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On May 05 2013 09:13 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
If you want me to reword it to incredibly unlikely to be scum then I'll indulge you.
Who did you mason?

On May 05 2013 09:52 Artanis[Xp] wrote:

It doesn't matter much, just curiosity.
GG OO.

On May 05 2013 10:29 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
Actually I'd only need one more if the JK claimed with whom he protected.

On May 05 2013 16:07 yamato77 wrote:

The jailer wouldn't claim until a situation like this, and the chances of the jailer and the scum target both being alive, plus the scum jailer dead at this point in the game are relatively low. All of those things are required for this to be successful. You don't go in to a game, especially on N1 after a mislynch, assuming that your roleblock could somehow later on confirm a townie. You go in trying to stop a cop or a JK from getting off their night actions. It's not that difficult to understand.

You're making this far too complicated. It's simple. Town JK roleblocked someone night 1, and he did it trying to protect them. That says nothing about their alignment. Scum used JK on someone night 1 trying to stop a night action, and that makes that person CONFIRMED not mafia.

On May 06 2013 03:18 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
Sharrant, you're breakin mah balls man, breakin mah balls.
I really feel like the Town JK should claim here now that both BC and Palmar are back on the table. It'll at least help clear one of them.

On May 06 2013 04:30 yamato77 wrote:
The notion that the jailer claim does not confirm town is a bad one. Stop being bad.

On May 06 2013 09:29 WaveofShadow wrote:


1) WIFOM-y as hell. I already mentioned that they lynched him to make me look bad; was the whole reasoning for me having to miller claim. If you'd read my filter you'd know that I already explained this.
2) Hard defended who? Clarity? Yes, I admitted to have been wrong about him. Yes, I backtracked, because I wanted to get my thoughts out about why I felt I was wrong. What other mafia have I defended? Hell did I ever defend Ace either? What about me constantly pushing Shiao? This is being really selective.
3) I dunno, not much to say about that.
4) I was angry and needed a break.

Not even going to bother defending myself against geript's posting because once again, as always, it's overreaching.

Go ahead and take as close a look as you need but honestly if you really feel like I'm on the block for today above any of the other suspects then I don't know what to say. I'll be able to get back into it a little more later tonight and tomorrow if there are any other outstanding issues people have with me.

On May 06 2013 09:57 WaveofShadow wrote:

Did I? Guess you're right. This game is taking too long.
Oh well reasoning is essentially the same, they tried to frame me by killing Rayn after we had a huge back-and-forth.

On May 06 2013 10:21 WaveofShadow wrote:

In my filter multiple times if you'd read. I know you think you're being clever and you've caught me in something, but you're not.

On May 06 2013 23:39 Sharrant wrote:
@Palmar
I liked the exchange between you and BC over the night; I think the reason you're finding his contributions suspicious is because of a difference in play styles.

I think BC just doesn't like to write things out, he said as much earlier in the game. You're both under the pressure of a lynch, so you go out of your way to back everything up with quotes and try to make it look good. He seems to be relying on his cred as a veteran, and the fact that when he flips people will know he's not lying about what he's written.

I want both of you alive for at least a cycle. I'm happy to lynch into the little list you guys came up with, it matches up for the most part with my thoughts with a few key differences, but they're fairly subjective I think.

There's a few divergent scenarios, but I think the most basic formula for our chain of lynches is such:

Dammit. I made beautiful tree diagrams but the TL site doesn't support that kind of formatting. I'll write it out as direct chains then.

Hopeless(town)->Yamato(town)->Palmar->BC
Hopeless(town)->Yamato(scum)->(unsure, this chain I'm least sure if I'd lynch another person before Palmar/BC)
Hopeless(scum)->giygas(scum)->gg
Hopeless(scum)->giygas(town)->unsure(town)->Palmar->BC

Just a basic idea of what I think we should do, I'm open for discussion on it, and it would obviously be reevaluated after the nks.

On May 07 2013 03:21 WaveofShadow wrote:

Those scenarios are quite likely, TRN, as well the fact that mafia may not have had 2 (non-vigi)KP at any point during the game, especially since we don't have town vig.

On March 22 2013 20:48 Blazinghand wrote:

Scum KP is # of scum / 2, rounded down. Scum KP is delivered factionally and cannot be roleblocked. Scum will return normal-looking roles to rolecop checks (ie Scum Vigilante returns Vigilante, Scum Goon returns Vanilla, Scum Framer returns Cop) but with the exception of the Godfather, return Red to DT checks.

On May 07 2013 03:29 WaveofShadow wrote:

Ah found it, ok you're right.
Doublestacking is more common than you'd think though.

On May 07 2013 04:25 yamato77 wrote:

Just because someone was wrong about the lynch they led on day 1 does not make them a bad shot. Vivax was an unexpected NK, but I don't think anyone was suspicious of him whatsoever.

It's important for scum to keep people like Vivax dead. If town is listening to someone, even if that person is wrong at that time, you should kill them. You never let town form a cohesive group. That's what the Vivax/Rayn/OO NKs were all about. No one suspected them, and they were listened to, to a certain extent.

On May 07 2013 04:30 WaveofShadow wrote:
Do people REALLY think yamato is scum?

On May 07 2013 09:55 Hopeless1der wrote:
Someone remind me why I'm supposed to have a townread on giggles, because yamato+giggles is looking mighty fine right about now.

On May 07 2013 12:18 geript wrote:
I'd much rather just lynch palmar because his ego is insufferable.