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syllogism
Profile Joined September 2010
Finland5948 Posts
April 18 2013 05:20 GMT
#4081
Should have given town LESS information if anything

I think telling mafia a few roles, if not all, that didn't end up getting picked would be a decent idea for the next game. Would give them more flexibility in claiming and town claimers wouldn't instantly become semi-confirmed. Yes, mafia could actually pick a medic or DT, but there are so many absolutely ridiculous town roles that they can't actually win if they don't pick actually useful ones.
Kurumi
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Poland6130 Posts
April 18 2013 05:51 GMT
#4082
Mafia team died to the usual bane of mafia teams, inactivity. They had killer roles but sadly no people to let them be used long enough. Sad that viscera had no time to talk himself out from the accusations and he certainly could based on the foreword post of his in this thread that his activity will be low. Inventor was creative, but nobody beats a list check.
Like invent those babies.
They kill entire armies of scum.
Anyway, I hope it was not really rocky in terms of hosting while bc was away.
Thank you guys for playing. Also Mocsta, dont call people names after the game. While people can usually understand it to some degree in game, it has no place postgame. Shelvocke survived one day where he expected not to, why not try again?
I work alone. // Visit TL Mafia subforum!
geript
Profile Joined February 2013
10024 Posts
April 18 2013 06:03 GMT
#4083
Meh, VE was one person who I had no planning of letting go at any point once I was confirmed VT.
raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
April 18 2013 06:06 GMT
#4084
So i had a best plan 2013. Too bad most of the people were like "i don't give a shit about any plans and won't contribute anything about any plan ever". That's when i stopped caring about plans..
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yamato77
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
11589 Posts
April 18 2013 06:09 GMT
#4085
Yeah, what the fuck was that?

SO many people shat on plans, and almost all of them were town, when every plan discussed would have helped town win the game.

Just because it's "setup talk" does not make it worthless, especially in this game.
Writer@WriterYamato
geript
Profile Joined February 2013
10024 Posts
April 18 2013 06:10 GMT
#4086
On April 18 2013 14:20 syllogism wrote:
Should have given town LESS information if anything

I think telling mafia a few roles, if not all, that didn't end up getting picked would be a decent idea for the next game. Would give them more flexibility in claiming and town claimers wouldn't instantly become semi-confirmed. Yes, mafia could actually pick a medic or DT, but there are so many absolutely ridiculous town roles that they can't actually win if they don't pick actually useful ones.

Definitely not. Mafia already got way more information than town on how some roles worked and how interactions worked. I guess we could've asked more questions. Giving them freely claimable roles early is a bad thing as it's a huge boon
yamato77
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
11589 Posts
April 18 2013 06:12 GMT
#4087
Syllo is working from the position that the current TL metagame is town-favoured; you need to give town less pieces of the puzzle, rather than more.

I tend to agree, personally.
Writer@WriterYamato
geript
Profile Joined February 2013
10024 Posts
April 18 2013 06:17 GMT
#4088
I don't think that the metagame is town-favored in the slightest. I just think that in general, town works harder to try and win the game than scum does. Look what happened when Artanis tried to get unlynched, people started buying what he was saying. If people would put forth more effort in trying to win as scum and trying to be active, then I don't think it would be town-favored at all.
syllogism
Profile Joined September 2010
Finland5948 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-04-18 06:32:19
April 18 2013 06:30 GMT
#4089
Town isn't supposed to solve the game based on what roles people claim, in particular in a format where everyone is potentially blue. It's perfectly fine if they can't trust role claims at all until they flip. That is, they can't trust claims without analyzing their play. The format makes fake claiming very unappealing and difficult for mafia, because they have absolutely no idea who tried to pick what and when. This has been a problem in every single PYP and it's only getting worse with more strong roles being added as that forces mafia to go for roles that they can actually use.

I liked what was done with the characters though. With a bit more creative claim BM could have gained a lot of credibility with his justice vig pick.
yamato77
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
11589 Posts
April 18 2013 06:34 GMT
#4090
Yeah, BM's claim was weak. If he'd had a strong explanation for his claim losing its drawback for some reason, he could have been "confirmed town" for a while.
Writer@WriterYamato
geript
Profile Joined February 2013
10024 Posts
April 18 2013 06:41 GMT
#4091
Part of my reasoning for picking NRA was I figured it was a role that VE would strongly consider from either side and that if he took it then it would be highly indicative of his alignment dependent on how he acted. I think a more interesting method for PYP would be to have a list of all potentially available roles and once the draft order is set then figure offer people pods to draft from which are kept secret.
Keirathi
Profile Joined May 2012
United States4679 Posts
April 18 2013 07:22 GMT
#4092
On April 18 2013 15:41 geript wrote:
Part of my reasoning for picking NRA was I figured it was a role that VE would strongly consider from either side and that if he took it then it would be highly indicative of his alignment dependent on how he acted. I think a more interesting method for PYP would be to have a list of all potentially available roles and once the draft order is set then figure offer people pods to draft from which are kept secret.

I thought about a PYP game like that. Sort of like a "Single Draft" (ala dota). But I just couldn't figure out the logistics of how it could possibly work in a fun-to-play way.
My dear friend if I have gone pants on head, you have gone socks on ears!!! -ShiaoPi
geript
Profile Joined February 2013
10024 Posts
April 18 2013 07:28 GMT
#4093
Can people tell me what I obviously missed about why Kei was town? How do you find a way to overlook a bad early game to focus on the obvious other points?
Keirathi
Profile Joined May 2012
United States4679 Posts
April 18 2013 07:36 GMT
#4094
On April 18 2013 16:28 geript wrote:
Can people tell me what I obviously missed about why Kei was town? How do you find a way to overlook a bad early game to focus on the obvious other points?

AFAIK most of the town reads basically just boiled down to meta reads. I was actively working to try to figure the game out and putting in a lot of effort, even though I was wrong quite often. Being wrong != being scum.

Also, FWIW, if I was scum, I was really hurting my chances to win by calling everyone town all the time
My dear friend if I have gone pants on head, you have gone socks on ears!!! -ShiaoPi
raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
April 18 2013 07:37 GMT
#4095
Keirathi's case against me on D1 was really well thought out (despite him being wrong on it) and looked like made in obv-townish mindset. His check + reasons and reaction to to MZ's nuke on Austin was no way what scum would do, at least after Austin flipped. I kinda stopped watching the game at that point. But that's what came to my mind.
table for two on a tv tray
Palmar
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Iceland22633 Posts
April 18 2013 10:15 GMT
#4096
On April 18 2013 15:03 geript wrote:
Meh, VE was one person who I had no planning of letting go at any point once I was confirmed VT.


And even then I wasn't actually lying. No matter what anyone else did, VE was dying unless he had a role to avoid lynches.

I sent the command to kill VE before you revealed him as thingee.

It was actually VE who got lynched by me and then Artanis who got lynched by town.
Computer says mafia
Dandel Ion
Profile Joined November 2010
Austria17960 Posts
April 18 2013 10:43 GMT
#4097
gg

I didn't really give a shit the last few days, since everyone outside of [shevlurker, vivax, yamato] was either guaranteed town already, or going to be hardconfirmed by roles (in the case of sinani)
So I understood why yamato didn't give a shit anymore.

So, as I told people multiple times, I didn't really give a fuck who got lynched first since out of those three the game was a sure win.

A bit sad sinani saved shelvlurker with his vote-rig, but it's okay. what's a brother to do.
At least this way I still got to policylynch Vivax for being bad, which is always a plus.


btw, M_Z nuking austin was funniest moment in the game, lol.
That was good good good.
A backwards poet writes inverse.
Dandel Ion
Profile Joined November 2010
Austria17960 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-04-18 11:08:32
April 18 2013 11:06 GMT
#4098
Oh and using the janitor as town is real stupid, especially when you can expect to get shot by a vig for your play.

Srsly, don't do that.


€: Holy shit, BC.
There's a reason games only let Assassins send in ROLE or RED, not role/alignment.
Thank god Artanis is so bad at playing scum, that could've ended badly.
A backwards poet writes inverse.
Artanis[Xp]
Profile Blog Joined December 2005
Netherlands12970 Posts
April 18 2013 11:33 GMT
#4099
Ima show you how bad my scum play is next time dandel.
Be warned.
Dandel Ion
Profile Joined November 2010
Austria17960 Posts
April 18 2013 11:35 GMT
#4100
The level of my worry approximates zero.
A backwards poet writes inverse.
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