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On April 30 2013 05:52 ObviousOne wrote:
I want to look at Rayn who we are guessing was the 3P kill, right? After I tear up this subflooring. Night ends in about 10 hours iirc.
CC I could totes be mafia godfather. If ShiaoPi flips mafia then I have been doing exactly what I did in my scum game last time: bus like a mofo. Sadly it matches the optimal town strat of killing all the mafia. So I must lol again and hope my filter speaks town to you!
I don't like this OO. I mentioned this somewhat during the action last night and Palmar and yamato both agreed that it's more likely Grush was the 3p kill:
On April 29 2013 11:02 WaveofShadow wrote:
Why the fuck WAS grush killed last night? Actually I know. Inconspicuous 3rd party target, unlikely to be a threat to 3rd party or scum so just an easy town numbers reduction for 3rd party. Rayn was for sure the scum target.
Aaaaaanyway, gonna look into Sylencia myself.
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On April 30 2013 06:02 Ace wrote:Show nested quote +On April 30 2013 05:55 Stutters695 wrote:On April 30 2013 05:35 Ace wrote:On April 30 2013 05:26 BloodyC0bbler wrote:
Something tells me based on what im reading I would be yelling as much as you Ace -_- Palmar has a guilty on you tho - thoughts? @stutters: what exactly are you referring to is being based on assumptions and should be done another way? I'm in my phone now so can't pull the exact quote but I remembered a detailed post about how people on the oats &ships wagons probably had a scum among them. Then your posts about cop claims and what they mean is all dependanrt on assumptions and thus could just be conjecture to appear active without giving out as much as you would with your earlier play which felt more solid to me. Since I'm a prime vig target and could easily die before or with Shiao i felt it worth bringing up because you're clearly able to pull off such a play. you have to start with some assumptions and go back to read each cops' posts. I dont see what else you expect us to do to figure this out - just take every claim at face value? You are like 4 days late with the Oats wagon analysis. It's been done to death and generally accepted by now. When you get off your phone just point out where the assumptions dont hold up and if it hasn't already been addressed I'll be here to talk about it.
It's pretty simple isn't it? If Shiao and Clarity both scum then any wagon analysis you did comparing the Shiao/Oats wagons when you did are useless.
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On April 30 2013 06:02 ObviousOne wrote:Show nested quote +On April 30 2013 06:01 WaveofShadow wrote:On April 30 2013 05:52 ObviousOne wrote:
I want to look at Rayn who we are guessing was the 3P kill, right? After I tear up this subflooring. Night ends in about 10 hours iirc.
CC I could totes be mafia godfather. If ShiaoPi flips mafia then I have been doing exactly what I did in my scum game last time: bus like a mofo. Sadly it matches the optimal town strat of killing all the mafia. So I must lol again and hope my filter speaks town to you! I don't like this OO. I mentioned this somewhat during the action last night and Palmar and yamato both agreed that it's more likely Grush was the 3p kill: On April 29 2013 11:02 WaveofShadow wrote:
Why the fuck WAS grush killed last night? Actually I know. Inconspicuous 3rd party target, unlikely to be a threat to 3rd party or scum so just an easy town numbers reduction for 3rd party. Rayn was for sure the scum target.
Aaaaaanyway, gonna look into Sylencia myself. Was it grush they decided? Then there will be less info from that =[
Why, OO?
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On April 30 2013 06:22 GiygaS wrote:Show nested quote +On April 30 2013 06:07 Ace wrote:On April 30 2013 06:04 WaveofShadow wrote:On April 30 2013 06:02 Ace wrote:On April 30 2013 05:55 Stutters695 wrote:On April 30 2013 05:35 Ace wrote:On April 30 2013 05:26 BloodyC0bbler wrote:
Something tells me based on what im reading I would be yelling as much as you Ace -_- Palmar has a guilty on you tho - thoughts? @stutters: what exactly are you referring to is being based on assumptions and should be done another way? I'm in my phone now so can't pull the exact quote but I remembered a detailed post about how people on the oats &ships wagons probably had a scum among them. Then your posts about cop claims and what they mean is all dependanrt on assumptions and thus could just be conjecture to appear active without giving out as much as you would with your earlier play which felt more solid to me. Since I'm a prime vig target and could easily die before or with Shiao i felt it worth bringing up because you're clearly able to pull off such a play. you have to start with some assumptions and go back to read each cops' posts. I dont see what else you expect us to do to figure this out - just take every claim at face value? You are like 4 days late with the Oats wagon analysis. It's been done to death and generally accepted by now. When you get off your phone just point out where the assumptions dont hold up and if it hasn't already been addressed I'll be here to talk about it. It's pretty simple isn't it? If Shiao and Clarity both scum then any wagon analysis you did comparing the Shiao/Oats wagons when you did are useless. we already said shiao could still be scum. We covered this like 20 times - go back and read it. Shioa WAS on the Oats wagon. Thats how we brought him up in the first place. It came down to which of the 2 was more likely Scum - Clarity or Shiao? Clarity flipped Vigilante Scum. Shiao is still alive and was on the wagon. Multiple players on the wagon are also still alive. Hence, the analysis holds. read it carefully. But Shiao wasn't on the wagon, he voted VE, not clarity.
Not to mention we already provided extremely valid reasons why 'sacrificing' Clarity over Shiao made sense at the time; Clarity was about to modkilled anyway. Easier to eliminate a useless scumplayer on your team and gain cred than to eliminate someone who mght actually play the game.
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Ace................................
did you just slip, my dear?
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Ace, you compared the D1 and D2 wagons though in the middle of Day 2.
Was Shiao on the Clarity wagon at any point during the day?
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On April 30 2013 06:27 Ace wrote:Show nested quote +On April 30 2013 06:26 GiygaS wrote:
Anyway, on Ace:
Acted disinterested on day 1, and I still think what he said was a contradiction. His day 1 was anti-town. Since then, he's been a pro-town force. For his day 1, I still think he's 3p (not scum) for his day 1, but he could easily be town as well. Definitely not worth a lynch or vig at this point when we have the whole triple cop claim caper going on. what did I do anti-town Day 1? can you point this stuff out? !wos: what slip? im not scum I cant slip
No you didn't slip, you just phrased your sentence very oddly.
Now I still don't understand your point though. I'm going to go find your post.
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On April 25 2013 14:16 Ace wrote:
Ok so check this out from my notes.
We know Oats was a Town mislynch. The person who started the case was Vivax who also flipped Town. We know this wasn't a Scum started lynch but with a hammer of 13, I doubt it's possible that 0 Scum were on Oats' wagon. This is the list order:
Oatsmaster: Palmar, kushm4sta, GiygaS, Vivax, raynpelikoneet, kushm4sta, Ace, WaveofShadow,yamato77,VisceraEyes,Palmar,getmoript, Mr. CC, Hopeless1der, Sylencia, ShiaoPi
I'm going to remove myself and Vivax obviously. Ignore rayne for now because of his activity levels, and clearly yourself.
Oatsmaster: Palmar, kushm4sta, GiygaS, kushm4sta, WaveofShadow,yamato77,VisceraEyes,Palmar, Mr. CC, Hopeless1der, Sylencia, ShiaoPi
Almost this entire remaining list is full of low activity players. I highly doubt out of all remaining 11 names here not 1 is Scum and I think this is where we should start paying attention. A townie is getting lynched and just too many people that lurk are on here and not all of them can be Town. It also just so happens that VE and ShiaoPi are on this list too. With vigis waking up tonight I'm all for them clearing out the lurkers on this voting list, while we potentially lynch from here. Of course one suspect (Clarity) isn't here but we can discuss that too.
Thoughts?
You're talking about this post I assume?
I'm talking about THIS one.
On April 27 2013 06:51 Ace wrote:Show nested quote +On April 27 2013 06:34 VisceraEyes wrote:
That's a possibility. It's also a possibility that he was instructed NOT to vote for Clarity. Who the fuck knows or cares. I think Shiao is a better lynch out of the two, personally, so that's where my vote is. I care and it is a pretty big deal. Just putting the pieces together: 1.)Not reading the thread which terrible Scum and terrible Town both do 2.) this is also in response to rayn: Shaio's reads are pure sheeping. He clearly wants to get rid of VE even though him and Palmar have done the same thing. Possible Scum motive too. There is a problem tho. 3.) If 2 is true - then why not push for VE to die even more? there is no big sentiment for VE dying so why would he attach himself to this?If he's Scum why not take the easier path and get rid of clarity? Doing this also saves his own ass. I can see a townie not reading the thread and not aware of the danger making this mistake, but a Scum player who has teammates? i doubt it unless the Scum team is absurdly dumb. 4.) The little tube comment is a small point in his favor. could be WIFOM but we also gave you credit for that too. 5.) This is the biggest issue here: Oatsmaster: Palmar, kushm4sta, GiygaS, Vivax, raynpelikoneet, kushm4sta, Ace, WaveofShadow,yamato77,VisceraEyes,Palmar,getmoript, Mr. CC, Hopeless1der, Sylencia, ShiaoPi from the other day. ShiaoPi (7): VisceraEyes, Ace, kushm4sta, yamato77, GiygaS, Mr. Cheesecake, WaveofShadow, Stutters695, getmoript, Visceraeyes, raynpelikoneet, Hopeless1derfrom today. Removing you, myself,rayne and getmoript from previous discussion about the Oats list look at that overlap. A confirmed Town death list and Six names pop up that coincide with both lists at some point. Look at clarity's list: Clarity_nl (4): Sharrant, Ace, Bill Murray, raynpelikoneet, ObviousOne,GiygaS, grush The only names that hit both lists are myself, rayne, and gigyas. I came off, and rayne is Town in my eyes right now. gigyas is the only non-unique name to both lists. What's the coincidence that this happens? Clairty's voting list looks far more legit relative to ShaioPi's wagon when both are matched vs the Oats' list. ShiaoPi is most likely Town at this point.
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You spend the entire rest of that night derailing the Shiao lynch and use this vote count analysis as evidence.
If Shiao turns out to be scum that's an awful lot of effort you put into derailing a correct train of thought, and also trying to implicate people who are on both vote trains at the same time.
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Call it a pre-association case if you want; you don't necessarily have to lend credence to it yet, but as I mentioned if Shiao goes down red you're in a lot of trouble, my friend since new evidence you couldn't have accounted for in terms of the cop checks washes away all of your points declaring his innocence.
He still looks objectively scummy for his attitude, his lack of reads AND reading, and his thread presence. The checks, as someone put it earlier, are the icing on the cake.
We shall see where tomorrow takes us.
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On April 30 2013 06:38 Ace wrote:Show nested quote +On April 30 2013 06:35 WaveofShadow wrote:
You spend the entire rest of that night derailing the Shiao lynch and use this vote count analysis as evidence.
If Shiao turns out to be scum that's an awful lot of effort you put into derailing a correct train of thought, and also trying to implicate people who are on both vote trains at the same time. I derailed it because I thought he had a better chance of being town than Clarity- who did flip Scum. We also acnknowledged that yes BOTH could be scum. The vote count analysis IS evidence: If shiao flips scum it holds. I dont see what your point here is. Especially with clarity flipping Scum Vigilante - why would I save Shiao over him and drop Scum KP by 2 that night? whatever you're getting at doesnt hold up
You don't read, do you?
On April 30 2013 06:25 WaveofShadow wrote:Show nested quote +On April 30 2013 06:22 GiygaS wrote:On April 30 2013 06:07 Ace wrote:On April 30 2013 06:04 WaveofShadow wrote:On April 30 2013 06:02 Ace wrote:On April 30 2013 05:55 Stutters695 wrote:On April 30 2013 05:35 Ace wrote:On April 30 2013 05:26 BloodyC0bbler wrote:
Something tells me based on what im reading I would be yelling as much as you Ace -_- Palmar has a guilty on you tho - thoughts? @stutters: what exactly are you referring to is being based on assumptions and should be done another way? I'm in my phone now so can't pull the exact quote but I remembered a detailed post about how people on the oats &ships wagons probably had a scum among them. Then your posts about cop claims and what they mean is all dependanrt on assumptions and thus could just be conjecture to appear active without giving out as much as you would with your earlier play which felt more solid to me. Since I'm a prime vig target and could easily die before or with Shiao i felt it worth bringing up because you're clearly able to pull off such a play. you have to start with some assumptions and go back to read each cops' posts. I dont see what else you expect us to do to figure this out - just take every claim at face value? You are like 4 days late with the Oats wagon analysis. It's been done to death and generally accepted by now. When you get off your phone just point out where the assumptions dont hold up and if it hasn't already been addressed I'll be here to talk about it. It's pretty simple isn't it? If Shiao and Clarity both scum then any wagon analysis you did comparing the Shiao/Oats wagons when you did are useless. we already said shiao could still be scum. We covered this like 20 times - go back and read it. Shioa WAS on the Oats wagon. Thats how we brought him up in the first place. It came down to which of the 2 was more likely Scum - Clarity or Shiao? Clarity flipped Vigilante Scum. Shiao is still alive and was on the wagon. Multiple players on the wagon are also still alive. Hence, the analysis holds. read it carefully. But Shiao wasn't on the wagon, he voted VE, not clarity. Not to mention we already provided extremely valid reasons why 'sacrificing' Clarity over Shiao made sense at the time; Clarity was about to modkilled anyway. Easier to eliminate a useless scumplayer on your team and gain cred than to eliminate someone who mght actually play the game.
That was brought up DAYS ago, and multiple times as well. The elimination of scum KP is not a point for people who voted for Clarity.
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On April 30 2013 06:42 Ace wrote:
In trouble for what? lynching 1 scum and not the other? are you seriously this slow?
quickly: How did clarity and ShiaoPi get brought up?
Go ahead and tell me how they got brought up, my computer is slow.
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Also I love how you're misdirecting right now and calling me names rather than address the points I'm bringing up.
It's obvious that I'm referring to your specific derailing of the Shiao lynch to get Clarity, a likely modkill, lynched, not the fact that you killed one of possibly 2 scum. Killing scum is great, but it's HOW you went about it that worries me.
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Oh you pushed both Clarity and Shiao?
Hmm.
On April 27 2013 06:51 Ace wrote:Show nested quote +On April 27 2013 06:34 VisceraEyes wrote:
That's a possibility. It's also a possibility that he was instructed NOT to vote for Clarity. Who the fuck knows or cares. I think Shiao is a better lynch out of the two, personally, so that's where my vote is. I care and it is a pretty big deal. Just putting the pieces together: 1.)Not reading the thread which terrible Scum and terrible Town both do 2.) this is also in response to rayn: Shaio's reads are pure sheeping. He clearly wants to get rid of VE even though him and Palmar have done the same thing. Possible Scum motive too. There is a problem tho. 3.) If 2 is true - then why not push for VE to die even more? there is no big sentiment for VE dying so why would he attach himself to this?If he's Scum why not take the easier path and get rid of clarity? Doing this also saves his own ass. I can see a townie not reading the thread and not aware of the danger making this mistake, but a Scum player who has teammates? i doubt it unless the Scum team is absurdly dumb. 4.) The little tube comment is a small point in his favor. could be WIFOM but we also gave you credit for that too. 5.) This is the biggest issue here: Oatsmaster: Palmar, kushm4sta, GiygaS, Vivax, raynpelikoneet, kushm4sta, Ace, WaveofShadow,yamato77,VisceraEyes,Palmar,getmoript, Mr. CC, Hopeless1der, Sylencia, ShiaoPi from the other day. ShiaoPi (7): VisceraEyes, Ace, kushm4sta, yamato77, GiygaS, Mr. Cheesecake, WaveofShadow, Stutters695, getmoript, Visceraeyes, raynpelikoneet, Hopeless1derfrom today. Removing you, myself,rayne and getmoript from previous discussion about the Oats list look at that overlap. A confirmed Town death list and Six names pop up that coincide with both lists at some point. Look at clarity's list: Clarity_nl (4): Sharrant, Ace, Bill Murray, raynpelikoneet, ObviousOne,GiygaS, grush The only names that hit both lists are myself, rayne, and gigyas. I came off, and rayne is Town in my eyes right now. gigyas is the only non-unique name to both lists. What's the coincidence that this happens? Clairty's voting list looks far more legit relative to ShaioPi's wagon when both are matched vs the Oats' list. ShiaoPi is most likely Town at this point.
On April 27 2013 07:23 Ace wrote:Show nested quote +On April 27 2013 07:16 WaveofShadow wrote:On April 27 2013 07:13 VisceraEyes wrote:On April 27 2013 07:12 yamato77 wrote:On April 27 2013 07:10 VisceraEyes wrote:On April 27 2013 07:08 yamato77 wrote:On April 27 2013 07:08 WaveofShadow wrote:
You guys are heading into preflip assumption territory and its not good. Yeah, they're being bad. Ignore it. You know you're accusing BC of shitting all over town atmosphere yamato. JUST SAYIN. I'm no longer accusing BC of anything. I'm just saying, this voting analysis of wagons is inconclusive at best. Mafia vote for mafia, town vote for town, and his list of "confirmed" players may not even be accurate, lol. Ugh this is like exactly the problem I have with the approach as well. :/ And this is why I asked Ace my question earlier. I want to find out what he thinks it means specifically, otherwise it just looks like a derailing attempt. yea I am trying to derail the wagon. A wagon I helped start and now realize may be flawed. Respond to the scenarios I made instead of blanket statements. You guys want to lynch Shiao so like I did - assume he is Scum. Look at the list of events that happened and see how a Scum Shiao fits in. I'm not only using voting wagons as I outlined the Palmar sheeping too. From both angels, added in with Sharrant's case on Clarity ShiaoPi is a weaker lynch. He's just clueless townie.
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On April 30 2013 06:48 Sharrant wrote:Show nested quote +On April 30 2013 06:45 VisceraEyes wrote:
I think I'ma check Ace tonight instead. What do you think guys? I think that's a terrible idea. I'm 100% sure Ace is town. Check to confirm the other claims.
I agree with this. Not the 100% town part, but the rest. 
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Be back a little later tonight.
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I'm going to bed cause fucking exhausted. Might be able to post tomorrow during the day.
Random q cause I can't seem to get my mind around all this shit. What if one of the dts doesn't check who we tell them or lies? Will we know for sure if they lie? Do we lynch them then?
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Not-so-random thought: Ace is 3p poisoner.
Explains 1 death tonight and my suspicions toward him last night. For the record I've never thought Ace is mafia; that's more or less impossible. 3p entirely possible.
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On April 30 2013 23:43 ShiaoPi wrote:
yo guys,
kill gigyas, stutters and VE thats the scum team and kush or the cobbler are 3rd party....
Lol when Shiao flips red I'm certain this was meant to try to cover up a scumbuddy. My bets are on giggles.
Oh and to clarify, I think there was only one death last night because Ace was rbed the night before so no poison kill. VE seems a likely enough target on that night (N2) since he was looking towny then already and 3p didn't risk hitting mafia and 3p doesn't want to let town get too strong so again VE a good target.
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I want to hammer so badly but at this point its anti-town since we have tons of time to discuss. I guess when people feel they're ready to end the day let me (or someone who hasn't voted) know?
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