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On April 04 2013 13:05 yamato77 wrote: I kind of like the idea of town "assigning" certain roles to people. I think most of town should be able to agree on 1-2 decent townreads to deny mafia roles with. It's also very hard for mafia to BE a top townread of an entire thread, so there's that. It does depend somewhat on picking order, and people's compliance with this plan, however. We don't know ho effective it could be, our townreads might be at the bottom of the list where it is too late to make a REAL difference, and the top of the list is all lurkers/null reads. Lettuce ask a very simple question here. How does one assign a role to a player who could conceivably pick at any spot? | ||
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On April 04 2013 13:05 Sharrant wrote: There are 3 roles that can copy or misdirect powers, one is thief and it's already in my list of powers we need to deny. Another is role swapper, and that's not nearly as powerful, and it is entirely possible that it would just act as an extended role block if we can determine who the role swapper is right away. Framer is concerning because it can direct actions, but at worst it means that they get one of the denied roles for as long as the framer can stay alive and untouched by town actions. The "sheer number" of roles that can steal copy or redirect is exactly 3. 1 of which I say we should deny, another very weak, only one is a credible threat to town in my plan supposing they pick it. There are several other roles that can cause problems for people who roleclaim, and you would do very well to think about that. You also have not noticed one of the most dangerous combinations in this game that prevents plans like the one you have. | ||
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On April 04 2013 13:33 Sharrant wrote: I'm interested to hear this combination. I can see many ways that scum would be able to kill a player knowing their role. Yes, having an extractor AND BloodyCobbler would net them 1 kill per cycle extra. But that's for 2 roles, as opposed to having an assassin and saying "green" every single time and getting 1 kill per cycle extra for only a single role. Now, there are combinations I haven't mentioned because I didn't want to give anyone ideas, if you're thinking of anything involving the politician, there's a good chance I've thought of that as well, there are ways to stop that. But if you think there's something that is specifically of horrendous consequence for this plan, please do elaborate. If this plan is bad I would like you to change my mind, otherwise I would like to change yours. I'm going to bed now, if I get bored I might wander back and read more, but that's doubtful. Good night, everyone. I hope you're all as excited for the draft as I am. As far as I know, that's not how assassin works. It requires the person to either say "Red" or their role name. I'd rather not share what the combination is, as it's a bit unusual and I doubt if anyone on mafia will be easily able to figure it out. But the fact that I was able to think of it definitely means that someone else might also recognize it. | ||
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How the hell am I below mocsta. | ||
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On April 05 2013 11:37 gonzaw wrote: Depends I have some other shit to do now, on top of figuring out what other role to get that's not boring as fuck or turns me into VT Want to talk to me about your "hidden gut scumread"? | ||
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On April 05 2013 11:51 gonzaw wrote: Patience my little birds, patience. There was little content this drafting phase, I have to wait a little bit to see how this person picks his game up when it starts to matter and how he does it. It's also a gut feeling in some way, so I have to develop it a little bit better. Also, chose my role S&B you can get the inventor I guess goddamit > : ( Is it strongandbig? | ||
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On April 06 2013 00:56 VisceraEyes wrote: I just woke up and I have a fucking crazy idea. What if everyone who picks KP roles promises not to use them? I was looking at the role list and it seems that scum KP is fixed at 1? So it seems like scum will be focusing on trying to increase their KP (in a game this size). What if we all just don't use KP roles and lynch the fucking piss out of anyone who does? I mean obviously scum aren't going to claim if/when they do, but if we can get townies into the KP roles this would be a really good way to try and limit mafia KP. ^Mafia He's either not reading the thread at all or he's trying to fake a contribution as the idea that he brings up is one that has been repeated by a bunch of other players and is crap anyway. Additionally, VisceraEyes is known for taking ridiculous shots himself and doing whatever he feels like as town so it's very out of character for him to suggest that these types of players should be auto-lynched. | ||
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##Vote VisceraEyes strongandbig also looks very likely to be mafia. In particular the fact that he considered the number picking strategy to be extremely important but then failed to provide any original thoughts is very suspect. He also seemed very concerned in his pregame posts about roles but didn't provide any insight about them after the game started. | ||
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I've already talked about VE earlier, and he has not done anything since then to change my mind. You don't consider telling people to lynch him refusing to play? | ||
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On April 07 2013 06:40 Vivax wrote: No, two scum won't pick the same numbers ever. It's valuable information. Unless you can give rational explanation you have no argument and only want to keep us in the dark. In Pick Your Power Insane, three mafia all picked the same first number. It's not a valid argument. | ||
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On April 07 2013 07:16 Vivax wrote: Shelvocke what do you dislike about VE's case? Can you tell me your draft pick? A lot of the points that he came up with, especially the "lol list scum" and the part about explaining why denying isn't a good strategy have nothing to do with Order's alignment and it appears as if he threw them in solely to inflate his post and make it look as if he is doing something. | ||
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On April 07 2013 11:43 austinmcc wrote: I'm actually really digging that Shelvocke read. Yes, most of the posts are worthless, but the VE vote feels weak as well. VE isn't reading/is faking a contribution. This can be scummy, but at this point in the game there are A LOT of players who fit that criteria. The second bit, VE being...hypocritical because he often is ridiculous and is suggesting people not be ridiculous is just dumb. I'm often an idiot. I don't suggest other people are. Some players are confusing/lurky, they don't suggest that other people be confusing/lurky. Heck, the VE personality in Personality 2 just poked at VE's claiming, which, if anything, should reinforce the idea that VE might not recommend to others that they play how he has in certain past games. Half that two sentence read is just...badwrong. The other half is true of a number of players, with no reason given why VE is singled out. It's not about VE not recommending how he plays to others. I would understand if he just said the "hold off on kp". It's about the fact that he takes an aspect of play that is much more associated with town players (being rash with KP) and something that he does himself so frequently and says that these players should be auto-lynched. He should be well aware that town players are the ones who fall into stuff like that after being lynched himself so much for things like that. I don't see any town motivations behind his attitude there. | ||
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On April 07 2013 15:00 Keirathi wrote: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=402424&user=27448¤tpage=All I don't really think rayn is mafia. His play does look different from those town quotes you had, but it doesn't look like that mafia game either. The only part of that game where he just suddenly jumps is the part where he votes for Krefla and even then he has a reason because Krefla just came in right before the deadline. The fact that he seems a lot more impulsive in this game than he has been before is something that points to him being town. I feel he would be a lot more careful and safe as mafia. The plan switch looks kind of strange, but his overall attitude makes him more likely town. | ||
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On April 07 2013 15:44 Mocsta wrote: Thank you. so impulsive is then defined as: in response to others; rather than in creating new ideas. I dont see what is townie about that. Scum can be equally impulsive in regards to thread sentiment. However, I dont particularly care about the action itself: do you think his motives for "jumping around" is founded upon processing new information to update the conclusion? I get what you're saying, but I've never seen a new mafia player be so crazy. I don't really understand the reasons for some of the stuff he does but it seems to me that he sees one post and then just makes up his mind based on that. Usually new mafia are much more safe and concerned about their appearance. It's possible he's some kind of mafia gosu but frankly that's not the impression I get from him. | ||
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On April 08 2013 08:02 austinmcc wrote: Nope. I think you're the towniest mofo here. Wait, that's wrong. My point is that I think you're mafia. You're following thread by mainly providing minor comments on side issues. I dislike your reason for thinking VE is mafia, but you put it in thread, and me disagreeing with your analysis doesn't make you mafia. But you vote him without saying anything about what he said or anyone said about him over a 24 hour period, while reading thread enough to comment on snb and to say later that VE was asking to be lynched. Your scumread, your vote, seems less important to you than he should be, because instead of commenting on him over that 24 hour period you comment on snb. Your read on snb is fluffy. No posts. No follow-up. Poking gonzaw earlier about snb, so apparently you've been somewhat focused on snb, but two dinky little lines are all you've got about snb? Not buying. Right now I AM tunneling you. I'll address that later. Here, since you're around: (1) Do you continue to to find snb scummy? Can you give me less-fluffy reasons for that read? (2) Do you agree with Gonzaw that you were discussed/suspicified earlier in the game/moreso than Artanis was? If you don't, does that affect your Gonzaw read? (3) How do you feel about any two of the following: mocsta, keirathi, sinani? 1. I'm leaning mafia. I have no way of knowing whether he's actually busy or not so I'm just disregarding that part. He definitely looks more concerned about what's going on right now but I get the impression when I read that larger post of his that he is kind of just going through the motions; he picks out a bunch of random posts and just drops a short remark on them. It doesn't feel natural. 2. I have no idea and I don't care about this. 3. Mocsta and Keirathi both look town to me. I don't think they're correct about rayn but they seemed to legitimately believe that he was mafia. | ||
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On April 08 2013 09:56 raynpelikoneet wrote: No. I want to know why Shelvocke thinks i'm town. Read my filter: + Show Spoiler + On April 07 2013 15:33 Shelvocke wrote: I don't really think rayn is mafia. His play does look different from those town quotes you had, but it doesn't look like that mafia game either. The only part of that game where he just suddenly jumps is the part where he votes for Krefla and even then he has a reason because Krefla just came in right before the deadline. The fact that he seems a lot more impulsive in this game than he has been before is something that points to him being town. I feel he would be a lot more careful and safe as mafia. The plan switch looks kind of strange, but his overall attitude makes him more likely town. On April 07 2013 15:52 Shelvocke wrote: I get what you're saying, but I've never seen a new mafia player be so crazy. I don't really understand the reasons for some of the stuff he does but it seems to me that he sees one post and then just makes up his mind based on that. Usually new mafia are much more safe and concerned about their appearance. It's possible he's some kind of mafia gosu but frankly that's not the impression I get from him. Something about this situation really strikes me the wrong way. There was still plenty of time left in the day and an Artanis lynch was nowhere certain. Like shooting gonzaw pretty much guarantees an Artanis lynch and I can't think of a good reason for mafia to do that if Artanis is mafia. I'm rereading the thread right now. Not entirely sure who to kill right now, but it's not Artanis. ##Unvote | ||
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On April 08 2013 12:33 yamato77 wrote: Now we definitely kill the Artanis. On April 08 2013 13:13 yamato77 wrote: It doesn't matter what killed him, it matters why. Gonzaw was killed because he was obviously town and people were forming around him. What did he advocate? Killing artanis. Let's murder him. | ||
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Did you shoot gonzaw, yamato? | ||
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On April 09 2013 03:53 Keirathi wrote: With geript claiming that NRA was taken already b spot 6, VE is a valid option for having chosen it (Shelvocke too, since he's obviously a smurf of someone who is at least familiar with older games). What? | ||
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On April 09 2013 12:13 yamato77 wrote: Why did you say that I shot gonzaw? Still have yet to justify that. Because you didn't have any uncertainty after the shot, you just went straight for saying this definitely means we need to kill artanis. | ||
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On August 24 2012 02:03 VisceraEyes wrote: What in the...was that shot not claimed AGAIN? Scum must really be getting desperate. Was that a blue flip? It looked like it, but everything has been colored blue so I wanted to make sure... I'm down with a Wiggles lynch guys. BC died trying to get Wiggles lynched, and I think we should oblige him. ##Vote: Wiggles On August 28 2012 05:54 VisceraEyes wrote: I killed BC. Would scum tell you that? | ||
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![[image loading]](http://content.internetvideoarchive.com/content/photos/164/000692_40.jpg) I talk with my guns. ##Kill Meapak_Ziph | ||
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On April 10 2013 12:25 Bill Murray wrote: I killed Caller btw Why? | ||
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 He came back and didn't give any reads or say anything of value, even though he thought he was going to die. ##Vote Meapak_Ziph | ||
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On April 10 2013 14:41 ObviousOne wrote: What? Dude sounded like he was about to have an aneurism and had to step away. He probably can't even sleep at this point if he went to try. No, Meapak is normally active during this time. Think about reactions. What's a town player's first reaction when they know they're going to die? They try to spill everything they can think of, all their reads, who to lynch, who they think is town. Meapak didn't do that. Instead he was just like oh I'm going to die. He didn't want to give up any information. | ||
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http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=18251526 Did you read MZ after that? http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=18251819 | ||
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On April 10 2013 17:37 Keirathi wrote:+ Show Spoiler + Also, as an aside: Pretty sure Sharrant is scum. Look at these posts: On April 07 2013 06:43 Sharrant wrote: Hi, Viscera. I'm pretty much null on your actions, so I want you to help me. Now, the reason I'm null on you is because I know I can't read you. Last game we played I thought I had a slam dunk case on you, and you were town. Now I might be reaching with this, but I want you to help me talk about Keirathi. See, just a short while ago there was talk about why Keirathi was scum, I think there're some really valid points in there. And I think a few others saw it too, but then suddenly the town was dragged off of this and into a spammy little brawl focused on antogonizing you and painting you as scum. Maybe you're scum, maybe you're not, but the way the thread has turned suggests to me you're not. This feels more to me like you're getting attacked the same way that caused Marvellosity to explode when he was town in a recent game. So I want you to talk to me about Keirathi, who after being called out has dissapeared after the cases on him, and I just want your opinion on Rayne because frankly I'm not quite sure how to read him. Do you think this could be mafia Keirathi's team trying to drag the town away from him after he got caught by causing a spammy mess on day 1? Do you think this is more likely town getting in an argument that is not indicative of Keirathi's alignment? And then your opinion on Keirathi himself and Rayne would be great., thank you. In the pre-game. I think he was actually trying here to do what he claimed was happening with me. I think he was trying to draw attention away from VE and give VE and out by pushing sentiment back towards me. On April 08 2013 09:46 Sharrant wrote: Well, I can't think of anyone who commented on my Keirathi case, but here's an update for no one. + Show Spoiler + He's off my scum list after these posts. They look much more like his town games. In his scum games he's more political in his posts. In his two scum games he's had disagreements but always contested things conservatively, compared to his town games like Red where he called bullshit twenty or so times on the first day. On April 07 2013 14:57 Keirathi wrote: EBWOP: Oh, what the fuck. Explain the bolded. Because it sounds like made up bullshit. On April 07 2013 15:28 Keirathi wrote: So go look at his filters from past games. Dismissing a meta read because you're too lazy to look at the meta yourself is just...wtfboggle. And my point wasn't that he was just pushing a plan to get himself high in the draft order. Yes, a townie could do that too. What I don't think a townie would do is specifically say that one plan was undeniably the best plan for town, the immediately flip flop on it and say that its a bad plan now, just because a new plan came up that benefits himself more. He's putting himself above the town as a whole; suddenly and for not much reason. (Which I also contend is completely different from what town rayn just did last game.) On April 08 2013 07:54 Keirathi wrote: @rayn: good, you're back First: ##Unvote Now, let's talk a bit: What are you defending here? WHY are you defensive? I didn't call you out for lurking/not contributing/whatever. Weird opening statement. You're right to an extent. I said that I hadn't read your scum meta. But everything about your play has been so glaringly different from the way you JUST played as town. Why? "Because the game is different" isn't an excuse for thinking and behaving completely differently. You didn't specifically call it dumb. I was...paraphrasing, a bit. And that post you just linked came before the post where I said you were calling geript's plan dumb, which is even weirder. Let's look at the progression, exactly: Then: geript's plan was exactly that: the people in the first 4 slots (aka pod, in this case) would be limited to a certain pod of picks. You said that was unarguably the best plan for town. Then changed your mind and are saying it's a bad plan. That's what I was getting at, here. Ugh, I hate this kind of excuse. "No one else was doing anything, so I refuse to do anything too!" YOU were the one saying that the top picks needed some kind of cooperation. Why didn't you try to get any? You just got your top pick, and buggered off. It's not my job to find out why you spew out bullshit reads with no explanation. The onus is on you to explain yourself. But again, that isn't even my point AT ALL. My entire point was that the way you are acquiring those reads is entirely inconsistent with how you acquired reads in Red Team. In Red Team, you saw something you didn't like, and either made a case right there, or you started poking and prodding at the person, questioning them and their motives. This game you just drop a name. Why so different? Again, missed the whole point. You said that the top picks needed to be cooperative with picking powerful roles/denying scum roles. But didn't try to cooperate at all with the top picks once the draft order came out. I already addressed that. No, trying to get yourself in a top pick isn't scummy, in itself. Rapidly changing your mind to a plan that benefits you more, personally, than town, and then refusing to back up your opinions on cooperating with the other top picks is scummy, though. I'm looking forward to seeing what you contribute today, though. Hopefully you can change my mind. ##Unvote: Keirathi Regarding Artanis I'm going to do some more reading tonight, but he has some posts that I find quite townie. I think they show that he is trying to contribute, as well as a clear thought process in attempting to help the town determine what is best in the draft phase. Gives critical input on a plan as opposed to negative input, and has his first iteration of a plan: Everyone pick as discretely as possible. Again giving critical input and creating a new plan, or at the very least a new iteration in Yamato's plan. Brings up his idea again, stating he believes it's an improvement to the plan, and again is applying critical thinking about the picking strategies that others are proposing. I don't see this as "hiding in set up speculation" I see this as someone applying critical thought as to how the town can start the game off with the most advantageous, and start the mafia off with the least. He takes criticism on his plan well, says he'll take time to think about it. To me it reads really townie,especially because of a later post where he brings up that the route town was going had no accountability. His posts to me show the thought process of someone trying to min/max the drafting system, and follows a plausible planning process. As I said earlier, I'll take a further look into him, and read the cases more thoroughly, but to me he reads as at least decently townie. I'm going to post this now, I'll be reading and writing for a (hopefully) larger post, so if anyone else is going to be on for a bit, let's chat about someone, I'll even let you pick who. Deflecting away from Artanis. On April 08 2013 11:21 Sharrant wrote: @StrongandBig Hi! I'll try and give you a sort of stream of consciousness on this one, and hopefully that will actually help me figure out where I stand on him. I've read through his filter a few times and I always notice things that send me in opposite directions on his alignment. + Show Spoiler + On April 05 2013 13:25 ObviousOne wrote: Okay duders, raid night is over. Going for a quick re-read of the past half day after I post this since I've been tabbing out to catch what I could during down time. First impressions: I saw that Oats is/was under some suspicion (just going from memory, don't recall if it was talked out or not) but Oats is Oats; he's a bit all over the place but I don't see the same intent to shut things down that someone mentioned earlier. He was just as loud and all-over in RED. Null still. RO seems to want to be more helpful than I remember him being as scum in LX, not feeling what you guys that are suspicious of him are feeling there, either. Got my eye on Rayn at the moment. His style was spammy but usually constructive (at least in telling us what he was thinking) and I've got none of that after the first couple pages of his filter. Ten one-liners in a row or something, doesn't match up to his standard attacking pattern from RED. The attacks there were thought-out, here they mostly look like casual accusations perhaps fishing for reactions? The only points he has going for him is that he's absolutely confused about what is going on regarding the draft process: Rayn, if you are serious about RO being scum then lay if out for me in one clean concise post, and if you are not, who are you most suspicious of right now? Or are you just drunk again? Other stuff: Most of the chat was about planning how to set up the top spots to get roles protected, is that still a thing? I'm spot 2 somehow, and I was thinking about taking America because America, fuck yeah! Is that going to make me a Pariah or something? Girls just wanna have fun, you know? I'll use it as a second lynch like was suggested yesterday or I can just sit on it if you guys are paranoid about it. Going back for that re-read and making some coffee. See you in a bit when I'm finished with that. PS: Seriously guys, the spam, cut it out, I decided to avoid large games because of the sheer volume of posts so please be less liberal with one-liners, thank you! This post felt very airy, it certainly felt to me like a post that was primarily summation. There are some good questions in there, but there's no hard stances. The closest he comes to that is that he says he's got his eye on Rayn, but then never specifically says he was scummy. Points out he doesn't give fit his previous town meta, but then he gives him an out on it anyways saying that he might be fishing for reactions. I actually noticed something that really has me leaning towards scum on him now. He makes 2 posts specifically stating for people not to spam, and has several posts insulting BM for making small spammy posts with no content. I read this as townie when I first skimmed through his filter, but looking at it again There's something very wrong. + Show Spoiler + On April 05 2013 13:25 ObviousOne wrote:. PS: Seriously guys, the spam, cut it out, I decided to avoid large games because of the sheer volume of posts so please be less liberal with one-liners, thank you! On April 06 2013 13:26 ObviousOne wrote: ... Bill we went over this about the spamming -- you've got ~14 posts on this page alone. Summarize your VE meta and compare it to this game and show me how he's so definitively town. In one post. Look at his posts: + Show Spoiler + On April 06 2013 10:03 ObviousOne wrote: I'll indulge your soft town claim for a moment and simply ask you why your list contains 9 people. If you can justify all 9 in some way at least we'll know whether or not you're talking the breeze with these myriad suspicions. On April 06 2013 10:03 ObviousOne wrote: EBWOP: Oops, looks like I miscounted, make that 10. On April 06 2013 10:08 ObviousOne wrote: If I've misread it please tell me how. It won't be the first time. I spent like 24 hours in Fruity misreading every little thing so just straighten me out instead of spitting in my face, thx. On April 06 2013 11:28 ObviousOne wrote: WTF are all these random ass reads BM? Is this what you always do? On April 06 2013 11:38 ObviousOne wrote: RIGHT ABOUT WHAT PLEASE TYPE MORE JESUS FUCK On April 06 2013 13:26 ObviousOne wrote: ... Bill we went over this about the spamming -- you've got ~14 posts on this page alone. Summarize your VE meta and compare it to this game and show me how he's so definitively town. In one post. On April 06 2013 13:29 ObviousOne wrote: Okay I'm laughing my ass off at this but really, three dot points or something. Substance, please. Who do you want to lynch D1? On April 06 2013 13:52 ObviousOne wrote: ... not sure what to make of this but way to leave yourself open to accusations of a scum slip. Wow that's really bad looking. On April 06 2013 13:57 ObviousOne wrote: So do you know who is mafia or are you saying AustinMCC is a town read of yours? ALL of those posts were one after another. They're spread out over 4 hours, but it's 11 posts that are almost entirely one liners, some without even any text. Yet he was saying don't spam, make good quality posts. Why wasn't he doing that too? + Show Spoiler + On April 08 2013 08:24 ObviousOne wrote: Also sorry to dine and dash but my cousin wants to hang out, back in a few hours if I manage to be wakeful when I get home. Oh, gotta vote too. On April 08 2013 09:58 ObviousOne wrote: Bored Walk Empire Mafiyawn: Pull Your Pud =[ On April 08 2013 10:25 ObviousOne wrote: Undertaker 21-0 GG no RE On April 08 2013 10:46 ObviousOne wrote: Mocsta. I love you dearly. Please make paragraphs. Or I'll Do This Just To Explain Why It's Annoying And Difficult To Read. On April 08 2013 10:52 ObviousOne wrote: @Mocsta <3 never change Look at all the spam there. And the kicker, Straight up saying to spam. Call it a joke, or whatever, but that kind of conflicting mindset isn't townie. ##vote: ObviousOne You can't stay in line with your own thinking at all, I think that's because you're scum. Chainsaw Artanis. But I think this is the kicker: On April 08 2013 12:45 Sharrant wrote: I'm pretty much 100% sure that that was an assassin kill. Gonzaw pretty much gave away his role earlier when he was figuring that he could withhold his shot today and have any possibility of surviving until the next day and being able to shoot. This makes Sinani look worse for fishing for his role now that it is fairly likely that scum have an assassin. It is possible that he was day vigi'd, but that is much much less likely in my opinion. This was almost immediately after the gonzaw shot. At the time, Mocsta and I (and maybe a few others), were floundering a bit about what role killed gonzaw. In strolls Sharrant being 100% sure it was an assassin kill (and remember, he's been hard defending the actual assassin). Keep reading a bit after that and see how the rest of the conversation went down. He tried to flip it to make Mocsta scummy, and he seemed to have put an extraordinary amount of thought into gonzaw being Jack before he flipped for a "townie". So yea, Sharrant is scum. And with that, I sleeps. G'nite! I agree with most of this post. I'm voting for Sharrant. It's worth noting that Sharrant seemed very interested early on in with making plans but has become much less involved as the game has gone, which is typical for mafia and especially in this kind of situation, where multiple mafia have died really quickly. Also if you aren't voting for Meapak, you really need to reconsider. Meapak was convinced I had shot him, came back, and chose to say nothing. As town, you want to be open right before you die. As mafia, you try not to leak any information or give out who might be your teammate. It really doesn't get much easier than this. | ||
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On April 12 2013 05:24 strongandbig wrote: Shelvocke, can you explain why you decided to pick Showtime! It's the only role I get a bonus for that's actually not bad. Kind of nice to know if it's there or not in the game also. And I had a pretty low slot so I didn't think I could get anything good. Trying to decide between ObviousOne and Vivax right now. If there's a green check on MZ, I guess that clears him. | ||
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##Vote Oatsmaster Oatsmaster: I don't think he's trying to find mafia. I'm too lazy to copy posts from the qt, but it's pretty much just MZ (and RO to a lesser extent) giving reasons and making points and asking Oats "town or scum" and oats will reply with a meaningless one-liner. He doesn't make any effort to say anything productive of his own. It's not what I expect from a town player who took a mason role. Also nobody should be voting for yamato today. The fact that keirathi was killed last night is a strong indication that the last mafia member has to fear a cop check. As someone with a green check already on him, yamato doesn't have any reason to fear a cop. | ||
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On April 16 2013 13:13 Mocsta wrote: The guy with no check is cancel if I recall. We really need vivax to share his check. Shevlocke, any reason you didn't share this first opinion yesterday? I also don't like your conclusion with kei being shot for being DT. He was also a town contributor. So this jump to high DT value whilst interesting is too black/white for my liking. Because it was night. I told you the important part. It shouldn't be too hard for you to draw conclusions from that. As for the Keirathi shot, it's just simple logic. Is it the only possible explanation? No, but it's the one that makes best sense to me. Keirathi spent the latter part of the day saying that he wished he was dead and defending himself. That's not someone you expect mafia to shoot. | ||
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On April 16 2013 13:33 Mocsta wrote: Cool. That I understand. So why shoot kei over vivax then? Both are alignment cops. Your second para indicates vivax is top read. The first para indicates oats? In case their is a traitor, I think it would be ideal to only vote 1 person Vivax is very likely mafia lol. And if he's not, he's like the number one mislynch. No mafia player would shoot him. You can't no-lynch in this setup. Look at the OP - it's a plurality lynching system. On April 16 2013 13:39 Mocsta wrote: BTW. Cancel = dandel Damn auto correct. I meant, restraining order has no check.. So he is the one that fears kei? Restraining is pretty much guaranteed as not mafia based on VE's case. VE is a prolific busser, but this is not the way he does it. | ||
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I'm still voting for Vivax and Oatsmaster. Do whatever the hell you want. | ||
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You can see that I have my votes on two players? Lynch them. That's all you need to do. | ||
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On April 18 2013 12:28 gonzaw wrote: Why would he concede when you had pinned yamato and sinani as mafia because BM put them apart in similar intervals in his post or stuff like that? If he wasn't SO LAZY he would have won to be honest. Like....if he had tried to appear active and contribute and call people out and post stupid speculation he could have gotten to LYLO It wasn't about laziness. I was just incredibly busy during most of this game. I don't remember what my skype password is, so Artanis can share the skype logs if he has them. mafia qt: http://www.quicktopic.com/50/H/BZgPPac7S43T7 | ||
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