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- VE: is a complete null read for me except for kush's idea of a mafia not thinking to post what he did first. Leaning town for that reason. I'm not behind the current votes for VE. - ShiaoPi: This means nothing about his scumminess/innocence, but this may be why he's so inactive: On April 18 2013 15:15 ShiaoPi wrote: screw my schedule :S /unobs /in Anyway, he started off wonderfully by saying practically nothing about the 3 people he's asked about. On April 22 2013 11:54 ShiaoPi wrote: Raynepelikoneet: Nothing to see here. TheRavensName: Just some noobing around. Hopeless1nder: Also nothing of note here. Then accuses Sharrant, who seems to be target #1 for both main suspects at the moment (I'm not counting VE cause I think it's a stupid lynch). He proceeds to hammer Oats for "being silly", when it would have been sound to wait for the hammer, so we could at the very least get more info out of Oats before he got lynched. And now he's sort of gone. From what we've seen so far, I'm gonna say he's scum. - Clarity: I'd like to point out this: On April 23 2013 11:27 Clarity_nl wrote: And more.... Not even indicating any read, just asking for reads from another player. More of this: This was one of Clarity's point's on Sharrant. At the time, Yamato and Oats were the top two candidates for the lynch. This isn't just reaching so that the post looks larger, this is straight up wrong, and was something that Sharrant was actually doing properly. The other thing about him was that he supposedly lied about when he was catching up with the thread and was too quick reading. I don't think this really makes him particularly scummy, and a town or mafia could do the exact same thing. Leaning Scummy for others' reasons as well as that top post, but not for his "record-setting reading prowess". Scummy, but not as much as ShiaoPi. - Ace: People are saying he's scum because he's not been playing very well, and it's outside of his meta or something, so I decided to look through his filter. - Was one of or the first to point out the obvious thing that maybe, just maybe, Bill Murray wasn't actually claiming. - Something I noticed on day 1 is he seemed to not really react to posts for a while unless he was directly spoken to/about, or if there was an opportunity for a meme. - Voted Yamato with little reasoning. He doesn't actually give much reasoning for much unless asked on. Could be a playstyle thing like he says though. - Likes the oats cases, but provides reasoning for it. - Found a contradiction here: On April 23 2013 06:03 Ace wrote: oh ok. Infinite days are possible. Ignore the part about wasting our time then, even though you still need a more convincing case than "he plays different from this one time I saw him". That's just utter bullshit and won't convince anyone. No effort at all. On April 23 2013 06:37 Ace wrote: To all you people lurking the thread lets get some consensus going. Right now I've got my vote on yamato but Vivax's case on Oats looks like an even better lynch. These are our top two suspects at the moment and imo, our best 2. do not stall these fucking wagons unless you've got a really good case of your own. Else wise the discussion should be focused on these two for now. Arguments for/against either of them will be greatly appreciated. He wants us to take our time, and then really pushes hard for an oats/yamato hammer from there. - But other than day 1, he's been town in my eyes. More recently, he's been contributing valuable info and insight. For that reason, I've got a null read on him. Going to bed now, will try and keep updated with my phone throughout the day tomorrow. | ||
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On April 25 2013 15:37 getmoript wrote: Giygas: NULLTown read x2, Prefers Oats but votes Yamato???, uses an odd heuristic, inactive I voted oats, this is just straight up incorrect. I never even switched my vote to Yamato for a second. Anyway: ##Vote ShiaoPi | ||
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On April 26 2013 01:09 Mr. Cheesecake wrote: 1) WaveofShadow 2) Grush57 3) Bill Murray 4) Stutters695 5) Kushm4sta 6) getmoript 7) ObviousOne 9) TheRavensName 11)GiygaS 12) raynpelikoneet 13) Ace 14) Tube 15) Artanis 16) Clarity_nl 18) Sharrant 19) Yamato77 20) ShiaoPi 21) Palmar 22) Hopeless1der 23) Sylencia 24) BloodyCobbler 25) VisceraEyes The list of lists. I agree with most of this, except Yamato and Stutter are null reads, and kush is town. | ||
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On April 26 2013 01:36 VisceraEyes wrote: Re: lynching into Ace/BC/Palmar Ehhhhhhhhhhh....I don't know if there's a case on BC somewhere that I'm missing, but is the fact that he's inactive right now a part of the case? And Ace is looking more town in this game than I've ever seen...but frankly that is a little disconcerting. :/ Ugh. I don't like the idea. I mean I'd lynch Palmar sure...but BC/Ace? Today? Seems silly. Scum will want them dead if they're town. In my opinion the fog should clear a little bit by tomorrow. I think tomorrow is a better time to make a lynch like that. Your point on Ace could be disturbingly true. Anti town play that caused suspicion may have made him play more pro town today, which explains his behavior. ##Vote Ace | ||
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On April 26 2013 02:42 raynpelikoneet wrote: You are voting for Ace because he looks town? And you just said at the last page BC is red and Ace is null. Can you explain the logic? Basically, I would say Ace is scum based purely off his day 1 play in my eyes, but his day 2 sort of redeemed him in my eyes. However, it seems to me that Ace could just be looking pro town purposefully because accusations started going on him. That's my logic. | ||
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On April 26 2013 02:58 raynpelikoneet wrote: Why not let him be pro town and judge him if he gets scummy? Why not lynch someone who has been scummy the whole game in your eyes? The place and even more the way you dropped your vote is really fishy. Why don't you want to lynch one of your red reads? It's hard to explain from my phone. Day 1 Ace urged us to take our time, and then rushed the hammer and lynch on Oats. What I'm saying is that upon further reflection, Ace is a red read for me based on his day 1 play. | ||
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On April 26 2013 05:52 VisceraEyes wrote: Something else that really bothers me is that a couple of times Palmar has talked about players who should be modkilled or how HE modkills in his games (like that's pertinent to finding scum in the LEAST anyway) But when it comes to actual real modkillable offenses he's completely silent. Like tube's lack of posting for example. Why is Palmar ignoring tube, a player who has made literally one post in the game when Palmar has said the following? The bolded may have just become a whole lot more meaningful. | ||
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On April 26 2013 08:24 VisceraEyes wrote: Did it or did it not? What's your take? This post says nothing about your opinion. It did. | ||
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On April 26 2013 08:26 VisceraEyes wrote: Okay, meaningful in what way? Do you agree that Palmar looks scummy for it? Or did you mean that I look scummy for posting it? DETAILS GUY! I think Palmar looks scummy for it. Before I honestly just considered it reaching, but now that tube has come up as scum, it is something that is notable in whether Palmar is scum or not. I'll be reevaluating my opinion on him after reading his filter again. | ||
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I've already given my read on both, see my big post. I don't want to waste my time reiterating. Rayne as pointed out the problem with getmoript's case on me, I also liked how he took out all of my reasoning for lynching ShiaoPi from that quote. On to Palmar. | ||
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On April 26 2013 09:35 getmoript wrote: Ok, so replace shitting on VE with shitting on Palmar. Does it make a real difference? Still shitting on someone for Tube and not on his scum read. Because the ShiaoPi quote wants to lynch tube, and pointed out he was inactive. Palmar explicitly ignored tube while he was pointing out other inactives and modkills. After reading a bit more of the thread, I can defs see Ace being a third party as well as a mafia, that completely slipped my mind. | ||
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- Starts off the day my declaring to the world that Vivax is town because of that "strange heuristic". Could be that he already knew Vivax was town, or it could be that this was his actual read. I'm leaning on the latter. - Goes on geript, who we now know is modconfirmed. At the time however, the case was pretty dang solid, and it seems like it was good scumhunting. + Show Spoiler + On April 23 2013 00:31 Palmar wrote: List of probably town: Bill Murray getmoript (QT thing) Vivax slot machine dude hopeless list of maybe town: Ace grush cheesecake kush Sylencia TheRavensName list of who knows: WaveofShadow Tube Drazak Clarity_nl Sharrant Yamato77 ShiaoPi list of bloodycobblers: BloodyCobbler list of somewhat scummy fuckers (based on absolutely nothing): DoctorHelvetica ObviousOne Oatsmaster giggles The bolded here disturbs me a bit (or maybe it was just the name he gave me  )- On April 23 2013 00:48 Palmar wrote: also being inactive in this game is unusally scummy because BH sent a pm to everyone in the game 24 hours before the game started which required a response to be in the game. So everyone here is fully aware when the game started and reminded of it very close to the start of the game. So being afk or saying nothing is almost inexcusable. Said it before, I'll say it again. This is wrong, Blazinghand's pm was to ask to drop out, not to confirm. No influence on scum or town though. - Jumped on VE 2 minutes after he omitted VE purposefully (from what I got from it he meant it as a null read) On April 23 2013 10:16 Palmar wrote: am I the hammer? Cause I fucking love hammering ##unvote ##vote Oatsmaster Not as bad as Ace pushing for the hammer because he didn't stress to take our time, but he was the hammer, and still really didn't post an explanation for his suspicions on oats up until this point. He later jokingly ealaborated that he lynched oats cause oats accused him of being mafia. This is his way of shifting away from the fact that he had no explanation. - Now he's sort of tunneling on VE, whom I have a town read on. - And of course the thing I already brought up (being that he called out inactives for modkills but not tube, who was the most inactive) | ||
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On April 26 2013 09:45 raynpelikoneet wrote: Can you explain why you think Ace is scum or 3p? Sure I can. On April 25 2013 15:59 GiygaS wrote: - Ace: People are saying he's scum because he's not been playing very well, and it's outside of his meta or something, so I decided to look through his filter. - Was one of or the first to point out the obvious thing that maybe, just maybe, Bill Murray wasn't actually claiming. - Something I noticed on day 1 is he seemed to not really react to posts for a while unless he was directly spoken to/about, or if there was an opportunity for a meme. - Voted Yamato with little reasoning. He doesn't actually give much reasoning for much unless asked on. Could be a playstyle thing like he says though. - Likes the oats cases, but provides reasoning for it. - Found a contradiction here: He wants us to take our time, and then really pushes hard for an oats/yamato hammer from there. - But other than day 1, he's been town in my eyes. More recently, he's been contributing valuable info and insight. For that reason, I've got a null read on him. I then changed my opinion on this, saying he might have changed his play due to suspicions being on him Going to bed now, will try and keep updated with my phone throughout the day tomorrow. | ||
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On April 26 2013 11:49 Ace wrote: I do not push for an Oats/yamato hammer there. That is blatant lying. On April 23 2013 06:37 Ace wrote: To all you people lurking the thread lets get some consensus going. Right now I've got my vote on yamato but Vivax's case on Oats looks like an even better lynch. These are our top two suspects at the moment and imo, our best 2. do not stall these fucking wagons unless you've got a really good case of your own. Else wise the discussion should be focused on these two for now. Arguments for/against either of them will be greatly appreciated. On April 23 2013 10:01 Ace wrote: Ones in bold need to follow through and vote for Oats. Stop lying. | ||
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