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kitaman27
United States9244 Posts
On March 30 2013 10:14 ThePeashooter wrote:
So Kita, one thing that has been bugging me. When I asked you to post your thoughts on Wade Fell after putting forth an analysis on him, why didn't you do it? You literally never wrote anything about him at all. I'm curious to how you never thought to mention the most active/scummy/annoying player in the game at least once in your posting?
I don't recall. I probably just missed the request since its not like I would purposely ignore something if asked.
Day two I was mostly focused on WoS with my big case and then Wiggles after the dt claim. Generally I let early blue claims fix themselves with the night hits and take another look if they're still around latter. BH hadn't really caught my attention while I was looking elsewhere.
The one thing that is bugging me is that how few people are willing to defend glurio, yet there are only a couple votes on him.
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On March 30 2013 09:59 Kenpachi wrote:
I have it out here: Ryu, DYH, geript all mafia
so you think me and DYH are scum together, and I'm bussing him?
This is all you have to say? loool
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Well I'm going to go back and reread. My vote on WoS is obviously doing no good right now.
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kitaman27
United States9244 Posts
On March 24 2013 07:15 glurio wrote:
Yes coag looked very scummy, but everyone put it down to "meta" and they had a town read, no one even considered a coag lynch. So why push something which clearly wouldn't happen anyway?
DarthPunk (3): VisceraEyes, glurio, Coagulation
Mocsta (1): glurio
Look how glurio clearly contradicts himself in his defense post. He says he "So why push something which clearly wouldn't happen anyway" and proceeds to vote for a player with 2 other votes on day one and zero other votes on day two. It can't get any clearer that he was trying to find low profile targets and move his vote to players where he wouldn't get questioned.
On March 27 2013 06:49 glurio wrote:
I'll vote cosmicomics today. He couldn't convince me he is town.
Notice the wording of this post.
After the mirror claim, rather than stating "cosmic is scum", he states that "he couldn't convince me he is town." As a mafia glurio, would certainly know that cosmic is third party, the way he phrases this statement betrays the fact that he has additional knowledge about the game.
Again, I'm bringing this up since nobody has commented on it. Why is this so difficult?
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Geript you had a town read on glurio for much of the game, right?
And since you've thought I was scum the whole game too what did you think of glurio being the first to make a case on me all game.
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On March 30 2013 10:56 RyuSuzaku wrote:Show nested quote +On March 30 2013 09:59 Kenpachi wrote:
I have it out here: Ryu, DYH, geript all mafia so you think me and DYH are scum together, and I'm bussing him? This is all you have to say? loool
No you have it all wrong, we are bussing each other.
None of this even matters anymore, we are so screwed. We are at lylo with no leader, no consensus on lynch targets, no consensus on who is town (maybe we can all get behind TPS and geri). Even if we manage to lynch correctly today we are still probably screwed. The only way this goes well is if everyone consolidates. Yes, we are at that point, who can we consolidate on so that we actually have a chance of getting another screwed up day. Pick me? I'm town, you're screwed. But I don't see ryu and kenp going for anyone else. So let's talk.
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On March 30 2013 10:40 kitaman27 wrote:Show nested quote +On March 30 2013 10:14 ThePeashooter wrote:
So Kita, one thing that has been bugging me. When I asked you to post your thoughts on Wade Fell after putting forth an analysis on him, why didn't you do it? You literally never wrote anything about him at all. I'm curious to how you never thought to mention the most active/scummy/annoying player in the game at least once in your posting? I don't recall. I probably just missed the request since its not like I would purposely ignore something if asked. Day two I was mostly focused on WoS with my big case and then Wiggles after the dt claim. Generally I let early blue claims fix themselves with the night hits and take another look if they're still around latter. BH hadn't really caught my attention while I was looking elsewhere. The one thing that is bugging me is that how few people are willing to defend glurio, yet there are only a couple votes on him.
Why didn't he catch your attention? He was blatantly lying and acting like a dipshit the whole game.
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Unvote: DoYouHas
Vote: Glurio
BA-BAM
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Strangely, I think I can get behind a glurio lynch, and here is why:
On March 18 2013 14:14 Oatsmaster wrote:
VOTE COUNT!
goodkarma (1): GreYMisT
GreYMisT (12): RyuSuzaku, goodkarma, Vivax, ThePeashooter, cosmicomics, Wade Fell, Mr. Wiggles, Kenpachi, zarepath, kitaman27, TestSubject893, WaveofShadow
zarepath (6): sciberbia, Hopeless1der, DoYouHas, DarthPunk, layabout, geript
DoYouHas (1): TranceStorm
DarthPunk (3): VisceraEyes, glurio, Coagulation
A pretty hard rule for scum in day 1 voting is that scum split their votes. I have never been in a game where that isn't true day1. I don't think TS was scum anymore, since scum had 2kp last night. I'm also banking on geript being town. That leaves layabout and glurio as unflipped people not on the GreY wagon I'm not confident about. Thoughts?
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And yes, this realization is causing me to reconsider my read on kita.
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On March 29 2013 15:54 ThePeashooter wrote:
Hey LayAbout, what day were you converted?
As i already said, i was converted on day. I was masoned during day1 and at the start of day2 the qt died and i got converted.
Guys if we do not consolidate then WE WILL LOSE
Toadya we should be lynching kitaman27.
Why is that you may ask? Well if you were reading the the thread you would not need to ask this.
Case UNO:
Mr. Wiggles dying words:
+ Show Spoiler +On March 24 2013 02:44 Mr. Wiggles wrote:People to really watch out for:Kitaman: Kita's play has actually been pretty passive. He's made cases, but has never really pushed them that much. Day 1, he was going after GoodKarma, couldn't get traction, and just sort of went, "Oh well, I'll vote for GreY then I guess", with only a line of explanation that doesn't even say he's scummy. The same thing happened on Day 2, where he made a case on WaveofShadow, but it was deflected by him claiming DT. So, he just votes for me, but doesn't really make too big of a push and only had a couple posts where he doesn't even strongly call me scum: Show nested quote +On March 21 2013 09:02 kitaman27 wrote:
I'd support Wiggles or GK as an alternative, but I don't have the couple hours I'd need to put a case together and push a lynch at the moment. Show nested quote +On March 21 2013 09:32 kitaman27 wrote:
As for today's lynch, Wiggles needs to get in here and tell us who he is voting for. He obviously shouldn't still be voting you, based on the reasons I just mentioned. I want to hear who he wants to lynch. I'd be willing to vote for him if we have the votes. Show nested quote +On March 21 2013 09:34 kitaman27 wrote:
I also didn't like how Wiggles responded to my case about Wave. Rather than pushing the idea himself, he asked for my confirmation to elaborate for him. Show nested quote +On March 21 2013 11:14 kitaman27 wrote:
I'm swapping my vote to him since he doesn't seem to care at all about what happens tonight. He uses very neutral language, saying he'd support the lynch, and that he'd be willing to vote if there's enough votes. He says he didn't like one thing I did, and then finally votes me not because he says he thinks I'm scum, but because I'm not around. For someone he wants to kill, and who he voted for, he does a good job of not really explaining his read or of ever calling me scum. He did the same thing with the GreYMisT vote. He doesn't push his reads strongly, he doesn't call the people he switches to later scum, and he just votes on whatever the wagon is at the end of the day His passive play combined with the lack of thread interaction and seeming apathy towards the lynch leads me to believe he doesn't have town's best interests in mind, and is scum. Town should watch out for him, because his posts are nicely structured and he makes nice "cases" on people that he doesn't end up pushing. So, there will probably be people who'd oppose killing him based on the form of his posts rather than the content.
I agree that I need to die. I am a liability in late game because I've been playing badly and my scum reads have been shit so far. I need to get shot though, not lynched, because a lynch on me is wasted as I have no probability of flipping scum. I thought someone might shoot me Night 2, but no one did. I don't like the way the Day has gone so far, because everyone is sitting on their hands and not talking because they think I'm scum. I find that pretty dumb, because you're basically giving mafia a free round of kills. If you're going to lynch me, leave your vote on me, but at least talk about who else you think is scum, because I am going to flip green. If you don't talk, you're completely wasting your time.I'm going to vote Cosmicomics because he is the only alternative wagon to me, and I read him as more likely to be scum than town.
If I end up getting lynched, I apologize for my poor reads, and want to say, good luck, and have fun.
Case two:
Hold on cosmic was 3p how can we trust him?
Well my skeptic read, cosmic may have wanted to save his own skin but that does not change the fact that he didn't know the scumteam and his case on kitaman carries considerable merit:
+ Show Spoiler +On March 26 2013 02:42 cosmicomics wrote:The kitaman27 case. kitaman27 is a seasoned mafia vet and is capable of playing very well as either alignment. You won't catch him with "scum slips" or anything blatant like that. You need to look at deeper motives and really look at context to see subtle mafia agenda actions.
First is his big case on WaveofShadow D2. If you reread how D2 unfolded, you would have noticed that there was a reasonable amount of suspicion and attention on Wade Fell as he garnered several votes. You have to watch the timing. kitaman27's case comes in at a timing to shift the attention off the Wade Fell / VisceraEyes interaction entirely, by offering a new prospective lynch target, namely WaveofShadow. His follow up post addressing the Wade Fell / VisceraEyes reveals the mafia agenda. Show nested quote +On March 20 2013 09:09 kitaman27 wrote:
It would be silly to lynch either of VE or BH this cycle. Both are claimed blues. Let the mafia deal with them. If the issue is still around in two or three cycles, than we address it, but not on day two where there are so many other things to look at.
It's very subtle isn't it? He shifts attention away from the whole VisceraEyes / Wade Fell by "letting mafia deal with them". He implants the idea into town that it is very "silly" to look into these two suspects, and that the night actions will resolve the whole issue. The bolded part shows his intent to push the focus away. So many other things to look at? Why is the Wade Fell / VisceraEyes situation something not worth looking at / trying to figure out? Why does he work to take not only his attention, but the rest of town's away from the issue onto a new topic in WaveofShadow? This is mafia misdirection at it's finest. You don't have to come into the thread and take bold stances you will be accountable for later on. All you have to do is evade the issue entirely and get people to focus on something else. No one can hold you accountable. This is further supported in the way that he really works to drive this case home. + Show Spoiler +On March 20 2013 09:39 kitaman27 wrote:Show nested quote +On March 20 2013 09:19 Vivax wrote:
Well I read it right now but frankly I developed the feeling he is town, I find others way scummier than him and WoS is a newbie so I understand him being defensive, dunno why he rides so much on not knowing how to metaread though. Being defensive is a newbie scum trait, so I don't think that really plays much of a part. This is his 5th or 6th game though, so he should be more than capable of pushing a case. In one of his early posts he mentions how he would rather not provide a scum read until he is prepared to develop a strong case. It's 100+ hours and 60ish pages into the game and he still hasn't done so. On March 20 2013 09:45 kitaman27 wrote:Show nested quote +On March 20 2013 09:41 WaveofShadow wrote:
Oh and kita, cute case.
I defy you to go through my meta and find something I've done differently this game than any of my others. I have never once lied in a mafia game thus far and have never been anything but town, including this game.
Vivax already gave you one of my typical defenses; hell I'll even add to it to attempt to appease you. I write up a case against you and your response is that you've never lied? Where am I calling you a liar? My case is that you show no interest in pushing a lynch. Even with this post, you ask "who are the lynch targets"? A town player decides a lynch target and pushes it on other players. A mafia player looks at the bandwagons and selects his favorite. I don't need another player to defend you. I'd like a response from yourself on the issues I mentioned. On March 20 2013 09:48 kitaman27 wrote:Show nested quote +On March 20 2013 09:45 WaveofShadow wrote:
I think I am comfortable enough to vote Wiggle right now though because he really just doesn't appear to give a shit.
Vote: Mr. Wiggles This is exactly what I'm referring to. Just minutes earlier you posted about how you wanted to know who where the lynch candidates in order to determine who to look at. Now you're voting Wiggles with a one line explanation. You clearly couldn't have taken the time to read through the filters of the players you just asked about. So why is it that you are voting based on town sentiment, rather than finding a player that you believe is scum and explaining to everyone why you believe this is the case. On March 20 2013 10:06 kitaman27 wrote:Show nested quote +On March 20 2013 09:48 WaveofShadow wrote:
I'd like to think I've at least attempted to justify my jumping on said bandwagons when I vote. I might have to call you a liar now. Your explanation on the DarthPunk vote was: Show nested quote +On March 18 2013 04:16 WaveofShadow wrote:
I CAN, however get behind a vote on DP. I support VE's case though I do not necessarily support his town circle Your explanation on the GreYMisT vote was larger, but at that point you were preaching to the choir, as you were the 12th person on him. There was nobody to convince at that point. Show nested quote +On March 20 2013 09:45 WaveofShadow wrote:
I think I am comfortable enough to vote Wiggle right now though because he really just doesn't appear to give a shit.
Vote: Mr. Wiggles And here is your explanation of the wiggles vote, aided by a few other one liners about how he is lazy. Show nested quote +On March 20 2013 09:53 WaveofShadow wrote:
I could of course go into more detail if you wish, but then you'd still just call that voting based on town sentiment. Of course I would like you to go into further detail. Calling yourself town doesn't convince other players that you are town. Posting a case and pushing a lynch is what does that. I spent 2 hours reading the thread and another hour on my case against you. You look like you've sent 3 minutes deciding who to jump on. On March 20 2013 10:16 kitaman27 wrote:Show nested quote +On March 20 2013 10:13 Mr. Wiggles wrote:
Kita, what do you think of WoS' flip on his reads?
He goes from being super-sure that Zarepath is scum and saying I'm his strongest town read, even baiting Zare into saying I'm scum to call him scum again, to wanting to lynch him as the day started, to agreeing with him, when all he did was reiterate the same stuff he said about me last night. So his read on him goes from scum -> town, and the last thing he's saying about him, is that something he did looks scummy. As for me, he's saying I'm town, and then that I'm scum, when all that happened is I made two posts at night, where I said I wasn't going to post reads, and was inactive for a while. His reads did a complete 180s, and the flips happened in line with what's popular at the time. Since I made it pretty clear what I thought about his alignment, I'd be much more interested listening to what you had to say, rather than justifying it for you. Do you have a mafia read on Wave? On March 20 2013 10:26 kitaman27 wrote:Show nested quote +On March 20 2013 10:21 WaveofShadow wrote:
Lol.
I have had to defend myself against accusations like this every single game I've been in.
Guess what the outcome has been
EVERY
SINGLE
GAME. How is your alignment in past games relevant at all? Look at how much effort he puts into getting everyone to focus on this lynch. Now, let's do a comparison case to the glurio case. Absolutely no follow up. No effort into convincing people, no effort to get opinions out of people, no effort to push the wagon. What's the difference? There isn't a pressing need to take attention off of a teammate like in the case of Wade Fell. There is only the need to maintain the image of scumhunting. Now, let's look further into his glurio read. If you read D2 carefully, you would notice that glurio posted a case on WaveofShadow maybe 3 hours earlier than kitaman27's case. Pull up the cases side by side and compare. What do you notice? They both use very similar bodies of evidence and similar reasoning. The only difference is that kitaman27's case has more paragraphs and quotes and formatting. But the essence is the same. Yet this is kitaman27's #2 scum read. Think about it. If someone makes a case using the same body of evidence and same type of reasoning before you present your own case, wouldn't that give you serious pause before thinking they are scum? Given how vehemently kitaman27 pushed the WaveofShadow case, it must mean that he felt that the case was really good, and that since only glurio picked up on it before anyone else, that glurio was thinking along the same lines. I.e. he was thinking like town. But nope. kitaman27 has glurio at #2 scum read. Not only that, but as glurio perceptively points out Show nested quote +On March 26 2013 02:02 glurio wrote:
You still have a scum read on me even after i posted a case on CC, which is my #1 scumread at the moment, kita?
I'd like to see how you plan to make that work.
kitaman27 isn't thinking holistically about the game at all, despite telling everyone that that is exactly what he has been doing. kitaman27 has been subtly working behind the sense to further mafia agenda and his inconsistencies and timings betray himself. To close I would draw attention to Mr. Wiggles' posts where he notes kitaman27's passive play and apathy, which serves to further highlight how out of place his intense WaveofShadow wagon push is. Show nested quote +On March 24 2013 02:44 Mr. Wiggles wrote:People to really watch out for:Kitaman: Kita's play has actually been pretty passive. He's made cases, but has never really pushed them that much. Day 1, he was going after GoodKarma, couldn't get traction, and just sort of went, "Oh well, I'll vote for GreY then I guess", with only a line of explanation that doesn't even say he's scummy. The same thing happened on Day 2, where he made a case on WaveofShadow, but it was deflected by him claiming DT. So, he just votes for me, but doesn't really make too big of a push and only had a couple posts where he doesn't even strongly call me scum: On March 21 2013 09:02 kitaman27 wrote:
I'd support Wiggles or GK as an alternative, but I don't have the couple hours I'd need to put a case together and push a lynch at the moment. On March 21 2013 09:32 kitaman27 wrote:
As for today's lynch, Wiggles needs to get in here and tell us who he is voting for. He obviously shouldn't still be voting you, based on the reasons I just mentioned. I want to hear who he wants to lynch. I'd be willing to vote for him if we have the votes. On March 21 2013 09:34 kitaman27 wrote:
I also didn't like how Wiggles responded to my case about Wave. Rather than pushing the idea himself, he asked for my confirmation to elaborate for him. On March 21 2013 11:14 kitaman27 wrote:
I'm swapping my vote to him since he doesn't seem to care at all about what happens tonight. He uses very neutral language, saying he'd support the lynch, and that he'd be willing to vote if there's enough votes. He says he didn't like one thing I did, and then finally votes me not because he says he thinks I'm scum, but because I'm not around. For someone he wants to kill, and who he voted for, he does a good job of not really explaining his read or of ever calling me scum. He did the same thing with the GreYMisT vote. He doesn't push his reads strongly, he doesn't call the people he switches to later scum, and he just votes on whatever the wagon is at the end of the day His passive play combined with the lack of thread interaction and seeming apathy towards the lynch leads me to believe he doesn't have town's best interests in mind, and is scum. Town should watch out for him, because his posts are nicely structured and he makes nice "cases" on people that he doesn't end up pushing. So, there will probably be people who'd oppose killing him based on the form of his posts rather than the content. kitaman27 is the scum mastermind who has been manipulating town from behind the scenes. kitaman27 is the lynch for today. Vote: kitaman27
Yesterday kitaman27 was pushing for a cosmic lynch and pre-claim he may have been justified in doing so. However post-claim kitaman deliberately ignores the consequences of the claim, which there was plenty of evidence to support and very few reasons to doubt. Yesterday mafia benefitted the most from the lynch and kitman27 was aware of this but chose to push their agenda.
Why? Well he is mafia
##vote kitaman27
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layabout, what are your other scum reads? Do they include me, geript, or glur?
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On March 30 2013 11:47 layabout wrote:Show nested quote +On March 29 2013 15:54 ThePeashooter wrote:
Hey LayAbout, what day were you converted? As i already said, i was converted on day. I was masoned during day1 and at the start of day2 the qt died and i got converted. Guys if we do not consolidate then WE WILL LOSE Toadya we should be lynching kitaman27. Why is that you may ask? Well if you were reading the the thread you would not need to ask this. Case UNO: Mr. Wiggles dying words: + Show Spoiler +On March 24 2013 02:44 Mr. Wiggles wrote:People to really watch out for:Kitaman: Kita's play has actually been pretty passive. He's made cases, but has never really pushed them that much. Day 1, he was going after GoodKarma, couldn't get traction, and just sort of went, "Oh well, I'll vote for GreY then I guess", with only a line of explanation that doesn't even say he's scummy. The same thing happened on Day 2, where he made a case on WaveofShadow, but it was deflected by him claiming DT. So, he just votes for me, but doesn't really make too big of a push and only had a couple posts where he doesn't even strongly call me scum: Show nested quote +On March 21 2013 09:02 kitaman27 wrote:
I'd support Wiggles or GK as an alternative, but I don't have the couple hours I'd need to put a case together and push a lynch at the moment. Show nested quote +On March 21 2013 09:32 kitaman27 wrote:
As for today's lynch, Wiggles needs to get in here and tell us who he is voting for. He obviously shouldn't still be voting you, based on the reasons I just mentioned. I want to hear who he wants to lynch. I'd be willing to vote for him if we have the votes. Show nested quote +On March 21 2013 09:34 kitaman27 wrote:
I also didn't like how Wiggles responded to my case about Wave. Rather than pushing the idea himself, he asked for my confirmation to elaborate for him. Show nested quote +On March 21 2013 11:14 kitaman27 wrote:
I'm swapping my vote to him since he doesn't seem to care at all about what happens tonight. He uses very neutral language, saying he'd support the lynch, and that he'd be willing to vote if there's enough votes. He says he didn't like one thing I did, and then finally votes me not because he says he thinks I'm scum, but because I'm not around. For someone he wants to kill, and who he voted for, he does a good job of not really explaining his read or of ever calling me scum. He did the same thing with the GreYMisT vote. He doesn't push his reads strongly, he doesn't call the people he switches to later scum, and he just votes on whatever the wagon is at the end of the day His passive play combined with the lack of thread interaction and seeming apathy towards the lynch leads me to believe he doesn't have town's best interests in mind, and is scum. Town should watch out for him, because his posts are nicely structured and he makes nice "cases" on people that he doesn't end up pushing. So, there will probably be people who'd oppose killing him based on the form of his posts rather than the content.
I agree that I need to die. I am a liability in late game because I've been playing badly and my scum reads have been shit so far. I need to get shot though, not lynched, because a lynch on me is wasted as I have no probability of flipping scum. I thought someone might shoot me Night 2, but no one did. I don't like the way the Day has gone so far, because everyone is sitting on their hands and not talking because they think I'm scum. I find that pretty dumb, because you're basically giving mafia a free round of kills. If you're going to lynch me, leave your vote on me, but at least talk about who else you think is scum, because I am going to flip green. If you don't talk, you're completely wasting your time.I'm going to vote Cosmicomics because he is the only alternative wagon to me, and I read him as more likely to be scum than town.
If I end up getting lynched, I apologize for my poor reads, and want to say, good luck, and have fun. Case two: Hold on cosmic was 3p how can we trust him? Well my skeptic read, cosmic may have wanted to save his own skin but that does not change the fact that he didn't know the scumteam and his case on kitaman carries considerable merit: + Show Spoiler +On March 26 2013 02:42 cosmicomics wrote:The kitaman27 case. kitaman27 is a seasoned mafia vet and is capable of playing very well as either alignment. You won't catch him with "scum slips" or anything blatant like that. You need to look at deeper motives and really look at context to see subtle mafia agenda actions.
First is his big case on WaveofShadow D2. If you reread how D2 unfolded, you would have noticed that there was a reasonable amount of suspicion and attention on Wade Fell as he garnered several votes. You have to watch the timing. kitaman27's case comes in at a timing to shift the attention off the Wade Fell / VisceraEyes interaction entirely, by offering a new prospective lynch target, namely WaveofShadow. His follow up post addressing the Wade Fell / VisceraEyes reveals the mafia agenda. Show nested quote +On March 20 2013 09:09 kitaman27 wrote:
It would be silly to lynch either of VE or BH this cycle. Both are claimed blues. Let the mafia deal with them. If the issue is still around in two or three cycles, than we address it, but not on day two where there are so many other things to look at.
It's very subtle isn't it? He shifts attention away from the whole VisceraEyes / Wade Fell by "letting mafia deal with them". He implants the idea into town that it is very "silly" to look into these two suspects, and that the night actions will resolve the whole issue. The bolded part shows his intent to push the focus away. So many other things to look at? Why is the Wade Fell / VisceraEyes situation something not worth looking at / trying to figure out? Why does he work to take not only his attention, but the rest of town's away from the issue onto a new topic in WaveofShadow? This is mafia misdirection at it's finest. You don't have to come into the thread and take bold stances you will be accountable for later on. All you have to do is evade the issue entirely and get people to focus on something else. No one can hold you accountable. This is further supported in the way that he really works to drive this case home. + Show Spoiler +On March 20 2013 09:39 kitaman27 wrote:Show nested quote +On March 20 2013 09:19 Vivax wrote:
Well I read it right now but frankly I developed the feeling he is town, I find others way scummier than him and WoS is a newbie so I understand him being defensive, dunno why he rides so much on not knowing how to metaread though. Being defensive is a newbie scum trait, so I don't think that really plays much of a part. This is his 5th or 6th game though, so he should be more than capable of pushing a case. In one of his early posts he mentions how he would rather not provide a scum read until he is prepared to develop a strong case. It's 100+ hours and 60ish pages into the game and he still hasn't done so. On March 20 2013 09:45 kitaman27 wrote:Show nested quote +On March 20 2013 09:41 WaveofShadow wrote:
Oh and kita, cute case.
I defy you to go through my meta and find something I've done differently this game than any of my others. I have never once lied in a mafia game thus far and have never been anything but town, including this game.
Vivax already gave you one of my typical defenses; hell I'll even add to it to attempt to appease you. I write up a case against you and your response is that you've never lied? Where am I calling you a liar? My case is that you show no interest in pushing a lynch. Even with this post, you ask "who are the lynch targets"? A town player decides a lynch target and pushes it on other players. A mafia player looks at the bandwagons and selects his favorite. I don't need another player to defend you. I'd like a response from yourself on the issues I mentioned. On March 20 2013 09:48 kitaman27 wrote:Show nested quote +On March 20 2013 09:45 WaveofShadow wrote:
I think I am comfortable enough to vote Wiggle right now though because he really just doesn't appear to give a shit.
Vote: Mr. Wiggles This is exactly what I'm referring to. Just minutes earlier you posted about how you wanted to know who where the lynch candidates in order to determine who to look at. Now you're voting Wiggles with a one line explanation. You clearly couldn't have taken the time to read through the filters of the players you just asked about. So why is it that you are voting based on town sentiment, rather than finding a player that you believe is scum and explaining to everyone why you believe this is the case. On March 20 2013 10:06 kitaman27 wrote:Show nested quote +On March 20 2013 09:48 WaveofShadow wrote:
I'd like to think I've at least attempted to justify my jumping on said bandwagons when I vote. I might have to call you a liar now. Your explanation on the DarthPunk vote was: Show nested quote +On March 18 2013 04:16 WaveofShadow wrote:
I CAN, however get behind a vote on DP. I support VE's case though I do not necessarily support his town circle Your explanation on the GreYMisT vote was larger, but at that point you were preaching to the choir, as you were the 12th person on him. There was nobody to convince at that point. Show nested quote +On March 20 2013 09:45 WaveofShadow wrote:
I think I am comfortable enough to vote Wiggle right now though because he really just doesn't appear to give a shit.
Vote: Mr. Wiggles And here is your explanation of the wiggles vote, aided by a few other one liners about how he is lazy. Show nested quote +On March 20 2013 09:53 WaveofShadow wrote:
I could of course go into more detail if you wish, but then you'd still just call that voting based on town sentiment. Of course I would like you to go into further detail. Calling yourself town doesn't convince other players that you are town. Posting a case and pushing a lynch is what does that. I spent 2 hours reading the thread and another hour on my case against you. You look like you've sent 3 minutes deciding who to jump on. On March 20 2013 10:16 kitaman27 wrote:Show nested quote +On March 20 2013 10:13 Mr. Wiggles wrote:
Kita, what do you think of WoS' flip on his reads?
He goes from being super-sure that Zarepath is scum and saying I'm his strongest town read, even baiting Zare into saying I'm scum to call him scum again, to wanting to lynch him as the day started, to agreeing with him, when all he did was reiterate the same stuff he said about me last night. So his read on him goes from scum -> town, and the last thing he's saying about him, is that something he did looks scummy. As for me, he's saying I'm town, and then that I'm scum, when all that happened is I made two posts at night, where I said I wasn't going to post reads, and was inactive for a while. His reads did a complete 180s, and the flips happened in line with what's popular at the time. Since I made it pretty clear what I thought about his alignment, I'd be much more interested listening to what you had to say, rather than justifying it for you. Do you have a mafia read on Wave? On March 20 2013 10:26 kitaman27 wrote:Show nested quote +On March 20 2013 10:21 WaveofShadow wrote:
Lol.
I have had to defend myself against accusations like this every single game I've been in.
Guess what the outcome has been
EVERY
SINGLE
GAME. How is your alignment in past games relevant at all? Look at how much effort he puts into getting everyone to focus on this lynch. Now, let's do a comparison case to the glurio case. Absolutely no follow up. No effort into convincing people, no effort to get opinions out of people, no effort to push the wagon. What's the difference? There isn't a pressing need to take attention off of a teammate like in the case of Wade Fell. There is only the need to maintain the image of scumhunting. Now, let's look further into his glurio read. If you read D2 carefully, you would notice that glurio posted a case on WaveofShadow maybe 3 hours earlier than kitaman27's case. Pull up the cases side by side and compare. What do you notice? They both use very similar bodies of evidence and similar reasoning. The only difference is that kitaman27's case has more paragraphs and quotes and formatting. But the essence is the same. Yet this is kitaman27's #2 scum read. Think about it. If someone makes a case using the same body of evidence and same type of reasoning before you present your own case, wouldn't that give you serious pause before thinking they are scum? Given how vehemently kitaman27 pushed the WaveofShadow case, it must mean that he felt that the case was really good, and that since only glurio picked up on it before anyone else, that glurio was thinking along the same lines. I.e. he was thinking like town. But nope. kitaman27 has glurio at #2 scum read. Not only that, but as glurio perceptively points out Show nested quote +On March 26 2013 02:02 glurio wrote:
You still have a scum read on me even after i posted a case on CC, which is my #1 scumread at the moment, kita?
I'd like to see how you plan to make that work.
kitaman27 isn't thinking holistically about the game at all, despite telling everyone that that is exactly what he has been doing. kitaman27 has been subtly working behind the sense to further mafia agenda and his inconsistencies and timings betray himself. To close I would draw attention to Mr. Wiggles' posts where he notes kitaman27's passive play and apathy, which serves to further highlight how out of place his intense WaveofShadow wagon push is. Show nested quote +On March 24 2013 02:44 Mr. Wiggles wrote:People to really watch out for:Kitaman: Kita's play has actually been pretty passive. He's made cases, but has never really pushed them that much. Day 1, he was going after GoodKarma, couldn't get traction, and just sort of went, "Oh well, I'll vote for GreY then I guess", with only a line of explanation that doesn't even say he's scummy. The same thing happened on Day 2, where he made a case on WaveofShadow, but it was deflected by him claiming DT. So, he just votes for me, but doesn't really make too big of a push and only had a couple posts where he doesn't even strongly call me scum: On March 21 2013 09:02 kitaman27 wrote:
I'd support Wiggles or GK as an alternative, but I don't have the couple hours I'd need to put a case together and push a lynch at the moment. On March 21 2013 09:32 kitaman27 wrote:
As for today's lynch, Wiggles needs to get in here and tell us who he is voting for. He obviously shouldn't still be voting you, based on the reasons I just mentioned. I want to hear who he wants to lynch. I'd be willing to vote for him if we have the votes. On March 21 2013 09:34 kitaman27 wrote:
I also didn't like how Wiggles responded to my case about Wave. Rather than pushing the idea himself, he asked for my confirmation to elaborate for him. On March 21 2013 11:14 kitaman27 wrote:
I'm swapping my vote to him since he doesn't seem to care at all about what happens tonight. He uses very neutral language, saying he'd support the lynch, and that he'd be willing to vote if there's enough votes. He says he didn't like one thing I did, and then finally votes me not because he says he thinks I'm scum, but because I'm not around. For someone he wants to kill, and who he voted for, he does a good job of not really explaining his read or of ever calling me scum. He did the same thing with the GreYMisT vote. He doesn't push his reads strongly, he doesn't call the people he switches to later scum, and he just votes on whatever the wagon is at the end of the day His passive play combined with the lack of thread interaction and seeming apathy towards the lynch leads me to believe he doesn't have town's best interests in mind, and is scum. Town should watch out for him, because his posts are nicely structured and he makes nice "cases" on people that he doesn't end up pushing. So, there will probably be people who'd oppose killing him based on the form of his posts rather than the content. kitaman27 is the scum mastermind who has been manipulating town from behind the scenes. kitaman27 is the lynch for today. Vote: kitaman27 Yesterday kitaman27 was pushing for a cosmic lynch and pre-claim he may have been justified in doing so. However post-claim kitaman deliberately ignores the consequences of the claim, which there was plenty of evidence to support and very few reasons to doubt. Yesterday mafia benefitted the most from the lynch and kitman27 was aware of this but chose to push their agenda. Why? Well he is mafia ##vote kitaman27
We are lynching Glurio. Kita will get lynched later.
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On March 30 2013 11:09 WaveofShadow wrote:
Geript you had a town read on glurio for much of the game, right?
And since you've thought I was scum the whole game too what did you think of glurio being the first to make a case on me all game.
I lean null-town towards glurio. Honestly, I didn't even remember his case on you. He hasn't stuck out in my mind like Randombum or RestrainingOrder did last game.
Here are the posts he's made that caught my eye when I was looking over his filter agian:
On March 22 2013 22:31 glurio wrote:
Wrong about GK, testsubject and me.
You've got quite the theme going there.
And my single post is probably gonna be more useful than whatever you write this entire cycle if you go on like this.
On March 26 2013 01:23 glurio wrote:
(to Test)
What about you? Only had one bullet?
Unflipped Test called town, but Glurio seems to put far more weight into roleclaims than I do. Asking how many bullets a vig has is pretty scummy though. I guess that could explain the roleblock on you last night instead of Test. Still doesn't explain where it was N1. Honestly WoS, I'd just rather vote back on you again but it does no good if I can't get support. Whatever, it's not my fault if people won't listen to me.
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@TPS Since you're so gungho about lynching Glurio, will you please provide a case?
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On March 30 2013 12:18 geript wrote:Show nested quote +On March 30 2013 11:09 WaveofShadow wrote:
Geript you had a town read on glurio for much of the game, right?
And since you've thought I was scum the whole game too what did you think of glurio being the first to make a case on me all game. I lean null-town towards glurio. Honestly, I didn't even remember his case on you. He hasn't stuck out in my mind like Randombum or RestrainingOrder did last game. Here are the posts he's made that caught my eye when I was looking over his filter agian: Show nested quote +On March 22 2013 22:31 glurio wrote:
Wrong about GK, testsubject and me.
You've got quite the theme going there.
And my single post is probably gonna be more useful than whatever you write this entire cycle if you go on like this. Show nested quote +On March 26 2013 01:23 glurio wrote:
(to Test)
What about you? Only had one bullet? Unflipped Test called town, but Glurio seems to put far more weight into roleclaims than I do. Asking how many bullets a vig has is pretty scummy though. I guess that could explain the roleblock on you last night instead of Test. Still doesn't explain where it was N1. Honestly WoS, I'd just rather vote back on you again but it does no good if I can't get support. Whatever, it's not my fault if people won't listen to me.
I think where glurio names Testsubject I was actually referring to TranceStorm at the time (I said TS), so I'm not sure what that does to your read of him.
Have a little faith and just try to trust me for once. You won't regret it. Nutter butter for old times' sake?
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Hmm, let me look at that post again then as that reminds me of the second podcast where they mentioned that Hapa and Vivax called someone town who they shouldn't know was town. brb.
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Ok, sure whatever, nutter butter.
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I'm fairly interested to see what Ryu and Kenpachi have to say right now since they were the very first to jump aboard after I made my case on DYH in the first place with no reasoning.
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As far as other scum go i don't see ryu being town after reading his discussion with DP i don't think it was 2 townies shouting at each other.
As far as the final two go It could realistically be any from:
kenpachi glurio doyouhas
I was hoping kenpachi would get vigged. kenpachi has done nothing to make me think he is town and has been voting with very little supporting arguments then afking a lot which is something scum would be more inclined to do.
If you are asking about yourself geript and glurio i would say that:
I am unsure about you DYH. You were carrying out independent analysis early on but your play yesterday furthered mafia objectives not town ones. I feel like glurio could be scum but since glurio wants to lynch kita and ryu who i am confident about i am hesitant to lynch him .I labelled geript towny early on and haven't had reason to change that label.
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