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On April 28 2013 10:18 Hopeless1der wrote: I won't check, but I'll hazard a guess at no I cannot because he didn't? That's not proof that he's lying now, and if you don't understand the falicy in believing that he's lying about his claim based on his "I always claim" I wonder if you are stuck in a tunnel. I wanted your opinion on "what do you think of him lying". If you think him lying about claiming stuff is not scummy and if you think he is telling the truth about being a miller that's another thing, but you completely dodged my question. What town motivation do you think WoS has in lying like this? Him claiming miller/blue is basically the only way he could possibly save him from being shot tonight. He even said he realized he looks very bad after Clarity lynch. There are/were a lot of players who wanted him dead before he claimed. If he claims blue vigis might shoot his scumbuddy and he would get lynched the next day if he's not believed, or shot tonihgt if his claim is not believed. If he was a miller i would expect he had told his stance on when millers should claim when the thread was talking about it. I think he used that discussion to take no stance on when millers should claim (or should they, at all), decided to softly "breadcrumb" miller if he were to be under suspicion later. That's what i think. | ||
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On April 28 2013 10:36 Hopeless1der wrote: It has been made abundantly clear that miller claims are worth precisely dick. I think his lie was just an exaggeration. I don't think its scummy that he posits that his town meta is to always claim, when you can pull from memory it seems an instance that it is a false statement. I think he is Severus Snape. If he was going to fake claim, why not go whole hog and claim doc or joat or something NOT miller? It has a bigger chance of failing or even outing his scumbuddy(ies). He needs to claim his N1 action. He needs to claim his N2 action on D3. This is valuable information for town to make conclusions about. If he is at any point role-copped, he is insta-fucked, the role-cop can fish out more information about his checks/targets (whatever he is). Mafia is already down as many members as town is. They need to all stay alive in a way or another, and i think as mafia WoS' best bet was to claim miller, as it sounds so stupid it might even be believed + it negates all cop/role-cop checks on him if being believed. If he is town there is no reason for him to claim miller. | ||
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Any comment on this: Holy shit, i just figured out something. Something that is very clever play from mafia if i am right. But whether or not i'm right or wrong we all need to agree that WoS needs to be shot tonight. Does anyone figure out what do i meaning? ? | ||
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If VE is town how do you explain mafia letting their vigilante die that easily? | ||
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On April 28 2013 11:40 Hopeless1der wrote: I'm very wary of ace in general and I'm not convinced of any bus shenannies. VE is cleared because I read him as giving a shit, not because of his interactions with yamato. So you think it's possible that Ace decided it's a good idea to let their vigi die and remove 2 KP from their team when he could probably have easily come up with reasons to lynch ShiaoPi over Clarity. No fucking way Ace is mafia. | ||
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On April 28 2013 11:59 ObviousOne wrote: Do you remember when Me VE and BM all bussed Artanis, our Mafia Godfather Assassin in Boardwalk? Sometimes killing a power role is what you have to do when you're backed into a corner. That's not what I think happened here since you're talking about Ace and I was thinking Palmar was the scummiest of the 5 so that may be where the thinking malfunction is coming from on my end. (Also it's taking like 10 min no joke to generate the quote page and it's driving me insane, is anyone else having connectivity issues with TL but not other things? might be settled down now but I'm going to post this in case it starts acting up again...) That was because all of the fucking D1 candidates were town in PYP!!! It does not answer the question, if VE is town why didn't mafia even try to push a mislynch on D2??? | ||
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[quote]all of the fucking D1 candidates were mafia in PYP[/b] | ||
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Palmar is gonna get copped/lynched if he is not right and he knows it. If he however is too right (pushing the correct lynches with good reasoning) he will get NK'd and he knows it. If he however trolls throughout the game but still is on the right side of things, he probably won't get lynched. That's why i think it's most likely third faction. He is not playing for mafia, but he is not playing for the town (too much) either. But pushing a lynch on your teams vigilante, even softly, at the point Palmar did it is really bad play as mafia, and Palmar is not bad. If he was mafia he would have either pushed VE harder, or not agreed with Clarity over ShiaoPi when he did. It's that simple. | ||
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That's because in Ego I already claimed right at the beginning of the game, remember the fight over whether what I said was a 'real' claim or not? I NEVER LIE. You claimed town when the game started. I don't see how this qualifies as "claiming when i am in danger of dying"? | ||
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On April 28 2013 12:26 Ace wrote: Wos-->alive.notshoot What does that mean? | ||
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On April 28 2013 12:31 WaveofShadow wrote: There's nothing to push, you dumbass. Almost everyone has already agreed I should be shot; you don't need to puff up your fucking chest and go "HAY GUISE SHOOT HIM HE SCUM LOOK AT ME" because there's no reason to. Did I not already say I'm fine being shot if it helps the town clear up any confusion like 3 fucking times? I'm just asking people to consider the idea that I'm not scum, which you absolutely refuse to do. Yes, i refuse to do so because if you are a miller there was no reason for you to claim, there are other ways to make people to change their mind. If you are mafia it's the cleverest thing you can do. And everyone is not sure if you need to be shot, for example Hopeless, OO, Palmar, Ace(?)... | ||
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Can you just say what do you mean? I don't understand. | ||
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