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On May 06 2013 10:36 Sharrant wrote:Show nested quote +On May 06 2013 10:29 yamato77 wrote:
All I'm gaining from this game is that if you troll day one, you'll never live it down.
20 pages of filter and more analysis of this game than all of you, yet I'm still getting called mafia. It might also have to do with the fact that of the three lynches you pushed on day 1/2, 2 flipped town. Your first list of scum is 3 town, 1 unflipped and 1 3rd party, and that you have a soft defense of two scum thrown in for good measure. I'll grant you that there's some redeeming qualities in your filter, but there's a reason you're going to keep coming up as a lynch prospect in this game. We're not lynching BC today, and we're not lynching Palmar. I want both of them alive for at least another night. There's no way they're both scum, so let's find the one, possibly two that are outside of them.
We're not?
The vote count would appear to say otherwise currently.
I doubt you're getting yamato lynched today; I'm certainly not voting for him.
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On May 06 2013 10:52 Sharrant wrote:Show nested quote +On May 06 2013 10:44 WaveofShadow wrote:On May 06 2013 10:36 Sharrant wrote:On May 06 2013 10:29 yamato77 wrote:
All I'm gaining from this game is that if you troll day one, you'll never live it down.
20 pages of filter and more analysis of this game than all of you, yet I'm still getting called mafia. It might also have to do with the fact that of the three lynches you pushed on day 1/2, 2 flipped town. Your first list of scum is 3 town, 1 unflipped and 1 3rd party, and that you have a soft defense of two scum thrown in for good measure. I'll grant you that there's some redeeming qualities in your filter, but there's a reason you're going to keep coming up as a lynch prospect in this game. We're not lynching BC today, and we're not lynching Palmar. I want both of them alive for at least another night. There's no way they're both scum, so let's find the one, possibly two that are outside of them. We're not? The vote count would appear to say otherwise currently. I doubt you're getting yamato lynched today; I'm certainly not voting for him. Is he honestly at L-2 right now? And yes, we are not lynching BC today. If I have to stop the wagon on him, I will. And I will not be happy about it.
Uh...if you are saying that you have a way to do so, then you probably should if you don't want him lynched....though I'm thinking maybe you already did.
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I remember thinking right before I went to bed last night that I had the game solved but now I can't remember why. Fuck.
I do know one thing: there are at least a couple people here sitting on vital information right now and while I partially know what's going on, I don't know if I know the whole story, so I won't say much other than personally I feel it's probably best if the people sitting on info reveal said info---it will really make the game a whole lot easier. Not to say we can't win without it, I just don't personally see the reason it's being held back.
Now with that being said I'll reveal what I know for sure. TRN masoned me the night before. We are not masoned currently. I have absolutely no reason to believe he is scum, though I am unsure as to what he thinks of me and am not quite sure why he attempted to grill me before.
On May 06 2013 20:10 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
I want to postpone all BC/Palmar related activities until tomorrow. We know one of them is town for neigh certain. That means there's at least one scummer whose name isn't BC/Palmar. I like BM's suggestion of giving you two a bit of breathing room. Stop defending yourselves, find scum.
WoS
What does confuse me is why WoS ragequit for a few days when people started believing him. When he was suspected, he posted a decent bit to defend himself. Fast forward to people no longer discussing him and he goes afk. Brought up again and now he's back, mostly to defend himself. Says the Yamato case on one of BC/Palmar being confirmed town due to JK thing makes sense but he doesn't actually give his own stance.
He could be a frustrated townie, but frustrated scum makes just as much sense.
People no loner discussing me lol. I was extremely active up until 2 days ago and people stopped discussing me LONG before that if you'd read. I was frustrated for reasons I'm not necessarily comfortable divulging, however there are things that have led me to believe that Palmar is scum. I am curious as to what leaving im alive actually accomplishes, and why Sharrant no longer appears to want to lynch him.
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On May 07 2013 00:31 Palmar wrote:
What if I told you I wasn't scum WoS?
What if I told you I don't care what you have to say at this point?
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On May 07 2013 00:53 Sharrant wrote:Show nested quote +On May 06 2013 23:47 TheRavensName wrote:On May 06 2013 23:39 Sharrant wrote:
@Palmar
I liked the exchange between you and BC over the night; I think the reason you're finding his contributions suspicious is because of a difference in play styles.
I think BC just doesn't like to write things out, he said as much earlier in the game. You're both under the pressure of a lynch, so you go out of your way to back everything up with quotes and try to make it look good. He seems to be relying on his cred as a veteran, and the fact that when he flips people will know he's not lying about what he's written.
I want both of you alive for at least a cycle. I'm happy to lynch into the little list you guys came up with, it matches up for the most part with my thoughts with a few key differences, but they're fairly subjective I think.
There's a few divergent scenarios, but I think the most basic formula for our chain of lynches is such:
Dammit. I made beautiful tree diagrams but the TL site doesn't support that kind of formatting. I'll write it out as direct chains then.
Hopeless(town)->Yamato(town)->Palmar->BC
Hopeless(town)->Yamato(scum)->(unsure, this chain I'm least sure if I'd lynch another person before Palmar/BC)
Hopeless(scum)->giygas(scum)->gg
Hopeless(scum)->giygas(town)->unsure(town)->Palmar->BC
Just a basic idea of what I think we should do, I'm open for discussion on it, and it would obviously be reevaluated after the nks. Quick question about this chain. Why is Hopeless first if your vote is on Yamato? I was in a rush to get ready. Show nested quote +On May 07 2013 00:03 WaveofShadow wrote:I remember thinking right before I went to bed last night that I had the game solved but now I can't remember why. Fuck. I do know one thing: there are at least a couple people here sitting on vital information right now and while I partially know what's going on, I don't know if I know the whole story, so I won't say much other than personally I feel it's probably best if the people sitting on info reveal said info---it will really make the game a whole lot easier. Not to say we can't win without it, I just don't personally see the reason it's being held back. Now with that being said I'll reveal what I know for sure. TRN masoned me the night before. We are not masoned currently. I have absolutely no reason to believe he is scum, though I am unsure as to what he thinks of me and am not quite sure why he attempted to grill me before. On May 06 2013 20:10 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
I want to postpone all BC/Palmar related activities until tomorrow. We know one of them is town for neigh certain. That means there's at least one scummer whose name isn't BC/Palmar. I like BM's suggestion of giving you two a bit of breathing room. Stop defending yourselves, find scum.
WoS
What does confuse me is why WoS ragequit for a few days when people started believing him. When he was suspected, he posted a decent bit to defend himself. Fast forward to people no longer discussing him and he goes afk. Brought up again and now he's back, mostly to defend himself. Says the Yamato case on one of BC/Palmar being confirmed town due to JK thing makes sense but he doesn't actually give his own stance.
He could be a frustrated townie, but frustrated scum makes just as much sense. People no loner discussing me lol. I was extremely active up until 2 days ago and people stopped discussing me LONG before that if you'd read. I was frustrated for reasons I'm not necessarily comfortable divulging, however there are things that have led me to believe that Palmar is scum. I am curious as to what leaving im alive actually accomplishes, and why Sharrant no longer appears to want to lynch him. I'm not sure where you get that I no longer want to lynch him. You'll notice that every scenario I posted that doesn't end in us killing scum in the next 2 lynches then goes on to lynching him, and if we kill scum in one of those two lynches, it only moves lynching Palmar back by one lynch. I'll give you the benefit of the doubt, and assume that instead of just not reading the thread, you meant that it appears I no longer want to lynch him today. And yes, that is correct. If he's not scum, then scum now know that there's a very real possibility that he is an insane detective and will most likely be forced to shoot him. If he is scum, we've still got another person who is much less obvious to lynch than him and I'd rather go after them. If he's still around after two night cycles, and we haven't lynched a scum, then it's time to lynch Palmar.
Alright, but then you're assuming that Palmar does what you want him to do, which he's already proven that he will not by not following Ace's plan. (I am well aware that Ace was 3p, but the agreement at the time was that all 3 dts were supposed to check each other IIRC, and Palmar was the only one who did not adhere---I believe at the time the plan was made we were supposed to lynch him if he did that?)
I honestly don't know how you can be sure of anything Palmar has done or will do; it seems as though all he has been doing all game is buying himself time, which we have given him over and over again.
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On May 07 2013 01:53 Palmar wrote:Show nested quote +On May 07 2013 00:46 WaveofShadow wrote:On May 07 2013 00:31 Palmar wrote:
What if I told you I wasn't scum WoS? What if I told you I don't care what you have to say at this point? Then you're an idiot. If you're town, have read all my contributions, and still think I'm scum I don't think you can be helped.
Yeah that's about all you've deigned to say to me all game.
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On May 07 2013 03:18 TheRavensName wrote:
Something opped into my head while I was filter diving artnanis:
Question, why are BC and Palmar even being talked about as suspects still? if they were both RBed night 1 they should both be town. Unless, were assuming ace got hit night 1 or they double stacked Vivax. Consiering no one was really hard pushing Ace in a way that would suggest he had survived a shot, i find this to be unlikely.. No way Mafia defensive jailed before vigis could shoot. So they must hve blocked one and shot the other, which would mean they would both be town.
Those scenarios are quite likely, TRN, as well the fact that mafia may not have had 2 (non-vigi)KP at any point during the game, especially since we don't have town vig.
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On May 07 2013 03:25 TheRavensName wrote:Show nested quote +On May 07 2013 03:21 WaveofShadow wrote:On May 07 2013 03:18 TheRavensName wrote:
Something opped into my head while I was filter diving artnanis:
Question, why are BC and Palmar even being talked about as suspects still? if they were both RBed night 1 they should both be town. Unless, were assuming ace got hit night 1 or they double stacked Vivax. Consiering no one was really hard pushing Ace in a way that would suggest he had survived a shot, i find this to be unlikely.. No way Mafia defensive jailed before vigis could shoot. So they must hve blocked one and shot the other, which would mean they would both be town. Those scenarios are quite likely, TRN, as well the fact that mafia may not have had 2 (non-vigi)KP at any point during the game, especially since we don't have town vig. ..... Scum started at 5 which means they could shoot twice night 1. i think a Veteran would have told them not to double stack vivax, and instead shoot him once and shoot someone else, then just shoot him again if they had to. And I don't think a newer player would have noticed the crumb as anything else other then self martyring after a failed lynch they pushed.
Where does the OP talk about scum KP formula?
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On May 07 2013 03:28 WaveofShadow wrote:Show nested quote +On May 07 2013 03:25 TheRavensName wrote:On May 07 2013 03:21 WaveofShadow wrote:On May 07 2013 03:18 TheRavensName wrote:
Something opped into my head while I was filter diving artnanis:
Question, why are BC and Palmar even being talked about as suspects still? if they were both RBed night 1 they should both be town. Unless, were assuming ace got hit night 1 or they double stacked Vivax. Consiering no one was really hard pushing Ace in a way that would suggest he had survived a shot, i find this to be unlikely.. No way Mafia defensive jailed before vigis could shoot. So they must hve blocked one and shot the other, which would mean they would both be town. Those scenarios are quite likely, TRN, as well the fact that mafia may not have had 2 (non-vigi)KP at any point during the game, especially since we don't have town vig. ..... Scum started at 5 which means they could shoot twice night 1. i think a Veteran would have told them not to double stack vivax, and instead shoot him once and shoot someone else, then just shoot him again if they had to. And I don't think a newer player would have noticed the crumb as anything else other then self martyring after a failed lynch they pushed. Where does the OP talk about scum KP formula?
Ah found it, ok you're right.
Doublestacking is more common than you'd think though.
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On May 07 2013 03:29 WaveofShadow wrote:Show nested quote +On May 07 2013 03:28 WaveofShadow wrote:On May 07 2013 03:25 TheRavensName wrote:On May 07 2013 03:21 WaveofShadow wrote:On May 07 2013 03:18 TheRavensName wrote:
Something opped into my head while I was filter diving artnanis:
Question, why are BC and Palmar even being talked about as suspects still? if they were both RBed night 1 they should both be town. Unless, were assuming ace got hit night 1 or they double stacked Vivax. Consiering no one was really hard pushing Ace in a way that would suggest he had survived a shot, i find this to be unlikely.. No way Mafia defensive jailed before vigis could shoot. So they must hve blocked one and shot the other, which would mean they would both be town. Those scenarios are quite likely, TRN, as well the fact that mafia may not have had 2 (non-vigi)KP at any point during the game, especially since we don't have town vig. ..... Scum started at 5 which means they could shoot twice night 1. i think a Veteran would have told them not to double stack vivax, and instead shoot him once and shoot someone else, then just shoot him again if they had to. And I don't think a newer player would have noticed the crumb as anything else other then self martyring after a failed lynch they pushed. Where does the OP talk about scum KP formula? Ah found it, ok you're right. Doublestacking is more common than you'd think though.
Burying shots on purpose does happen as well. I still think the only way we resolve this Palmar/BC horseshit that has been going on for days is we lynch one of them. My noose arm(finger?) is getting itchy so can we consolidate on some sort of plan?
If we really think that leaving Palmar alive another day is going to help us and he won't weasel his way out somehow then fine; I'll stave off his lynch one final day, but unless we have conclusive proof based on today's/tonight's actions that he is town I will be voting him and no one else tomorrow.
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Do people REALLY think yamato is scum?
Yamato I'd like to have a chat, if you will. About shoes and ships and sealing-wax, of cabbages and kings.
But mostly about scum.
You game?
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Despite the fact that nobody cares what I say or do, if you flip town Yamato, I'll try to see to it that Palmar goes down.
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So let's spend another 48 hours waffling between the 4 same scumspects we have for the past few days.
I'm game if you guys are!
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On May 07 2013 10:10 BloodyC0bbler wrote:
im waiting for a host to say, "fuck it you took to long, no lynch"
They will eventually.
Can we auto-win if we get exactly 4 people to vote for each person?
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On May 07 2013 13:02 kushm4sta wrote:
i think town is making a huge mistake lynching yamato
(inb4 omg town in 3rd person scumslip1!!!!)
but I dont mind it actually because I am so horny for flips. It's like when you haven't had sex in 2 years and you will have sex with anyone just to have it. exactly like that.
I agree with this post. Especially the horny part.
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So ready to quit mafia after this game.
And the start of it was so much fun too.
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So fucking tempted just to end this fuck shit of a day.
BUT NO
NO HAMMARS HERE I HAVE NOT VISITED THE HARDWARE STORE
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Hay guise, maybe I'm scum.
/bombshell
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Hey look guise.
LOOK I CAN PUT GIFS TOO
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