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Additional note: With the first sentence, I meant that your case is good.
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On May 06 2013 01:36 Hopeless1der wrote:
You'll note the stagnating day. Some might attribute that to it being the weekend. Others to general apathy. I'd partially attribute it to the fact that scum neither want to push my lynch nor suggest another.
What are you guys waiting for exactly? If you think im scum hurry up and lynch me already so you can actually start playing the game again. I'd guess at 5 people who essentially showed up strictly to vote me and fucked off. They can't all be scum, so this game is very trivial right now until you start looking into these questionable actions.
Why the fuck aren't you helping to figure this game out? Regardless of your alignment you're playing an atrocious game. Step it up.
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On May 06 2013 03:31 Sharrant wrote:Show nested quote +On May 06 2013 03:20 Artanis[Xp] wrote:Additional note: With the first sentence, I meant that your case is good. Also On May 06 2013 01:36 Hopeless1der wrote:
You'll note the stagnating day. Some might attribute that to it being the weekend. Others to general apathy. I'd partially attribute it to the fact that scum neither want to push my lynch nor suggest another.
What are you guys waiting for exactly? If you think im scum hurry up and lynch me already so you can actually start playing the game again. I'd guess at 5 people who essentially showed up strictly to vote me and fucked off. They can't all be scum, so this game is very trivial right now until you start looking into these questionable actions. Why the fuck aren't you helping to figure this game out? Regardless of your alignment you're playing an atrocious game. Step it up. Do you think he's fake claiming cop, or do you think he is a cop?
I don't know. But what worries me is that even if it's a fakeclaim and he's scum, why would he say he didn't check anyone? He could've said he checked Hopeless or whoever and got red. There's no risk in that and it'd 'prove' he's paranoid and that his check means nothing.
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This is either the worst thought out fakeclaim of all time or the second worst cop play of all time.
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On May 06 2013 03:41 TheRavensName wrote:Show nested quote +On May 06 2013 03:18 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
Sharrant, you're breakin mah balls man, breakin mah balls.
I really feel like the Town JK should claim here now that both BC and Palmar are back on the table. It'll at least help clear one of them. HOW THE FUCK is BLUE BAITING SAVING EITHER OF THEM?
It's not baiting, it's outright asking for a claim. I'm not trying to hide anything.
Unless scum held their RB N1 or RBed one of their own (both of which I highly doubt) it'd confirm the one between Palmar/BC who isn't scum.
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I'm back. What's going on? Why are we lynching BC and why aren't we talking more about WoS?
On April 29 2013 02:18 BloodyC0bbler wrote:WaveofShadow. This guy has been discussed a bunch already. I feel he has to be dealt with because of his claim. The only way I am comfortable with him not dying is if he seriously steps up and plays solidly and gives me a reason to think of him as a miller and not confirmed scum.
You have barely mentioned him since then. What gives? What's your current read on him?
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I don't see any reason to jump to conclusions when there's so much left to be discussed. We have as much time as we want and I don't want the day to end yet. WoS looks intriguing and I want to hear everyone talk about him before anyone gets offed.
Also, regardless of what BC flips I will not support a Yamato lynch.
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On May 06 2013 07:11 yamato77 wrote:
I feel it highly unlikely that scum-WoS (a first time mafia player) would be as active as he has been, nor do I feel it likely that he would have the balls to claim miller as mafia, either.
I agreed with you at the time, but there's a few things that don't add up.
-There's Rayn mentioning him on D2 as someone to look into the next day. He dies N2.
-His filter pushes a scum agenda. Has defended scum, then backtracked when they were looking poor.
-A lot of his comments felt off to me when scrolling through his filter. I don't know if it's how WoS always posts, but there's this defensive aura about him.
-Dropping out completely activity wise recently. He hasn't even posted the past two days.
BM and Getmoript pointed out a few things as well. I think he deserves a closer look and I want that closer look before the day ends.
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He also did plop his vote on Hopeless but never showed his face in the thread.
WaveOfShadow, where are thee?
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I'm lost. Yamato, BM, geript, tell me what to do.
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With that I meant that I consider you three pretty strongly town, not that I suspect any of you. Geript because of the marvkill, and Yamato because I really don't see how he could've held this kind of activity and care this much as scum with a scumteam including at least 3 inactives.
I don't like lynching GiggleS at the moment, but I'd be happy to pressure Stutters for a bit. With Palmar I want him to check WoS since if he's insane and not paranoid he'll get a green check on him regardless, so we'll be certain of his alignment presuming it's legit. If he gets red we can always off him then.
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And I hate TRN's posts in terms of content but he seems too paranoid to be scum. He seems to try to figure out the game so I'm not interested in lynching him at this point at least.
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On May 06 2013 17:09 yamato77 wrote:
If Palmar is scum, he's going to make up whatever he wants to about his check.
If he fakes a green check, he's claiming insane so he's going to have to actually make up alignments as he goes along, if any of them flip and aren't what they're supposed to be then it'll implicate him. We can choose for him whom we want him to check.
If he's red, we know we can disregard the entire check.
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If it's a red check* we can disregard any information from the supposed checks.
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On May 06 2013 17:14 yamato77 wrote:Show nested quote +On May 06 2013 17:11 Artanis[Xp] wrote:On May 06 2013 17:09 yamato77 wrote:
If Palmar is scum, he's going to make up whatever he wants to about his check. If he fakes a green check, he's claiming insane so he's going to have to actually make up alignments as he goes along, if any of them flip and aren't what they're supposed to be then it'll implicate him. We can choose for him whom we want him to check. If he's red, we know we can disregard the entire check. The problem is, he knows everyone's alignment. So he can just keep "checking" townies to stay alive. I'd rather just lynch him.
We can choose for him whom he has to check. If he refuses, we lynch him.
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There's four options here.
1. Palmar is a Paranoid cop.
He'll check WoS and see him as red too. When Palmar flips, we'll know it doesn't mean anything regarding BC's alignment.
2. Palmar is an Insane cop.
We'll know that BC is town or godfather. Given we know we have at least two millers (presuming WoS is speaking the truth) and a framer, I'd say it's unlikely BC is in fact godfather. I'd be inclined to believe he's town.
3. Palmar is a scum fakeclaiming a red check on WoS.
Basically claiming Paranoid cop, it means the reason for him still being alive is gone and he'll be treated as any other townie would. No reason to spare him anymore, so this'll delay us one day at most.
4. Palmar is a scum fakeclaiming a green check on WoS.
For as long as we'd like, we can force Palmar to give us alignments of any suspect we desire. If at any point the guy flips a different alignment than Palmar said he would, we lynch him.
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I see no reason to lynch Palmar today when we can eliminate two of those four scenario's tomorrow. We lynch him today and we'll be left wondering which of the two scenario's it is. We lynch him tomorrow and we know exactly which one it is.
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Unless you're absolutely certain Palmar is scum (which, by the way, would make BC near confirmed town) there's no reason to lynch him today over tomorrow.
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I haven't seen a jailer claim yet, did I miss something?
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On May 06 2013 18:11 yamato77 wrote:
Are you scum with Palmar, Artanis?
Now I'm going to have to ask you if you're not reading the thread.
On May 06 2013 18:21 Bill Murray wrote:Show nested quote +On May 06 2013 17:08 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
With that I meant that I consider you three pretty strongly town, not that I suspect any of you. Geript because of the marvkill, and Yamato because I really don't see how he could've held this kind of activity and care this much as scum with a scumteam including at least 3 inactives.
I don't like lynching GiggleS at the moment, but I'd be happy to pressure Stutters for a bit. With Palmar I want him to check WoS since if he's insane and not paranoid he'll get a green check on him regardless, so we'll be certain of his alignment presuming it's legit. If he gets red we can always off him then. Why do you see me as town? I realized what you meant, but I know you knew you didn't have to explain that to me. We are pretty much on the same page, from what I have read from you... I didn't really think Drazak was scum, even when I made a weak little case on him - I was just wanting to pressure your slot. That's where you replaced into, right?
Because you're putting new ideas into the thread. We were stuck on Palmar/BC/Hopeless for a while and you brought in new suspects. If you were scum I'd have expected you to not stick your neck out this much. You are trying to figure out the game.
I figured I'd just state that since it seemed like you were giving a read on Yamato and Geript, so I thought you might've misunderstood me.
I replaced into Drazak, yes.
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On May 06 2013 18:23 Bill Murray wrote:Show nested quote +On May 06 2013 17:11 Artanis[Xp] wrote:On May 06 2013 17:09 yamato77 wrote:
If Palmar is scum, he's going to make up whatever he wants to about his check. If he fakes a green check, he's claiming insane so he's going to have to actually make up alignments as he goes along, if any of them flip and aren't what they're supposed to be then it'll implicate him. We can choose for him whom we want him to check. If he's red, we know we can disregard the entire check. not necessarily true considering malfoy could have muffed his earlier checks to have him thinking that, but i don't want to be overgeneral
Fair point. I don't feel like BC was highly contended though and with Clarity and Shiao flying around as low hanging fruit I'd say they were more likely to get framed to make them appear town to checks. I won't discount the option, though.
Show nested quote +On May 06 2013 17:14 yamato77 wrote:On May 06 2013 17:11 Artanis[Xp] wrote:On May 06 2013 17:09 yamato77 wrote:
If Palmar is scum, he's going to make up whatever he wants to about his check. If he fakes a green check, he's claiming insane so he's going to have to actually make up alignments as he goes along, if any of them flip and aren't what they're supposed to be then it'll implicate him. We can choose for him whom we want him to check. If he's red, we know we can disregard the entire check. The problem is, he knows everyone's alignment. So he can just keep "checking" townies to stay alive. I'd rather just lynch him. seems like yamato is bussing palmar here? he says "he knows everyones alignment" like he's 100% perhaps yamato is just scumhunter 2013 champion, though. haha
Yamato gonna yamato.
Show nested quote +On May 06 2013 17:15 Artanis[Xp] wrote:On May 06 2013 17:14 yamato77 wrote:On May 06 2013 17:11 Artanis[Xp] wrote:On May 06 2013 17:09 yamato77 wrote:
If Palmar is scum, he's going to make up whatever he wants to about his check. If he fakes a green check, he's claiming insane so he's going to have to actually make up alignments as he goes along, if any of them flip and aren't what they're supposed to be then it'll implicate him. We can choose for him whom we want him to check. If he's red, we know we can disregard the entire check. The problem is, he knows everyone's alignment. So he can just keep "checking" townies to stay alive. I'd rather just lynch him. We can choose for him whom he has to check. If he refuses, we lynch him. has he checked giygas?
No. I want him to check WoS first though since it'll make 100% sure whether he's insane or paranoid as WoS is either miller or scum. After that, if he gets a green check I'd like to see him check Stutters first, tbh.
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