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On May 05 2013 09:13 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
If you want me to reword it to incredibly unlikely to be scum then I'll indulge you.
Who did you mason?
Why does it matter?
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On May 05 2013 09:52 Artanis[Xp] wrote:Show nested quote +On May 05 2013 09:34 TheRavensName wrote:On May 05 2013 09:13 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
If you want me to reword it to incredibly unlikely to be scum then I'll indulge you.
Who did you mason? Why does it matter? It doesn't matter much, just curiosity. GG OO.
l everyone else claimed who they were. The one from tonight is free to do the same, unless he says something i dislike.
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On May 05 2013 10:29 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
Actually I'd only need one more if the JK claimed with whom he protected.
How would his protection list prove anyone town?
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On May 05 2013 16:07 yamato77 wrote:Show nested quote +On May 05 2013 14:20 Sharrant wrote:On May 05 2013 14:12 yamato77 wrote:On May 05 2013 13:19 Sharrant wrote:
Whether or not it happened, to discount scum jailing one of their own on day as "very improbable" is unwise in my opinion. Jailer claiming would give us one confirmed townie, then a dead townie the following night and no protection from that point on. And it wouldn't give us another confirmed townie because scum no doubt put more than two seconds thought into their night one jail.
If they did that, they'd first come to your conclusion, and then realize that they only had probably 1/3 chance of hitting a role that would be hampered by a role block, and that they could use their own roleblock for town cred.
Now it doesn't matter whether they did that or not, because just the fact that they could have done that means that you can't confirm a second person from a jailer claim. Thus I urge the jailer not to claim. Yes, you can, because scum wouldn't jail their own N1. Stopping a cop/other jailer is so much more important than the "town cred" from a N1 roleblock. Then how do you explain both of the people roleblocked on night one being alive? Surely if a vet would be considered confirmed town after such an action, the mafia would have had to kill him as quickly as possible, even if they were a mislynch possibility just based on the fact that the jailer could claim. The jailer wouldn't claim until a situation like this, and the chances of the jailer and the scum target both being alive, plus the scum jailer dead at this point in the game are relatively low. All of those things are required for this to be successful. You don't go in to a game, especially on N1 after a mislynch, assuming that your roleblock could somehow later on confirm a townie. You go in trying to stop a cop or a JK from getting off their night actions. It's not that difficult to understand. You're making this far too complicated. It's simple. Town JK roleblocked someone night 1, and he did it trying to protect them. That says nothing about their alignment. Scum used JK on someone night 1 trying to stop a night action, and that makes that person CONFIRMED not mafia.
Sharrant kinda brings up a good point though. Why wouldn't they off whoever was protected then?
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On May 06 2013 03:18 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
Sharrant, you're breakin mah balls man, breakin mah balls.
I really feel like the Town JK should claim here now that both BC and Palmar are back on the table. It'll at least help clear one of them.
HOW THE FUCK is BLUE BAITING SAVING EITHER OF THEM?
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On May 06 2013 04:30 yamato77 wrote:
The notion that the jailer claim does not confirm town is a bad one. Stop being bad.
SCum could have just as easily shot Ace Night 1 or double stacked to get rid of the potential veteran. I would rather not lose the JK. Thats just me.
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God my heads killing me so I'm going to go lie down. Please don't hammer anyone too son. Personally, I'm less inclined to believe a Hopeless and BC lynch as being a good idea, In fact of any of the active players, I still just have a bad reaction to palmar. I would rather fcus on someone like Giggles. At the very least it should be waited for WoS to respond to the accusations against him.
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On May 06 2013 09:29 WaveofShadow wrote:Show nested quote +On May 06 2013 07:16 Artanis[Xp] wrote:On May 06 2013 07:11 yamato77 wrote:
I feel it highly unlikely that scum-WoS (a first time mafia player) would be as active as he has been, nor do I feel it likely that he would have the balls to claim miller as mafia, either. I agreed with you at the time, but there's a few things that don't add up. -There's Rayn mentioning him on D2 as someone to look into the next day. He dies N2. -His filter pushes a scum agenda. Has defended scum, then backtracked when they were looking poor. -A lot of his comments felt off to me when scrolling through his filter. I don't know if it's how WoS always posts, but there's this defensive aura about him. -Dropping out completely activity wise recently. He hasn't even posted the past two days. BM and Getmoript pointed out a few things as well. I think he deserves a closer look and I want that closer look before the day ends. 1) WIFOM-y as hell. I already mentioned that they lynched him to make me look bad; was the whole reasoning for me having to miller claim. If you'd read my filter you'd know that I already explained this. 2) Hard defended who? Clarity? Yes, I admitted to have been wrong about him. Yes, I backtracked, because I wanted to get my thoughts out about why I felt I was wrong. What other mafia have I defended? Hell did I ever defend Ace either? What about me constantly pushing Shiao? This is being really selective. 3) I dunno, not much to say about that. 4) I was angry and needed a break. Not even going to bother defending myself against geript's posting because once again, as always, it's overreaching. Go ahead and take as close a look as you need but honestly if you really feel like I'm on the block for today above any of the other suspects then I don't know what to say. I'll be able to get back into it a little more later tonight and tomorrow if there are any other outstanding issues people have with me.
1. Bullshit! You claimed Miller before Rayn died.
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On May 06 2013 09:57 WaveofShadow wrote:Show nested quote +On May 06 2013 09:41 TheRavensName wrote:On May 06 2013 09:29 WaveofShadow wrote:On May 06 2013 07:16 Artanis[Xp] wrote:On May 06 2013 07:11 yamato77 wrote:
I feel it highly unlikely that scum-WoS (a first time mafia player) would be as active as he has been, nor do I feel it likely that he would have the balls to claim miller as mafia, either. I agreed with you at the time, but there's a few things that don't add up. -There's Rayn mentioning him on D2 as someone to look into the next day. He dies N2. -His filter pushes a scum agenda. Has defended scum, then backtracked when they were looking poor. -A lot of his comments felt off to me when scrolling through his filter. I don't know if it's how WoS always posts, but there's this defensive aura about him. -Dropping out completely activity wise recently. He hasn't even posted the past two days. BM and Getmoript pointed out a few things as well. I think he deserves a closer look and I want that closer look before the day ends. 1) WIFOM-y as hell. I already mentioned that they lynched him to make me look bad; was the whole reasoning for me having to miller claim. If you'd read my filter you'd know that I already explained this. 2) Hard defended who? Clarity? Yes, I admitted to have been wrong about him. Yes, I backtracked, because I wanted to get my thoughts out about why I felt I was wrong. What other mafia have I defended? Hell did I ever defend Ace either? What about me constantly pushing Shiao? This is being really selective. 3) I dunno, not much to say about that. 4) I was angry and needed a break. Not even going to bother defending myself against geript's posting because once again, as always, it's overreaching. Go ahead and take as close a look as you need but honestly if you really feel like I'm on the block for today above any of the other suspects then I don't know what to say. I'll be able to get back into it a little more later tonight and tomorrow if there are any other outstanding issues people have with me. 1. Bullshit! You claimed Miller before Rayn died. Did I? Guess you're right. This game is taking too long. Oh well reasoning is essentially the same, they tried to frame me by killing Rayn after we had a huge back-and-forth. Show nested quote +On April 29 2013 06:20 WaveofShadow wrote:
So no one decided to vig I assume. Lol obvious attempt to frame me even though I clearly called Rayn town throughout my arguing with him last night. Alright when I get back later tonight as promised I will be doing everything in my power to prevent a wasted lynch on me. You guys are still welcome to vig me N3 if you so choose.
Giygas scum btw.
So why did you claim then?
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On May 06 2013 10:21 WaveofShadow wrote:Show nested quote +On May 06 2013 10:05 TheRavensName wrote:On May 06 2013 09:57 WaveofShadow wrote:On May 06 2013 09:41 TheRavensName wrote:On May 06 2013 09:29 WaveofShadow wrote:On May 06 2013 07:16 Artanis[Xp] wrote:On May 06 2013 07:11 yamato77 wrote:
I feel it highly unlikely that scum-WoS (a first time mafia player) would be as active as he has been, nor do I feel it likely that he would have the balls to claim miller as mafia, either. I agreed with you at the time, but there's a few things that don't add up. -There's Rayn mentioning him on D2 as someone to look into the next day. He dies N2. -His filter pushes a scum agenda. Has defended scum, then backtracked when they were looking poor. -A lot of his comments felt off to me when scrolling through his filter. I don't know if it's how WoS always posts, but there's this defensive aura about him. -Dropping out completely activity wise recently. He hasn't even posted the past two days. BM and Getmoript pointed out a few things as well. I think he deserves a closer look and I want that closer look before the day ends. 1) WIFOM-y as hell. I already mentioned that they lynched him to make me look bad; was the whole reasoning for me having to miller claim. If you'd read my filter you'd know that I already explained this. 2) Hard defended who? Clarity? Yes, I admitted to have been wrong about him. Yes, I backtracked, because I wanted to get my thoughts out about why I felt I was wrong. What other mafia have I defended? Hell did I ever defend Ace either? What about me constantly pushing Shiao? This is being really selective. 3) I dunno, not much to say about that. 4) I was angry and needed a break. Not even going to bother defending myself against geript's posting because once again, as always, it's overreaching. Go ahead and take as close a look as you need but honestly if you really feel like I'm on the block for today above any of the other suspects then I don't know what to say. I'll be able to get back into it a little more later tonight and tomorrow if there are any other outstanding issues people have with me. 1. Bullshit! You claimed Miller before Rayn died. Did I? Guess you're right. This game is taking too long. Oh well reasoning is essentially the same, they tried to frame me by killing Rayn after we had a huge back-and-forth. On April 29 2013 06:20 WaveofShadow wrote:
So no one decided to vig I assume. Lol obvious attempt to frame me even though I clearly called Rayn town throughout my arguing with him last night. Alright when I get back later tonight as promised I will be doing everything in my power to prevent a wasted lynch on me. You guys are still welcome to vig me N3 if you so choose.
Giygas scum btw. So why did you claim then? In my filter multiple times if you'd read. I know you think you're being clever and you've caught me in something, but you're not. Show nested quote +On April 28 2013 13:12 WaveofShadow wrote:On April 28 2013 13:08 raynpelikoneet wrote:So you are taking WoS at face value now because you think it's impossible that he soft-claimed miller as mafia. You are also going to ignore all the suspicious things he has done (as you fucking thought he should be shot earlier, that means you were suspicious of him). I'm going to yell so much at everyone of you if WoS is mafia and is not shot tonight. Based purely on the fact that this post here is 100% right and at least Ace should know it too, and WoS should have read it if he is in fact town miller: On April 23 2013 05:30 BloodyC0bbler wrote:
What reason does town have to make to ever claim miller? Seriously, tell me. All it does is clusterfuck a thread and leaves open ground for mafia to claim as well and thus be cleared as town as he claimed miller. Assume all miller claims are bullshit and kill. If you get red checked you get killed. Its pretty simple. You lynch people who are likely mafia. Town has no reason to ever claim miller EVEN IF THEY KNOW THEY ARE ONE. As all it does is create chaos. IE only mafia have a benefit to claim it thus should be lynched. I did read it. And he's mostly right. And I've already mentioned it's because I'd rather force a wasted vig shot than a wasted DT check and wasted lynch.Pretty decent reasons to me. Whether or not YOU think this was going to happen or not is irrelevant. It's what I thought was going to happen and so I acted. Simple.
if that was the reason, why didn't you say so?
Now see you say that I should feel clever for this, but you have at least 2 full filter pages that are just calling everything a scum slip.
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On May 06 2013 23:39 Sharrant wrote:
@Palmar
I liked the exchange between you and BC over the night; I think the reason you're finding his contributions suspicious is because of a difference in play styles.
I think BC just doesn't like to write things out, he said as much earlier in the game. You're both under the pressure of a lynch, so you go out of your way to back everything up with quotes and try to make it look good. He seems to be relying on his cred as a veteran, and the fact that when he flips people will know he's not lying about what he's written.
I want both of you alive for at least a cycle. I'm happy to lynch into the little list you guys came up with, it matches up for the most part with my thoughts with a few key differences, but they're fairly subjective I think.
There's a few divergent scenarios, but I think the most basic formula for our chain of lynches is such:
Dammit. I made beautiful tree diagrams but the TL site doesn't support that kind of formatting. I'll write it out as direct chains then.
Hopeless(town)->Yamato(town)->Palmar->BC
Hopeless(town)->Yamato(scum)->(unsure, this chain I'm least sure if I'd lynch another person before Palmar/BC)
Hopeless(scum)->giygas(scum)->gg
Hopeless(scum)->giygas(town)->unsure(town)->Palmar->BC
Just a basic idea of what I think we should do, I'm open for discussion on it, and it would obviously be reevaluated after the nks.
Quick question about this chain. Why is Hopeless first if your vote is on Yamato?
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Something opped into my head while I was filter diving artnanis:
Question, why are BC and Palmar even being talked about as suspects still? if they were both RBed night 1 they should both be town. Unless, were assuming ace got hit night 1 or they double stacked Vivax. Consiering no one was really hard pushing Ace in a way that would suggest he had survived a shot, i find this to be unlikely.. No way Mafia defensive jailed before vigis could shoot. So they must hve blocked one and shot the other, which would mean they would both be town.
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On May 07 2013 03:21 WaveofShadow wrote:Show nested quote +On May 07 2013 03:18 TheRavensName wrote:
Something opped into my head while I was filter diving artnanis:
Question, why are BC and Palmar even being talked about as suspects still? if they were both RBed night 1 they should both be town. Unless, were assuming ace got hit night 1 or they double stacked Vivax. Consiering no one was really hard pushing Ace in a way that would suggest he had survived a shot, i find this to be unlikely.. No way Mafia defensive jailed before vigis could shoot. So they must hve blocked one and shot the other, which would mean they would both be town. Those scenarios are quite likely, TRN, as well the fact that mafia may not have had 2 (non-vigi)KP at any point during the game, especially since we don't have town vig.
..... Scum started at 5 which means they could shoot twice night 1.
i think a Veteran would have told them not to double stack vivax, and instead shoot him once and shoot someone else, then just shoot him again if they had to. And I don't think a newer player would have noticed the crumb as anything else other then self martyring after a failed lynch they pushed.
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On March 22 2013 20:48 Blazinghand wrote:Death Eaters Scum KP is # of scum / 2, rounded down. Scum KP is delivered factionally and cannot be roleblocked. Scum will return normal-looking roles to rolecop checks (ie Scum Vigilante returns Vigilante, Scum Goon returns Vanilla, Scum Framer returns Cop) but with the exception of the Godfather, return Red to DT checks.
You slipping Again WoS? its right there in the role listing. I think a town would have noticed this. Especially sense its been brought up before about why Mafia would bus one about to be mod killed in order to save one of their KP shots.
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On May 07 2013 03:29 WaveofShadow wrote:Show nested quote +On May 07 2013 03:28 WaveofShadow wrote:On May 07 2013 03:25 TheRavensName wrote:On May 07 2013 03:21 WaveofShadow wrote:On May 07 2013 03:18 TheRavensName wrote:
Something opped into my head while I was filter diving artnanis:
Question, why are BC and Palmar even being talked about as suspects still? if they were both RBed night 1 they should both be town. Unless, were assuming ace got hit night 1 or they double stacked Vivax. Consiering no one was really hard pushing Ace in a way that would suggest he had survived a shot, i find this to be unlikely.. No way Mafia defensive jailed before vigis could shoot. So they must hve blocked one and shot the other, which would mean they would both be town. Those scenarios are quite likely, TRN, as well the fact that mafia may not have had 2 (non-vigi)KP at any point during the game, especially since we don't have town vig. ..... Scum started at 5 which means they could shoot twice night 1. i think a Veteran would have told them not to double stack vivax, and instead shoot him once and shoot someone else, then just shoot him again if they had to. And I don't think a newer player would have noticed the crumb as anything else other then self martyring after a failed lynch they pushed. Where does the OP talk about scum KP formula? Ah found it, ok you're right. Doublestacking is more common than you'd think though.
Perhaps when someone is actually a threat and likely to get protection. Vivax just lead a mislynch, which made protection quite unlikely. i don't see why Mafia would throw away their only gauranteed night of double shooting with how much of their team was afk/under suspicion.
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On May 07 2013 04:25 yamato77 wrote:Show nested quote +On May 07 2013 03:32 TheRavensName wrote:On May 07 2013 03:29 WaveofShadow wrote:On May 07 2013 03:28 WaveofShadow wrote:On May 07 2013 03:25 TheRavensName wrote:On May 07 2013 03:21 WaveofShadow wrote:On May 07 2013 03:18 TheRavensName wrote:
Something opped into my head while I was filter diving artnanis:
Question, why are BC and Palmar even being talked about as suspects still? if they were both RBed night 1 they should both be town. Unless, were assuming ace got hit night 1 or they double stacked Vivax. Consiering no one was really hard pushing Ace in a way that would suggest he had survived a shot, i find this to be unlikely.. No way Mafia defensive jailed before vigis could shoot. So they must hve blocked one and shot the other, which would mean they would both be town. Those scenarios are quite likely, TRN, as well the fact that mafia may not have had 2 (non-vigi)KP at any point during the game, especially since we don't have town vig. ..... Scum started at 5 which means they could shoot twice night 1. i think a Veteran would have told them not to double stack vivax, and instead shoot him once and shoot someone else, then just shoot him again if they had to. And I don't think a newer player would have noticed the crumb as anything else other then self martyring after a failed lynch they pushed. Where does the OP talk about scum KP formula? Ah found it, ok you're right. Doublestacking is more common than you'd think though. Perhaps when someone is actually a threat and likely to get protection. Vivax just lead a mislynch, which made protection quite unlikely. i don't see why Mafia would throw away their only gauranteed night of double shooting with how much of their team was afk/under suspicion. Just because someone was wrong about the lynch they led on day 1 does not make them a bad shot. Vivax was an unexpected NK, but I don't think anyone was suspicious of him whatsoever. It's important for scum to keep people like Vivax dead. If town is listening to someone, even if that person is wrong at that time, you should kill them. You never let town form a cohesive group. That's what the Vivax/Rayn/OO NKs were all about. No one suspected them, and they were listened to, to a certain extent.
My point wasn't they wouldn't kill him. My point was they wouldn't doublestack.
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On May 07 2013 04:30 WaveofShadow wrote:
Do people REALLY think yamato is scum?
Due to my latest musings, along with the feeling I've had all game long? Yes. I think he is. Im just trying to find a partner for him though.
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On May 07 2013 09:55 Hopeless1der wrote:
Someone remind me why I'm supposed to have a townread on giggles, because yamato+giggles is looking mighty fine right about now.
It is ant it?
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Voting on Yamato, ive had a gut scum read about him the entire game and I'm rethinking my read on Palmar and i don't think BC is mafia.
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On May 07 2013 12:18 geript wrote:
I'd much rather just lynch palmar because his ego is insufferable.
And your vote is on BC still. Just help me flip Yamato so I can win.
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