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On April 27 2013 07:06 BloodyC0bbler wrote:Show nested quote +On April 27 2013 07:04 VisceraEyes wrote:
Ace why are you focusing on the wagons? Why not outlying voters? I recognize i am not ace. However I would hazard a guess its this. By focusing on the wagons and clearing them of the mafia on them you end up with a list of confirmed or semi confirmed players as town. IE it does two things at once.
BC, what do you say to my response?
Since you're obviously here, reading.
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On April 27 2013 07:08 WaveofShadow wrote:
You guys are heading into preflip assumption territory and its not good.
Yeah, they're being bad. Ignore it.
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On April 27 2013 07:10 VisceraEyes wrote:Show nested quote +On April 27 2013 07:08 yamato77 wrote:On April 27 2013 07:08 WaveofShadow wrote:
You guys are heading into preflip assumption territory and its not good. Yeah, they're being bad. Ignore it. You know you're accusing BC of shitting all over town atmosphere yamato. JUST SAYIN.
I'm no longer accusing BC of anything.
I'm just saying, this voting analysis of wagons is inconclusive at best. Mafia vote for mafia, town vote for town, and his list of "confirmed" players may not even be accurate, lol.
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On April 27 2013 07:12 WaveofShadow wrote:Show nested quote +On April 27 2013 07:08 yamato77 wrote:On April 27 2013 07:08 WaveofShadow wrote:
You guys are heading into preflip assumption territory and its not good. Yeah, they're being bad. Ignore it. Well to be fair I didn't exactly agree with your tunneling of VE. Who is your lynch of choice atm? Clarity/Shiao or someone else and why?
Let me filter them and finish rereading the thread.
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On April 27 2013 07:13 Ace wrote:Show nested quote +On April 27 2013 07:02 yamato77 wrote:On April 27 2013 06:59 Ace wrote:
no prob VE. I just think you're on the wrong path with respect to Shiao. But lynching Clarity and viging yamato looks like a real option right now. Why do people act like I should be vigged? If you can't push for my lynch, stop saying dumb bullshit. didnt you promise cases vs BC and VE? if you were town wouldnt you go write them instead of arguing about shit that doesn't matter?
You're not even reading my posts.
Why do people think you're town?
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On April 27 2013 09:28 Ace wrote:
Celtics and Knicks game started so my activity gonna die down. Dont forget about yamato. He is gone once again while we talk about other stuff. Above all else he should be vigi target #1 tonight.
Ugh.
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Honestly, I don't like a Clarity lynch just because he has been gone for so long.
I feel like if he were this AFK, a scumteam would just bus him for the cred.
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That or scum is actively bussing a lurky Shaio
I mean, they're pretty much the same fucking lynch, IMO. Both are lurky, both have done almost nothing this entire game.
I would lynch Clarity over Shiao, but I'd prefer we lynch someone who I can actually be confident is mafia, hah.
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On April 27 2013 12:25 VisceraEyes wrote:
I guess I just wonder who that might be. Palmar has done more to get me lynched than you have if it's me which is pretty pathetic considering the copious amount of dick he's done in general.
Like I said before, this has bothered me most of today.
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On April 27 2013 12:45 Palmar wrote:
I am a butterfly!
Well, it's your birthday, apparently. I can't lynch a guy on his birthday.
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So I kind of re-skimmed the thread and looked over what people have said, finally, and this post by Shiao is quite bad:
On April 27 2013 02:35 ShiaoPi wrote:
Well, that took a lot of time to read.
Not so sure about whom to lynch now with tube getting modkilled (lol btw!). I also have very limited time during the entire weekend, which is obviously gimping me by quite a bit as I while only be able to drop by shortly during the evening/late night before I sleep.
I am currently torn between clarity and VE.
Going with VE for now because I think it is a good idea to sheep Palmar. Go figure.
##vote: VE
If there are no direct questions to me in the next couple of minutes I'll be off to bed until I can come back on tomorrow at about the same time as right now.
Much has been said about this entrance, but it was horrible, for a number of reasons. While it can be reasonably assumed that he is actually busy, the amount of this post used to excuse his own inactivity is mind-blowing.
He has no original thought about the game, and doesn't seem to care about giving us any valid reasons for voting for VE outside of Palmar's lackluster efforts in pushing for the lynch.
And then there's the bolded, his "reaction" to the tube modkill, that sets something off in my head. It seems unnatural and forced to go "(lol btw!)" in the middle of this post.
I'd be happy with lynching him, if we feel we need to consolidate on a lynch. I've advocated playing a waiting game, but I saw it mentioned that we've only really talked about lynching between him/Clarity today, and I agree, so perhaps it is best if we move on.
Another thing I thought to look at was the WHOLE votecount from day 1, not just the Oats wagon:
On April 23 2013 13:25 iamperfection wrote:~~~ Vote Count! ~~~
Oatsmaster: Palmar, kushm4sta, GiygaS, Vivax, raynpelikoneet, kushm4sta, Ace, WaveofShadow,yamato77,VisceraEyes,Palmar,getmoript, Mr. CC (11)
Hopeless1der: Vivax (0)
Bill Murray: raynpelikoneet, VisceraEyes (0)
Getmoript: Mr. Cheesecake, kushm4sta,WaveofShadow (0)
TheRavensName: Sharrant (0)
Raynpelikoneet: Sharrant, Sylencia, Hopeless1der, ObviousOne(3)
Ace: Yamato, Bill Murray (0)
Sharrant: raynpelikoneetClarity_nl (1)
Yamato: kushm4sta, BloodyCobbler, Ace, Grush57, raynpelikoneet, VisceraEyes, ObviousOne, getmoript, Bill Murray, TheRavensName,Oatsmaster (4)
VisceraEyes: Palmar, Yamato (0)
GiygaS: Oatsmaster (0)
Drazek: Bill Murray (1)
Remember, this Day ends when a majority is reached. As soon as a majority is reached, please stop posting until the Night Post has been posted. Only votes in the voting thread will be counted! The voting thread can be found here: (link)
With 25 alive it takes 13 votes to lynch.
There are some changes to this:
On April 23 2013 15:54 Bill Murray wrote:
##unvote drazak
##vote: yamato
On April 23 2013 21:39 Hopeless1der wrote:
##Unvote: raynpelikoneet
##Vote: Oatsmaster
On April 23 2013 23:30 yamato77 wrote:
##Unvote Oatsmaster
##Vote VisceraEyes
On April 23 2013 23:57 yamato77 wrote:
##Unvote VE
##Vote BloodyCobbler
On April 23 2013 23:58 Sylencia wrote:
##Unvote
##Vote Oats
On April 24 2013 00:13 ShiaoPi wrote:
##vote: Oatsmaster
So the votecount itself is somewhat difficult to analyse, seeing as most people were either on me or Oats, but the people on Rayn do seem out of place, and it is even more weird that two of them managed to get themselves on to Oats before his lynch; Sylencia and Hopeless.
Also note that Shiao's only vote of the whole day was the hammer on Oats. And people want to say that it isn't scummy? Yeah, no.
But as before, there were multiple vote changes inbetween, and they are worth looking into. To begin why did Sylencia decide to change to Oats?
On April 23 2013 23:58 Sylencia wrote:Oats is the vote for me. Case from Vivax + aftermath between yamato vs Oats has convinced me more to taking down Oats. The thing that was holding me back most was that my primary scum suspect (rayn) was on Oats fairly early on. However: Show nested quote +On April 23 2013 22:36 Vivax wrote:
Whatever, you're at L-1, dead. If you're town you shouldn't jumping around hysterically, but tell us who we should look at after your flip.
TRN, if you want to have yamato lynched instead of Oats, it's not my job to find arguments for you. I'd want to have Oats lynched first. Given that Oats never actually provided anything for us in terms of reads afterwards and posted crap about being green and telling people to push others. If he has nothing to say either: a) He's playing as the bad townie b) He's withholding that info from us to stop us from gaining more than we need from the lynch. Either case is bad for town, so that's why I'm willing to go down on Oats. ##Unvote
##Vote Oats
Seems more of a case for voting for "bad town" than scum, which seems like a slip of a scum mindset, in my opinion. Why? Because it is something I run into as scum, how to formulate a read on a town player and call them scum so I can vote for them. Most of the time, it is "bad town" that get mislynched, so the difference becomes vague. Justifying a vote by saying that someone is "bad for town" is an easy scum out, because town players can and will be anti-town on many occasions. Yet this is Sylencia's mindset, and how he justifies the vote on Oats. Just from this voting analysis, I feel he might be mafia.
I have yet to analyse his filter in totality, but given this, I will definitely give it a look.
On April 23 2013 21:39 Hopeless1der wrote:
Vivax where did your unofficial count come from it looks wonky...
in any case, this should be L-1 on Oats
##Unvote: raynpelikoneet
##Vote: Oatsmaster
Hopeless.
+ Show Spoiler +
Anyway, this is Wonder's SECOND EVER mention of Oatsmaster, and the first one where he gives any inclination of thinking him mafia. AMAZING! HOW DID HE REACH THIS SECRET CONCLUSION?!?!?!
On April 23 2013 22:37 Hopeless1der wrote:Show nested quote +On April 23 2013 21:42 Oatsmaster wrote:On April 23 2013 21:22 Vivax wrote:
Me and ace are basically the only ones asking people to switch to Oats, others say "can do", others say it looks like a policy, or try to push other cases.
If this was a wagon on a townie, scum could be pushing it easily at this point.
Why didn't any of this happen yet? There's resistance here. Again, worst reasoning ever. Cause im town. Yeah. Hopeless. Why am I scum? I think you're too trolly in the face of dieing to be town. I'm not even certain you have a scum read on anyone at all. You've provided next to nothing. A shitty list post where your strongest scum read is "well someone has to be scum, why not Ace". gtfo.
Wow. I'm not saying this is totally regurgitation of other people's arguments, but it is. This also come AFTER his vote, where he's fully aware that he's putting Oats one vote away from lynch. And then guess what happens...
I unvote (temporarily delaying the lynch), Sylencia manages to vote AND:
On April 24 2013 00:14 ShiaoPi wrote:
Aaand off he goes
##vote: Oatsmaster
The hammer!
This all happens within the span of ~2 hours, mind you, when I'm screaming at the thread not to lynch Oats. Say what you want about me, but all three of these votes are particularly HORRID, and all of them are either switches off Rayn (a wagon that seems inherently scummy, in that people that switched off it didn't seem to change their read on him much) or the player's first vote of the game.
Is there a chance they are town? Sure. I'd probably say Sylencia has the most chance to be town, since when compared to the other two, his vote looks the MOST explained, despite the fishy nature of the post. The other two, however, give very little indication that they think Oats is mafia before they vote, and the hammer in particular looks like TEXTBOOK MAFIA trying to find a good reason to just lynch a town.
Notably, I did something JUST like this day 1 of British Empire 1 (also instant majority), where I fabricated suspicion of a town-created wagon on a town player and managed to hammer him for the lynch. Only this is even worse, and more obvious, because they didn't even manage to look like they thought about it before obviously putting Oats in danger of, and actually being lynch.
That's VCA done right, bros. And from it, I find the willingness to lynch the fuck out of Shiapi, because this is bullshit. No matter how much post-hoc justification he gives, there is only mafia motivation to be seen in what he has done.
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Vick Ace for obvious on clarity
proceed to win game
GG
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On April 28 2013 06:37 Sharrant wrote:Show nested quote +On April 28 2013 06:35 yamato77 wrote:
Vick Ace for obvious on clarity
proceed to win game
GG What are you even saying?
Vigi Ace for obvibus on Clarity
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On April 28 2013 07:05 Sharrant wrote:
Yamato, do you have any desire whatsoever to lynch Ace?
Lots of desire, very serious.
Will talk at length later, not at home.
Viging me is fine, since I will flip town and people will stop being dumb about what I say anyway.
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It's very likely scum bussed Clarity today, and I would wager it was at a point when it became obvious he wasn't coming back anyway. Why just let a second mafia get modkilled when you can bus him for today's lynch and profit from it instead?
By no means do I believe this flip eliminates the possibility that anyone who voted for Clarity is mafia. As before, I will continue to judge people not for WHAT they did, as anyone can do anything, but for HOW and WHY they did it.
I suggest most of you do the same before running off the cliff with your association cases, a la Boardwalk lategame.
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Also, I'll take my look at Ace some time tonight. I have a few things to do before I get to his filter, and none of them involve mafia.
If you think me calling him mafia is a "scum claim", I think you're sorely mistaken.
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Hopeless, want to talk about your vote on Oats D1 that I pointed out?
Looks pretty bad.
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Why do people want to lynch me?
Because Ace is a dumbass?
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And by dumbass, I mean he keeps telling people I'm mafia without a case.
I guess I have to show you guys just how much he is actually not trustworthy to get you to realize.
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Ace, if you're town, you seriously need your head examined if you're just going to throw shit at me the whole game while never substantiating your claims.
I'm very undecided on how I should view your continued lack of effort in this department, because you seem more than willing to talk about ANYTHING but analysis of my alignment, which I have repeatedly asked for from you and you have repeatedly ignored.
I literally can't get past this roadblock in my mind, so you need to step it up.
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