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On April 03 2013 04:14 marvellosity wrote:I would argue letting someone he knew was a vote-rigger rig a double lynch is pretty damn retarded 
First of all, i did not know how his rig would work.
Second of all, you had this information before the lynch. Why didn't you go screaming THE GUY WHO SHOT GRACK, IF YOU ARE TOWN YOU NEED TO KILL ACRO ASAP!!!!
You are saying you knew he was sure mafia and should have been killed before the deadline. Why the fuck didn't you do anything to convince the guy who shot Grack (me) to shoot him in case it was not a one-shot vigi (which it clearly wasn't?
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On April 03 2013 05:12 Keirathi wrote:Show nested quote +On April 03 2013 05:07 raynpelikoneet wrote:On April 03 2013 04:14 marvellosity wrote:I would argue letting someone he knew was a vote-rigger rig a double lynch is pretty damn retarded First of all, i did not know how his rig would work. Second of all, you had this information before the lynch. Why didn't you go screaming THE GUY WHO SHOT GRACK, IF YOU ARE TOWN YOU NEED TO KILL ACRO ASAP!!!!You are saying you knew he was sure mafia and should have been killed before the deadline. Why the fuck didn't you do anything to convince the guy who shot Grack (me) to shoot him in case it was not a one-shot vigi (which it clearly wasn't? This is a dumb argument. You hadn't claimed at the time. There was no reason to suspect that whoever had day-vigged Grack, if they were town, could day-vig again. And if they were scum, they obviously wouldn't want to. I asked myself the same question last night: "Self, when rayn said that Acro was a vote rigger, why didn't you just ask right then for someone to day-vig him if possible?" And the honest answer was because it just never crossed my mind as a possibility.
Yes i get what you and marv are saying. But as i have explained i didn't cross my mind that Acro could possibly rig both of the lynches. And it was damn sure the vig from D1 was not scum or one-shot, maybe JOAT but not one-shot or scum. It just didn't make sense.
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On April 03 2013 05:00 Keirathi wrote:Show nested quote +On April 03 2013 04:53 marvellosity wrote:
Also Oats hasn't voted, hopefully he doesn't get modkilled :/ Neither has Smurf. TBH I was toying around with the idea of asking people to vote sinani today and playing to the Smurf modkill since he's obviously not coming back, and sinani is going to be the lynch tomorrow anyways. Only reason I didn't is because, assuming prplhz is telling the truth, then smurf has a gun right now 
Let's all vote for sinani. Me + Smurf + prplhz scumteam, everyone dies before D4. (Our master plan. )
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this means you must give the gun to a vanilla town.
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On April 03 2013 06:09 Keirathi wrote:Show nested quote +On April 03 2013 06:04 raynpelikoneet wrote:
this means you must give the gun to a vanilla town. I actually disagree at this point. He gives a gun to you. Yes, it sucks for you if you are town. But, you are by far town's biggest threat. And even with you dying, we'll still have 4 townies alive tomorrow to 2 scum (assuming you are town, of course). Which means we lynch sinani and prplhz and win.
And we outright lose if mafia has ability to kill 2 ppl the next night..
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i can tell you if prplhz is giving a gun to me i won't be shotting him.
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On April 03 2013 06:28 marvellosity wrote:Show nested quote +On April 03 2013 06:26 raynpelikoneet wrote:On April 03 2013 06:09 Keirathi wrote:On April 03 2013 06:04 raynpelikoneet wrote:
this means you must give the gun to a vanilla town. I actually disagree at this point. He gives a gun to you. Yes, it sucks for you if you are town. But, you are by far town's biggest threat. And even with you dying, we'll still have 4 townies alive tomorrow to 2 scum (assuming you are town, of course). Which means we lynch sinani and prplhz and win. And we outright lose if mafia has ability to kill 2 ppl the next night.. no, because we have our lynch.
6-2.
Mafia kills 2 ppl.
4-2
You lynch one.
3-1
Mafia kills 2 ppl
GG
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But the fact is prplhz and sinani are scum. And we have no way of knowing what their powers are.
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If prplhz isn't lying about his role and gave a gun to sinani this/last night we have just lost the game after tonight i'm saying...
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On April 03 2013 06:44 Hapahauli wrote:Show nested quote +On April 03 2013 06:42 raynpelikoneet wrote:
If prplhz isn't lying about his role and gave a gun to sinani this/last night we have just lost the game after tonight i'm saying... Scum do not have 2KP. Where are you getting this from? They've only shot one player the last two nights. Unless they've been withholding it for some reason, which is nonsensical.
So Palmar was not double stacked? Y U so sure about that? Or that prplhz didn't kill Palmar and is scum?
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On April 03 2013 06:48 marvellosity wrote:
There was no KP last night, doesn't seem like mafia have a tonne of KP lying around.
Unless sinani sent in both. You explained it earlier. Idk how it usually works, but is this not possible?
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On April 03 2013 06:49 Hapahauli wrote:Show nested quote +On April 03 2013 06:47 raynpelikoneet wrote:On April 03 2013 06:44 Hapahauli wrote:On April 03 2013 06:42 raynpelikoneet wrote:
If prplhz isn't lying about his role and gave a gun to sinani this/last night we have just lost the game after tonight i'm saying... Scum do not have 2KP. Where are you getting this from? They've only shot one player the last two nights. Unless they've been withholding it for some reason, which is nonsensical. So Palmar was not double stacked? Y U so sure about that? Or that prplhz didn't kill Palmar and is scum? Palmar wasn't double-stacked 'cause I got shot and saved N1. It is no doubt possible that prplhz killed Palmar, hence the plans being speculated in-thread right now.
So scum has 2 KP somehow then. Because i am not scum, this means prphz/sinani must be mafia.
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On April 03 2013 07:17 Keirathi wrote:@rayn: It's really odd to me how you bitched about prplhz giving a gun to Smurf instead of sinani: Show nested quote +But the point is if sinani flipped blue by now you would know who the rest of the scumteam is!! But you're so staunchly opposing any plan that results in you dying, even though that directly tells the WHOLE THREAD[/b[ who the rest of the scumteam is.
See what happened now? If scum somehow kill 3 ppl, we have not lost.. But we could be sure it's prplhz who are giving out guns. Now, if scum kill 3 ppl. We know prplhz is scum. But we have to [b]guess which one of sinani/prpl is giving out guns, and if we guess wrong we lose.
I don't care if i die tonight, but there is a chance we lose if prplhz kills me. And arguing about if prpl should kill me or not is pointless either way because if he is scum he probably will anyways. If you "confirmed" town oppose the idea we atleast know he is scum if i die..
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See what happened now? If scum somehow kill 3 ppl, we have not lost.. But we can't be sure it's prplhz who are giving out guns. Now, if scum kill 3 ppl. We know prplhz is scum. But we have to guess which one of sinani/prpl is giving out guns, and if we guess wrong we lose.
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TLDR: If scum kill 3 ppl tonight, we have no way of knowing if prplhz/sinani is the one who has the "delayed KP". And if we guess wrong we lose.
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On April 03 2013 07:35 Keirathi wrote:
And even if they can, we have no way to stop it because we as town don't have any KP or protection aside from yours, rayn.
Which is why, if you are town, you need to be hitting one of prplhz/sinani and praying.
The only way i see mafia having 3 KP is if you tell prplhz to kill me, which ends up in losing a townie.. :E
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And if i was scum i would kill you/Cora & Hapa either way so no... I'm not scum and prplhz should not kill me.
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