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On April 08 2013 13:23 yamato77 wrote:+ Show Spoiler +On April 08 2013 13:18 Mocsta wrote:Show nested quote +On April 08 2013 13:13 yamato77 wrote:
It doesn't matter what killed him, it matters why.
Gonzaw was killed because he was obviously town and people were forming around him. What did he advocate? Killing artanis. Let's murder him. Sentiment is fine.. but i need to extend the thoughts as per: Show nested quote +On April 08 2013 13:03 Mocsta wrote:
Now anways, lets get this show back on track.
Gonzaw was a good scum hit; the timing is what is interesting.
Are they trying to force us onto VE, because it happened when we were talking about him?
hmmm.. for now, i want to maintain the legacy Gonzaw started.
We keep the lynch on Artanis[Xp] The posts identifying Gonzaw as "jack" were from ~8hrs ago. i.e. He could have been killed anytime between 8hrs ago, and just before the cycle finished. If they wanted to kill him due to the artanis case.. well... its odd they waited so long. and I choose not to use timezone as a reason for delay. The thread topic at the time was: Geript/VE NRA item. Which was potentially juicy enough to get a wagon off Artanis Im saying this all this, because if Artanis (who we are lynching) flips red.. im inclined to think VE is town. 1) You don't know when the shot was sent.
Touche, and fair point. Using that, OK, I can agree the VE heuristic is flawed.
Shame, because the timing was impeccable.
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On April 08 2013 13:24 Sharrant wrote:+ Show Spoiler +On April 08 2013 13:11 Mocsta wrote:Show nested quote +On April 08 2013 13:03 Sharrant wrote:This is the post where I knew with 100% certainty that he was the Jack. Scum should've known right then too. He's confident he can save his shot for tomorrow even having already said he could day vig. If I were in his position I'd be 100% sure that I don't live to see tomorrow. He's 100% confident that the town has at least 1 night vig shot. Jack is the only KP role that would let him live the night, and let him day vig. It was the only thing that fit how he was playing. On April 08 2013 11:12 gonzaw wrote:+ Show Spoiler +On April 08 2013 11:06 yamato77 wrote:
Gonzaw, what do you think about killing sinani? Hmm, not that convinced right now. If he's town that'd be better than a misslynch though.... ...but if that's what should happen, it'd be better to let him live until D2 at least...and maybe shoot him there  I won't shoot anybody that hasn't had a chance to "redeem" themselves yet. Sno being so damn awful could be tied to IRL stuff. I mean, he hasn't even voted yet, he may even get replaced/modkill. BC was seeking a replacement in the "Player Replacement" thread, and so far it seems Snoman is the one fitting that bill. He damn sure looks scummy though, but I'd wait until he shows up to do any shit and analyze what he does, or for his replacement to get here and analyze what he does (knowing that his predecessor was scummy as fuck) We can just vig him at night, either he if he just comes here to avoid modkill and does shit all, or his replacement if he gets replaced. I can save my day KP to D2, and there shoot guys that don't do shit. Seems the ability is more useful that way. I hate scummy guys replacing though  Something like that game can happen, where Ver was scum, got replaced, and his replacement acted in a way that made him survive until end-game or something. That sucks. Yeah, well the confidence about surviving night is an inference rather than direct read. Its more the certainty of town night KP that clarifies him as jack > day-vig. Either way; i know not all town read and look for the same things.. But, that you could recall this post so quickly post-hoc gonzaw death; makes me curious. At the same time, i dont think scum would be trying to get involved in identifying the kill as assassin in play so quickly. Both of us made fallacious comments regarding the matter though; you on the day-vig requirements ; me with the jack jay-vig requirements. All in all: I think this exchange firms up my read on you. What is my fallacious comment on day vig requirements?
What is fallacious is that you immediately jumped to a conclusion regarding the KP.
i.e You instantly knew it was from the assassin, yet, you did not understand how the day-vig operated.
It is fallacious because you are made a conclusion without grasping the full context of the situation.
It actually doesn't matter that you were right; because, originally, you were right for the wrong reasons.
+ Show Spoiler +On April 08 2013 13:13 Keirathi wrote:Show nested quote +On April 08 2013 13:04 Mocsta wrote:On April 08 2013 13:03 Keirathi wrote:
Oh hmm. I guess you are right Sharrant. It specifically says that Jack skills are bound by the same rules as its regular counterparts.
I honestly hadn't thought about it, and assumed that Jack sent in day kills silently, since his night vig kills would be silent. Keirathi, pls comment on my reversal of sharrant, where he knew that the assassin was the logical choice. Yet didnt even know how day-vig worked etc. I admit it's weird. Show nested quote +On April 08 2013 13:10 Sharrant wrote:On April 08 2013 13:04 Mocsta wrote:On April 08 2013 13:03 Keirathi wrote:
Oh hmm. I guess you are right Sharrant. It specifically says that Jack skills are bound by the same rules as its regular counterparts.
I honestly hadn't thought about it, and assumed that Jack sent in day kills silently, since his night vig kills would be silent. Keirathi, pls comment on my reversal of sharrant, where he knew that the assassin was the logical choice. Yet didnt even know how day-vig worked etc. I feel like you're trying to put suspicion on me, there's a reason I asked in the thread if day vig had to claim his shot. I was unaware of that restriction so thought dayvig could have been in play, but you said it couldn't have been because of the claim. So when Keirathi showed you were indeed correct, it showed that there was only one possible way he could have died, and you had enough information to know that too but you came to the wrong conclusion. Perhaps it was an earnest oversight on your part, but you should have known immediately. The fact you had referenced it so recently but failed to take it into consideration is suspicious. That you're trying to turn this around on me like that makes it doubly so to me. Then why are you not pressuring me? I also said that NRA was a possibility, and I'm the one that told you that day-vig had to type it in thread. But that's mostly irrelevant. The bigger question is why were you thinking so hard about what gonzaw's role was in the post you quoted? I specifically asked you about the day vig requirements, that's why. It came across to me as very unlikely that he could propose an idea on what happened when his entire idea is proven wrong by a piece of knowledge he already used in that same idea. IE Knowing that Gonzaw could not have been dayvigged because there was no shot in the thread, but not knowing that Gonzaw could not have shot because he did not write it in the thread. But you never stated anything similar, I had no reason to believe you had thought about that at the time, and it seems like you overlooked it both ways as opposed to in just one. And to answer your question, that was not thinking very hard. It was just fairly obvious as soon as he stated he would most likely withhold his shot. If he had no protection or night shot then he was forced to shoot today or have wasted his role. I think it's pretty simple to deduce from that post.
Im going to explain myself one last time, and then thats it. If you refuse to accept; then you are tunneled dear Sharrant.
Gonzaw died during the day.
I tried to figure out how he could die during the day, and listed roles.
I was looking at how gonzaw could die..... and wasnt considering how gonzaw could kill others.
i.e. gonzaw could die from NRA... i wasnt considering he had to initiate the visit by typing.
What dont you understand? If anything.. the authenticity of my actions regarding solving this make me confirmed town.
As I said before.. if you think i was trying to manipulate the thread into jumping all over NRA.. why would I say im looking for crumbs? and then before you accuse me of being scum... agree it was assassin?
You have a stupid fixation right now, and it needs to stop. This is shitting up the thread.
Im talking to you like this, because I think your actions/responses/pig-headed are indicative of town alignment.
If I thought you were scum, this exchange would be going down much different.
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On April 08 2013 13:34 geript wrote:+ Show Spoiler +I have the exact opposite read on this. Yes, I agree that they killed Gonzaw because he was active and we were forming around him, but I think this implicates VE far more than Artanis. I first considering VE going for NRA when I reread his filter from this post: On April 05 2013 11:55 VisceraEyes wrote:Now, I fully did NOT expect to be so high in the draft. As a result, I'm ill-prepared. On the one hand, I promised myself that if I was in the top 10 I'd try for a specific role. On the other hand, being SO high up makes me a good counter-picking candidate. However considering my low thread presence this game, I can understand reservations with this.
Of the top 5, I didn't think that either Rayn or Sno would take NRA member. I can't rule it out but it would seem exceptionally odd. I imagine that OO would take something else. The two who I could realistically see taking it are Sinani and VE. For me, VE confirmed it with this exchange: On April 07 2013 04:40 geript wrote:
VE I know you picked out of fear. Why?
On April 07 2013 04:47 VisceraEyes wrote:
What are you referring to? On April 07 2013 04:50 geript wrote:
Your role. On April 07 2013 04:50 VisceraEyes wrote:
Oh cool, and you want to out my role to the thread. Neat.
Seriously fuck this game. He acknowledges that in a sense that I both know his role and that he picked his role out of fear. That leads primarily to VE being the NRA member. Even Gonzaw agreed with me. On April 08 2013 12:13 gonzaw wrote:
There's a chance Sno or sinani took NRA member...
....goddamn now I feel so much better for not shooting either of them yet :/
The NRA member out of them and VE could claim, although it does seem it's likely VE.
For anyone at 1-5 place taking NRA member....it's weird as fuck if they are town. At that stage you wouldn't take NRA member I think. Oh well, geript did, but geript tried to be townie so it makes sense (neither sinani/Sno/VE tried to be townie, and I'd say OO and rayn don't seem to me like they'd take NRA member either if they are town).
Think with your head. You're being stupid Moc. This was not a kill to since Gonzaw from continuing on the Artanis train. I have a strong feeling like Artanis is town, I need to reread the cases and points again and his responses, but this kill has nothing to implicate Artanis. Geript, it is fantastic you have made it clear you think VE is scum.
There is no doubt that the entire thread knows your stance.
The issue is: VE has not added anything new to the table. Either in response to your qualms, or the thread sentiment.
Inactivity is not a scum tell, and your case is based on early play; so is not the strongest indicator.
Yes I expect more from VE; Yes I like your case on VE, [b]BUT[B/] we can only lynch one person a cycle.
The evidence is much harder; much more recent; and much more damning on Artanis[Xp].
Im also getting tired off you beating the same old drum repeatedly. Yes you need to stay on a scum target; but, VE is clearly not reciprocating. You need to find an alternative target to pass the time, whilst VE is not present.
I'm not against a VE lynch, heck, theres a very high chance both VE/Artanis are scum. Henceforth, VE would be more sound due to the possiblity of holding the highly valued NRA role. However, your train of thought is that Artanis is town.
I am curious to hear the reasonings when you have completed your read.
Unfortunately, it also places your VE read into jeopardy.
Why?
Because, the whole scenario reads as if you are so tunneled into VE being scum that you are willing to ignore everything else to secure your lynch. In fact, it actually reads more as a personal vendetta/challenge, than a genuine attempt to help town lynch scum.
Thus, with the "blinkers" on, can we even trust that VE is scum based on your logic? This is exacerbated by your rash claim that Artanis[Xp] is town.
Further, consider what Keirathi stated early Day 0. NRA is desirable for both alignments, and thus, does not add anything to your early case.
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On April 08 2013 13:41 yamato77 wrote:
Stop talking about this dumb shit, Mocsta.
What's your read on Oats?
Dick fuck. Someone is calling me scum. Repeatedly.
Dont tell me to stop talking about it. Tell him.
My latest read on Oats is here:
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=403766¤tpage=74#1464
For your benefit
+ Show Spoiler +On April 08 2013 09:33 Mocsta wrote:(3) Oats is starting to really cross the line for me from town -> null; possibly approaching slightly leaning scum. He has been nothing but disruptive; continuously cock-blocking scum hunting, to then throw a blanket "Vivax is scum" statement. The below is not a case; I just want to hear opinions on whether I am taking this interaction personally, or whether it indeed conflicts. Exhibit AShow nested quote +On April 07 2013 16:40 Oatsmaster wrote:Gonzaw you understand what I mean by GUT READ? (it means I felt that he was town reading the thread.) I agree that artanis looks scummy.I still want to lynch Vivax though, Im way more familar with his play and this does not feel like his town play. Also he is scummy!?!?! (so wishywashy right? ) Oats stance is clear: Thinks Artanis looks scummy; and then still wants to push the unfounded Vivax lynch.
Exhibit BShow nested quote +On April 07 2013 20:54 Oatsmaster wrote:
Lol just read Artanis' reply.
MTG was a 9 player mini bro.
Scum dont bus each other
They dont. Show nested quote +On April 07 2013 22:09 Oatsmaster wrote:
Artanis do you have reads?
defending yourself is fine and all but I prefer reads. To me its ambiguous how deep Oats finds Artanis scummy. The tone seems jovial; however, the words express suspicion. I find this interaction just weird overall. If i haphazard a guess; I would stick with the Exhibit A read: i.e. he finds him scummy.
Exhibit CShow nested quote +On April 07 2013 23:21 Oatsmaster wrote:On April 07 2013 22:58 Mocsta wrote:+ Show Spoiler [Regard Artanis] +
P.s.
U r right. Ur response was fine, it indeed made a effort to address each point.
Its why I have no requirement to question u further.
Its simple. The retort to gonzaw case was written from a scummy viewpoint.
Its obvious u put in effort. Unfortunately u couldn't remove yourself from the Mafia mindset.
Ur retort makes it clear u are doing things for town cred and are fully aware of how ur actions are perceived.
But in general the whole tone taken for the defence is of a guy with inherent guilt.
I'm going to bed. Will re read the exchange in the morning. But I'm pretty sure I'm going to get the same vibe.
That u so scummy.
Nite
*About Artanis[Xp]*Rid yourself of the fucking confirmation bias you have. You do the whole part about 'looking' townie as town too. To get influence to push your reads? Hmm? He is saying, I am confirmation biased for pushing Artanis as scum ?!?! Lets go back to Exhibit A please: " I agree that artanis looks scummy." This is quite a bizarre statement. Even in conjunction with Exhibit B, there is not enough doubt from Oats regarding Artanis alignment to suddenly think he is a town read. Even if he is making this post to attack my character; and not actually comment on this thoughts on Artanis.. what is the point regardless? Im pushing someone, he admitted he thinks looks scummy. I can't fathom what he is trying to achieve other than a "cock-block" by making that post.
Exhibit DShow nested quote +On April 08 2013 01:01 Oatsmaster wrote:
why do you care about the numbers Vivax?
Work for the scum that cant find work? Show nested quote +On April 08 2013 03:46 Oatsmaster wrote:
Vivax why do you need to explain a simple thing like
'Why are you voting for your scumreads scumread?'
Its not that hard, Is it? Or are you avoiding talking about anything else?
This is Oats addressing his #1 scumspect that has reentered the thread. To me: this doesnt read as a person critically challenging his scum target. Now those that know Oats, knows 90% of his questions are useless and have no actual purpose; so I wont hold this interaction against him. The problem is the follow exhibit.
Exhibit EShow nested quote +On April 08 2013 04:55 Oatsmaster wrote:
Im up for a lynch.
ANY LYNCH
prefer vivax.
Artanis works
##Vote: Artanis He says he prefers Vivax (which is fine follow through).. yet bandwagons on Artanis? LIke WTF? It hasnt even been clear Oats is a staunch supporter of the artanis wagon; yet, now jumps on. This is after Exhibit C, where he tries to ridicule me for being the first supporter (after Gonzaw) on the Artanis wagon?
I asked ppl to comment, no one did.
You know Oats as well as I, so would appreciate your feedback.
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On April 08 2013 13:56 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:
we can wifom what scum want us to think by the gonzaw kill from here till kingdom come but we won't get anywhere. Ultimately we need to stick with artanis as he has been consistently scummy and pushed by a now confirmed townie.
@Yamato. I'm really tired with you calling me scum and never backing it up, come up with some reasons or shut up.
Read on Yam pls.
Town, null, scum?
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On April 08 2013 14:01 Keirathi wrote:
Not interested in Oats at all.
Sometime I learned from the last 2 games where Oats was town and I lynched him (or at least, really wanted to): when Oats is in your face and every post he makes is annoying and you want to e-punch him, he's probably town.
I agree, in particular about the e-punch.
But, i also find him traditionally more helpful early game.
By end game he is an blatant sheeper. Perhaps hes just still looking for a shepherd.
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On April 08 2013 14:10 geript wrote:
@Moc Could you explain what you meant by how Artanis defended himself he couldn't remove the mafia mindset?
Sure.
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=403766¤tpage=66#1315
Yea in short, he chooses to asphyxiate himself onto keywords in each section; rather than address the whole argument.
He tries to blow up the small meaningless items out out of proportions; and ignores many of the key issues.
Because Im bored, I will share my thoughts on his retort (even though I have plenty of posts detailing the matter later on)
+ Show Spoiler +
(1) Introduction
Gonzaw keypoint: "The active players, criticised ideas and tried to move town forward"
Artanis: I pushed RNG => I was productive.
This doesnt even tackle the crux of what Gonzaw said.
Artanis concept of pushing the case is: "I pushed it when people weren't discussing it and asked people how they felt about it".
Thats not pushing anything, that is just bringing something to to attention and trying to satisfy the town check list.
He never tried to gain traction with the plan; the "pipe ups to be heard" lacked conviction - which even his biggest advocate (AustinMCC) admitted. Thus; whilst the plan was pro-town in nature, Artanis was not actually a great productive asset to town.
e.g. Just because a townie has the right read on a scummer, doesnt make the townie useful. He still needs to convince everyone that the particular target is scum. Artanis failed miserably in this regard.
Further, him criticising yamto is not a town tell. Scum have just as much want to control the flow of town, especially early game.
(2) "Hiding in plain sight" via set discussion
(a)
Gonzaw keypoint: "For instance, take yamatos filter as comparison. See how he approaches the discussion about role picking. Now check how Artanis approaches said discussion"
Artanis: completely ignores the key point to say: "I am contributing.
Therefore, he stands by: having an idea, and bringing it to the fore makes him town. - which is complete crap.
(b)
Gonzaw keypoint: "This is a fact: Artanis chimed in with setup discssuion, and even proposed a "pro-town plan", yet he had absolutely no impact in the game at all. He was just a passenger int he thread discussion."
Artanis: Admits all he did for this plan was "ask" for it to take off. Then gives excuses to why it shouldnt matter it didnt take off.
He doesnt comment on having no impact in the game; and instead chooses to come up with reasons for why the plan failed to gain traction; where all the reasons are not his fault. Yet ignores the simplest one, that gives him accountability. He lacked conviction, and never tried to elicit genuine reactions.
(3) Unnecessary complaints that happen out of place
(a)
Gonzaw keypoint: "Complains about thread sentiment to then say how good his idea is.. but still not trying to get it endorsed"
Artanis: Makes it clear I want people to talk about it
If I had a plan, i dont care about that.. I want my plan to take off.. here is a clear mafia mindset; I have an idea and want it discussed.. but i have no intention of doing anything with it.
(b)
Gonzaw keypoint: "Talks sparsely about many topics, to give the impression of keeping up with the thread"
Artanis: Thinks he says very much with a little words (completely missing the point). Then throws in the newbie card as well, saying hes not experienced in this style yet.
(4) Geript case
(a)
Gonzaw keypoint: the case is a dud
Artanis: "i also presented my suspicions a bit stronger than they were because i wanted people to actually pay attention to them"
Which is funny, because why couldnt he do this with RNG plan? Which he "truly believed in"???
That my friends, *is* a scum slip.
After further prodding, he adds in "but thats wrong. It IS something I believed in".. odd because above, he says he presented stronger than he thought it was. Conflict in story.
(5) Aggressive "fake" behaviour
Gonzaw keypoint: overtly ad-hominem"
Artanis: says his aggression is pressure.. which isnt the point. There is townie confident pressure. and there is scum overly antagonistic pressure.
I know this, because when im scum; I get a feeling over me to be antagonistic and put ppl down a lot more and call out stupid things. This is the whole ad-hominem side of things.
Now many disagreed with this section; because yes, a townie full of fury can go full ad-hom. But, typically there is a distinct build up to this point. Artanis is quite calm, and as soon as he sees something he latches onto; changes personality to ad-hom. This is completely ignored by his rebuttle.
(6) Other stuff
Gonzaw keypoint: flying under radar
Artanis: completely ignores the point; and says "yeah scum never mention scumbuddies" is wifom.
Whether true or not, doesnt address that artanis is flying under the radar.
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On April 08 2013 15:13 VisceraEyes wrote:
I just got back and wow. Jesus.
So...there's a lot to take in. I know I'm not much of a presence in this game, but I seriously need to reread everything before I post again. My initial thoughts before doing so: scum trying to set me up maybe? -.-
God I look horrible.
*Fluff*
This post reminds me of your reaction to Snarfs when he proceeded to bus you without your consent in Nomination Mafia.
Enjoy the catchup read.
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On April 08 2013 15:26 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:Show nested quote +On April 08 2013 14:59 yamato77 wrote:On April 08 2013 14:36 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:On April 08 2013 14:04 Mocsta wrote:On April 08 2013 13:56 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:
we can wifom what scum want us to think by the gonzaw kill from here till kingdom come but we won't get anywhere. Ultimately we need to stick with artanis as he has been consistently scummy and pushed by a now confirmed townie.
@Yamato. I'm really tired with you calling me scum and never backing it up, come up with some reasons or shut up. Read on Yam pls. Town, null, scum? He's an idiot for one, right now I have a lot of people (Artanis, Shevlocke, Vivax, Sharrant, VE etc.) who I care more about than yamato. He's been largely afk after an active start. I hate using this because I feel like it's a cop out but I'm just gonna put him as null and come back to it when it actually matters. I have you as scum because you're commenting on me calling you scum a million times and yet your contributions to anything in the thread are shallow at best. Do something. eh I guess you're still stupid. Of course I'm commenting on you calling me scum, you've called me scum but never justified it, your reasons for calling me scum are self fulfilling. I've contributed ten times more than you have to the actual relevant discussion that has occurred today. Done talking to you until you can either a) write an actual case about me or b) come up with some interesting reads (other than sheeping me and gonzaw on artanis).
This whole exchange is weird, and is primarily the reason I asked for your read on Yam.
You see, when I read this: I get the feeling you are talking to someone that you believe is town.
Yet you called him null.
Its a similar interaction to how I talk to Oats when I think he is town.. annoys the fuck out of me, but you accept it.
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On April 06 2013 08:35 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
Are you saying that like Vivax he rolls scum in 100% of his games regardless of his role PM?
Artanis[Xp]
Want to give a read on Vivax pl0x.
Even though this comment was a figure of speech, Vivax is in this game.
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On April 08 2013 17:19 yamato77 wrote:+ Show Spoiler +On April 08 2013 17:18 Shelvocke wrote:
I think yamato shot gonzaw. I can't prove it, but it's the explanation that makes best sense to me right now going by people's reactions. I'm not entirely sure if he's the kind of person who would do that as town, but just skimming through the last normalish town game of his (Town Aint Big Mafia), I think it's entirely possible. Going to sleep on this, but that's where I'm at right now. If I shot Gonzaw, you would know. And no, I wouldn't do that as town. I shoot lurky/trollish people. Vig shots are for unreadables.
Kurumi can attest to that in personality2
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On April 08 2013 17:27 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
Yeah, because killing the person who put a massive case on you doesn't get you even more attention.
The basic level is that they figured out Gonzaw was a jack and that gonzaw is a strong town player. There is no more motivation needed, anything else is a bonus. Especially since I'm not actually scum and it gives a great argument to push my lynch home.
The timing is convenient as well. Give gonzaw plenty of time to hammer his point through rather than immediately after his case to make sure it's still on everyone's mind. Come on Yamato, think critically here.
Wifom at its best sir.
Firstly. As I pointed out prior. To those role hunting. Gonzaw outted himself about 12hrs ago.
Yes the reasons u listed are completely valid reasons to kill him. Its also possible they waited for an opportune time. U know. 2 birds 1 stone.
But ultimately as yam pointed out. There is no way to ascertain when the kill order was given. So its all wifom. Hence ur point with timing is wifom.
Simple take is. He dead and scum assassin confirmed in the game. Its a popular role, so could even surmise its in the top 8 picks.
.......
P.s. I re read your filter. My thoughts haven't changed.
And in hindsight, ur plan wasn't that pro town.
U only wanted one or two ppl to RNG, at their liberty.
And importantly, u even said it was only relevant if the yam plan got traction. Yeah u pushed it a couple times, but considering u were aware it success hinged upon the traction of something else. Its not even a good plan at face value.
Lastly, in ur gonzaw defends. I'm having a very hard time believing u when u state u overplayed the geript case more than u felt it was worth. To me it felt like u were banking on it pretty hard.
Second lastly, u said u was going to scum hunt. All I have seen is a large list post, nominating some as scummy. With zero followup or pressure.
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What's ya point artanis.
Your conclusion is ur death won't be prevented. So why argue whether yam thinks u sscummier post gonzaw.
Sounds to me like u trying to shit up the thread
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I will come back to u later artanis when I have comp access.
BTW, u dodged my query about pressure/follow up with ya scumspects.
I don't care who u think is town or scum. I care how u go about scum hunting.
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On April 08 2013 17:51 Artanis[Xp] wrote:Show nested quote +On April 08 2013 17:48 Mocsta wrote:
What's ya point artanis.
Your conclusion is ur death won't be prevented. So why argue whether yam thinks u sscummier post gonzaw.
Sounds to me like u trying to shit up the thread Because I think it's a bullshit reason and I'm calling people out for voting on me for bullshit reasons. Are you not interested in people jumping on my bandwagon, or is anyone that votes me automatically town?
No. But yam is town regardless of voting u.
Frankly I'm surprised u aren't reacting to bill Murray.
That was a scummy as fuck vote if I seen one. Yet here u antagonise a player u know will bite back.
Henceforth: shitting up the thread
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On April 08 2013 18:13 yamato77 wrote:Show nested quote +On April 08 2013 06:46 sinani206 wrote:
gonzaw are you going to claim exactly what your role is? This post alone is enough for me, actually. ##Vote Sinani
Because you think an scum assassin is that stupid to either implicate themselves as assassin; or themselves as scum hunting for team assassin?
Im disapointed how easily you have been swayed off Artanis. This whole exchange has resulted in logic changes too quickly for my liking. I dont really give a fuck whether his reads are synonymous with yours; because what he espoused was a rehash of I believe Keirathi.
Someone already specifically highlighted the "safe" text.
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On April 08 2013 18:09 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
Shelvocke is still my top priority.
This puts me in a quandry; I can't see scum leading a bandwagon on another scum.
Artanis, are you going to be online in 4 to 5 hrs time?
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On April 08 2013 18:29 Artanis[Xp] wrote:Show nested quote +On April 08 2013 18:25 Mocsta wrote:On April 08 2013 18:09 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
Shelvocke is still my top priority. This puts me in a quandry; I can't see scum leading a bandwagon on another scum. Artanis, are you going to be online in 4 to 5 hrs time? I should be home at 5pm CEST and have some time then. I should be working right now honestly.
i dunno wat 5pm cest means heheh
its 5:30 here, and im afk for next 3-4 hrs
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On April 08 2013 18:25 yamato77 wrote:
I don't trust you, Moc, so it's okay, I don't really care what you think.
Sinani is a better lynch. Less reason to think he's town.
no1 is going to sheep u whilst im here.
that im certain of.
after all, your the guy that started off strong and then decided to hide under the guise of.. doing my own scum hunting.
so far all im reading is u joining ya scum reads scum target.. after he gave a summary of someone elses read.
if this is the new yam 2.0; i am thoroughly not impressed; not that u care of course.
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On April 08 2013 18:32 Artanis[Xp] wrote:Show nested quote +On April 08 2013 18:31 Mocsta wrote:On April 08 2013 18:29 Artanis[Xp] wrote:On April 08 2013 18:25 Mocsta wrote:On April 08 2013 18:09 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
Shelvocke is still my top priority. This puts me in a quandry; I can't see scum leading a bandwagon on another scum. Artanis, are you going to be online in 4 to 5 hrs time? I should be home at 5pm CEST and have some time then. I should be working right now honestly. i dunno wat 5pm cest means heheh its 5:30 here, and im afk for next 3-4 hrs There's a convenient timer for you at the top right corner.
kk 6 hrs. i will try to be around. but cant guarantee
gotta go. ciao
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