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On April 18 2013 12:35 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:
like I PM'd him immediately following his death, nuking austin is legitimately the dumbest thing I've ever done here and I can't express enough regret.
I was SO frustrated by that nuke. I thought austin was an amazingly good check; he had a reasonable chance of being scum based on the day 1 flips, and on the flip side, if he was town, he was one of our most active posters and thinking the hardest about the game, so giving him legitimacy would have helped to keep thread atmosphere up. Ah well 
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On April 18 2013 12:28 gonzaw wrote:Show nested quote +On April 18 2013 12:19 Mocsta wrote:
Awesome
This was embarrassing, but at least we got there.
Fuck face should have conceded. Game took forever Why would he concede when you had pinned yamato and sinani as mafia because BM put them apart in similar intervals in his post or stuff like that? If he wasn't SO LAZY he would have won to be honest. Like....if he had tried to appear active and contribute and call people out and post stupid speculation he could have gotten to LYLO
It wasn't about laziness. I was just incredibly busy during most of this game. I don't remember what my skype password is, so Artanis can share the skype logs if he has them.
mafia qt: http://www.quicktopic.com/50/H/BZgPPac7S43T7
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The post where you guys break down town is hilariously accurate:
17. yamato77 - seems to be reaching for information anywhere he can get it outside of talking to people, might be a byproduct of mocsta being a bully
Like I said, it got old very quickly.
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the worst part is that with the exception of the nuke I actually would have had a pretty good game but when something goes wrong on that scale I just kinda pussy out of everything else...
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Dammit BC why did you have to babysit scum all over the role picking phase?
Should have made the information about the "character bonus" thing public (like "Gangster"="More KP stuff for role X Y and Z", etc)
I had no idea Gangster DIDNT have any synergy with Jack (considering it has 2 KP), or what synergy other roles had (like BM's for instance, which was the most important one)
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Mocsta: My "message" to you was this. From my filter, the first thing we discussed:
On April 04 2013 21:31 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On April 04 2013 21:22 Mocsta wrote:On April 04 2013 21:19 raynpelikoneet wrote:On April 04 2013 21:17 Caller wrote:
what i mean by it tis simple: any vt's claim their intended role, some mafia claim another role that may or may not exist. or maybe they claim a role a higher mafia picked, or they share a pick with a vt. who knows. all that does is give mafia a list of roles in the game, and it does zog all for us. Absolutely correct. You have no way of telling who is telling the truth and you might end up lynching a lot of good town roles just to figure out who is lying. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=403766¤tpage=11#206As I mentioned prior. So far, I disagree. i think this provides us a tool with which to facilitate scum hunting at some point in the game. To use the claimed VT information to confirm people is ridiculous. - If that is your fixation, then I can see your point of view clearly. Let's say you try to pick CPRdoctor as #3. You get vanilla. You claim you tried to pick CPRdoctor and that you didn't get it when D1 starts. Scum have a member in #1 or #2. You just gave out the town CPRdoc. Scum can even random a kill on #1 or #2 and if the CPRdoc flips town, you have no way of knowing if the other guy is mafia, if the #3 picker is mafia. What's next? Do you kill those guys too? Just to be sure they are not lying? If not, why did you gave out scum role information in the first place?
It was really funny that this was 100% what happened, and i think you (or someone) would have picked up the pieces when i flipped vanilla. :D
Obviously you didn't get what i was trying to say in case i die as someone decided it was a good idea to jan N1 flips as town.
gg, it was a funny game!
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I'm reading the obs qt... gonzaw I'm sorry for being dumb
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Nah don't worry MZ, you were the "least" dumb out of so many people 
You were right about both Artanis and Shevlocke pretty early (unlike so many people, including me).
....you dun goofed with that nuke though
(you weren't that much of an impact in the game either which was such a shame. You could have been more active, or try to be more influential and shit and become the 4th Hero of the game )
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Also I would have liked your nuke being on scum on D1 
In hindsight I should have shot artanis, then austin would be assassin and he could shoot someone D1 and either kill scum or confirm them, then MZ shooting another scum, Palmar emperoring another scum, and we lynching another scum
That would have been sweet
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So D0/D1 played decently... Past that not so much. Maybe next game I'll make it to N2 before I start sucking.
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On April 18 2013 12:52 gonzaw wrote:Dammit BC why did you have to babysit scum all over the role picking phase? Should have made the information about the "character bonus" thing public (like "Gangster"="More KP stuff for role X Y and Z", etc) I had no idea Gangster DIDNT have any synergy with Jack (considering it has 2 KP), or what synergy other roles had (like BM's for instance, which was the most important one)
yeah this was kind of ridiculous, scum had so much more information about the setup than town did... but it's a pyp game ->open setup :/
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I liked just how so many town reads I (and many others I assume) could get on those Draft/Rolepicking phases
For instance:
On April 05 2013 02:39 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Combine Vivax' + Geript's ideas and let these guys pick [1][1], [2][1], [3][1], [4][1], [5][1] (everyone else picks [6->] [X]):
raynpelikoneet
Geript
yamato
Mocsta
Sharrant
Argee or not? If not, why?
For all I was trying to be "wise" and shit....this seemed like the perfect plan to me and I would have gambled anything to set it or any similar plan through.
I had ZERO reasons for thinking any of those players were scum at the time, they were like confirmed town from then on.
Could you say the same in any other game....BEFORE DAY ONE STARTS? I don't think so
(I was sad nobody followed this plan though. It was pretty bitching in my mind, and you would have avoided scum being in top 5 like OO or VE)
Best pre-D1 ever in my mind
One of the things I learned in other games and it reinforces it here as town is: Your memory sucks
You may think someone is like confirmed town at some point in time, but time goes on, you start getting doubts and insecurities and you can't even remember why they were so fucking town in the first place.
I'm sure this is what happened with lots of townies in those last days, where you just look at some general plays and insecurities you have about certain players and go "yeah this guy can be scum kill him".
If you had the fresh memories of that player's play from D0, D1, N1, etc you wouldn't say the same thing.
It kind of sucks, and it certainly happened to me in previous games (in obs qt it happened to me as well, but there I didn't even read filters and didn't give a fuck so I'm justified )
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On April 18 2013 13:43 strongandbig wrote:Show nested quote +On April 18 2013 12:52 gonzaw wrote:Dammit BC why did you have to babysit scum all over the role picking phase? Should have made the information about the "character bonus" thing public (like "Gangster"="More KP stuff for role X Y and Z", etc) I had no idea Gangster DIDNT have any synergy with Jack (considering it has 2 KP), or what synergy other roles had (like BM's for instance, which was the most important one) yeah this was kind of ridiculous, scum had so much more information about the setup than town did... but it's a pyp game ->open setup :/
At the very least BC could have put the correct roles in the OP >_> <_<
(Assassin and Framer I'm looking at you)
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I'd like to think I drove the discussions that gave you those townreads in the early game. I tryharded the pick phase just because I knew it would help a lot in that area.
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Yeah, you, rayn, and others obviously made that possible which was good play at that time
I didn't even post that much (was busy those days) but could easily read what you guys were doing, so good job.
Not only that, by doing what you did you basically lent me Artanis on a silver plate. By just skimming his posts about plans and your posts, or Mocsta's, or rayn's, or geript's, etc I (and others like MZ) could easily catch him just by comparison (and that was basically my whole case against him, or the most predominant part).
Hmm...I'm just going to conclude that BC babysitted scum so much and gave them so much info and changed roles/mechanics to be as anti-town as possible because he knew this scumteam didn't have a chance against us
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I think I need to follow and track my town reads more.
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I'm just annoyed at myself for derping so hard late game.
Caller can call me shite whatevs, I don't regret shooting decon. Hopefully next time I can recognise better blue vs scum lurking.
But yeah def deeper into the game derped hard, was a combo of demotivation and laziness. Prob more lazy, we all got like that towards the end.
But its really frustrating when someone puts ideas in the thread and you see ppl just shoot it down by saying "lol" or "you are an idiot". It was a recurring theme this game, and does create a negative vibe. And yes, I think I was guilty of it too at times.
Didn't think I was a bully though.
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On April 18 2013 13:49 geript wrote:
I think I need to follow and track my town reads more.
Yeah, I think most people could.
It is funny though, when I look back at my reads during day 2/3, I see myself being right on all my townreads, and reaching the correct conclusion that both OO and Shelvocke were likely mafia.
Notably, I was also correctly suspicious of BM because I knew something was fishy when someone was afraid of claiming Justice Vigi.
I was wrong about M_Z and Sinani on D2, but they were both in the same sort of "nullish" category as the rest. This was also before sinani's claim and his actions that let us ignore him for all intents and purposes.
D1 my reads were meh, but I sheeped gonzaw at the right time for the right reasons. Me moving my vote off Artanis came at a time when most of the thread started doubting him, so I don't feel that bad about it.
Palmar/Caller/Gonzaw all MVP-worthy, IMO.
Keir also carried lategame until he died, so props to him, too.
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I should have just listened to sinani and shoot BM when he told me to
I was SO planning on doing that just for the lulz
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