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On April 26 2013 12:06 GiygaS wrote:





Stop lying.

On April 26 2013 12:14 Ace wrote:


I think you're Town but I always think in terms of leaning/Protown and Confirmed Town. So when I say temporarily cleared it doesn't mean you are Scum - just me really saying you aren't confirmed. I'll try to be more clear from now on.

I'm liking ShiaoPi more than Clarity because of the Oats wagon. But Vivax accused them both so it's not a big deal for either wagon especially when both are just chilling right now. Yamato still missing is of course a big deal.

On April 26 2013 12:18 ObviousOne wrote:
BM Palmar ShiaoPi GiygaS

90% of the game of Mafia is half skill. The other half is reading.

BOOM!

On April 26 2013 12:20 Ace wrote:


I don't understand. how does yamato flipping correlate with Shiaopi over Clarity because of the Oats wagon?

On April 26 2013 12:26 Ace wrote:
yes. Maybe you missed the post I made earlier but basically it was Oats (Town) was accused by Vivax (Town) and gets lynched by 13 players. I doubt all 13 are Town because that would be incredible luck and insight on Scum's behalf to all miss that vote. Hence we should look at who is on the wagon. Combine it with Vivax, the only N1 death meaning someone really wanted him dead because of his accusations, and he was right about something. Combine those seperate threads of thought/looking for scum and thats how I got to the points I'm at.

On April 26 2013 12:41 Ace wrote:


I dont think all were on it either, just some. Hammering someone isn't scummy, especially if we've discussed it for that many hours. Even so I don't remember ever saying ShiaoPi is Scum because he hammered Oats. As an aside, hammering is usually scummy when you don't give someone a chance to do anything, Oats was around long before the hammer dropped.

On April 26 2013 12:43 ObviousOne wrote:
Hammer or not, his vote reasoning was basically Oats was being a silly bitch.

On April 26 2013 13:07 ObviousOne wrote:

The wagons were solid cases, even if they were wrong, objectively it was two scummy-looking players.

The only point against Ace in any way regarding how things went down D1 is if he somehow knew both wagons were town and you have to start from the assumption that he is mafia (admittedly easier to do earlier in the game than now) to essentially guarantee a town lynch. He didn't say not to bring up fresh cases, he basically said don't bring up terrible fresh cases or they won't be considered. I mentioned he championed the lynches as the only options but realistically after 2 real days it was time to push forward for a D1 and someone had to do it or we might have been putzing for another day.

Conversely I think we're being really productive still past the 2-RL day mark at this point but I do feel we should start listing today's candidates soon and Ace's idea of lynching from the scummiest players on the Oats wagon is probably a good place to start. That's kind of where I was going with my red names a short while ago.

Another place we probably need to look is the Yamato wagon at some point (especially those who joined very easily or with very clearly bullshit reasons [BTW my reason was I preferred to lynch Yamato over Oats at the time, save you a few seconds of checking, your call whether or not it was bullshit] plus the outlier and non-voters as the other category for D1 lynch. Treat them all as the secondary category so we don't get pigeon-holed into being too granular with the search.

On April 26 2013 06:48 raynpelikoneet wrote:
I am also waiting for yamato's response to BC. In case i'm wrong about VE he would be my, if not second, at least third pick for todays lynch. N1 he called Clarity scum due to his timing of the case on Sharrant without a doubt, now it's suddenly a possibility that he was just a townie who wanted to contribute something of his own. I questioned yamato about this on N1 sepecifically asking if it's possible that Clarity just thought he should say something about his scumreads when he came back. Everyone can see him changing his mind on D2 based on nothing if you read his filter.

On April 26 2013 13:54 Sharrant wrote:


I'm not sure I follow, that just sounds like another point as to why Palmar isn't mafia. If you believe a mafia Palmar would shoot BC over anyone (with Ace a close second) but the only shot was Vivax, then does that not say you believe Palmar is not mafia?

I think we may have our wires crossed again, help me out here.

On April 26 2013 13:59 Sharrant wrote:


Ah, I get you know. That is a possibility, but I still find it quite unlikely, I will however keep it in mind. At any rate, I don't think you can disagree that if Palmar is mafia trying to pull the wool over town's eyes with this one, it is doomed to fail because he's not a player that will benefit from the plan as he either dies quickly or will get lynched.

But if he is...

On April 26 2013 14:08 ObviousOne wrote:

Please replace some of those pronouns with nouns if you want an answer for this before I sleep, that's a lot of he/his and I'm completely lost and I want to understand it. Let's see if my interpretation is right so you might not even need to write it yourself:

Yamato scummy for calling clarity scummy for clarity's post on sharrant then yamato does a 180 into a town read on clarity for the same reason but nothing happened to change yamato's mind in the thread. As if Yamato forgot he gave clarity a scum read and then changed his mind.

My only answer is probably the one you're looking to get out of Yamato himself, as there is only really one possible not-scummy answer. I think the question is, will you believe it even if he gives you the right answer?