i don't see the same pattern when i read TRN game where he was scum on. I thought Sharrant's case was just creating an easy lynch wagon, but i can now see that people think TRN's actions as scummy. I hope TRN answers Sharrant's questions and gives some thoughts about the happenings so far when he gets back.
Hopeless / Geript atm. Those two for reasons i have already pointed out in thread. GiygaS is looking worse aswell.
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On April 22 2013 10:33 GiygaS wrote:Show nested quote +On April 22 2013 10:18 Oatsmaster wrote:
Why is me being 'wrong' make me scummy giygas.
Also was me asking VE what made Palmar town trying to dissuade a town read, or trying to solidify my read?
What is the difference and why does that make me scummy? You being 'wrong' isn't really anything against you, I just figured I might as well add it in. Actively trying to spread suspicion by stopping town reads is what scum wants to do. When I read it it seemed to me that you wanted to dissuade a town read.Show nested quote +On April 22 2013 10:21 kushm4sta wrote:
Giygas as your self appointed lawyer I must remind you that you do not have to answer any of these questions, as you have not yet been charged with a crime. Thanks kush, haha.
The bolded part. How did you miss that's exactly what Hopeless is doing?
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Sharrant what do you think of my & GiygaS' exchange of posts i nthe last two pages?
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GiygaS, are you okay with lynching Hopeless today?
Also i still don't understand what made you vote Oats when you did and not earlier.
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