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On April 13 2013 00:37 geript wrote: Lol Sn0 as green. yeah he has a green check from austin, the dead confirmed townie with a DT check. what is your problem? The people on that list who are in green are the ones who have green checks on them, duh | ||
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get something more creative his role checker thing is basically a list checker because we can see if people are lying | ||
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On April 13 2013 03:13 Kurumi wrote: Please send me your questions. This makes it easier for me to answer them <3 As for Cover, it is just a frame ability. so it doesn't last after the GF dies? | ||
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On April 13 2013 03:23 Kurumi wrote: Why would it? Cover is just a fancy name for frame which includes role and alignment at will of the role holder. okay cool thanks i just thought it might be weird like that to make the GF different from a "strictly better" framer | ||
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On April 13 2013 06:29 geript wrote: If that's the case then why not try to give me a better target or convince Sno to do a different invention? Why not give reasons for me being wrong? because you are fucking retarded you ignored everything anyone said all day yesterday we no longer have any rational expectation that you will listen to us therefore it is no longer worthwhile to engage you | ||
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If deconduo was scum janitor we could be looking for a traitor, otherwise I guess we are forced to conclude he really was a townie who used janitor night 1 Why do ppl want to lynch me? This is like the first time that most of my scum reads have actually been correct Also lynching one of our investigative roles when we don't have to seems pretty dumb. Whether I'm town or scum, anyone I give a green check to is not scum Also also BM not wanting to shoot me is not alignment indicative towards me, because if he shoots me and I'm not scum then BM gets auto lynched | ||
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On April 14 2013 00:00 Restraining Order wrote: Why did you investigate M_Z on n1? I didn't know how many town vigs would shoot. I investigated meapak cause he seemed scummy and disinterested, but not scummy enough given his veteran-ness for him to be vigged. Like, out of my scum suspicions, he was the one least likely to get vigged. | ||
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On April 14 2013 00:22 Restraining Order wrote: Okay. The only mention he made here of M_Z before investigating him That's a pretty weak line of suspicion. He said far more about OO, in a far 'stronger' way. Prime example: etc. This begs the question: Why didn't he investigate OO? Looks more like he didn't actually want OO lynched. His "push" on what is painted as his strongest scumread on the following day was decidedly weak too. "I'm voting OO, okay?" and things of that amount of impact, nothing actually substantial. Now, plenty of people pushed OO/Sharrant lynches for relatively weak reasons (me included), but you'd expect more from a guy that has said his strongest scumread is on him. How I see that situation - snb wants to have OO as top scum read in case OO flips. snb does not actually want to push town into lynching OO though - his role is very valuable KP. He just tries to look like it. In case snb flips instead, OO looks better for scum "pushing" him. A town copandbig in that situation would not have investigated M_Z over OO. A town cop in the position snb was in (credibility-wise) would have made sure of OO (who, as a high placing player on the draft list, is very likely to have a really strong role for his alignment) instead of some guy he's mildly suspicious of. Instead, he went for a weak read, giving him a 'safe' towncheck to throw out, while giving him what he really wanted out of it - information about M_Z's role. snb is a bad cop, not a good cop. Look at when I first brought up OO when I was trying to get sharrant to post more. Was OO under any suspicion at that point? If he was I don't remember it. The reason I was hesitant was because I made a superficially similar case on OO in red team mafia and he was town. But if I'm his scum buddy there's absolutely no motivation or upside for me to focus more attention on him during day 1 when both VE and artanis are prime thread suspects begging to be lynched. It's just stupid play, and I thought if there was one thing we established in red team it's that I may be bad at scum hunting but I'm not stupid. However, I was telling the truth night one - if I was a vig I would have shot him. However, that makes him a bad check - I thought the odds were decent that someone else would actually do it. Also a general rule as a blue - never talk about who you're actually going to act on. It's just begging for a roleblock if you're right and it's letting scum know they don't have to worry about you if you're wrong. Like, I can't believe you're actually using "he didn't check the guy he was talking about that night" as a reason I'm scum. | ||
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On April 14 2013 01:19 Keirathi wrote: I don't think I ever gave particular resistance. S&B was in one my "we should lynch from this list" posts early in the day. I backed off once he claimed DT, though, because I was just wrong about DT. For some reason, throughout the whole game, I thought DT was just an alignment check (you can kinda see that I did actually think that in my "Roles you should take" post...I had NKVD as slightly more powerful than DT, and had DT as a "town only" pick. NKVD is definitely not more powerful role+alignment check). Scum wouldn't take just an alignment check, so I just moved S&B back in my list. Then Sharrant brought up the fact that DT was role+alignment, and my opinion quickly changed again. That is an excellent role for scum to pick. Basically I don't have any reasons for why S&B is town, his role (especially in this situation, with an assassin teammate) makes perfect sense as scum, and BM refused to shoot him. Together, I think he's our last scum. I actually told BC I picked "alignment cop" :/ (I didn't realize detective got roles either) It's my fault the game was delayed during the picking phase:/ | ||
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Raynpelikoneet -- DEAD UNKNOWN 5, 1 sharrant -- Vanilla (denied Detective) 11, X gonzaw -- Jack 8, X Austinmcc -- Copycat 8, X (green check from Keirathi NK) Sinani206 -- claimed Vote Rigger, green check from Keirathi invention - can only be scum if keir is making up checks or if there are two GFs, which is unlikely, could be traitor until he uses one of his powers Geript -- Vanilla (denied NRA Member) - can't be traitor, wouldn't know NRA had been taken above him, could be scum strongandbig -- claimed detective - can't be traitor as DT is confirmed taken restraining order -- claimed framer, no checks (as a claimed framer, must be considered immune to checks) Keirathi -- claimed NKVD, green-checked austin & sinani, red-checked BM so probably town Mocsta -- claimed Capitalist, green check from vivax - not traitor because of claimed shot on decon - only scum if vivax is traitor making up checks Shelvocke -- checked as vanilla by mocsta, denied DT -- could be vanilla scum ; wouldn't know DT was taken, so denied claim would have had to be a big gamble if he's traitor but also possible Vivax -- claimed parity cop, green-checked austin and mocsta Oatmaster -- confirmed recruiter mason - could be scum, can't be traitor Yamato77 -- claimed vanilla (denied Justice Vigilante) - VT check from snb - can't be scum unless i am, could be traitor scum candidates in order of my estimated likelihood, assuming there's not two godfather bonuses RO Vivax Geript? Oatsmaster? This doesn't really make sense tho traitor candidates Sinani Yamato RO? Recommended actions It's highly unlikely that sinani is the remaining scum, since keirathi would have to be making up checks. However, Sinani's play doesn't make me feel super townie about him. If sinani uses his role, we know he isn't traitor. However, IMO a double lynch today is not good for town, since it just decreases the amount of time we have for our investigative roles to work on everyone. Therefore, we should vote for Sinani, and he should use his vote rigging power to lynch RO. This way if he's lying about his role he dies, and if he's not lying then town can absolutely confirm his role. If he rigs the vote to anyone other than RO, he should be shot or insta-lynched the next phase, and he will no longer have his vote-rig to wriggle out of the lynch. RO should be our real lynch for today. As a claimed framer, we can't trust checks on him, and the safest way to a town victory appears to be through mechanics. IMO he's a better lynch than any of the investigative roles at this time and better than anyone with a check on them, which leaves just him, Geript, and Oatsmaster. Out of those three I think RO is by far the most likely to be scum. | ||
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On April 14 2013 05:53 sinani206 wrote: Wait snb is dumb and probably scum... I'm not following his plan, I'll just rig my own vote to prove I have it. No need to fuck with the rest of the votes. this works too | ||
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On April 14 2013 04:49 Keirathi wrote: RO can't frame himself. But the better question is, who is he using his frames on? Just not using them? Why not at least throw one on his teammate BillMurray? I mean, no one said we were checking BM; I kinda just made that decision at the last minute because BM wasn't cooperating and said he was "fishing for reactions". RO being scum is not impossible, but RO being scum AND framer seems quite unlikely. oh i didnt realize that he couldnt frame himself. well who do you think we should lynch today? | ||
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On April 14 2013 14:50 Mocsta wrote: Vivax Who was the check on And what was the outcome You're an idiot He's posted this And I've like re-posted it Why don't you even try to look | ||
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On April 15 2013 00:22 Keirathi wrote: It's a toss up between you and Vivax, with you leading right now. So, who do YOU want to lynch today? You haven't said. Well, I guess you said that we should lynch dandel, but only because you think he is framer. What about his play? What about anyone else? I'll explain. Yes, his role was self-confirming if he was town AND he was compulsive, or if he was town and not compulsive but agreed to shoot a specific target for us and "take one for the team". If he wasn't using his ability in any way we could track, then how was he self-confirming? He claimed that he wasn't compulsive anymore. I dunno about you, but I don't think that's entirely out of the realm of possibilities for a theme bonus. And if he's not compulsive, then him being alive doesn't mean anything. He would have just been this big question mark until someone checked him or we just lynched him anyways. Better to be sure, IMO. As for the bolded: you have no idea how much I wish you had to. you asked me who i want to lynch. i'm not sure. based on the outing of VE as nra member, i think geript is town. based on role choice I think oatsmaster is town. Sinani, mocsta, and yamato all have green checks. vivax, you and me are all DTs and i still believe that lynching a DT doesn't make sense when we could be checking each other and others. That leaves Shelvocke and RO. So I want to lynch one of them. i think it's actually pretty likely shelvocke is a traitor, especially if it's actually Ace. My point about him not knowing that DT was already taken was apparently incorrect, and that was the only reason I wasn't considering him the most likely traitor. So at the moment I think I most want to lynch Shelvocke. | ||
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