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VisceraEyes
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States21170 Posts
April 26 2013 22:17 GMT
#2173
I think the most damning is him lying about reading the thread. I can't see a townie motivation for saying, explicitly, that he's read the whole thread - to the point of complaining about how long it took - when it's clear that he didn't at all.

This is a thread action that has no townie motivation and plenty of scum motivation.

I'm leaving my vote guys.
if I had to describe his playstyle, it'd be a coked up rabbit with the attention of a goldfish injecting caffeine into himself directly through an IV drip. it's like a reel of random animated shorts where things just blow up randomly
VisceraEyes
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States21170 Posts
April 26 2013 22:30 GMT
#2182
Palmar sheeping could just be an attempt to blend in Ace...all the cool kids sheep Palmar these days.
if I had to describe his playstyle, it'd be a coked up rabbit with the attention of a goldfish injecting caffeine into himself directly through an IV drip. it's like a reel of random animated shorts where things just blow up randomly
VisceraEyes
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States21170 Posts
April 26 2013 22:34 GMT
#2186
On April 27 2013 07:31 Ace wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 27 2013 07:28 raynpelikoneet wrote:
My question remains. Why does ShiaoPi think Palmar is supertown and VE is scum when his reasons for VE being scum point at least as much, if not even more, to Palmar being scum.


because he is clueless and not reading the thread. He is just sheeping Palmar. I dont think that is a strong enough argument to make him scum.

Lying to town about reading the thread to make it look like he gives a shit and is trying isn't a "strong enough argument to make him scum"? There's no "evidence" in your posts, only hypotheticals and opinions. There's concrete proof that Shiao lied to the thread. CONCRETE Ace. Why are you trying to derail this lynch out of nowhere after saying earlier that you "were willing to switch"? I mean, this "bandwagon" stuff has been on your mind the whole time right? And EARLIER you said Shiao looked like a better lynch BASED ON THE OATS WAGON. NOTHING has changed ASIDE from the fact that NOW Shiao has LIED TO THE FUCKING THREAD ACE.
if I had to describe his playstyle, it'd be a coked up rabbit with the attention of a goldfish injecting caffeine into himself directly through an IV drip. it's like a reel of random animated shorts where things just blow up randomly
VisceraEyes
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States21170 Posts
April 26 2013 22:39 GMT
#2190
Ace here's a question. Why would a town ShiaoPi say that he's read the thread when he hasn't if all he's going to do is sheep Palmar with blatant disregard? Why wouldn't a town ShiaoPi just say "Hey thread, too long, no time, didn't read, sheeping Palmar"?
if I had to describe his playstyle, it'd be a coked up rabbit with the attention of a goldfish injecting caffeine into himself directly through an IV drip. it's like a reel of random animated shorts where things just blow up randomly
VisceraEyes
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States21170 Posts
April 26 2013 22:42 GMT
#2192
It's worse because Clarity came clean and said "Yeah that might have been an exaggeration" in exactly the same way that Shiao did NOT.
if I had to describe his playstyle, it'd be a coked up rabbit with the attention of a goldfish injecting caffeine into himself directly through an IV drip. it's like a reel of random animated shorts where things just blow up randomly
VisceraEyes
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States21170 Posts
April 26 2013 22:46 GMT
#2195
So your VCA completely undoes the Vivax case, but Clarity's explanation just isn't good enough?
if I had to describe his playstyle, it'd be a coked up rabbit with the attention of a goldfish injecting caffeine into himself directly through an IV drip. it's like a reel of random animated shorts where things just blow up randomly
VisceraEyes
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States21170 Posts
April 26 2013 22:48 GMT
#2198
No, he didn't. He said he read the thread. Look at the top line.

"Well that took a lot of time to read" indicating that he read the thread. He didn't ever say he didn't read the thread, he said he read the thread. What are you even posting that as evidence of him saying?
if I had to describe his playstyle, it'd be a coked up rabbit with the attention of a goldfish injecting caffeine into himself directly through an IV drip. it's like a reel of random animated shorts where things just blow up randomly
VisceraEyes
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States21170 Posts
April 26 2013 22:49 GMT
#2199
Vote-Count-Analysis
if I had to describe his playstyle, it'd be a coked up rabbit with the attention of a goldfish injecting caffeine into himself directly through an IV drip. it's like a reel of random animated shorts where things just blow up randomly
VisceraEyes
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States21170 Posts
April 26 2013 22:50 GMT
#2200
Vivax very clearly said he wanted to lynch Shiao FIRST today, and you're using Vivax as a rallying cry to get people to lynch CLARITY Ace. That's why I'm having a hard time trusting your motivations here. And why I'm not going to switch based on your voting analysis.
if I had to describe his playstyle, it'd be a coked up rabbit with the attention of a goldfish injecting caffeine into himself directly through an IV drip. it's like a reel of random animated shorts where things just blow up randomly
VisceraEyes
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States21170 Posts
April 26 2013 23:01 GMT
#2204
ARtanis coming in and NOT commenting on the prevailing discussion is disconcerting.

UGH why do people play if they don't want to play?
if I had to describe his playstyle, it'd be a coked up rabbit with the attention of a goldfish injecting caffeine into himself directly through an IV drip. it's like a reel of random animated shorts where things just blow up randomly
VisceraEyes
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States21170 Posts
April 26 2013 23:31 GMT
#2211
In an effort to clearly understand your points, I'll break it down the same way you did.

On April 27 2013 08:11 Ace wrote:
First thread of thought
We have a voting wagon of a Town player making a case on another Town player. We know this because they are both dead and confirmed Town. Clear opportunity for Scum to jump on the wagon - this is where ShiaoPi comes in. When Vivax dies, he is hit on two different threads since Vivax, a confirmed Town player calls him out. Note this doesn't make Vivax's accusation correct - just free from Scum bias. Hold this as the first thread of thought in your head.

We get to our current point today. I compare the current Shiao wagon with the original wagon on Oats. I notice there is a large overlap of similar names. For Shiao to be scum TWO things have to happen: majority of the overlap between Oats wagon AND Shiao's would have to be Town. That is a rare possibility in my eyes. When taken in context with the Clarity wagon we see unique voters on his wagon. I don't think all 3 of these things can happen coincidentally. Now hold this as the first thread in your head. Even if you think this doesn't absolve ShiaoPi as scum, and it shouldn't, when added together with other threads of thought it does.


Why is that a rare possibility in your eyes? Especially considering Oats was a mislynch, why is it hard for you to believe that it's mostly, if not all, townies? Scum hide off mislynch wagons ALL THE TIME. I'll agree that it's rare that there are NO scum on a mislynch wagon, but you can say the same thing about scum being on a scum wagon - generally they'll try and save their buddies, but sometimes there's scum on the scum wagon.

Factor in the fact that Vivax died after pushing the Oats wagon. Why would scum shoot the guy who pushed the mislynch the previous day? Would that not draw MORE attention to the scum ON the wagon Ace?

On April 27 2013 08:11 Ace wrote:
Second thread of thought

ShiaPi not reading, or barely reading vs Clarity doing the same. The difference here is that Clarity got caught by Sharrant solidly for just looking at buzz words, skimming the thread and coming up with anything. He called out a policy lynch scenario that didn't even happen. ShiaoPi shows up and tells us he doesn't have much time, and is sheeping Palmar. Clearly, he isn't reading much but this IS possible from a town p.o.v.. This is the second thread, hold this in your head.


I don't see him lying about reading the thread as possible from a townie perspective. Obviously you disagree, but I just can't see a town ShiaoPi saying "I read the whole thread gosh it took a long time" when he clearly didn't read the thread at all. Yes, he's "sheeping Palmar"...but why? I mean if he has any kind of reasoning for thinking Palmar is town and says as much, that would be one thing BUT HE DOESN'T DUDE! His only reasoning is "His reads are similar to mine"....which if that's the case, then he's not really SHEEPING Palmar at all, simply voting with him!

On April 27 2013 08:11 Ace wrote:
Third thread of thought

So now we go back to ShiaoPi's wagon and assume he is Scum. That means if he dies and flips Town a whole host of people are in trouble. But we aren't lynching for information so the next best case is to look at Scum ShiaoPi from a voting aspect. He shows up, isn't reading the thread much. He votes for you VE, and NOT Clarity. The only other real suspect on the block. Even if he is Scum and not reading - how could his Scum team let that happen? they would be incredibly dumb and lazy to do so. Why go after you, a guy who has no real wagon on him and not save his own ass? It doesn't add up if he is Scum. The only explanation is him being Town and not reading enough to know whats going on, or he and clarity are Scum. If the latter case is true then the Scum team would be making an effort to push someone else. No one else is being pushed well from what I can see. If there is point it out to me. We also give you credit for calling tube out, and he did the same. This is the third thread.


I'm interested to hear why you think I'm not a "real suspect on the block". Yes, I don't have as many votes as the other candidates, but SEVERAL players have been in here SCREAMING about how I'm scum. I've been a viable candidate ALL FUCKING DAY LONG. And how would he even KNOW this without reading the thread unless he's scum getting information from his team?

As I said earlier - I agree with CC that tube's inactivity was bound to draw mod-action eventually and Shiao calling him out shouldn't give him any points just like it shouldn't give ME any points. If you're giving me points for that, whatever - but I'm not giving Shiao points for that because until halfway through today he had made ONE SINGLE POST in the game.
if I had to describe his playstyle, it'd be a coked up rabbit with the attention of a goldfish injecting caffeine into himself directly through an IV drip. it's like a reel of random animated shorts where things just blow up randomly
VisceraEyes
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States21170 Posts
April 26 2013 23:35 GMT
#2213
Actually you know what....I don't even care. They both look horrible and frankly I don't care which of them dies. I've been in here busting my ass trying to find scum, and they haven't been doing fucking anything....either one of them.

I'm willing to consolidate on Clarity, but prefer Shiao. I'm leaving it at this.
if I had to describe his playstyle, it'd be a coked up rabbit with the attention of a goldfish injecting caffeine into himself directly through an IV drip. it's like a reel of random animated shorts where things just blow up randomly
VisceraEyes
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States21170 Posts
April 26 2013 23:38 GMT
#2214
So yeah, if you're scum Ace, you still da boss.
if I had to describe his playstyle, it'd be a coked up rabbit with the attention of a goldfish injecting caffeine into himself directly through an IV drip. it's like a reel of random animated shorts where things just blow up randomly
VisceraEyes
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States21170 Posts
April 26 2013 23:47 GMT
#2215
Also I'm a little salty that there are like 5 people out of twenty some who appear to actually fucking care about this game.
if I had to describe his playstyle, it'd be a coked up rabbit with the attention of a goldfish injecting caffeine into himself directly through an IV drip. it's like a reel of random animated shorts where things just blow up randomly
VisceraEyes
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States21170 Posts
April 26 2013 23:50 GMT
#2216
Also if Palmar is scum you fuckers need to stop sheeping him in every game. He's wrong more often than he's right when he's town, and when he's not town HES FUCKING SCUM. -.-
if I had to describe his playstyle, it'd be a coked up rabbit with the attention of a goldfish injecting caffeine into himself directly through an IV drip. it's like a reel of random animated shorts where things just blow up randomly
VisceraEyes
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States21170 Posts
April 26 2013 23:54 GMT
#2218
I'm saying he's not reading the thread. How would he know that I'm a viable lynch candidate if he's not scum getting information from his team (i.e. townShiao as you posit). But you disagree that I've been a viable lynch candidate. I'm basing it on thread sentiment, you're basing it off votes. I think they're equally indicative in games, you must not.

But it doesn't even matter anymore because I'm through wasting energy trying to argue with you about it. I think they both look really bad (all this time I've been rereading Clarity's filter/Sharrant's case) and I want the rest of town to provide opinions rather than scream over and over that one piece of shit is smellier than another piece of shit, so to speak.
if I had to describe his playstyle, it'd be a coked up rabbit with the attention of a goldfish injecting caffeine into himself directly through an IV drip. it's like a reel of random animated shorts where things just blow up randomly
VisceraEyes
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States21170 Posts
April 27 2013 00:09 GMT
#2223
On April 25 2013 13:39 Blazinghand wrote:
~~~ Vote Count ~~~

Visceraeyes (6):
Palmar, raynpelikoneet, yamato77, ObviousOne, getmoript, Bill Murray
GiygaS (1):
grush57
Palmar (0):
VisceraEyes
ShiaoPi (1):
VisceraEyes, Ace
Clarity_nl (2): Sharrant, Ace

Remember, this Day ends when a majority is reached. As soon as a majority is reached, please stop posting until the Night Post has been posted. Only votes in the voting thread will be counted! The voting thread can be found here: (link)

With 23 alive it takes 12 votes to lynch.


Okay Ace.
if I had to describe his playstyle, it'd be a coked up rabbit with the attention of a goldfish injecting caffeine into himself directly through an IV drip. it's like a reel of random animated shorts where things just blow up randomly
VisceraEyes
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States21170 Posts
April 27 2013 00:11 GMT
#2224
I want to lynch Palmar over EITHER of those guys. If I had my d'ruthers we'd be lynching the fuck out of the viking.
if I had to describe his playstyle, it'd be a coked up rabbit with the attention of a goldfish injecting caffeine into himself directly through an IV drip. it's like a reel of random animated shorts where things just blow up randomly
VisceraEyes
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States21170 Posts
April 27 2013 00:16 GMT
#2229
On April 27 2013 09:12 Ace wrote:
You weren't getting lynched, stop it. 3 of those guys are voting on whims. You said there was some thread sentiment out to get you and it never happened. I remember because hours ago we all talked about temp clearing you to look at the Oats wagon. You were not going to go down.

Whatever man, it was enough pressure for me to stop reading and start posting.

Like I said, I'm done fighting about it. They both look bad. I'd kill either one, but prefer Shiao. What's the problem?
if I had to describe his playstyle, it'd be a coked up rabbit with the attention of a goldfish injecting caffeine into himself directly through an IV drip. it's like a reel of random animated shorts where things just blow up randomly
VisceraEyes
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States21170 Posts
April 27 2013 00:19 GMT
#2232
Like, why continue to argue with me about it? You've made your point, I concede that I can't prove beyond what I've said that Shiao is a better target than Clarity and I've capitulated that I'm willing to move my vote to Clarity if Shiao doesn't look to be happening...which if you're serious about your push, he shouldn't.
if I had to describe his playstyle, it'd be a coked up rabbit with the attention of a goldfish injecting caffeine into himself directly through an IV drip. it's like a reel of random animated shorts where things just blow up randomly
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