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Vivax
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austinmcc
United States6737 Posts
Bill Murray, Shelvocke, Mocsta, could use claims from you guys. Mocsta, I think it's ... absurd to be calling someone "meticulous" apart from like...that dienosore guy's action charts. I think it's even more absurd to be lynching someone because they don't meet your meticulous standard for them. I have played with lurky snb, I've played with snb throwing in joke/dinky little comments. I do not care that snb typed hahaha in response to Caller. The VE stuff is better, but at least with the first comment I disagree with your characterization of snb's quote. On April 07 2013 06:09 strongandbig wrote: I read the bolded part differently than you do. I see that as looking for MORE comment on VE, actively opening the door for him to be a continued topic of discussion. I just don't see that as him shutting down discussion. Personally, if I'm really thinking someone is scum, and a third player tells me that my reasoning isn't enough, I need more, I'm dumb enough to go hunting through a filter for more (see me trying to convince gonzaw on shelvocke, etc. etc.). So perhaps it's just a quirk of my play, but I read that one differently.On other news shelvocke is scum? How has VE been refusing to play? A vote on ve at this point needs way more justification than the sentence he posted. | ||
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Mocsta
Australia9388 Posts
Well I'm going to bed Its too hard dining everything on a phone. N whilst snb is overall low activity as town, or lurky as u say. I still find he makes some posts that have impact. Neways the key is. During the artanis debacle he never takes a firm stance .. Using OK as his excuse for scum hunting.. Yet never votes or pressures hard. Night. Sorry I regressed to the point u stopped reading my posts. That's a shame on my behalf. | ||
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austinmcc
United States6737 Posts
(1) On April 08 2013 19:44 strongandbig wrote: This was my first thought upon returning to thread. The dude that shoots roleclaimers just shot. If anyone was denied the assassin role, we can possibly narrow down where the assassin shot came from. This shows, to me, that he was approaching the shot on gonzaw from a townie mindset.did anyone try to pick assassin and get denied? (2) He wanted to lynch between artanis/shelvocke/VE On April 08 2013 04:52 strongandbig wrote: anyway before i go back to grading problem sets let me make my positions clear: at the moment, i am willing to lynch shelvok because his filter reads to me like he's being very "on track" but his justifications for those things are super insufficient. i am also willing to lynch artanis because gonzaws case seems good and artanis's response doesn't convince me he's town out of other people who have votes at the moment, i won't support killing palmar or keirathi or ryan. i would think about killing VE because of how bad his vote on deconduo is but it would take some persuading for me to do that. On April 08 2013 23:20 strongandbig wrote: Yes, those were leading candidates, but we know now that AT LEAST 2/3 of them were scum. Whereas you may think that pushing VE over Artanis means saving the more important scumbuddy, I think that putting no real effort into trying to find a third party, or pushing shelvocke/pushing me to push shelvocke as a lynch candidate looks townie. He's making no real effort to push the lynch off scum, to move people away from artanis/VE, and I, for now, find that townie.we should absolutely be lynching between artanis, shelvocke, and VE today. IMO we should be lynching VE. For a scum that high up to take NRA member instead of some active KP role, they would have to think of themselves as a likely check or other night action target. It doesn't make sense just to have a lurker take it and hope to get vigged instead of lynched. VE is the only one of the list above geript who is a likely check or vig target but not a likely early lynch. Plus, if you look at his play it's like he's trying to draw vig shots or dt checks. He is most likely the scum NRA member. Plus unlike artanis or shelvocke, if he is the NRA member then there's no hope for investigative roles to clear up the questions about him. IMO we should lynch ve. (3) On April 09 2013 02:14 strongandbig wrote: Another topic - if anyone tried to get traitor and was rejected they should probably claim. So...maybe I just have a scummy way of thinking about this game/setups, but I have also been keeping traitors in the back of my head. You can interpret this as fishing so that scum can narrow down where any traitors are, but you can also look at this as thinking about the possibility of a traitor and trying to start dealing with that possibility. It's...not a great point either way, but traitors in this game are kind of useless for scum. They don't add KP, so you acting on a traitor to recruit them is giving away an action (on the traitor to recruit him) that you could have used on a townie, for a benefit of...some guy who adds no KP or powers to your lineup. | ||
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Mocsta
Australia9388 Posts
Who did u parity check Austin with? I'm not claiming yet as its not my turn. As I said before I crumbed it. So will release when I wake up | ||
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austinmcc
United States6737 Posts
On April 11 2013 23:03 Mocsta wrote: Vivax. Who did u parity check Austin with? I'm not claiming yet as its not my turn. As I said before I crumbed it. So will release when I wake up We could use it as you're down towards the bottom and things are moving super-slow. The first half of this day was really light from a bunch of us on scumhunting OR doing anything with claims, and the more we hold things up the longer it takes (Pretty sure I just want to blow through them because I'm gonna die and want to see if I can do anything with em, so maybe my sense of urgency is overblown). Also, parity cop is one person per day in this setup, like normal. So the first day just seeds your second check, it doesn't actually give you a same/different result. | ||
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Mocsta
Australia9388 Posts
Personally I read pointed 1 and 3 as looking for vt to use assassin on. Its moot as can be taken as townie or scum. As for point 2. Its all fluff. He says this, he says that, but what does he actually do? Why does he say he agrees with art an is having scummy points, and then try to push too out of no where, dodging any responsibility with artanis. His vote doesn't come in till after geript NRA post. So ve was fucked regardless. | ||
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austinmcc
United States6737 Posts
On April 11 2013 23:06 Mocsta wrote: Assassin had already been used D1 though, so it wasn't going to be up for an entire cycle. Moreover, SOMEONE on the scum team had some sense and could intuit that Gonzaw was a jack based on his claimed KP and the fact he was sure he'd live until D2 to maybe use it.Austin. Personally I read pointed 1 and 3 as looking for vt to use assassin on. Its moot as can be taken as townie or scum. As for point 2. Its all fluff. He says this, he says that, but what does he actually do? Why does he say he agrees with art an is having scummy points, and then try to push too out of no where, dodging any responsibility with artanis. His vote doesn't come in till after geript NRA post. So ve was fucked regardless. If they can work their way through claims half-decently, I'd expect them to use assassin on actual roles, not on VTs who picked things that scum doesn't want to talk about too much. Like, yes, maybe they're setting up targets for way in the future if they can't find anyone, but it's a game full of power roles and crap. People are going to claim, people are going to get outed, they're going to have juicier targets than using assassin KP on VTs. | ||
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Mocsta
Australia9388 Posts
If u know who is vt U k ow who not to shoot Its all subjective and can be spun I stand by it being moot | ||
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austinmcc
United States6737 Posts
Which strong townies have powerful roles could factor into that, but your assassin is never just shooting blindly. He's generally not going to fire at VTs, and ... he has no need to figure out "who not to shoot." He looks for claims, fires on the claimers, at least as I can figure it, rather than looking for "who do we want to shoot" and then figuring out what they might be. The process is different than with normal KP, because he has to be able to give their role or lose his power. It reduces or eliminates the need for him to know where not to shoot. Given that you're going to be gone and sleeping for a while, consider claiming? Slightly out of order, but if we're trying to get claims in TODAY then we need to get moving faster. | ||
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Mocsta
Australia9388 Posts
Are u just reading the filter literally or taking into account the thread sentiment? Shevlocke wasn't getting lynched day1. It was either artanis or ve. In my opinion, your point 2 is snb giving a fleshed out summary post. ===== I'm going to bed. I'm not claiming my role outright. Its not my turn and bm hinted he may not be justice for whatever reason. So I am either Bloodycobbler, capitalist or vigilante. I don't think its important to known right now which one it is exactly. I either have 1 kp left, or a couple role checks. I prefer scum to be kept on toes. | ||
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austinmcc
United States6737 Posts
On April 11 2013 23:19 Mocsta wrote: Some of snb's posts come before there was a big push on VE iirc. Like, he was a constant "what is VE doing" but until geript came in and noted that he'd tried for NRA member and gotten VT, VE wasn't as big a focus. Double checked so as not to be an idiot here, and at the very least the first artanis/shelvocke/VE post comes like 7 hours before geript makes his NRA announcement.BTW Austin. Are u just reading the filter literally or taking into account the thread sentiment? Shevlocke wasn't getting lynched day1. It was either artanis or ve. In my opinion, your point 2 is snb giving a fleshed out summary post. ===== I'm going to bed. I'm not claiming my role outright. Its not my turn and bm hinted he may not be justice for whatever reason. So I am either Bloodycobbler, capitalist or vigilante. I don't think its important to known right now which one it is exactly. I either have 1 kp left, or a couple role checks. I prefer scum to be kept on toes. I think that, at that point, it was more artanis or shelvocke, but I'm also coloring that with me wanting to lynch shelvocke at that point, seeing that there was SOME support, and thinking that I could pick up another couple votes. | ||
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Sn0_Man
Tebellong44238 Posts
On April 11 2013 23:19 Mocsta wrote: BTW Austin. I don't think its important to known right now which one it is exactly. I either have 1 kp left, or a couple role checks. I prefer scum to be kept on toes. Well I find it unlikely that you are BC since you claim to have shot before decon roleclaimed. I wish BM would be a bit more cooperative...  | ||
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austinmcc
United States6737 Posts
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yamato77
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austinmcc
United States6737 Posts
(1) Why the vote on sharrant? (2) If we still have an inventor alive, he hands you a magical potion that brings one of the N1 deaths back to life. Who do you use it on? (3) What do you think of mocsta this game. You've...taken issue with his posting style, but haven't really spoken about him as a player. Please flesh out some real, alignment-indicative thoughts about mocsta, and post them. To this thread. (4) What do you think of snb at the moment? | ||
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yamato77
11589 Posts
On April 11 2013 23:40 yamato77 wrote: Moc, I don't have time to go looking, so can you tell me why you chose to shoot deconduo? I looked myself. I'll have to sit on that one. | ||
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Sn0_Man
Tebellong44238 Posts
I'd really like to "progress" through the roleclaiming process right now since I think that it will be quite hard for scum to hide in that. Even if there is a bloodycobbler floating around, it looks decently likely that they shot last night in which case they can't even shoot today (only tonight). | ||
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yamato77
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Sn0_Man
Tebellong44238 Posts
On April 12 2013 00:02 yamato77 wrote: I kinda think we should Lynch BM unless he claims. Well, I for one don't really care if BM gets bloodycobbler'd (since all of M_Z, Oats, RO, Vivax and maybe more have hard-claimed enough to get BC'ed as well). So I strongly support him claiming However, Do we want to lynch him? I mean, I still think he is Justice Vigi claim or no and if he is then lynching him is quite retarded. I'm more interested in what you guys think of Vivax's claim. If he is for real then I'm surprised because parity cop is utterly useless for scum, might as well try for something awesome and end up VT. However, I'll also say that parity cop has to be a pretty safe "fake claim" since nobody else is very likely to ask for it either. So basically, I think its definitely a point in Vivax's favour but I still kinda want to kill him. :/ I'm going to have to really look at SnB for a while since he might also be a decent lynch. | ||
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