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Um sure u can give a 1 word alignment to someone YOU wrote a case about.
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If u can reply to a 10,000word case on u. Um sure u can give a 1 word alignment to someone YOU wrote a case about. | ||
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U r right. Ur response was fine, it indeed made a effort to address each point. Its why I have no requirement to question u further. Its simple. The retort to gonzaw case was written from a scummy viewpoint. Its obvious u put in effort. Unfortunately u couldn't remove yourself from the Mafia mindset. Ur retort makes it clear u are doing things for town cred and are fully aware of how ur actions are perceived. But in general the whole tone taken for the defence is of a guy with inherent guilt. I'm going to bed. Will re read the exchange in the morning. But I'm pretty sure I'm going to get the same vibe. That u so scummy. Nite | ||
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On April 07 2013 22:57 Artanis[Xp] wrote: It's not black and white Mocsta. I think what you said is scummy, yes, but I'd need to read up again before I can say something more founded. I don't think Geript is scum at this point. Thnx for the qualifier. I just asked for yes or no. Do u always like to leave an option open? | ||
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(1) I really like Rayns response. The conveyed town has a very town confidence in it. Its not "over played". (2) I still want more from SnB. But his response is enough for me not to consider him further this cycle. (3) Oats is starting to really cross the line for me from town -> null; possibly approaching slightly leaning scum. He has been nothing but disruptive; continuously cock-blocking scum hunting, to then throw a blanket "Vivax is scum" statement. The below is not a case; I just want to hear opinions on whether I am taking this interaction personally, or whether it indeed conflicts. + Show Spoiler [Oats issues] + Exhibit A On April 07 2013 16:40 Oatsmaster wrote: Gonzaw you understand what I mean by GUT READ? (it means I felt that he was town reading the thread.) I agree that artanis looks scummy. I still want to lynch Vivax though, Im way more familar with his play and this does not feel like his town play. Also he is scummy!?!?! (so wishywashy right?  )Oats stance is clear: Thinks Artanis looks scummy; and then still wants to push the unfounded Vivax lynch. Exhibit B On April 07 2013 20:54 Oatsmaster wrote: Lol just read Artanis' reply. MTG was a 9 player mini bro. Scum dont bus each other They dont. On April 07 2013 22:09 Oatsmaster wrote: Artanis do you have reads? defending yourself is fine and all but I prefer reads. To me its ambiguous how deep Oats finds Artanis scummy. The tone seems jovial; however, the words express suspicion. I find this interaction just weird overall. If i haphazard a guess; I would stick with the Exhibit A read: i.e. he finds him scummy. Exhibit C On April 07 2013 23:21 Oatsmaster wrote: *About Artanis[Xp]* Rid yourself of the fucking confirmation bias you have. You do the whole part about 'looking' townie as town too. To get influence to push your reads? Hmm? He is saying, I am confirmation biased for pushing Artanis as scum ?!?! Lets go back to Exhibit A please: "I agree that artanis looks scummy." This is quite a bizarre statement. Even in conjunction with Exhibit B, there is not enough doubt from Oats regarding Artanis alignment to suddenly think he is a town read. Even if he is making this post to attack my character; and not actually comment on this thoughts on Artanis.. what is the point regardless? Im pushing someone, he admitted he thinks looks scummy. I can't fathom what he is trying to achieve other than a "cock-block" by making that post. Exhibit D On April 08 2013 01:01 Oatsmaster wrote: why do you care about the numbers Vivax? Work for the scum that cant find work? On April 08 2013 03:46 Oatsmaster wrote: Vivax why do you need to explain a simple thing like 'Why are you voting for your scumreads scumread?' Its not that hard, Is it? Or are you avoiding talking about anything else? This is Oats addressing his #1 scumspect that has reentered the thread. To me: this doesnt read as a person critically challenging his scum target. Now those that know Oats, knows 90% of his questions are useless and have no actual purpose; so I wont hold this interaction against him. The problem is the follow exhibit. Exhibit E On April 08 2013 04:55 Oatsmaster wrote: Im up for a lynch. ANY LYNCH prefer vivax. Artanis works ##Vote: Artanis He says he prefers Vivax (which is fine follow through).. yet bandwagons on Artanis? LIke WTF? It hasnt even been clear Oats is a staunch supporter of the artanis wagon; yet, now jumps on. This is after Exhibit C, where he tries to ridicule me for being the first supporter (after Gonzaw) on the Artanis wagon? Now that I got Oats out of my system. I am going to re-read the filters of Artanis // Shevlocke // AustinMCC Gonzaw and the Day Vig Whether the ability is true or not; I would not recommend shooting today - unless you think you are a valid NK target (and can not fire at night). If you had to shoot someone today; I wouldnt bother for a hard scum read. Why? Because we are capable of lynching "on the radar" targets; and controversial Day 1 firm reads, can often be mislynches. (Artanis isnt controversial.. the goods are solid) Hence, I recommend to take out a low contribution lurker that we dont expect to interact much with the thread. Suitable candidates thus far: Sinani - Rank 4 Sharrant - Rank 12 perhaps Yamato - Rank 23 Ppl like Deconduo/Palmar/BillMurray/Caller etc I expect to become more cooperative as the game progresses. Yamato is a funny category for me: hes done nothing since the draft picks were announced; and I dont know if the guy is just busy in real life // pissed off about the lack of draft submission // or thinks he can lurk his way whilst others take the stage for shitting the thread. Sharrant is a guy that everyone mislynched in "Normal Mini Mafia 4" for providing opposition to thread senitment. So I would read his filter carefully before proceeding. Sinani has offered nothing to date, and with his BM vig request throw in, I think is the best opportunity for a day vig - if you had to go that way. | ||
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Do you think I was chasing you for funsies the other day? I dont think you scum anymore.. i just think your bad town But conviction was there, and I think Shevlocke comment was fair (regarding me at least) | ||
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On April 08 2013 09:06 Palmar wrote: I still think VE is scum. Disengaged VE has almost always been scum. I have only seen VE disengaged as scum when he has had what he deems a good case brought forth against him. e.g. Hydra Mini 1. I liked Geript case a lot; hit many of the right notes.. but it came so early into Day1, I thought a scum VE would have been able to wriggle out without giving up. At least in Hydra, he gave up Day2? + since when are we advocating activity for validity of a lynch? Palmar, you know this best... Do i need to remind you of nomination mafia. On February 10 2013 11:58 Mocsta wrote: palmar So you are motivated enough to actively lurk and respond when mentioned. But not motivated enough to provide your own highly regarded thoughts and reads? If as a townie u keep saying "tis OK. Lynch me" why bother to respond in the first place? Fact: I can't confirm/deny if your motivations are low. What I do know is that this setup allows for a pro town townie to NEVER be lynched or killed. I still don't get why highly regarded players (such as yourself and others) have not stepped up. This nomination mechanic is better than bodyguards. Hence i find it is peculiar it is not being taken advantage of... On February 10 2013 21:36 Palmar wrote: My previous games have nothing to do with how I play this game and active lurking is not a scumtell unless you apply it correctly, those are just some future pointers for you in mafia. Now; I dont read the above as a attempt to correctly apply active lurking as a scumtell for VE. In particular because what I called you out for in Nomination; I feel some applies to VE potentially. P.S. you were town that game. Perhaps, I am wrong; but this is where you can come in to enlighten me pl0x | ||
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On April 08 2013 09:31 gonzaw wrote: Also I dunno why but after Obvious reading ALL of Artanis games and concluding the same thing as I do....it makes me feel better about my Artanis read >_> Because the meta read was pretty fucking good. Actually almost too slick.. im shocked that games from 2010/2012 can be presented as eligible material for a meta read. Regardless; reinforced post 3000 very well. | ||
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On April 08 2013 09:42 yamato77 wrote: Let's lynch Artanis. The fact that the lynch has met resistance and people are arguing about other cases that are "scummier" is a good thing. I love information. OO's analysis of his meta is decent, and coupled with gonzaw's case, I could see Artanus as scum. As for who to vig, it should obviously be sinani. If you read his filter, he posts opportunistically, and generally has little to say. One post in particular I called out as being especially horrible, the one where he gives his "thoughts" on the lynch candidates and is null on three out of four. I was scum with him in Red Team's Prize, and he's acting similar to that game, here his posting in the thread is quiet and not forceful. His "push" of BM as a vig shot is also terrible, because I actually have him down as likely town. As for myself, since people seem to think I need to contribute more, meh. I gave the game the start I wanted and I have some decent town reads out of that, so as far as continuing a high level of activity, I don't feel that it's necessary. I'm doing my own scum hunting, and I make myself known throughout the day on where I'm at. If I drop off the face of the planet, feel free to shoot/lynch me, but I'm not going to be hyperactive in these games anymore. OK. I can accept this Yamato. I also like we both came to the same conclusion with Sinani. I get you dont want to be a thread leader/presence. No worries. But if you are scum hunting on your own; I would still would like to see you interact more with your scum reads. e.g. I dont believe you have tried to interact with Palmar, since your case. | ||
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On April 08 2013 09:46 austinmcc wrote: I went through your case and told you a couple reasons I was townie on him. Scum can look active proposing plans, and not pushing anything hard, but I think that the particular plan that artanis mentioned and pushed was very anti-scum, and he could have posted a different plan/joined someone else's plan if he were scum and wanted to look active. Disagree. The plan itself was pro-town; but not how he went about campaigning it. There is a distinct lack of conviction. For some reason you are choosing to judge him from his actions; not his motivations. A town AustinMCC is better than this. I also find the timing on his geript stuff to be townie. Push him, leave, come back, actually re-read his stuff and change your read at the very very start of the game. No need to do that. No real scum purpose in doing that. Makes the geript bit look like a legitimate read that he then reconsidered later. Honestly that's a lot of the reason I don't like him for scum. Disagree; the case reads as if he saw my scum slip comment to Geript as an opportunity to make a case on a widely acknowledged lynch-bait candidate. I'll take a look at British but probably tomorrow while at work. Poking around elsewhere tonight. No need. OO makes a very good synopsis. You want a TL;DR, check out OO last post. Still disagree with you on Shelvocke. I think he HAS posted a lot of fluff. I think a lot of his reads are unsubstantiated and don't feel real (No snb posts, not following up on VE, see the recent bit with rayn/mocsta/keirathi where he just makes this weird comment and that's it with no real reference to WHY he thinks what he says he thinks or what posts make him think what he says he thinks). And how is any of this different to Artanis list post?Last night, I said to Artanis... town scum hunt under pressure; not contribute by making posts. Artanis replied he would provide scum hunting evidence later. That list of ppl being voting; is certainly not scum hunting to its finest, or most passionate. | ||
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On April 08 2013 09:46 Sharrant wrote: Mate, thats why I thought Artanis[Xp] was town originally in the game. But reads are subject to change; and the actions post-hoc are not townie.+ Show Spoiler + Well, I can't think of anyone who commented on my Keirathi case, but here's an update for no one. + Show Spoiler + He's off my scum list after these posts. They look much more like his town games. In his scum games he's more political in his posts. In his two scum games he's had disagreements but always contested things conservatively, compared to his town games like Red where he called bullshit twenty or so times on the first day. On April 07 2013 14:57 Keirathi wrote: EBWOP: Oh, what the fuck. Explain the bolded. Because it sounds like made up bullshit. On April 07 2013 15:28 Keirathi wrote: So go look at his filters from past games. Dismissing a meta read because you're too lazy to look at the meta yourself is just...wtfboggle. And my point wasn't that he was just pushing a plan to get himself high in the draft order. Yes, a townie could do that too. What I don't think a townie would do is specifically say that one plan was undeniably the best plan for town, the immediately flip flop on it and say that its a bad plan now, just because a new plan came up that benefits himself more. He's putting himself above the town as a whole; suddenly and for not much reason. (Which I also contend is completely different from what town rayn just did last game.) On April 08 2013 07:54 Keirathi wrote: @rayn: good, you're back First: ##Unvote Now, let's talk a bit: What are you defending here? WHY are you defensive? I didn't call you out for lurking/not contributing/whatever. Weird opening statement. You're right to an extent. I said that I hadn't read your scum meta. But everything about your play has been so glaringly different from the way you JUST played as town. Why? "Because the game is different" isn't an excuse for thinking and behaving completely differently. You didn't specifically call it dumb. I was...paraphrasing, a bit. And that post you just linked came before the post where I said you were calling geript's plan dumb, which is even weirder. Let's look at the progression, exactly: Then: geript's plan was exactly that: the people in the first 4 slots (aka pod, in this case) would be limited to a certain pod of picks. You said that was unarguably the best plan for town. Then changed your mind and are saying it's a bad plan. That's what I was getting at, here. Ugh, I hate this kind of excuse. "No one else was doing anything, so I refuse to do anything too!" YOU were the one saying that the top picks needed some kind of cooperation. Why didn't you try to get any? You just got your top pick, and buggered off. It's not my job to find out why you spew out bullshit reads with no explanation. The onus is on you to explain yourself. But again, that isn't even my point AT ALL. My entire point was that the way you are acquiring those reads is entirely inconsistent with how you acquired reads in Red Team. In Red Team, you saw something you didn't like, and either made a case right there, or you started poking and prodding at the person, questioning them and their motives. This game you just drop a name. Why so different? Again, missed the whole point. You said that the top picks needed to be cooperative with picking powerful roles/denying scum roles. But didn't try to cooperate at all with the top picks once the draft order came out. I already addressed that. No, trying to get yourself in a top pick isn't scummy, in itself. Rapidly changing your mind to a plan that benefits you more, personally, than town, and then refusing to back up your opinions on cooperating with the other top picks is scummy, though. I'm looking forward to seeing what you contribute today, though. Hopefully you can change my mind. ##Unvote: Keirathi Regarding Artanis I'm going to do some more reading tonight, but he has some posts that I find quite townie. I think they show that he is trying to contribute, as well as a clear thought process in attempting to help the town determine what is best in the draft phase. On April 04 2013 17:45 Artanis[Xp] wrote: So if I'm getting things right we plan on giving strong town reads effectively VT roles, correct? Though the idea of stopping strong scum roles is appealing, there are a myriad of strong roles in the game and I don't think sacrificing strong townreads that can pick early (and therefore are unlikely to be blocked by anyone) VT roles just to stop scum from picking certain roles is good. 1. They'll know exactly what X players before them picked so they can dodge roles that would otherwise make them VT. 2. Strong townreads end up with a public VT role rather than being able to help town beyond their scumhunting. 3. The townVT to scumVT balance will shift heavily in scum's favour 4. If there's scum before the last strong townread assigned to a scumrole, it could easily be sniped anyway. I think it's best if everyone hides their picks since it'll give scum the least amount of information and prevent them from having safe picks. Gives critical input on a plan as opposed to negative input, and has his first iteration of a plan: Everyone pick as discretely as possible. On April 04 2013 18:57 Artanis[Xp] wrote: I have a better plan for the Yamato plan, if you do decide to go through with it. If we have people that look suffeciently town, are early in the list and are willing to follow the plan, they could RNG between blocking a role and taking a 'real' role themselves without revealing which one they'd want to pick. It would create a risk too great for scum to pick that role unless they're going to WIFOM about if the town player would actually do it or not, and it'd give a 50% shot for the town player to actually still get a useful role. It's less certain than the Yamato plan but I think it puts town in a better position. It could have the same net effect yet have a higher chance for town to get more blues. Again giving critical input and creating a new plan, or at the very least a new iteration in Yamato's plan. On April 04 2013 22:42 Artanis[Xp] wrote: No one's actually addressed this yet, especially Yamato which I find strange as it's an improvement upon his plan. I'd propose we use it for 2 roles at the most though. Past that, it just becomes too unreliable. I don't like the VT claiming idea. Players that ended up with a VT role are still important to town in one way: Taking hits that would otherwise land on blues. I don't think the info gained on roles is worth this downside. There might be exceptions in certain situations (such as a player high up in the list claiming VT when he tried to pick a scummy role), but as the norm I'd be against it. Brings up his idea again, stating he believes it's an improvement to the plan, and again is applying critical thinking about the picking strategies that others are proposing. I don't see this as "hiding in set up speculation" I see this as someone applying critical thought as to how the town can start the game off with the most advantageous, and start the mafia off with the least. On April 05 2013 08:21 Artanis[Xp] wrote: The accountability is a good point actually, I hadn't thought about that yet. Hm. Still think it's better than doing nothing at all though since without any rules at all there's no accountability anyway. Will sleep on it. He takes criticism on his plan well, says he'll take time to think about it. To me it reads really townie,especially because of a later post where he brings up that the route town was going had no accountability. His posts to me show the thought process of someone trying to min/max the drafting system, and follows a plausible planning process. As I said earlier, I'll take a further look into him, and read the cases more thoroughly, but to me he reads as at least decently townie. I'm going to post this now, I'll be reading and writing for a (hopefully) larger post, so if anyone else is going to be on for a bit, let's chat about someone, I'll even let you pick who. I suggest I give you context from read Newbie Mafia 37 http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=395714 Specifically Sevryn He was scum on my team, and a lurker. Let me post you what I told him in the scum QT. http://www.quicktopic.com/50/H/s4anwjnME7M9 Post 58 #1... you're currently a lurker.. you're not in a position to call out other ppl heheh (seriously) you need to establish innocence. I ask him to present original thought to the thread. Town loves original thought....the BEST way to do that in my opinion, is to make a valid argument on something new; ppl respect original thought. Glurio is pretty weak overall, and has made some contributions, I think he is your ideal target. look, lemme read his post, and I pass on my criticisms on that post Post 60 lol. your lucky anyway.. your post is getting buried.. this is the key DO NOT LET IT GET BURIED.. ppl will see that as scum.. so say like this "my points on glurio are getting buried, i am bringing them back to attention with this extra analysis" .... His point got buried; so I asked him to bring it back to the fore again. Again, town dont expect scum to "care" about their points. Its a cheap action to take that is easy to perform. Even for a LURKER! Post 73 - In regards to Sevryn making posts to bring his point across (a la Artanis[Xp] This is so funny watching them banter great news sevryn. Warbaby didnt list u. So planned worked The thread publicly declare Sevryn as a town read post-hoc... my very simple to implement plan worked. Why? Because people judged him on the action; not the motivation or the content in the post. Much like the situation here. Yes Artanis plan was pro-town.. but the plan still needed to be endorsed by more than one voice. Do you think he really make a push to convince people? Ask yourself this. Everyone is commenting how pro-town the plan was. If so, why did no one else endore the plan? He basically stood up on a box; but instead of bring on the megaphone (like Yamato/myself/Rayn did.. he decides to whisper. He actions do not match the motivation. Artanis is scum. | ||
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On April 08 2013 09:51 yamato77 wrote: People shat all over the Palmar read. I've learned to realize when I'm being overly suspicious. Im suspicious of Palmar; and endorsed your read from the get-go. Hes not my top scumspect; but hes on my radar. | ||
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On April 08 2013 10:10 austinmcc wrote: I really hope you took a vote-altering role; cos politician suits you to a tee.I fully disagree on this point. For one, town austinmcc is entirely equivalent to this. Rawr. I don't even think we've played many games together when I'm town and have played decently. But aside from that, we don't disagree on artanis's early game plan. He did not push/seem full on conviction on a pro-town plan. We agree there. I put emphasis on the fact that he was the sole person mentioning a heavy RNG plan. I put emphasis on the fact that the plan feels VERY anti-mafia, because no matter what town plans mafia can at least plan around it, except with RNG you're limiting your ability to plan around anything. It's a very pro-town/anti-mafia plan imo. In a vacuum, I do not find it likely that a mafia player looking to be active would choose to lightly push THAT particular plan, or wouldn't hop off it and just parrot some other plan. Back to business pl0x: Firstly, it is good we see eye to eye with the lack of conviction. Secondly, I believe the next paragraph is mostly addressed by: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=403766¤tpage=75#1484 In fairness, you may have not read that yet. The applicable part is towards the bottom in very big text. Let me regurgitate it for you: On April 08 2013 10:06 Mocsta wrote: Ask yourself this. Everyone is commenting how pro-town the plan was. If so, why did no one else endore the plan? He basically stood up on a box; but instead of bring on the megaphone (like Yamato/myself/Rayn did.. he decides to whisper. He actions do not match the motivation. Artanis is scum. So we both agree, the conviction is lacking. The comment above confirms the thread subconsciously recognised the conviction was lacking. The point is, the motivation for a pro-town plan only becomes pro-town if there is conviction to push it. Otherwise its just another attempt to contribute something meaningful without contributing. Or as someone else pointed out; an attempt to solicit information on town towards which direction they would take. ==== As for your next comment: In a vacuum, I do not find it likely that a mafia player looking to be active would choose to lightly push THAT particular plan, or wouldn't hop off it and just parrot some other plan. Your entire point is hinged upon a mafia player looking to be active. I dont recall anyone arguing Artanis was trying to have an active thread presence? So the point is moot. I repeat: A town AustinMCC is better than this. | ||
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Unrelated question. Do you think I spamming up the thread? I am asking because my last couple posts have all been big text walls; and not sure if Im getting my message across succinctly at the moment. | ||
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To me: active => trying to participate in live thread discussions, and be a presence. Contribute without contributing is blending in; and trying to stay off the radar with minimal activity. The meaning (for me personally) is certainly not the same. Well I now know, next game if I roll scum; I can come up with a super pro-town idea pre-game.. release it to the thread, and proceed to fuck off. And people like you will never vote me.. Awesome, I just unlocked the game. As I said before, and you did not comment on. If this plan was so good, as you and some others state. You would have supported it publicly at that point in time. You are coming in here now, to state your support, which just doesnt cut it. Artanis didnt gain traction for his "pro-town plan".. and certainly never made a consolidated effort to gain traction. All he did was attempt to have it heard... There is a huge distinction between the two. One is almost certainly townie. The other is scummy / lazy townie. No where have you argument Artanis is lazy; so lets scrap that.. one is almost certainly townie.. the other: scummy. You do the math. | ||
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On April 08 2013 10:35 Sharrant wrote: Mr. Rant, this post is a pretty big post for a summary.+ Show Spoiler + @Gonzaw I think the best two targets tonight are Sinani and Sn0man. At this point neither of them are seeming like they will be here to allow us to actually read them. I'd prefer a shot on Sinani over Sn0man for two reasons. A) I'm a little concerned about Sn0man being shot if he's a townie with a strong power role, or a townie with a strong denial role, hell there's even a bit of concern if he's a mafia with a strong role. I find it much more likely for Mafia to have the copycat power than the town would, meaning they could potentially receive a strong role. B) Sinani looks pretty scummy for the small amount that he has posted. On April 08 2013 06:43 sinani206 wrote: I haven't played with him before, so I don't know his meta, but he's pretty scummy imo. On April 08 2013 06:46 sinani206 wrote: gonzaw are you going to claim exactly what your role is? These quotes especially feels out of place. He picks a really safe target for the shot, but then doesn't bother to push a case at all, AND takes a step back as he pushes his name forward. He's already trying to back away from the shot even as he's proposing it. He clearly doesn't want to push the shot, he clearly does not want to be assosciated with it, but he does want it to happen. He also immediately fishes for your role even though you've revealed that you have at least 1 KP usable during the day. The only reason I see for asking this is because he's on the scum team, and either he or one of his team mates is either BC or the assassin, and is hoping to take a shot on you either before or after you take your shot depending on who you would kill. That's why I'd feel safe in a shot on Sinani. What is the intention? Are you trying to sell this as original content? | ||
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On April 08 2013 10:46 ObviousOne wrote: Go fuck yourself.Mocsta. I love you dearly. Please make paragraphs. Or I'll Do This Just To Explain Why It's Annoying And Difficult To Read. You personally asked me to go back to my roots. I did. So Go fuck yourself. | ||
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On April 08 2013 10:47 austinmcc wrote: + Show Spoiler + Mocsta, I didn't go "YAYA ARTANIS PLAN BESTPLAN." But I did interact with him, noting that RNG had played a role in the top picks of the last PYP. I like the idea of including some RNG into any picking plan, because it was a pro-town element. And YEAH. You can come up with some super pro-town idea in game, release it, and proceed to fuck off. There's a 100% chance that I'll find someone who puts forth a super pro-town idea to be likely town. I may be wrong here. I might be wrong if you ever do that. But I forgot that coming up with super pro-town plans was NOT a townie thing to do. So yes, I may be horribly horribly wrong here. Then there is nothing further to discuss; other than this tidbit. If Artanis[Xp] flips scum... I am going to think of you as near-confirmed town. If Artanis[Xp] flips town... I am going to think of you as confirmed scum. Thank god janitor power only applies on NKs. Peace out, back to work. | ||
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On April 08 2013 10:52 ObviousOne wrote: @Mocsta <3 never change ![[image loading]](http://awesomegifs.com/wp-content/uploads/My-favourite-GIF-ever.-Imgur.gif) | ||
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On April 08 2013 11:02 gonzaw wrote: Does anyone have old games from Sharrant, both town and scum? I only have Normal Mini Mafia 4 He was mislynched http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=394344 | ||
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ohh yeah forgot. thnx for clarification mislynched, misshot similar to things to me anyways. he was under scrutiny though regardless. | ||
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