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Artanis[Xp]
Netherlands12968 Posts
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Caller
Poland8075 Posts
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marvellosity
United Kingdom36161 Posts
On April 18 2013 16:37 raynpelikoneet wrote: Keirathi's case against me on D1 was really well thought out (despite him being wrong on it) and looked like made in obv-townish mindset. His check + reasons and reaction to to MZ's nuke on Austin was no way what scum would do, at least after Austin flipped. I kinda stopped watching the game at that point. But that's what came to my mind. yeah apart from anything else there was no reason at all Kei should be mafia after this. | ||
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ObviousOne
United States3704 Posts
GG was a good time. At some point I got hit with that depression hammer. Must have been Monday. Second game as mafia, still not completely wrapping my head around how to do that and still look like town from RED. I am less sure about my meta read of Artanis pointing to scum but I already knew he was, obviously. Just ended up wanting to ride the town credit since we were pretty sure he was a foregone conclusion. Sorry to BM for basically going AFK at that point. We did have a great conversation over Skype and found out he was a day older than me  . Sign up for LXI!!!!!!!!!!!!!! | ||
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ObviousOne
United States3704 Posts
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marvellosity
United Kingdom36161 Posts
On April 07 2013 15:52 gonzaw wrote: Artanis[Xp], seems you should have gone with Artanis[Win 7] instead, because you seem more like Artanis[Vista] to me  Decided to read gonzaw's case because I couldn't be bothered at the time. Glad I did for this little gem at the end. | ||
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marvellosity
United Kingdom36161 Posts
On April 18 2013 21:07 ObviousOne wrote: GG was a good time. At some point I got hit with that depression hammer. Must have been Monday. Second game as mafia, still not completely wrapping my head around how to do that and still look like town from RED. Well, here's somewhere to start. Don't say things like "can't really be fucked to play at all, this game is boring, see you tomorrow."  | ||
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Dandel Ion
Austria17960 Posts
I didn't feel like we were even able to lose, pretty much all the time ever since the d1 double-lynch. What came after was just going through the motions and checking down the carpet-bombing list I had in my mind. People need to be more, like, positive and shit. The game wasn't exactly fun to play in, thanks to a select few players in it, but it was a locked in win all the way. OPTIMISM, guys. | ||
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ObviousOne
United States3704 Posts
On April 18 2013 21:22 marvellosity wrote: Well, here's somewhere to start. Don't say things like "can't really be fucked to play at all, this game is boring, see you tomorrow." LOL yeah one of my multitude of regrets. | ||
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Dandel Ion
Austria17960 Posts
I just used it to flame people, before I got there, there was actual content and shit. Not important, so I never bothered copy-pasting it. | ||
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Oatsmaster
United States16628 Posts
On April 18 2013 22:02 Dandel Ion wrote: oh yea: mason QT: http://www.quicktopic.com/50/H/q6GBiAYETiCJX I just used it to flame people, before I got there, there was actual content and shit. Not important, so I never bothered copy-pasting it. Um yeah. Nothing personal, its just a game  | ||
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Caller
Poland8075 Posts
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ObviousOne
United States3704 Posts
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austinmcc
United States6737 Posts
I'd agree with syllo on the role stuff, in fact. From reading the other PYP games, scum is at a huge disadvantage these games compared to normal, because they can actually get 100% caught based on claims/roles sometimes. Even in a themed game they usually have safe fakeclaims, or town-aligned character names, or something like that. Here there are NO protections like that. As best I can tell, some of the roles that were added were meant to address that somewhat - BC, thief, roleswapper, to make claiming less bad for scum, and I'd be interested to see how this might have played out if scum had gone for thief/roleswapper, traded some early KP for some messing with the roles, although, tbh, we didn't get much out of the claims except for "injustice vig." I don't think I'd have been quite as townie on D2 if I weren't set to die. I do think that Keirathi's check and reasoning on me made sense, but I also have played with him and could kind of understand his desire to check me under the circumstances. I could see that making less sense if you haven't played with him/us. Sorry for not scumhunting more D2, I felt like I was active but not actually pushing the game forward and I didn't use my soon-to-be-guaranteed-towniness as much as I should. My b. And yeah, the nuke and reaction, especially hoping I wouldn't be nuked because of misspelling my name, was actually kind of funny. | ||
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austinmcc
United States6737 Posts
On April 18 2013 16:28 geript wrote: The way I was viewing it, he felt town because of his check but also just...nobody was really sharing your suspicions. And keirathi was either faking a check on my for no good reason or to save a scumbuddy, because there's just not much reason for him to fake check town as scum if he's not a DT (risks there being a real NKVD agent).Can people tell me what I obviously missed about why Kei was town? How do you find a way to overlook a bad early game to focus on the obvious other points? So if I flip scum off the nuke, maybe he just got caught. If I flip town off the nuke, then it's LIKELY that he's not faking his check and had good reason to check me and is town. Honestly, that's what I was looking at with both sn0 and keirathi. I had information on sn0 that I didn't want to give out - knowing he was an inventor, knowing that he invented a DT check instead of KP (scum probably invents KP or lynchproof vests or something less townie). My flip would confirm that I actually had that information, and would tell you something about keirathi as well. At the very least, then, when I was 100% slated to die at the end of the cycle, I don't think you should be trying to build and push reads on keirathi or sn0, because you're about to get guaranteed information there given that janitor was already blown and I'd flip. You were discarding information that would become public knowledge, discarding my play during D2, and you thinking they were both scummy sort of required you thinking that I was scum and lying about stuff, when I was going to die and flip and get revealed and all the lying would be worthless. No real reason for scum to be active and lie, because it gets them NOTHING at the end of cycle when the nuke hits. Tbh, kei was mildly suspicious D1 to me. I didn't have a fully town vibe on him until seeing his check on me, and seeing some of his posts D2. To me, beyond reasons he was town, there were just reasons not to worry about him during D2, because if I were actually green come the flips, his actions wouldn't have made sense as scum. | ||
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Dandel Ion
Austria17960 Posts
On April 18 2013 22:10 ObviousOne wrote: I wish to subscribe to dandel's mafia tips newsletter. Is there a lifetime subscription model? They're real secret. That's why i dont coach. | ||
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austinmcc
United States6737 Posts
On April 06 2013 11:04 austinmcc wrote: I'll point it out postgame if you'd like. For now I'm not going to. rayn, you asked me this and I didn't respond. Also I sort of ended up 100% wrong. BM got active at some point D1 just flinging around scum accusations based on associations and how people were acting towards each other in thread. X defended Y, Z noted that A was scum if something particular happened, blah blah blah - + Show Spoiler + On April 06 2013 08:29 Bill Murray wrote: Artanis is scum with Keirathi GG On April 06 2013 08:36 Bill Murray wrote: VE and Geript look bad over an associative tell that actually changes my FoS On April 06 2013 10:24 Bill Murray wrote: FoS Restraining Order VE is town and scum are trying to get a D1 lynch on him On April 06 2013 10:36 Bill Murray wrote: this looks like restraining order is chastising his mafia partner here if RO is scum, so is OO He also did it a couple other times, calling out snb as mafia if someone else were mafia, etc. I read those posts as very townie because the thread wasn't super scumhunty when he was posting, it was before Gonzaw's case and a lot of the actual discussion and voting on D1. I really liked that someone was coming in and accusing a bunch of people in this weird associative manner, because I was thinking that if he ever actually hit on scum, or anything true, maybe there would be an odd reaction that we could pick out later. Like, if he actually finds an odd interaction between two scumbuddies partway through D1, maybe they overreact or something. I think I overvalued what might fall out of his accusations, but I also made the same error that I did with my read on Artanis. BM was throwing around all these scumreads, making all these associations, but didn't actually do anything with any of them. Over time, as he didn't attempt to draw any conclusions from what he shook out of his posts, I should have been less and less townie on him, because it was that whole lack of conviction/pushing thing that mocsta was riding me on over artanis. But in general, I felt that I had seen BM post like this before when he was town, and I thought that the overall effect of those posts was townie - stir things up, maybe make scum nervous, maybe create associations to mine later on in the game. | ||
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marvellosity
United Kingdom36161 Posts
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austinmcc
United States6737 Posts
On April 18 2013 22:33 marvellosity wrote: I saw his reasoning behind each of them, based on what posts those players had just made in threads, at least...saw how he was drawing his associations.Those things are all pretty null to start with unless they're pursued / reasons given. But yeah, definitely less townie than I gave him credit for given the lack of pursuit. | ||
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raynpelikoneet
Finland43268 Posts
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