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raynpelikoneet
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On March 30 2013 09:17 Keirathi wrote: Again: scum do this ALL THE TIME. Do you want examples? Okay. I did not know that. I think they are dumb. Distraction would be in my eyes 1000x more beneficial than some town credit in this situation. But that's the reason i read s&b as town. | ||
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On March 30 2013 09:23 marvellosity wrote: Scum defend townies because townies defend townies. And scum do what townies do so they look like townies. It's not a very difficult concept. Yes i understand that. Scum also do not want to say what they do not deed to say. An organized co-working D1 town is a disaster for mafia. That's why i think s&b's defence on me was really really a townie act. 1) Prevent a possible shitstorm between me / OO 2) Keep town organized | ||
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On March 30 2013 09:31 ObviousOne wrote: When I shadoweded VE in Nomination, oats and Mocsta went head to head for 17 pages. They both ende up looking very very town. Mafia would want to head that kind of thing off sometimes. Chaos is not the only kind of misdirection. I think it is, at least at the stage the game was at that point. But that's irrelevant and not worth discussing as i disagree with you three about this. Anyways that was the reason. | ||
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On March 30 2013 09:40 marvellosity wrote: Kei and I have 60 games between us. My reads may not always be correct, but stuff like that isn't really something you can argue about. Well there are different approaches to mafia for everyone and i do not think having a different approach is right/worng. It's all about identificating the motives behind peoples actions. Scumplay can be handled very differently and in my mind i didn't see that defence coming from scum!s&b. Maybe i was wrong or right or maybe we are both right here, idk. | ||
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raynpelikoneet
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On March 30 2013 09:42 ObviousOne wrote: If anything you were doing what you claim to be a mafia tell - trying to start a big fight in the thread with me to create that large disruption. You corroborate that this is a tactic you feel is viable for scum and you may have attempted to draw me into a large argument over it. Can you show me where i was trying to start a fight with you? | ||
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Can you point out why you think he is scum so we can discuss that? | ||
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On March 30 2013 10:06 Keirathi wrote: Fine. Here's scum S&B defending me for no reason in Chrono Trigger (it wasn't even a lynch day...we were electing a Mayor). He really had no reason to defend me. He just used the defense of me to start slinging suspicion at Hapa: If you still want to discuss this okay then: See the difference in defences? Most notably the difference in effort s&b put into this compared to the defence in my case. | ||
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On March 30 2013 10:14 Keirathi wrote: Sorry, it's kind of spam at this point because the discussion is completely irrelevant. (Well, not completely. If you are scum, it would be in your best interest to have a town read on S&B for defending you, when by all logic you shouldn't. But meh) We can discuss it in post-game. Yeah let's drop this as it's irrelevant. You asked for my reasons, i gave them. You believe it or not. ^^ Simple. | ||
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On March 30 2013 10:17 ObviousOne wrote: Acro is also on the campaign against me that SNB was running from - that my word choice somehow espouses a mafia mindset. The only point regarding me I felt had any value at all was that I was putting in a lot of effort and he gave me the null stamp. I have to agree with Acro on this. A lot of your reads (even your case on me from D1) is full of "might or might not be". I don't like that, because as mafia you are already giving yourself an out by saying "i might be wrong but...". What I did not like about Acro's action N1 was questioning why/what was to be gained from looking at how the D1 lynch wagon came about. Funny that he wouldn't want that to be discussed when he was 100% absolutely no-question certain that Nisani was mafia for most of D1. How better to shut down that conversation than to discredit the only person willing to put in the work to do it? I agree with Acro on this also. I think most of your N1 "plan" was based on that sinani is mafia (which town can't know). That would be a lot of discussion worth nothing (or needed to be revisited) if sinani in fact is town. | ||
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On March 30 2013 10:21 marvellosity wrote: Apparently rayn is mafia in XXXIX this makes me think considerably worse of him here (sorry man) see you all tomorrow wow, a meta case on me. I play the same as town or mafia, believe or not, jsut that my intentions are different. But go on and expand this, you have been willing to do this a while anyways. I'm willing to hear that. | ||
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On March 30 2013 10:24 ObviousOne wrote: The plan was to look into it and try to draw conclusions from it. Why are people so thick about this? Fuck-all else was happening in the thread anyhow. Seriously. I did some leg-work. During night phase. When people were sleeping. I drew my own conclusions from it. This is simple shit. Mountains from molehills up in this piece. I didn't like the approach. I explained it in thread before. If we want to analyze the Nisani/sinani/Keir wagons we should look into why people decided to vote any of those people and not just look into the Nisani wagon. | ||
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On March 30 2013 10:26 marvellosity wrote: it's just brief; I actually will look into you tomorrow now. For the longest time I had written you off as paranoid town. XXXIX shows you're perfectly happy to take the lead as mafia (very few are). I don't really have an opinion of you now in this game. Yes i am happy to take the lead as mafia. I want to make the game go my way whatever alignment i am. The better players the harder that is. I think i already said (on D1) that i play the same as mafia as i do as town, especially on D1. | ||
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On March 30 2013 10:27 raynpelikoneet wrote: I didn't like the approach. I explained it in thread before. If we want to analyze the Nisani/sinani/Keir wagons we should look into why people decided to vote any of those people and not just look into the Nisani wagon. Could you answer me about this? Was this everything why you think Acro is scum? Hapa why do you think Acro is scum? | ||
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Like why is Dandel over prplhz? Also what makes you think OO is town? | ||
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[QUOTE]On March 30 2013 22:04 ObviousOne wrote: [QUOTE]On March 30 2013 22:02 Oatsmaster wrote: Rayn, get useful fast. Response to Acro and Keir's case and my case and relationship with sinani please. [/QUOTE] I went through Acro's filter. I could definitely see him being scum. I noticed the same thing that Keirathi bases his case on (saying we're not lynching marv -> making a case on marv). I missed it earlier because i thought i only argued with DI (and Oats?) about the "accusing marv will cause a shitfest, therefore he can't be lynched on D1" thing. Anothir thing i find out that points towards him being scum is that i notice a lot of similarities in his play that i do when i am scum. That is carefully pointing fingers all over the place. He comments on like everything that's happening on thread, but in most of the cases this doesn't seem to be leading him anywhere. I don't know how to explain it better.. And the "you can't lynch me anyways" is really really weird thing. If he is claiming a power i can't see that being a town power at all. So yes, i can definitely see Acro being scum. I do not think Acro and sinani are scum together. [QUOTE]On March 30 2013 22:31 marvellosity wrote: [QUOTE]On March 29 2013 21:29 raynpelikoneet wrote: Smurf will receive one of my votes. [/QUOTE] rayn, can you tell me towards the end of Day 1, what you say in Smurf's posting that you thought made sense?[/QUOTE] Mostly his defence on prplhz. It made sense to me, however i didn't look it in the light other people brought up; that he actually defended prplhz by meta before prplhz even started to post for real. I just read Smurf's filter and what he said made sense to me. | ||
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On March 30 2013 22:10 Oatsmaster wrote: Rayn, get useful fast. Response to Acro and Keir's case and my case and relationship with sinani please. I went through Acro's filter. I could definitely see him being scum. I noticed the same thing that Keirathi bases his case on (saying we're not lynching marv -> making a case on marv). I missed it earlier because i thought i only argued with DI (and Oats?) about the "accusing marv will cause a shitfest, therefore he can't be lynched on D1" thing. Anothir thing i find out that points towards him being scum is that i notice a lot of similarities in his play that i do when i am scum. That is carefully pointing fingers all over the place. He comments on like everything that's happening on thread, but in most of the cases this doesn't seem to be leading him anywhere. I don't know how to explain it better.. And the "you can't lynch me anyways" is really really weird thing. If he is claiming a power i can't see that being a town power at all. So yes, i can definitely see Acro being scum. I do not think Acro and sinani are scum together. On March 30 2013 22:31 marvellosity wrote: rayn, can you tell me towards the end of Day 1, what you say in Smurf's posting that you thought made sense? Mostly his defence on prplhz. It made sense to me, however i didn't look it in the light other people brought up; that he actually defended prplhz by meta before prplhz even started to post for real. I just read Smurf's filter and what he said made sense to me. | ||
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