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On May 09 2013 04:28 Artanis[Xp] wrote:Show nested quote +On May 09 2013 04:25 WaveofShadow wrote:Artanis I disagree with the Rayn thing: I still think he was shot to try and frame me (which always seems to fail. Learn from that, mafia, I DON'T get mislynched  ). I highly doubt that scum shot Rayn over BC/Palmar just to frame you if neither are scum. No one pushed you strongly enough for that by a long stretch. It's completely inplausible imo. If you are indeed town, then you should be just as interested in what other thoughts Rayn had.
But see that;s the thing, right?
As far as Rayn being the smartest....after seeing his play in ego I feel I'm biased as to the alternative. Can someone explain?
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Like....his push on Sharrant made absolutely no sense to me whatsoever.
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I don't really see how that makes him the smartest.
Also yeah, DID you figure it out yet?
I actually have no fucking clue what he's talking about. 
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That should have been spoilered. meh
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On May 09 2013 04:42 geript wrote:Show nested quote +On May 09 2013 04:08 WaveofShadow wrote:
Personally I kind of want to lynch geript for no other reason than he has been a non-factor all game, and that is not how Geript plays, town OR scum. In The Game (scum) he was extremely active with the help of his scumteam: making plays, editing and checking his stuff. Him being afraid to post as scum with an inactive/bad scumteam would fit, though I would argue that in that case you/BC would have to be town for that to be true (unless you were seriously lonewolfing it). How much credence do people put into 'mod-confirmed town?'
A town Geript that isn't helping is scarcely a Geript at all. Meh. I just don't care right now. I'm on a week long break that I thought would give me time and want to be invested, but the longer it goes on the more I'm focusing on other things. I just shouldn't have played this game. I need a break, both in real life and from mafia. I'm actually enjoying the NMM game far more despite not terribly following it. Constantly realizing how bad I am at this game just makes me want to return and focus on the games that I am exceptional at and thoroughly enjoy. I don't know how to convince people to listen to me and my reputation doesn't help any; I just don't see a point in putting in effort. As far as I'm concerned, I'm just worth my vote and nothing more. Palmar could actually be insane if they have a second framer or a saved JOAT. I still want to lynch him for being an ass.
I'm not likely to keep him alive for another day on the off chance I was framed last night by a JOAT. As far as second framer, well if that's true then fuck you BH.
As far as the other stuff...we can talk after the game.
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Oh I remember thinking it was about JK at the time he said so (and didn't want to say anything just in case anyone else didn't notice he basically outed himself) but of course with him dead we can't confirm shit.
What was the basis again for the argument that one of you was scum based on RB targets? This game is too fucking long.
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On May 09 2013 06:08 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
I think it's time for the Wagon of Justice to be erected.
##Vote: Palmar
I'm waiting on responses to my case first. I'm not sure why now of all times you're suddenly convinced, Artanis. Again, I believe you promised me something.
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On May 09 2013 01:56 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
WoS, I was not interested in commenting on the thoughts at that time because I didn't want either Palmar or BC lynched yesterday. I also won't comment on it until night ends. I highly doubt anyone but the JK will die, but in case I randomly get shot, just sheep BM yo. He handsome~
Alright I guess you didn't promise anything, I just assumed you were going to comment once night ended.
I'm not following how you think Palmar's recent actions are now the nail in the coffin for him, I'm really not.
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My comment about how I will react if HE doesn't respond to my cases stands though, so even if you can't convince me to vote for Palmar, he himself very well can.
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On May 09 2013 06:44 Artanis[Xp] wrote:Show nested quote +On May 09 2013 06:40 WaveofShadow wrote:On May 09 2013 01:56 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
WoS, I was not interested in commenting on the thoughts at that time because I didn't want either Palmar or BC lynched yesterday. I also won't comment on it until night ends. I highly doubt anyone but the JK will die, but in case I randomly get shot, just sheep BM yo. He handsome~ Alright I guess you didn't promise anything, I just assumed you were going to comment once night ended. I'm not following how you think Palmar's recent actions are now the nail in the coffin for him, I'm really not. You're presuming I wasn't suspicious of Palmar yet. Ever since I realized Sharrant was the JK I've kept my eye on Palmar. I just wanted to see if he was going to claim Paranoid or Insane, and make sure he did so before I showed my intents so that he couldn't choose the story that would happen to fit the best to argue himself out of a lynch. That large post was a nail in the coffin because he's not actually looking for scum. He's been doing what he's been doing all game ever since he figured the troll act wouldn't work anymore; try to stay alive in whichever way possible.
.....you're kidding me right?
I've been saying this shit for days.
DAYS.
We could have lynched him based on any of this yesterday, or even the day before.
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I'm not defending Palmar here because it may very well be that I'd like to see him swing, but your reasoning as to why he's scummy NOW and not yesterday or the day before is terrible.
How is it he hasn't been scumhunting? Because he hasn't scumhunted over the first few hours of the day? What about his push of Yamato? Was that not scumhunting? I'm really curious as to your train of thought.
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On May 09 2013 06:49 Artanis[Xp] wrote:Show nested quote +On May 09 2013 06:47 WaveofShadow wrote:On May 09 2013 06:44 Artanis[Xp] wrote:On May 09 2013 06:40 WaveofShadow wrote:On May 09 2013 01:56 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
WoS, I was not interested in commenting on the thoughts at that time because I didn't want either Palmar or BC lynched yesterday. I also won't comment on it until night ends. I highly doubt anyone but the JK will die, but in case I randomly get shot, just sheep BM yo. He handsome~ Alright I guess you didn't promise anything, I just assumed you were going to comment once night ended. I'm not following how you think Palmar's recent actions are now the nail in the coffin for him, I'm really not. You're presuming I wasn't suspicious of Palmar yet. Ever since I realized Sharrant was the JK I've kept my eye on Palmar. I just wanted to see if he was going to claim Paranoid or Insane, and make sure he did so before I showed my intents so that he couldn't choose the story that would happen to fit the best to argue himself out of a lynch. That large post was a nail in the coffin because he's not actually looking for scum. He's been doing what he's been doing all game ever since he figured the troll act wouldn't work anymore; try to stay alive in whichever way possible. .....you're kidding me right? I've been saying this shit for days. DAYS. We could have lynched him based on any of this yesterday, or even the day before. No, because IF he is town then the information from his check on you could prove invaluable. Or at least I thought so when I wasn't sure Sharrant was JK.
What? If he ACTUALLY is a town paranoid cop, what do we learn from the check?
....am I honestly a fucking moron or am I missing something here?
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On May 09 2013 06:53 Palmar wrote:Show nested quote +On May 09 2013 06:48 Artanis[Xp] wrote:On May 09 2013 06:47 Palmar wrote:On May 09 2013 06:44 Artanis[Xp] wrote:On May 09 2013 06:40 WaveofShadow wrote:On May 09 2013 01:56 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
WoS, I was not interested in commenting on the thoughts at that time because I didn't want either Palmar or BC lynched yesterday. I also won't comment on it until night ends. I highly doubt anyone but the JK will die, but in case I randomly get shot, just sheep BM yo. He handsome~ Alright I guess you didn't promise anything, I just assumed you were going to comment once night ended. I'm not following how you think Palmar's recent actions are now the nail in the coffin for him, I'm really not. You're presuming I wasn't suspicious of Palmar yet. Ever since I realized Sharrant was the JK I've kept my eye on Palmar. I just wanted to see if he was going to claim Paranoid or Insane, and make sure he did so before I showed my intents so that he couldn't choose the story that would happen to fit the best to argue himself out of a lynch. That large post was a nail in the coffin because he's not actually looking for scum. He's been doing what he's been doing all game ever since he figured the troll act wouldn't work anymore; try to stay alive in whichever way possible. Is staying alive only the objective of mafia? The main objective of town is to find scum, not to stay alive. The main objective of scum is to stay alive. Part of lynching scum is to not get lynched as town right? That removes one potential candidate from the pool. Would you say I have not scumhunted this game? I consider both parts equal. If every town player makes sure he doesn't get lynched then the game is quite easy, right?
There's a difference between how you act when trying to survive and how I acted when I felt I was going down. There is a clear point here and Artanis is right, but I just don't like how he's going about it.
I (and others) have pointed out in the past how you have basically done anything and everything to assume your own survival from one day to the next and you've always managed to squeeze out of it. You could say the same thing might have been true for yamato at times but yamato buckled down and did his fucking damndest to give us his all. You have done no such thing aside from short bursts of activity here and there which have amounted to nothing since you have been a suspect.
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On May 09 2013 06:56 Palmar wrote:Show nested quote +On May 09 2013 06:46 Artanis[Xp] wrote:On May 09 2013 06:44 Palmar wrote:On May 09 2013 06:34 Artanis[Xp] wrote:On May 09 2013 06:30 WaveofShadow wrote:On May 09 2013 06:08 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
I think it's time for the Wagon of Justice to be erected.
##Vote: Palmar I'm waiting on responses to my case first. I'm not sure why now of all times you're suddenly convinced, Artanis. Again, I believe you promised me something. Please point to me where I promised you anything. I'm convinced now because A) Sharrant's flip confirmed what we already suspected and B) Palmar conveniently got paranoid, thus any potential extra importance he could have if he were town is gone. That and Palmar's long post was actually awful. No scumhunting, lots of defending and tutoring. Rubbed me the wrong way entirely. Do you want to lynch me based on two factors that are completely out of my control? One, or all of these thought processes must be true, based on your post here: Sharrant jailed Palmar -> Therefore Palmar must be scum Palmar rolled paranoid cop -> Therefore Palmar must be scum Palmar wrote a post defending himself -> Therefore Palmar must be scum I don't know what in particular I need to say to you to explain why you're wrong, but you please provide something for me to respond to if you want to call me scum. You're scum because you're more interested in your own survival than in actually finding scum. The best way to get my vote off of you is to find a better target. You've spent enough time defending yourself, I'd rather you spent that time reading filters of people you find suspicious. Here's one thing, I'm obsessed with reads I don't understand. I can move on, and I was starting to do so, beginning with my list of 5 people I considered needed to be looked at. Then you come in and accuse me of being scum without providing anything to back it up other than my role. You literally want to lynch me based on my role. I cannot defend that. But I want to make absolutely 100% certain that if I get lynched there will remain no legitimate reason for it, it will be simply be because people decided to do it and fuck logic.
This looks like a confession to me.
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A confession which would make some sense based on your perception of the cases I and yamato and now Artanis have brought to get you lynched.
"I don't deserve to get caught as scum if the town can't properly catch me and a lie/slip/outlogic me/whatever."
This seems extremely egotistical and yet it would seem to fit with your personality as I have come to see it.
It's like complaining about cheese in BW. It's all part of the game. If you're caught, you're caught bro.
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Anyway, I'm not voting you yet Palmar, because I still await delivery of some analysis.
And hopefully the rest of town will wake the fuck up one of these days and have a look at what's going on.
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On May 09 2013 07:05 Palmar wrote:Show nested quote +On May 09 2013 06:58 WaveofShadow wrote:
A confession which would make some sense based on your perception of the cases I and yamato and now Artanis have brought to get you lynched.
"I don't deserve to get caught as scum if the town can't properly catch me and a lie/slip/outlogic me/whatever."
This seems extremely egotistical and yet it would seem to fit with your personality as I have come to see it.
It's like complaining about cheese in BW. It's all part of the game. If you're caught, you're caught bro.
Again, you only read my stuff as if I'm scum. Town-Palmar has the same pride as scum-Palmar. I want to make absolutely 100% dead fucking sure that if I get lynched, there will be no argument that it was a good lynch anyway, that I was playing scummy, any kind of justification. If I die, I want to demonstrate as visibly as possible that it's a terrible lynch and there will be no excuses other than... well wanting to lynch me for lulz, or maybe for fear, or something. I want no one to be able to claim he voted for me with a reason.
But if you are town, what is the POINT of doing this? Pride aside, how are you helping us?
And where you think I contradicted myself; I was pointing out to Artanis that what you did could be perceived as scumhunting, however it didn't amount to anything good for town in the end, nor did it help us establish any reads on others.
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Lynching into those four is going to absolutely suck.
Even IF Palmar is scum it's still going to suck.
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Well that saves us a mislynch I guess? Kinda annoying but mafia did lose tube so I can't be too broken up in the interest of fairness.
If we somehow figure out that Palmar is no longer on the block for today I'd really like to look into Geript as though he were not 'modconfirmed.' Or Hopeless. I don't really think Jiggles/BM is scum. Kush I've honestly got no clue.
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Actually I shouldn't put Jigglypuff in the same category as BM. I know BM isn't scum.
Alright Palmar I will assume you are town. Remember that what I said earlier on about my vote still stands and will stand until the time comes to hammer you. I won't remind you again.
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