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On March 27 2013 01:55 cDgCorazon wrote:
Scratching the surface = throwing out baseless accusations and not following them up
I also love how you leave out your random feelings that Oats and Smurf are scum. Way to only answer the points that I might not be right on. That is ridiculously scummy.
How the fuck i'm supposed to follow up my accusation on OO when he has not answered it yet? Noone has pointed out why the case is bad so i'm waiting on OO to answer it first.
If you can't find out why i think Oats & Smurf are scum by reading my filter then it's your fault not mine. Anyways your case is total bullshit.
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I had no questions. I was telling why you are scum.
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EBWOP: Above directed to OO
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On March 27 2013 02:46 ObviousOne wrote:Show nested quote +On March 27 2013 02:43 raynpelikoneet wrote:
I had no questions. I was telling why you are scum. Oh. That's cool. Carry on then. You don't have to try to convince me I'm scum. While you're here, summarize your feelings about Grack for me, 'kay?
On March 27 2013 02:47 cDgCorazon wrote:Show nested quote +On March 27 2013 02:02 raynpelikoneet wrote:On March 27 2013 01:55 cDgCorazon wrote:
Scratching the surface = throwing out baseless accusations and not following them up
I also love how you leave out your random feelings that Oats and Smurf are scum. Way to only answer the points that I might not be right on. That is ridiculously scummy. How the fuck i'm supposed to follow up my accusation on OO when he has not answered it yet? Noone has pointed out why the case is bad so i'm waiting on OO to answer it first. If you can't find out why i think Oats & Smurf are scum by reading my filter then it's your fault not mine. Anyways your case is total bullshit. I never said your case about OO was not detailed or followed up. I said it was the only one that wasn't a random accusation. If it's total bullshit you would tell me why all the points are total bullshit, not just the ones that are decently easy to push to the side. "Oats and Smurf are scum because they are scum, you idiot" isn't a defense.
I do not want to re-explain my thoughts. Everything you guys ask me in these posts are in my filter. I'd rather not waste my time on things i have already explained. It's your job to look it up.
Now excuse me, i gtg to eat.
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OO: What makes Grack more scummy than Cora?
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Nisani: Why does Smurf look town now?
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OO:
Yes i am usually quite aggressive, tbh as both alignments. That's my way of getting information, you are right about that.
To be honest i don't like the Grack lynch at all. For me it feels like it's an easy lynch on a townie who didn't think what he was posting at the start of the game and now everyone just jumps on him so it's even harder for him to do anything other than defend himself. By your words Grack is doing exactly what Cora is doing - tunneling a townie with made up shit (because, really, Cora has shitty reasons on me - if he read my filter he would for example see why i am suspicious of Oats & Smurf).
I think you should look elsewhere than Grack. I personally feel (given that you actually do something that changes my mind on you) Oats/Smurf are most likely to flip scum. I don't like Nisani's post at all (Smurf = town stuff), i don't like prplhz lurking, i don't remember anything about sinani.
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On March 27 2013 04:45 Nisani201 wrote:Show nested quote +On March 27 2013 04:40 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Nisani: Why does Smurf look town now? He never looked scum. The case he made was scumbait, it didn't catch anyone, he backpedaled, and now he's contributing to the thread.
Elaborate please. He even defended his case when it was called out.
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On March 27 2013 04:59 cDgCorazon wrote:
Rayn are you going to call me scum or not? I asked you that about 16 hours ago and you still haven't answered.
You've said all this shit about how I'm suspicious but you haven't said I'm scummy. There's no way there are as many scum as people you have called suspicious. Where do you draw the line between acting suspicious and acting scummy?
Sorry. I don't think you are scum.
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EBWOP: I have not said you are suspicious either, i have just said you are wrong.
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On March 27 2013 05:01 ObviousOne wrote:Show nested quote +On March 27 2013 05:00 raynpelikoneet wrote:On March 27 2013 04:59 cDgCorazon wrote:
Rayn are you going to call me scum or not? I asked you that about 16 hours ago and you still haven't answered.
You've said all this shit about how I'm suspicious but you haven't said I'm scummy. There's no way there are as many scum as people you have called suspicious. Where do you draw the line between acting suspicious and acting scummy? Sorry. I don't think you are scum. Why did you ask me about him being scum if he wasn't a scum read of yours?
Because as you read me as town i wanted to know why you feel different about Grack/Cora. I explained it in a couple of posts ago. Both of them by your words are attacking a townie with shit, why is Grack sure to be scum but Cora is not?
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On March 27 2013 05:04 ObviousOne wrote:
EBWOP:
To add, it reads to me like you are potentially looking for support on lynching people who are suspicious of you without calling them scum. You are also indirectly defending Grack by having me consider him as a candidate today.
No, i will not support lynching Cora. Because i think he is town.
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On March 27 2013 05:05 ObviousOne wrote:
EBWOP: (sorry for triple)
To finish the thought, you're really just defending Grack outright without giving me a proper alternative and I don't like it.
I just gave you some names who are not you.
Oats / Smurf. Why not lynch them?
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On March 27 2013 05:11 Oatsmaster wrote:Show nested quote +On March 27 2013 05:07 raynpelikoneet wrote:On March 27 2013 05:05 ObviousOne wrote:
EBWOP: (sorry for triple)
To finish the thought, you're really just defending Grack outright without giving me a proper alternative and I don't like it. I just gave you some names who are not you. Oats / Smurf. Why not lynch them? Get off your ridiculous reasoning and tell us why other than 'go look at my filter, I cba to explain it to you' If you dont know specifically why or if you cant concisely put down a few reasons, how could we think of these people as scum? (yes it includes me, no thats not the point)
Okay, here is your fucking reasoning:
Oats:
Oats is calling S&B scum for his bad case and Smurf he is leaning town on for equally bad case. Both of the cases are based on same (apparently false/bad) meta-reads. After being called out does a full 180. Has no scum reads other than slightly leaning scum on Smurf (in that 180).
Smurf:
Smurf is leaving out stuff that does not speak in favor of his DI case. Stuff that he should have obviously checked. Does defend the case later on when people call him out on it. Can't be any sort of reaction test (rofl Nisani). Other than that this is all he has done:
On March 27 2013 03:04 InsertSmurfHere wrote:
Cora, you have essentially one read that you've fleshed out, and that read has met significant resistance with the thread. Why don't you give a read on a different player? I know you are capable of this as town, I saw it in Duel. Hop off your tunnel train for a minute and realize I want something more alignment indicative out of you than this attack on rayn.
Called Cora out. How is he allowed to tell Cora to do something other than go after me when he hasn't done shit other than an scummy case?
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On March 27 2013 06:16 cDgCorazon wrote:Show nested quote +On March 27 2013 06:14 Hapahauli wrote:
Ok I expected a bit more resistance to a guy you were convinced was scum than that. It's a bit weak but I need to get out of this mindset where I tunnel people. It's my biggest flaw in town play. I'm suspicious of him still, but he's done enough not to land my vote so far (he's started to consolidate his reads a bit more and hasn't acted as paranoid).I wanted to pressure Yamato anyways. He's basically being hypocritical when he's calling me out for not scum hunting.
The problem i have with you is this:
You said i was attacking Oats / Smurf with no reasoning. You had surely read my filter because you made a big post with a lot of quotes from me. You just conveniently left out the posts where i explain why i think they are scum. Hell, the posts are next to the ones you quoted in this post:
On March 27 2013 01:22 cDgCorazon wrote:You haven't attacked anyone? Really? + Show Spoiler +On March 26 2013 07:55 raynpelikoneet wrote:
I'll throw the first stone:
##Vote: prplhz for not following his own advice! On March 26 2013 08:00 raynpelikoneet wrote:
A perfectly valid case. Says we need to not spam and has three posts in the first four.
Are you his scumbuddy Cora? On March 26 2013 08:05 raynpelikoneet wrote:
What's with the ninja vote marv? On March 26 2013 10:25 raynpelikoneet wrote:
On top of that marv & Keir seem to be quite defensive about prplhz. Why not let the guy answer himself? On March 26 2013 21:43 raynpelikoneet wrote:I have one problem with marv. He pressure voted me early on in the game. When i asked his what's up with the ninja vote, he posted this: Show nested quote +On March 26 2013 08:11 marvellosity wrote:On March 26 2013 08:05 raynpelikoneet wrote:
What's with the ninja vote marv? Just curious how you'd react given you totally overreacted to prplhz. I can join Hapa on his policy lynch though, so you're in luck ^^ ##Unvote
##Vote: ObviousOne If he really thought i overreacted to prplhz why wouldn't he pressure me more? Was the "what's up with the ninja vote" somekinda secret townie answer i gave? If i was marv and i thought someone overreacted to something and i was already pressuring him, i would definitely keep the pressure on to try to find more clues about their alignment. Here he just completely drops the issue and changes his vote to a policy target (which i do not see serving any purpose in finding mafia). On March 26 2013 23:08 raynpelikoneet wrote:
I am starting to have an urge to lynch Oats. On March 26 2013 23:25 raynpelikoneet wrote:
And i personally think Smurf's case is totally more likely to be made by a mafioso than S&B's. Really? What I see here is lots of accusations but nothing behind them (although the Marv suspicion was decent, I'll admit that).
Last two quotes. Why did you miss my reasoning on my reads on those people?
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On March 27 2013 06:27 cDgCorazon wrote:
Rayn why are you attacking me alongside others? This is another play of yours that is annoying the crap out of me.
Don't follow thread sentiment, do some actual thinking.
I'm sorry. When is the good time to ask you that question? Day 7?
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On March 27 2013 06:49 cDgCorazon wrote:Show nested quote +On March 27 2013 06:44 raynpelikoneet wrote:On March 27 2013 06:27 cDgCorazon wrote:
Rayn why are you attacking me alongside others? This is another play of yours that is annoying the crap out of me.
Don't follow thread sentiment, do some actual thinking. I'm sorry. When is the good time to ask you that question? Day 7? Perhaps not at the same time as Hapa and Marv are getting on me. You're just trying to kick others while they are down. I wouldn't have said anything had this been the first time.
Look:
- I made my case on OO when i woke up. The role pm stuff (which i found stupid anyways) was already history.
- I was the one who started questioning Oats. First about his "marv can't be lynched on D1 stuff" and then i brought up his scummy behaviour.
I am not kicking anyone when they are down. If you could just answer me why did you miss that stuff i talked about so i can move on?
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Why is everyone ignoring the prime suspects like OO/Oats/Smurf/even Nisani, who conviniently disappeared when shit started to drop on Cora/me/whoever else is accused.
Stop on Cora, he is town. Grack posts on the latter part of D1, if not, we lynch the shit out of him.
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Look Palmar, Cora is just being dumb. Why can't you see that?
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PALMAR LET GO OF CORA AND GRACK AND FOCUS ON SCUM LIKE OO/OATS/SMURF/NISANI PLZ!
Don't you see thye have disappeared when townies call out other townies and laugh in the background. Man, you should be able to see that.
Who of those guys are mafia?
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