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On March 25 2013 12:16 cosmicomics wrote:Show nested quote +On March 25 2013 11:36 WaveofShadow wrote:
If we lose 3 more townies tonight I'm pretty sure we're fucked. You mean 2? Or do you have a different interpretation of last nights KP?
No I mean if we lose 3 townies. 2 KP is given considering mafia but I still worry about 3rd party presence. I think at this point if we lose only 2 tonight then 3rd arty probably doesn't KP despite whatever recruitment power they might have; withholding KP as 3rd party doesn't make sense this far in.
In any case all of that is just speculation and isn't important right now considering we can't even hunt scum. Cosmic you think kita is scum and I think he's town. Care to elaborate? I'm honestly not so certain of my reads anymore considering how the game has gone thus far. Really wish I could actually fucking use my night action.
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On March 25 2013 11:36 WaveofShadow wrote:Show nested quote +On March 25 2013 10:48 geript wrote:
@Kenpachi What's your stance on WoS? Do you believe the claim? I'm pretty sure almost everyone believes my claim right now but you. If you're really town Geript, just think back to the games we've played together and ask yourself what makes the most sense based on my play this game and my past play. I'm going to have a look into cosmiccomics right now and try and write up that case on glurio as well, though I must admit my confidence has been shaken since Wiggles flipped town. I don't feel good about our chances this game at all. Collectively we as a town have been playing like absolute balls, and most of the town flips thus far are partly to blame for it as well. If we lose 3 more townies tonight I'm pretty sure we're fucked.
I don't care who believes your claim. Most everyone believed BH's claim. Almost nobody's been listening to me this whole game even when I've brought up valid points. As far as your claim, I see no reason to believe it unless we get a scum roleblocker or JOAT flip.
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Well then go ahead and try to get me lynched, Geript. I've got very little left here.
Cosmic (bullet point style)
- Has initial town-read on GK but eventually flips his stance on him as the later days progress. If he was scum he could have easily kept his town stance to appear innocent rather than attempt to apologize it alter, drawing more attention to himself. A little WIFOM-y but whatever.
-Overall hasn't done a great deal that has seemed obviously scum-motivated, but there has been a lot of 'I'm going to do this' from him which he never does: (look into TPS, look into me, address all the cases made against him---HE HAS NOT DONE THIS AT ALL)
I don't have a strong read on him either way - as of right now he looks null to me. I'm going to do a massive re-read of the thread and assuming I live through the night I will posting stronger reads tomorrow.I am aware I've promised this for a while but I haven't had much time until recently.
I'm going to be looking into zare again as I've forgotten about him for a while and something cosmic said made me think about BH's mason targets....
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Hi I've been reading the thread but to be honest I am pretty disheartened with the whole situation. For what it's worth I have a solid town read on Wave of shadow.
Somethings I didn't;t like recently.
On March 25 2013 03:05 VisceraEyes wrote:
Hi guys I'm back. Reading now
gerpit: it had flavor - but it was implicit that I took a hit.
This is the second time Viscera Eyes has said something similar to this and just disappeared afterwards. These false promises of activity are really scummy. VE was a really really solid scum read of mine until his claim. I think it would have been retarded to fake claim by holding back KP day one. But not impossible.
He is a question that needs to be solved. But honestly I am too worried about mislynching to take a risk on VE. Maybe he is the best choice. IDK.
The other thing I didn;t like was this.
On March 24 2013 21:12 zarepath wrote: I know I was voting for cosmicomics, but after reading Wiggles' filter I'd thought he wouldn't be that bad of a lynch, either. Honestly, that guy needs to flip soon. It seems as though nobody is really willing to talk about him. Does anybody have a town read on him, and why?
On March 24 2013 22:03 glurio wrote:
Well didn't think that would happen.
Can we lynch cosmicomics now please?
These kind of posts are super weird after we mislynched again. When I mislynch three times in a row my confidence is shot. I double and triple think every read because I am worried about mis-lynching again. So when people come straight out after a mislynch like that fearlessly wanting to lynch into lynch bait. It worries me immensely.
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ryu and geript are who im looking at for lynch tomorrow. I dont think WOS has faked his claim. Kenpachi looks legit cosmicomic im 50/50 on I dont really know if anything I have seen makes him scummy. doyouhas is flying low. kita has also been flying real low. Hes ignoring me alot too I dunno why. Same with Dbz. Only people who are not ignoring me are people who never played with me before. anyway im town. I know it looks like shit that I wanted to lynch wiggles but I honestly considered him a good chance to flip scum.
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DP and Coag your thinking is very much in line with mine.
DP your mention of the loss of confidence forcing a re-read is exactly where I'm at right now. I'm not sure the posts by glurio and zare mean anything but since I'll be looking into the both of them for tomorrow I'll keep it in mind.
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@DP - I think it is safe to say that VE was town when BH masoned him. The logical way for a townie mason to operate is to mason other townies to improves scumhunting. Masoning scumreads is only likely to get you killed. Because of this I think it is reasonable to assume that BH would choose townies to start off with, that way he could justify his choices if he had to claim and would also have 2 townies that would likely be on his side because he was 'right' and discussed in-thread action with them. Also, the sequence of events just seems unbelievable for scum to make up. VE starts with a super-spotlight grabbing idea (SAST), follows it with revealing BH as a mason, then claims vet, then reveals a 3p with the acceptance line in it. The way that VE has pursued scum reads has sometimes been scummy, but almost everything else surrounding him points to town/3p.
Right now what concerns me the most are the people who have been coming in from time to time with large, thought out, persuasive posts. Unfortunately that is not a small group this game. I refuse to believe that even this town has utterly failed to provide any good analysis on people. So when I see that over the course of day2 we managed to put forth 3 townies and 1 probable townie as the lynch options, I have to think that town is being manipulated.
My advice if I happen to die tonight is to treat tomorrow like a second day1. Wipe the slate clean for everyone, IE your town/scum leanings, and proceed as if it was day1 with a ton of source material to talk about. We are all making assumptions that are screwing us, let go of your current scum reads, look at the game with fresh eyes, and see if you come to the same conclusion or if someone new sticks out to you even more.
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@DYH should I just throw out my notes and reread making new notes then?
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Hell no, don't throw out notes. Use some doublethink. Allow yourself to look at the same information with fresh eyes, then compare with your notes.
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So re-read and make new notes then compare. k.
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On March 25 2013 13:03 WaveofShadow wrote:
In any case all of that is just speculation and isn't important right now considering we can't even hunt scum. Cosmic you think kita is scum and I think he's town. Care to elaborate? I'm honestly not so certain of my reads anymore considering how the game has gone thus far. Really wish I could actually fucking use my night action.
Of course; if anything I plan to elaborate all of tomorrow. I'm just waiting for his response concerning glurio for the final piece in my case.
I haven't bothered defending myself because
1) most people haven't made an honest effort to lynch me, and instead have been riding on atmosphere / feelings
2) the people who have, I haven't seen particularly strong points. Am I conceited? Maybe. But I don't think it's really beneficial to go back, find every instance of suspicion on me, and then address them point by point. I'll address the cases if they become relevant.
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On March 25 2013 14:16 Coagulation wrote:
ryu and geript are who im looking at for lynch tomorrow.
Do you think Wade Fell's interaction with geript was all faked and planned out?
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I'm delaying for like 2 hrs the night will continue
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Day 4
VisceraEyes the Coward is dead! (The Coward is a standard vet role that avoids one night hit.)
Coagulation the Fool is dead!
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huh these night kills are getting weird. Perhaps I need to totally rethink everything I am taking for granted.
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uh wow. Okay. I was clearly completely wrong about VE too, I should probably keep things simple.
I'm gonna go to bed, reread in the morning and try to rethink things.
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well, that's interesting...
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On March 25 2013 14:15 DarthPunk wrote:
These kind of posts are super weird after we mislynched again. When I mislynch three times in a row my confidence is shot. I double and triple think every read because I am worried about mis-lynching again. So when people come straight out after a mislynch like that fearlessly wanting to lynch into lynch bait. It worries me immensely.
What about cosmicomics makes him lynch bait? I mean, people are simply ignoring him or refusing to talk about him, and I don't understand why town is so eager to ignore him. I've felt like he's looked scummy every single day, and while some have agreed and others have simply ignored him, I haven't heard anybody read him as town. You call him "lynch bait" but don't say how or why he looks scummy enough to be lynch bait, or what about him makes him town that just looks scummy.
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On March 19 2013 13:28 Wade Fell wrote:Show nested quote +On March 19 2013 12:37 geript wrote:
Did you see my last post VE? Do you think BH would make that night post after a town flip? You know what geript? I'm tired of you flinging shit like a monkey in a zoo from the sidelines. If you had something to say, you'd have said it during D1. Everything you've done this game has been with the purpose of hurting town, and you're just mad I've attacked you and other people who didn't like VE's idea for forming a town circle. Your so-called evidence regarding how I began this night is bullshit, like everything else you spew. of COURSE I look into the filters of dead townies. of COURSE I'll take his reads into account. we were literally talking about this over the course of the mafia podcast, but you didn't absorb any of that because you're just another grush, just another player who is worthless as a townie, so worthless scum keeps him alive until lylo because he never does anything remotely useful, the perfect scum player. VE told me to hold back on attacking you tonight, he said that he'd try to coax something useful out of you, but what's this? You're flinging shit at everything useful town has tried to do this game, because the very idea of veterans, of skilled players, trying to hunt scum is offensive to you. You're just a fly, geript, a fly on the wall that I will crush like all the other players who stand against me this game. I'm tired of listening to your garbage. tomorrow try to start a wagon on me, I fucking dare you. I'll lynch you first.
I really doubt that geript is scum considering how hard WF worked to go after him. Geript was WF's back-up for his TPC obsession.
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