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On March 25 2013 01:29 Kenpachi wrote:hes a case of wifom where i'd take the wine. Say, lets look at it this way. Those that voted VE could have had a freepass to look town so BH attacks him for being 3rd party. EASY way for mafia to gain credibility for doing what is best for town. Now, I certainly did not expect a BH hit, and mafia probably did not either so cosmicomics is a fair bet for mafioso. So look at the VE wagon again. also btw zarepath, you have been looking irresolute the entire game with posts like these Show nested quote +On March 24 2013 21:12 zarepath wrote: I know I was voting for cosmicomics, but after reading Wiggles' filter I'd thought he wouldn't be that bad of a lynch, either. Honestly, that guy needs to flip soon. It seems as though nobody is really willing to talk about him. Does anybody have a town read on him, and why? grats, you were also one of 3 to vote Wiggles on Day 2..
I never considered VisceraEyes 3rd party, stop lying.
Additionally, the 3 of 4 main wagons on day 2 were town.
Ace (8), goodkarma (3) and Mr. Wiggles (3) and VisceraEyes (6). There's no logical reason why anyone should expect scum to be especially on the VisceraEyes' wagon. There's more sense that scum would want Ace dead because they know they can push VisceraEyes later because it is an "EASY way for mafia to gain credibility", and so by your reasoning people should be looking at Ace's wagon.
You are trying to get me lynched without actually calling me scum so that if I do you don't take any responsibility and you can blame the poor sap who happened to bite.
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On March 24 2013 13:46 DarthPunk wrote:Show nested quote +On March 24 2013 13:45 RyuSuzaku wrote:On March 24 2013 12:36 DarthPunk wrote:Heya I'm back and reading the thread. Once again there is a really weak push onto me for no reason. Good times. On March 24 2013 12:21 RyuSuzaku wrote:
I find that DP hasn't done as much as he normally does as town. When THIS is the stated reason that someone wants to lynch me when I have a 9 page filter and the person claiming I am not doing enough to be town has a 2 page filter something s wrong. who cares? Size of filter does not correlate with contribution. In fact, you look even worse for the fact that you have so many posts yet I can't remember a single one of them, despite at some point reading them all. The same could be said for your posts with me. Anyway I think it's your problem because many others have had town reads on me.
How is this meaningful?
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@Cosmic I don't think VE would be crazy enough to do that. After listening to the podcast he seems to have a distinct plan going through his head and leaving good players alive doesn't make any sense in that regard. Besides, earlier VE seemed off and was bouncing around which was very different from how he played in LX, but in reviewing his previous games that's something he's done previously as town. How do you feel about Glurio and WoS?
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On March 25 2013 05:27 geript wrote:
@Cosmic I don't think VE would be crazy enough to do that. After listening to the podcast he seems to have a distinct plan going through his head and leaving good players alive doesn't make any sense in that regard. Besides, earlier VE seemed off and was bouncing around which was very different from how he played in LX, but in reviewing his previous games that's something he's done previously as town. How do you feel about Glurio and WoS?
Yea I don't either, just trying to understand where RyuSuzaku is coming from.
I have a decent town read on glurio based on his defense of kitaman27's case against him. They way he addresses the case is a simple line by line bullet points, and the style seems very loose and off the top of his head. I went through his filter to double check the facts and his explanations, and they all fit very well, which highly suggests town when coupled with the style he wrote it.
While his read on me is founded upon not the most solid reasoning - "Both Vivax and sciberia were suspicious of him at the end of the night. High likelihood of being scum.", I don't see it a malicious usage, and a quite understandable one a newer town player might make.
I'm inclined to believe WaveofShadow's claim. I think he is blue. I don't find it too strange that he isn't dead tonight given that scum with roleblocker is pretty much expected and there is no reason to spend precious KP to shoot WaveofShadow and confirm another townie with his check when you can just roleblock him and WIFOM later.
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On March 25 2013 05:19 cosmicomics wrote:Show nested quote +On March 24 2013 14:41 RyuSuzaku wrote:On March 24 2013 14:37 cosmicomics wrote:On March 24 2013 07:45 RyuSuzaku wrote:
also one thing I forgot to mention is that I would expect a town-VE right now to be crying about the lack of activity.
Instead, he seems to be completely content with letting the thread die, which is very uncharacteristic of his town play. So you calling him scum or what? How is he culpable of "letting the thread die"? Yes, I am calling him scum. Read my posts. While I agree with you on behavioral analysis, that means that scum chose only to use 1KP so VisceraEyes could fake claim vet status or that they have some really really weird KP formula. How do you think last night's KP went down?
I don't think we have any way of knowing that, really.
It's certainly possible that the KP from night 1 to night 2 changed if mafia have a recruiter, because a recruiter is essentially KP. It's worse, actually, since it buffers mafia count while reducing town count.
So maybe they had 2 KP on n1 and shot VE, then decided it would be a great way to get cred to recruit him. Maybe they had 1 KP and a recruit on n1 and they decided to recruit VE, who claimed a shot so later when mafia have 2 KP, he'd basically be "confirmed".
This is obviously all conspiracy-esque, but it's based on my feeling that, if there truly is a recruiter, it can't be a third party recruiter. A third party recruiter really does not make sense. I don't think VE is lying about being contacted by one, and his drastic change in behavior would seem to indicate that he really was recruited. Think about it: he wanted WF dead on day 1, but on day 2 was more than happy to switch to Wiggles or Ace.
Yesterday, he was completely gone during the most crucial parts of the day, something I would never in a million years expect from town VE, given that the game only progressed by 3 or 4 pages. Why was I the only one talking to Wiggles? What did we gain from that lynch? It's obvious in hindsight it was just an easy bandwagon for mafia to push, so of course one would expect the mafia team to simply sit back and watch the town kill itself.
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On March 25 2013 05:20 cosmicomics wrote:Show nested quote +On March 25 2013 01:29 Kenpachi wrote:hes a case of wifom where i'd take the wine. Say, lets look at it this way. Those that voted VE could have had a freepass to look town so BH attacks him for being 3rd party. EASY way for mafia to gain credibility for doing what is best for town. Now, I certainly did not expect a BH hit, and mafia probably did not either so cosmicomics is a fair bet for mafioso. So look at the VE wagon again. also btw zarepath, you have been looking irresolute the entire game with posts like these On March 24 2013 21:12 zarepath wrote:I know I was voting for cosmicomics, but after reading Wiggles' filter I'd thought he wouldn't be that bad of a lynch, either. Honestly, that guy needs to flip soon. It seems as though nobody is really willing to talk about him. Does anybody have a town read on him, and why? grats, you were also one of 3 to vote Wiggles on Day 2.. I never considered VisceraEyes 3rd party, stop lying. Additionally, the 3 of 4 main wagons on day 2 were town. Ace (8), goodkarma (3) and Mr. Wiggles (3) and VisceraEyes (6). There's no logical reason why anyone should expect scum to be especially on the VisceraEyes' wagon. There's more sense that scum would want Ace dead because they know they can push VisceraEyes later because it is an "EASY way for mafia to gain credibility", and so by your reasoning people should be looking at Ace's wagon. You are trying to get me lynched without actually calling me scum so that if I do you don't take any responsibility and you can blame the poor sap who happened to bite.
No I don't even know who you are. I did realize that but I assumed you were being dumb
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ok guys, are activity is fucking terrible, i hope it isn't like this for the next cycles. I find myself agreeing with what cosmicomics says in the last page and i want to look at those pressuring him for no solid reason. Namely Zarepath who is due lynch. Has anyone realized that this guy doesn't stick to almost anything he says?
On March 21 2013 02:23 zarepath wrote:Kenpachi has completely disappeared, which is odd considering this:Show nested quote +On March 19 2013 07:08 Kenpachi wrote:
I'm personally not very comfortable not getting any limelight, good or bad lol
K, this is true what i said. I tend to be much stronger at paying attention to myself, and to those that pay attention to me. That's my comfort zone so i made a blatant post to get attention to pull people into my zone.
TestSubject has been completely AFK ever since he voted for GreyMist, save for this post, so look for his contributions soon: Show nested quote +On March 20 2013 11:28 TestSubject893 wrote:
Hey guys, sorry I've been really inactive. I had a couple of things come up that have been taking up a lot of my time. I'm like 20 pages behind but am going to catch up right now. Okay. So what?
glurio's last post is calling WoS scum, and since the Eye claim, glurio's said nothing. I want to know if he believes WoS's claim and who his scum reads are now. Cosmicomics' last post looked pretty scummy, and his VE case seemed absurd to me: Show nested quote +On March 20 2013 13:47 cosmicomics wrote:
WaveofShadow, could you tone down on the swearing please? It can turn people off (including townies), which will in turn fuel this bandwagon against you, and the worst kind of wagon is one where it is town pushed.
I think it would be most beneficial to everyone if you could consolidate your posting and present your defense against kita's main case. Or build a strong case of your own on somebody. Because right now it is getting more difficult to read you and you are giving scum / good intentioned townies more fuel.
I'll be looking over your meta, the case and the posts in interest in the meantime. Mr. Wiggles still has no new reads except for WoS, and he hasn't reacted at all to WoS's blue claim. RyuSuzaku hasn't done anything since his N1 reads on VE, TranceStorm, and glurio. Of all of these, I like cosmicomics the most as a lynch. He hasn't done much, and the things he's done lack follow-through -- he made the poor VE case and never spoke of it again, he showed up to tell WoS to quit being a baby after everyone else was already on WoS, and hasn't said anything about WoS again after that. He looks like scum to me.
So this post, is pretty terrible yeah? He brings things up, and does not do anything with them. He found it strange i disappeared.. but as far as I'm concerned, I've not changed in terms of activity. He does not pressure me at all for it, now that I have no reason to be gone. His small attack on testsubject, is pretty meaningless cause he doesn't back it up at all with anything.
Also, some wishwashiness.
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EBWOP: our activity and my grammar are fucking terrible
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Kenpachi, what's your take on the zarepath & Wade Fell mason?
Also, could I get your thoughts on glurio?
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oh they masoned... well, i reckon i should take notes as the game goes on lol.
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On March 25 2013 10:29 cosmicomics wrote:
Kenpachi, what's your take on the zarepath & Wade Fell mason?
Also, could I get your thoughts on glurio?
glurio (also did not pay attention to him ...) could very well be scum if we consider that he's conflicting in reads with a lot of players in the game. I'm leaning scum on him definitely cause he defends BH and attacks people that are at this point town.
A lot of people think you're scum and the only scummy thing I see is defending BH but other than that, everything else you say seems to be making sense but then again, BH also made sense for a while :/
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@Kenpachi What's your stance on WoS? Do you believe the claim?
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kitaman27
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So I just reread the entire thread from the start with the flips in mind because we're clearly not seeing the big picture here. I also read the entire filters of each player (some players more than once). The downside of spending three hours reading is that it leaves absolutely no time to make a case, but I'm quite confidant that cosmic is scum. I think I'm more sure of this, than the glurio case and will post a case tomorrow about why I believe so. Unfortunately, if I'm hit tonight, this leaves you guys with the WIFOM of whether or not I was hit because I shared my intentions, but at this point I'm think there is a strong enough chance of cosmic flipping mafia that I'd rather share it than take it to my grave.
I disagree with your assessment of him kenpachi and I ask that everyone take a good look at his filters.
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On March 25 2013 10:48 geript wrote:
@Kenpachi What's your stance on WoS? Do you believe the claim?
I'm pretty sure almost everyone believes my claim right now but you. If you're really town Geript, just think back to the games we've played together and ask yourself what makes the most sense based on my play this game and my past play.
I'm going to have a look into cosmiccomics right now and try and write up that case on glurio as well, though I must admit my confidence has been shaken since Wiggles flipped town. I don't feel good about our chances this game at all. Collectively we as a town have been playing like absolute balls, and most of the town flips thus far are partly to blame for it as well. If we lose 3 more townies tonight I'm pretty sure we're fucked.
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On March 25 2013 11:36 WaveofShadow wrote:
If we lose 3 more townies tonight I'm pretty sure we're fucked.
You mean 2? Or do you have a different interpretation of last nights KP?
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Also DarthPunk you need to stop lurking and lay down some reads.
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The one upside to the massive drop in activity is that I don't have much to catch up on after 2 really busy days. I'll do that now and try and get some thoughts out before the day starts.
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On March 22 2013 08:07 Vivax wrote:
Coag do you like my [scum] reads? (from a prior post: zarepath, cosmicomics, Wade Fell, goodkarma, DoYouHas, TranceStorm) On March 22 2013 08:08 Coagulation wrote:
remove wade fell and add wiggles and they are acceptable. I would probably add ryu and take out zerap also.
And Coagulation as well. Need fresh updates.
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On March 25 2013 11:18 kitaman27 wrote:
So I just reread the entire thread from the start with the flips in mind because we're clearly not seeing the big picture here. I also read the entire filters of each player (some players more than once). The downside of spending three hours reading is that it leaves absolutely no time to make a case, but I'm quite confidant that cosmic is scum. I think I'm more sure of this, than the glurio case and will post a case tomorrow about why I believe so. Unfortunately, if I'm hit tonight, this leaves you guys with the WIFOM of whether or not I was hit because I shared my intentions, but at this point I'm think there is a strong enough chance of cosmic flipping mafia that I'd rather share it than take it to my grave.
I disagree with your assessment of him kenpachi and I ask that everyone take a good look at his filters.
Cool. Don't know why you would spend a paragraph playing out the WIFOM yourself but whatever.
Do you still think glurio is scum? You were pretty quick to drop it, unlike the WaveofShadow case.
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Oh yea, upon review I think kitaman27 is scum and I would be glad to duke it out with him tomorrow. He won't be dead (cuz he scum) and I won't be dead (because scum don't shoot potential mislynches).
Sorry about the multi-posts. Thinks just came to me as I was reviewing things and I didn't want to lose the thoughts.
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