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On May 06 2013 01:36 Hopeless1der wrote: You'll note the stagnating day. Some might attribute that to it being the weekend. Others to general apathy. I'd partially attribute it to the fact that scum neither want to push my lynch nor suggest another. What are you guys waiting for exactly? If you think im scum hurry up and lynch me already so you can actually start playing the game again. I'd guess at 5 people who essentially showed up strictly to vote me and fucked off. They can't all be scum, so this game is very trivial right now until you start looking into these questionable actions. I need to speak to Palmar before I even think about lynching someone today. Once I have a little chat with him, I'll decide if I want you lynched today, or if there's someone more deserving. | ||
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On May 06 2013 02:12 Palmar wrote: What's up sharrant? Haven't got much time. Hey, just wanted to know who you checked last night, and what your result was. | ||
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Perfect. Thank you. | ||
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Sorry for the triple post, but one last question. Did you lie about checking Obvious One? | ||
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On May 06 2013 02:14 Palmar wrote: nope, I actually checked him. Awesome, you're the man. Bigger post incoming in a bit. | ||
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Palmar's first night he claims a role block. I have no reason not to believe this. Pretty sure this was the town roleblock from night one, he seemed quite townie (At least to me) going into night 1. Attempts to check BC. A reasonable check, BC is a veteran player, who was relatively null in the eyes of most people. Read as slightly townie to me, but I can understand seeing the opposite in him. All in all, it was a good, logical play to check BC. Palmar's second night is again taken up by a check on BC, but this time he's not roleblocked. Palmar puffs up his chest, and makes a big show of how he's going to engage BC in a duel to the death, eventually getting bored and just claiming cop with only a single check and no idea of his sanity. This does nothing but cause chaos, confusion, and is a terrible play that makes no sense. Palmar's third night is taken up by the check on OO. He gets another guilty check (we know now for sure that ObviousOne is town and not miller). VE was roleblocked when he attempted to check Palmar. He mentions at this point the possibility that he may be Paranoid or Insane. Checking OO is a poor choice however. OO is already confirmed green by Sylencia's flip and VE's parity check. What reason could a cop have for checking a confirmed green when his options for sanity are paranoid or insane. Both would yield the same result. He should have checked Ace, or someone likely to be scum. Again, his play is not logical, and he wastes his check in a terrible way. Palmar's fourth night is taken up by a check on VE. VE died that night. He checks a second confirmed innocent and gets guilty, but this time claims the only option is that he's paranoid. How does that make any sense? Unless BC flips red, or he checks someone that does flip red, it's entirely possible he's insane. In fact, he only has one unnacounted for flip on someone that seems pretty townie still. On May 02 2013 04:10 Palmar wrote: checked VE, got guilty, am paranoid He has absolutely no way to know that, evidence is entirely inconclusive, and it's entirely reasonable, if not probable, for him to be insane. This however could have been a good move as a townie unsure of his own sanity, but who had already claimed. Hope the mafia doesn't read into it, and you get one more check and hopefully find scum with it. Instead we get this: There's a bunch more, but I don't think it needs to be said. I was hoping someone else would catch this and be able to pick up on the hints, but oh well. Palmar is either playing the absolute worst town game he has ever played in his life or he's scum. And after Boardwalk I have too much respect for you to believe you would forget you were masoned, botch your claim so hard, and never realize that your sanity was still in question. Ace was right, and I should have listened to him then. Your claim is fake. ##Vote: Palmar | ||
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On May 06 2013 03:20 Artanis[Xp] wrote: Additional note: With the first sentence, I meant that your case is good. Also Why the fuck aren't you helping to figure this game out? Regardless of your alignment you're playing an atrocious game. Step it up. Do you think he's fake claiming cop, or do you think he is a cop? | ||
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On May 06 2013 03:34 Artanis[Xp] wrote: I don't know. But what worries me is that even if it's a fakeclaim and he's scum, why would he say he didn't check anyone? He could've said he checked Hopeless or whoever and got red. There's no risk in that and it'd 'prove' he's paranoid and that his check means nothing. I think most townies that find out they're a paranoid cop would stop checking. Palmar's mistake was thinking he'd proved himself paranoid when he was obviously not. Secondly, he's likely worried about how it would assosciate or disassosciate himself with his scum partner. He's not sure how town would react to another red check if he flips. "Oh, BC and Hopeless were both 'checked' by him? They must be town." "Oh, his last 'check' before he flipped was on Yamato? Probably trying to buy credit for his scum buddy". He can't accurately predict towns seperate personalities and thought processes, so chooses the easiest way out that won't implicate anyone if he ever flips. | ||
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On May 06 2013 03:35 Palmar wrote: Lol sharrant is correct. It's entirely possible I'm insane Man I'm bad There's a part of me that's hoping so hard that that's all this is. | ||
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On May 06 2013 03:50 Palmar wrote: Also, now that it's very possible I'm insane it's a much better idea to lynch me in a few days than now. Either scum takea the free mislynch then, and thus risks me being insane, or thwy shoot me and solve the problem for you I kind of hate this, because I'm now waffling about lynching you today. I do think you need to die unless we lynch scum the next two nights, and I'm sure you can understand that you're going to have to be lynched regardless of your alignment. The idea of leaving you alive into the night phase is a very tempting one. If nothing else, let's chat about what's left in this game so that whenever you flip we've got some more information to go on. What do you think about Artanis asking the jailer to claim? | ||
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He brings up a legitimate point, and that's what sparks your interest in him as mafia? I disagree about the double stacking, but it's perfectly possible they hit Ace on night one. Mafia players obviously had no traction on day 2, how could they swing the lynch onto him? Besides, what if the jailer is Geript? We'd lose a confirmed townie just to play the wifom game some more on night actions from day one. | ||
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On May 06 2013 04:42 yamato77 wrote: Because the jailer claim has nothing to do with who scum shot, it has to do with who they jailed. He's obviously not even paying close attention to the thread. And no, it's not a WIFOM game. You're being bad by suggesting it is. Scum jailed a townie night one, and we can figure out who that is if the town jailer claims. The fact that it's one of BC/Palmar is fucking invaluable information. Stop trying to argue against this. There's no need to bring insults into this. I completely disagree with you outright eliminating the idea that a scum claimed roleblock and they didn't use it on night one. But let's say that they 100% absolutely did jail one of Palmar or BC. It's incredibly doubtful to me that we lose that information if the jailer dies. Any decent jailer will either have left a decent breadcrum or, you know, you could read their filter and look for which one of those two was a strong town read for the jailer after their death. Or analyze the thread leading up to that point. Like I've said before, I'd say that Palmar was jailed by town because he looked pretty townie coming out of day one, whereas BC only looked a little townie. All things being equal, it's more likely BC was the one the scum jailed, or was the scum that claimed role block. And ignoring all of that still, you've said a few times you're pretty sure you know who the jailer is. Just pretend you know who it is, read their filter, and decide if it matches up with one of those two being jailed on night one, and which one it matches up with. You've even got the later roleblocks of Ace to give you clues as to who the first town role block was. Contribute to what's going on instead of just hounding on our jail keeper to give up his life to satisfy your curiousity. I just don't follow on why you'd want lynch to Ace to free up the role blocker to then have the role blocker kill himself? | ||
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On May 06 2013 05:01 getmoript wrote: Sharrant, what do you think of my analysis of Ace's play. Do you find it completely consistent with BC/WoS scum team? It's certainly believeable. My biggest issue is that I believed that ShiaoPi wasn't scum after Clarity flipped, and I could see the same thing from Ace's perspective. I'll read more in his filter, and see if there's anything I can gleam from it. I like that you made the case, if you're sure about it, I want to see you make it stick. Analyze BC and WoS and let me know what you come up with. I'm not particularly looking at BC right now, but WoS certainly has my attention. | ||
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On May 06 2013 09:56 GiygaS wrote: God damnit, looking through on kush (who I thought was uber disinterested mafia) makes me suspect yamato which would invalidate my read on Hopeless! This is confusing  This is the post that really got me (kush pointed this out before me): Soft defense on the two scum that were up for lynching makes yamato look really bad. This case was rejected by Ace (who was probably pushing mafia agenda at this point to avoid being the last non-town left), but advocated by BC and praised by VE. This post is then ignored for the rest of the game. I sort of want to go through Yamato's filter now and see what's up, but at the very least I'm unvoting from Hopeless until I figure this out. I think the most damning thing about this, is actually how he defends ShiaoPi. Look at ShiaoPi's filter, especially when he hammered. Does that in any way speak to you of a guy who is too caught up in the game "emotionally"? I'm quite happy with a Yamato lynch. Make sure you leave us all your reads on the way out. | ||
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On May 06 2013 10:18 yamato77 wrote: Also, I'm beginning to rethink my townread of Sharrant. That vote is scummy as fuck. Please show me exactly where ShiaoPi was overcome with excitement in his filter. Show me where there's even a hint of emotion. | ||
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On May 06 2013 10:22 kushm4sta wrote: dont be dumb. sharrant is hella town. Also that quote from yamato soft defending shit.. yeah that looks bad but I think it was just a coincidence of retardation. I mean it's almost such an obvious soft defense of scum that scum wouldn't even do it like that. Know what I mean? too scummy to be scum type thing. I absolutely don't believe in too scummy to be scum, especially when the premise is based on something that isn't there. There is no excitement in ShiaoPi's play, especially not near the hammer. His hammer sounds like someone who is bored out of his head. | ||
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On May 06 2013 10:29 yamato77 wrote: All I'm gaining from this game is that if you troll day one, you'll never live it down. 20 pages of filter and more analysis of this game than all of you, yet I'm still getting called mafia. It might also have to do with the fact that of the three lynches you pushed on day 1/2, 2 flipped town. Your first list of scum is 3 town, 1 unflipped and 1 3rd party, and that you have a soft defense of two scum thrown in for good measure. I'll grant you that there's some redeeming qualities in your filter, but there's a reason you're going to keep coming up as a lynch prospect in this game. We're not lynching BC today, and we're not lynching Palmar. I want both of them alive for at least another night. There's no way they're both scum, so let's find the one, possibly two that are outside of them. | ||
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On May 06 2013 10:44 WaveofShadow wrote: We're not? The vote count would appear to say otherwise currently. I doubt you're getting yamato lynched today; I'm certainly not voting for him. Is he honestly at L-2 right now? And yes, we are not lynching BC today. If I have to stop the wagon on him, I will. And I will not be happy about it. | ||
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On May 06 2013 10:54 WaveofShadow wrote: Uh...if you are saying that you have a way to do so, then you probably should if you don't want him lynched....though I'm thinking maybe you already did. He's at L-2, as long as the rest of the people that come into the thread think about things, there's no reason to do anything to defend him right now. I'll try something different here. Yamato: I am telling you that your own analysis will tell you, in the end, that BC is not scum if you stick to what you've said. Now talk to me about two people that would be scum if BC were as good as confirmed town. | ||
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