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 Also i'm on tablet during the wekends so i might not be posting as much initially but oh well | ||
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I think that everyone who is contributing should have lower priority than those who are not posting but anyway only until we got everyone to post so we can be sure that we're looking for the mafia when they actually posted already  marv, ve what dou you think of my idea? Also im still posting from tablet which is pretty annoying so i will be able to play properly in about 6 hours when im back home. | ||
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On March 10 2013 23:49 Oatsmaster wrote: What is your idea exactly? Not personality claiming? Waiting for people to post? ??? Well yeah i think personality claiming doesn't matter at all it's just for fun except for the powers and we should probably just play like we're supposed to and focus on getting everyone to post. I think that putting the thought out there that people can't just lurk is a good start for that and anyway, waiting for people to post is pretty much normal during day 1 :p | ||
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On March 10 2013 16:22 VisceraEyes wrote: Oh is that what this is? Pressuring lurkers to contribute? Oh cool, well by all means. Tell me how it works out and make sure you spell out your methodology in the postgame after we lynch the fuck out of you. I just said what is scummy - your swing from "aggressive fuck" to "whatever I'm just doin my thang" feels fake and diplomatic. And now you're in here excusing your shit when I've barely accused you. Actually do something if you think I'm wasting my time. In the meantime, you're must making me nice and cozy where I'm at. For instance, what about Crossfire did you not like? You said "at least my vote was somewhere meaningful" as if you've made some kind of contribution to the thread by placing it - why don't you explain it a little bit? I'm back earlier than I thought and I thought about the fact that a lot of people asked for this game to start in the weekend so I would expect more of them to be posting which isn't the case so I think it makes it likely that mafia is simply lurking. Sure there might still be mafia posting early and we should look at all options but one of our priorities is to get inactive people to post I think. So yeah that should be around the number of 6 I didn't count them all but Foolishness and sloosh are among them. I quoted that post above cause I wouldn't mind lynching VE actually. Also Oats putting the idea out there is already a good start to pressure lurkers into posting so I don't know why you sound so opposed to the idea  | ||
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On March 11 2013 02:55 VisceraEyes wrote: LOL this game. Vivax maybe you can explain what about that post you didn't like? Maybe explain why it's scummy and why you want to lynch me? Yamato is just butthurt that I found him so fast, but what's your excuse? There is no excuse I just think it's scummy (you say yamato wants to pressure lurkers just to look like contributing and I did the same but you didn't attack me for it, sooooo...) by the way why did you call it excuse do you think I'm scum faking something? Cause it wouldn't make any sense for me to be pretending something when I just expressed my interest into lynching you Anyway I would also be happy to lynch those people speaking in riddles regardless of them roleplaying someone to force them to post something more meaningful regardless of the roleplaying. Yes it would be a policy lynch (duh) but I would like other townies to agree with me on trying to make them post something useful and not just this weird stuff (Even if you roleplay you should show that you're taking a pro-town direction with it). I'm just not sure who I would prefer out of Kurumi or Bugs yet :/ , Bugs seems rather willing to call others scum with his riddling though so it's probably Kurumi as first choice. There's also another guy I find suspicious but I'll see how he performs before calling him out. | ||
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On March 11 2013 06:20 cDgCorazon wrote: I think Strongandbig's argument is very good. It's very convincing, but we are still a long time away from the deadline. Other than that, I've just seen a lot of nonsense and posts that I cannot understand. I was the first one to start scum hunting, don't accuse me of not doing that... Also, it's a bit frustrating to try and scumhunt and then have 5 people complain that no one has scumhunted... [vivax] You think his argument is very good? His case is pretty big what exactly do you think is good about it or what parts do you think are good? If you think his argument is good why aren't you pushing Oats and say we're far away from deadline? [/vivax] | ||
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On March 11 2013 06:34 Kurumi wrote: Just because I did something you did not agree with in LX does not mean that is a valid reason to vote me. I don't know do you want half of this town or mafia or who is doing that to be speaking in riddles and roleplaying so we have no idea what they're talking about? Cause that's the main point I am trying to bring across, if you want to roleplay make it pro-town and understandable and I will have no reason to vote for you. | ||
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On March 11 2013 06:57 cDgCorazon wrote: I think he makes good points. If you're going to make me repeat what he is saying and then try to hammer me for it, it's not going to happen. I'm not pushing Oats because I am pushing my own read (Yamato). Just because SnB's case is good doesn't give us an excuse to sit around for 24+ hours and do nothing. I've already said why Yamato is scummy and now I'm voting for him. It's pretty simple. I don't think I said I wanted to hammer you it's just strange that you comment on someone's case as being very good without reacting to it by either voting for the guy in the case or putting it into relation with your own case. I don't understand why you are so afraid of me I just asked you something that made me curious Why aren't you trying to persuade me about the yamato lynch then? You too Kurumi I only asked you to write in a way that is understandable I don't get why you react like that (also you failed to roleplay didn't I break the Chezinu role or something like that ? ) | ||
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On March 11 2013 07:09 marvellosity wrote: er, if Kurumi is mod-confirmed town-aligned for today, then we're not lynching him How is that mod-confirmed we don't know if that role belongs to scum or town and how it works. You disappoint me marv | ||
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On March 11 2013 07:12 marvellosity wrote: the host said Kurumi is town-aligned what more do you want? Are you serious the host also tell an insane DT that his target is the opposite of what he really is that doesn't mean it is what the host said it is. Anyway I like that Kurumi went off Chezinu mode, time to move on to the next riddler: ##Unvote ##Vote Promethelax | ||
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On March 11 2013 07:16 marvellosity wrote: yes it does, in that instance the host is 100% telling the truth, it's just the role that's insane. if you're looking for mafia in the guy that the host said was town, you're doing it wrong. What I could say too: "The host is 100 % telling the truth it's just that the role tells "player X is town" regardless of alignment" we have no way of knowing. | ||
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On March 11 2013 07:35 marvellosity wrote: just looks and feels like town oats so far, s&b Have you forgotten that we are roleplaying ? Marv what do you make of Corazon please. | ||
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Well those are also my questions cause the way he handled S & B's post doesn't make much sense, he dodged my question now he seems to be dodging yours which is essentially the same. He kinda looks to me like noob scum, says things that look acceptable without showing real interest behind what he's saying. He doesn't pursue his own case while saying S & B's is very good but doesn't push for an Oats lynch either. | ||
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On March 11 2013 08:06 cDgCorazon wrote: I'm not afraid of you, it's just that I don't trust anyone right now, and I could see how scum Vivax would turn that around on me. I'll be coming out with a case a few hours before the deadline. It's too early now and I know that cases presented too early in the day just lose so much traction (My case on WB in NMM 37). Dude, this shitty logic is bad for your standards Marv. Why are you attacking me for having the same view as you? We literally just said the same thing (like the case but don't want to vote for it). You are saying that you are not going to vote because it does not make Oats mafia and I said I'd rather see Yamato lynched than Oats. What is the problem with that? The thing is, Oats' meta is not the main part of the case. BnS laid out many reasons as to why he thinks Oats is scum and I just made a comment that I liked his case and that it had a lot of valid points in it. Let me ask you this Marv: Would you rather I... Say "I agree with SnB" and just vote for Oats? or Say "I think it's a good case but I'm going to continue to scumhunt and push my top scum read" If you prefer #1 it would be such a glaring scumtell. You refuse to comment on a case you like cause you are afraid of scum making a case on you for that? Can you repeat what I just said cause I'm not sure if I can believe what you said. | ||
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With this, he's up for lynch. @ Hiro Hiro thoughts on Corazon? | ||
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On March 11 2013 09:14 VisceraEyes wrote: You'll get that from BC regardless of his alignment, but yeah I don't want to lynch him either. I kinda want to lynch Intact. He's been "reading" for quite a while - that's the kind of post I'd expect from scum trying to appear like they're doing something. PEdit: I think Yamato is MZ - he seemed to think he would "clear up" the Kurumi situation, and he doesn't strike me as a player who would think a mod message would clear shit up. Way to say you don't want to lynch him despite it looking obvious it was him. When you say he doesn't strike you as a player like that you subtly say that he would do that as town right, do you think he's town? | ||
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On March 11 2013 09:18 yamato77 wrote: The reveal and shot were my role I will not apologize for giving a martyr his death. Well that's cool. I suppose you had to shoot day1 cause of your role but your choice of target is telling. ##Vote yamato77 Anyone opposing a yamato lynch? | ||
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On March 11 2013 09:25 HiroPro wrote: yamato is probably not ballsy enough to shoot a confirmed town as mafia. even if he is compulsive, it would have been much easier to simply pick someone who is trolling. I didn't get the chance to taste such a delicious wifom in a long time in defence of a guy who just shot a crazy strong role after something announced him being town (despite being of unknown origin, it should be enough to not let you shoot him if you're town). | ||
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On March 11 2013 09:27 VisceraEyes wrote: You're misunderstanding me. He wouldn't claim "I can clear this shit up" and just post a mod-message regardless of his alignment. He's well-known enough as a good player that if he tried that, he would be instantly called out. As it turns out, I was mistaken and he did, in fact, put up the announcement too. The jury is still out on Yamato - although I will say that he took advantage of an opportunity to "confirm" his role by killing a townie. That makes him look worse to me...much worse indeed. He didn't even think he was scum - the only time he even says he thinks he's scum is when he says "Watch this, pro GF snipe here". Well good I'll take this as you willing to lynch him. Honestly I don't understand what you're waiting for are you expecting him to argue his way out of this? He looks worse cause of this and on this he should be judged, not on what happens later that might change your opinion cause there's something else catching your attention .So yeah, we should be lynching yamato today as general consensus the scumhunt still continues although in that case the other scum will know that they won't be lynched today, but that might reveal them later on actually. | ||
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You don't need me to write a defence to every point to see what's already there for you, just compare it with my filter and check for yourselves please. I'll mention a few things nonetheless: 1. Cora is scummy, I have said so and pushed him and opinions on him by asking many questions. → VE lied. + Show Spoiler + On March 11 2013 07:46 Vivax wrote: Well those are also my questions cause the way he handled S & B's post doesn't make much sense, he dodged my question now he seems to be dodging yours which is essentially the same. He kinda looks to me like noob scum, says things that look acceptable without showing real interest behind what he's saying. He doesn't pursue his own case while saying S & B's is very good but doesn't push for an Oats lynch either. 2.Yamato's actions in shooting Kurumi are scummy. Opinions may differ but it's enough for me to lynch him he took the risk of shooting a possibly mod-confirmed townie where it should have at least gave him a benefit of the doubt to not get vigged. 3.I've mentioned one of the points I've found scummy about VE's post, so I did reply to VE (with link) although it's not the only reason: you say yamato wants to pressure lurkers just to look like contributing and I did the same but you didn't attack me for it So basically I don't know what makes me so scummy my stances are clear I don't comment on meaningless stuff and I tried to get people to post/post in a way that is understandable for town (although stopped after Prom cause I can follow him regardless and got my attention caught by Cora). That said I think it's a really bad idea to want to keep yamato alive after that stunt. Don't know if Foolishness is town yet but if he genuinely thinks I'm scum then he must not be as good as people think , he played with me as scum so he should know better. | ||
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, I'll take a look at Bugs later when I'm back but one argument that comes to my mind spontaneously is that he kept pushing Kurumi after the announcement came so it looks strange to me that he would keep pushing him as scum knowing the announcement was right when the mod says otherwise to the whole thread, so that kinda put him on the town side of things.Otherwise, if you are scum yamato then your teammates knew that the announcement was right and I'm looking at people saying Kurumi was modconfirmed without doubting the announcement, marv especially. But that's for a lot later, I'll look at your future play now. | ||
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(You know with quotes, "he's scum cause bsbsbsbs, and we should bsbsbsbs" sorry iamp I stole this from you cause it's awesome )Your 180° switch on Cora marv pointed out is strange and it was a reaction to you being contradicted in multiple points, rather looks like you try to stay lined up with the things marv says rather than believing them yourself. Also you baaaaah and uuuuugh a lot when you're scum but this is an experimental heuristic. As to Corazon he showed up to attack marv saying he was shitting up the thread and didn't push neither Oats nor yamato, he didn't show up when I proposed the yamato lynch in a very obvious way either which should be his main priority so to me it looks like he's not serious about his reads and only comes out when he feels threatened. | ||
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Doesn't look to me like suspicious townie rather like scum that doesn't mind switching his target to a guy that's basically grushlike as town and unknown as mafia since he was scared of pushing a guy who has been announced as town. | ||
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On March 12 2013 01:23 HiroPro wrote: Are youa moron vivax? No I just think your play might be scum motivated so I'm inquiring. You only comment on few people and stutters has been one of my favourite choices to push early as scum in earlier games cause you don't have to do much. He doesn't reply quickly and has few posts without being very confrontative so it's a comfortable target to push as scum. Also no one sees much of a reason to defend him cause people don't know if he's town or not based on so little. But anyway just go on with it if you think it's the best course of action. | ||
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On the other hand his reaction just now looks strangely defensive I'm not used to that, I mostly got OMGUSED by him for attacking him when he was town so I'll FoS stutters so I don't have to go vote in the thread | ||
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2. Yet you didn't care that yamato shot your fresh confirmed townread and immediately jumped in to defend him. 3. Your next target was a general hard-to-read-low-activity guy who on top of that just now claimed that he was roleplaying. | ||
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On March 12 2013 02:07 Dandel Ion wrote: Oh, and Marvello is town. I'll let that simmer through. Well it's useless for us if you tell us just makes scum more scared to attack him if that's the case and he's not under pressure anyway. If you think someone is town you don't push him so it seems most of the thread currently shares your opinion another reason to keep it to yourself. Why do people post these things | ||
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On March 12 2013 02:15 yamato77 wrote: What is your read on anything? This "sit back and watch" approach of yours is highly suspicious. Town super isn't a weak little snipey shit, but scum super is. I agree with this | ||
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As to marv's question why yamato claimed: Me and someone else said it was probably him after the shot cause he repeatedly announced that he would take steps against Kurumi and (I think that's how his role works cause an invisible dayvig is OP and I've only seen that in LVIII where it was so strong I had a super fun time shooting you bitches out of nowhere, good times) well, it looks to me like he doesn't mention that part of his role cause it's convenient for him since people like you argue he can't be mafia cause of that. Any other explanation for claiming dayvig on his own is stupid, especially the way he did, cause even after the announcement where he should've known Kurumi was town, he posted in a dickish way. And the contradiction slOosh mentioned is pretty damning looks to me like yamato is throwing reads around without really believing what he says in that case. | ||
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On March 11 2013 02:51 yamato77 wrote: Iamp let's lynch VE On March 11 2013 03:00 yamato77 wrote: VE not reading, just lurking. Speak and he shall appear. On March 11 2013 06:59 yamato77 wrote: i'm at work you asshat it's in my filter What I will do is solve this Kurumi problem right now. Hey Iamp let's lynch VE. Oh Kurumi is roleplaying in a roleplaying game better shoot him over my scumread. Yeah makes sense. | ||
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I have to be honest I don't have strong scumreads yet aside from him and keep searching for other options but yamato is a guy who I don't want around with all these doubts about him and some weird defences that don't seem to make sense. No stupid things, we go the safe way and lynch the guy who killed town D1 without any remorse. He should be lynched today | ||
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On March 12 2013 04:41 supersoft wrote: yes thats true. and thats also true. but the delay is also strange. and the timing is - in my opinion - only wrong for a townie. So wrong I want to cry. Assume yamato is in a team with really good guys that are coaching him how to play, cause it's not an unlikely option in a game with such players. Saying someone is a cop check candidate as a reason to not lynch him is really weird. Didn't I read something about MZ being GF in some game? | ||
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On March 12 2013 04:47 Stutters695 wrote: You're taking a chance on a lynch because of a vig shot rather than him being the scummiest person. He's active and thus will reveal himself. What do you think of Crossfire, WBG or slOosh? Surely they're scummier than Yamato if you ignore the vigshot? I think the way SlOosh is pushing the lynch shows he really wants to get him lynched so I don't think he's scum. As for crossfire, he didn't post much but called out a few people, claimed to be busy and sheeped Mocsta on Bugs while not thinking yamato is scum so I'll roll with slightly town cause I feel that he's putting himself out there and actually interested in taking part in the game. Bugs idk but I would probably policy lynch him if he doesn't change his play cause I understand less than I'd like to. | ||
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Also yours isn't a question it's a statement, I took a look at his filter and this is the summary of it. + Show Spoiler + he didn't post much but called out a few people, claimed to be busy and sheeped Mocsta on Bugs while not thinking yamato is scum so I'll roll with slightly town cause I feel that he's putting himself out there and actually interested in taking part in the game. | ||
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If you want to lynch me marv make your case I would love to see it, "Vivax is scum cause of a slight townread on player when asked and doesn't want to talk about it and bsbsbsbs". Bad marv = scummarv. Anyway I want to lynch yamato and if he flips red we will have a nice bunch of other people to lynch. Other than yamato Corazon posted some weird stuff and the rest is in my filter. Bugs as policy lynch if he doesn't change his play and cause I hate Chezinu. Others I'm not sure on. ##Vote yamato77 | ||
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On March 12 2013 05:40 iamperfection wrote: sloosh is the best lynch by far. He looks like a scum that decided that the one way to contribute was to simply comment on the yamato situation. Other than that he is completly absent on comenting on anything else that is where are votes should be going. Hiro not the best lynch anymore? | ||
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On March 12 2013 05:43 iamperfection wrote: currently i have all 3 of those players as green. Maybe you are bad though. It's possible I'm bad but I mainly care about the first player anyway it's just that marv and Hiro seem to be very eager to defend him and his terrible shot on Kurumi so it also makes sense for them to keep defending him so hard, if he flips red then they will look much worse (but then again even if he flips green it would be useful for them to be defending him like this). | ||
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On March 12 2013 06:06 risk.nuke wrote: Agreed. Vivax is nothing special nor is the case against him. Foolishness name is the only thing carrying that lynch. What do you mean I'm nothing special do you think I'm town? Praise the lord there are actually people who are able to read me. | ||
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On the other hand he's still not the main lynch candidate so he's probably not mafia. | ||
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.I am actually questioning my own reads while thinking this cause one of the common mistakes is to attack the people who are posting a lot since you tend to focus a lot on reading their posts in scumhunt mode and so many things can look scummy while maybe they aren't, in reality .That said I wish to reorder things and take a conservative approach. Scratch yamato for the moment and focus on getting rid of two things: Trolls and lurkers, I would wish to start with prplhz for that and I don't care if he claimed that role is only useful for himself anyway. His posting style looks a lot like LIX and that's bad ##Unvote ##Vote prplhz So yeah then there's Bugs who's also trolling I don't care at all if we lynch him instead of prplhz I just think that a Bugs mislynch would hurt more than a prplhz mislynch so I would start by risking the latter. It was obvious that he's lurking the thread when Bugs faked the shot and his excuse is "I'm bad so I don't post" well then don't play the game and go obs if you're just dead weight and think it too. Looks to me just like an excuse to hide. As for marv I'll see how he performs but as said that hard defence of yamato looks scummy cause on second thought he also gets credit if yamato is town. Regarding the crossfire thing: It was a slight townread upon asked so I don't really give two shits about him but I don't see evidence to think he's scum instead I feel he made himself more present than other guys in the thread, I don't like when people push me to explain townreads when they could simply try to persuade me that he's scum or persuade others to vote for him if they truly think he's scum so I think marv's and stutters' behaviour towards me was kinda suspicious. I'm also the most important guy in the game so it's better if you don't lynch me | ||
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On March 12 2013 06:38 marvellosity wrote: you don't know how to make reads if i apparently look bad regardless of yamato's alignment. Useful comment I must say, marv so gud Why Bugs over prplhz? | ||
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So well, be marv and convince people then. Swing your magic wand. | ||
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I think Bugs contributed by faking that shot on prplhz and showing us his lurky nature so that's something. Ver didn't even read his role PM or post after saying that so yeah | ||
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In that case contribution is anything that gives us information so Bugs is definitely better on that line than Ver. | ||
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On March 12 2013 07:03 VisceraEyes wrote: I'm back, but I'm real depressed. I'm reading the thread now, but I'm not hopeful for today. Everything seems all jumbled up and I can't focus. Everyone seems scummy to me for various reasons and I'm fighting the urge to vote all of you. ALL of you. UGH. On March 12 2013 01:10 Vivax wrote: VE you complain to marv that he didn't read your case on me yet you have failed to comment on the counterpoints I brought against it, so bring me your updated case where you actually show what you say by quoting it for now it's all just a bunch of lies and misrepresentations you are not willing to correct when pointed out in proper way by me (You know with quotes, "he's scum cause bsbsbsbs, and we should bsbsbsbs" sorry iamp I stole this from you cause it's awesome )Your 180° switch on Cora marv pointed out is strange and it was a reaction to you being contradicted in multiple points, rather looks like you try to stay lined up with the things marv says rather than believing them yourself. Also you baaaaah and uuuuugh a lot when you're scum but this is an experimental heuristic. As to Corazon he showed up to attack marv saying he was shitting up the thread and didn't push neither Oats nor yamato, he didn't show up when I proposed the yamato lynch in a very obvious way either which should be his main priority so to me it looks like he's not serious about his reads and only comes out when he feels threatened. | ||
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On March 12 2013 07:12 VisceraEyes wrote: Vivax do you think I'm scum? Maybe you should rustle up a case against me rather than spouting some nonsense about how often I onomatopoeically exasperate in the thread? Huh? Yeah? No you have to respond to my case I'm actually on the receiving end and I don't see a reason why you forgot that you called me, bugs and yamato scum after coming back saying that everyone looks scummy to you all of a sudden. Bugs you aren't a jester right. | ||
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I am actually scared of lynching Bugs more after his lynch. ##Unvote | ||
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1. You never said you think Cora is scummy. You said you thought his actions were strange, and you specifically tell him that you're not attacking him. The only question in your entire filter directed to him is "Why don't you try and convince me of a yamato lynch" which, by the way, he DID respond to....by trying to convince you of a Yamato lynch. Yet you referenced "questions you want answered" a couple of times in your filter as if you'd made a case on him that you were waiting on a response to. Here, I'll quote it so you can't call me a liar anymore. Well he was refusing to answer cause he was afraid of scum making a case on him if he pushed his reads so I acted nice and he still didn't push them. Easier to get something useful out of the guy if he doesn't think I think he's scum but I'm not so good at that. 2. I explained later why yamato's actions are scummy, his choice of target sucked and was a comfortable target for scum, as you see no one except for a few are blaming yamato for Kurumi's death, so it was a successful shot for him. 3. Okay. VE you wanted to lynch yamato now you sound like you don't since you disagree on me thinking the shot was scummy what's up? | ||
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Why don't you like the "defence" you think he's scum or town? | ||
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On March 12 2013 07:52 austinmcc wrote: Reading is good. I'll save you the trouble of checking my filter. I think he's scum. I don't like your "defence" because defense is spelled with an s. Your "another priority" was giving a reason why bugs shouldn't be the lynch. You may not be saying "he's super townie," but he's on the chopping block and you're giving a reason for him not to be there. But the reason itself is bad, imo, because it LOOKS like you think he contributed something he didn't. Let alone that who contributed what =/= scumminess, and using that as your sole metric to make reads is an awful idea. But the fact that you didn't like him as a lynch previously because he'd "contributed," when in fact he wasn't the one to bring prplhz up, and all he did with prplhz was fake a shot...I fail to see how trolling is contributing. Well it's just your opinion on what is contributing and what not I am rather able to get a read on Bugs than on Ver and that's already more contributing by Bugs by my standards. Marv goes by contribution/post ratio and you go by strange heuristics cause you feel confident into reading trolls so idk. | ||
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On March 11 2013 15:52 VisceraEyes wrote: Here is a list of the thread actions Vivax has taken, in order. + Show Spoiler + Tip: Keep roles to ourselves. Lynching Lurkers > Posters Lynching VE for -post- No reason given. Misrepresents my argument for Yamato scum, says I didn't suspect him for it (so what..is he trying to associate himself with me? Saying he's my scumbuddy? What's the point?) Also says he's fine lynching people speaking in riddles. Attacks Cora for agreeing with SnB's case with no vote. Because apparently there can only be one scum ever. Does not vote for Cora Reassures Cora that he's not attacking him. Kurumi too. Even though... Tells the thread to still suspect Kurumi. Tells marv that mod can't be trusted. Votes someone else (Prom) for being "riddler" not scum. After the (called) shot was claimed, votes Yamato. No reason given. But seeking opposition immediately. Now, you'll notice a distinct lack of something in that list. At no time does Vivax ever imply that someone might be scum...except in the case of Kurumi, and recently Yamato. And in both of those cases, he never gives any reasoning for thinking so. Honestly, I'm kinda curious myself re: Yamato considering he was so fast to seek opposition to the lynch...but I digress. Vivax is not trying to find scum. He's posting for the sake of posting and making sure to interact with people up for lynch in a way that causes you to remember his name, but not what he did. This is scum-motivated play. wherebugsgo, Vivax, yamato | ||
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On March 12 2013 08:17 VisceraEyes wrote: Except...I never really hopped off Bugs did I Vivax? Nor give any indication that I don't want him to die. Funny, that. Are you nuts you just voted for crossfire out of nowhere when there's a steaming bandwagon on your scumread waiting for you. Doesn't look to me like you want him to die now does it? | ||
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I still think Bugs could be a good lynch target. I can't believe there would be a jester in this game Bugs is probably trying to achieve something else with this role. If there's a jester without the hosts telling us then it's a troll game anyway. I have a little theory about Bugs but I don't want to share it cause I actually want to see what happens with the lynch. Let's not forget he's impersonating Chezinu | ||
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Just tell me who you'd rather lynch between Ver and yamato (or prplhz) cause I'll drop my vote on that choice, it's getting late here. | ||
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On March 12 2013 04:19 Vivax wrote: As to marv's question why yamato claimed: Me and someone else said it was probably him after the shot cause he repeatedly announced that he would take steps against Kurumi and (I think that's how his role works cause an invisible dayvig is OP and I've only seen that in LVIII where it was so strong I had a super fun time shooting you bitches out of nowhere, good times) well, it looks to me like he doesn't mention that part of his role cause it's convenient for him since people like you argue he can't be mafia cause of that. | ||
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It's important that medics protect Foolishness tonight (he's not the only good one I would protect though) cause if you let one of the only guys die who is smart enough to actually see I'm town against VE's and marv's worrisome cases (they aren't this bad as town and just pushed a wagon on someone who wasn't scum after all) then this town deserves to lose. Him and a few others are your only hope do try to lynch me if you want but if you are a medic protect him. Most of you are probably guys who like to crawl up marv's butt that's natural, he plays to reach that objective but I remind you that this guy rolls scum too and that his reads are awful as scum. Suspecting me cause of responding to a question with a townread is part of that. If anything it can't be explained how marv and Hiro were so sure that the announcement made Kurumi confirmed town. They couldn't know where it came from, but they could know that Kurumi was indeed town. | ||
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On March 12 2013 20:19 marvellosity wrote: i have no idea why people are listening to foolish at all this game. he outried lied to put suspicion on me (said he was always suspicious of me when we played together), THEN lied again when i pulled him up (said we'd played town once), and THEN corrected his story once again to that he found me suspicious in the game I smurfed (LIX), which for the uneducated was the game I tunnelled 2 mafia Day 1, got elected and lynched a mafia, then lynched mafia every day It's piles upon piles of lies as an excuse to call me suspicious, and it's all fucking bullshit. He still hasn't explained WHY HE WOULD LIE ABOUT IT in order to call me suspicious. He said he thinks you're scum but he actually always thinks you're scum so I don't see how he's lying to put suspicion on you. You're making up things. He just says he isn't sure about his read on you. Don't see why would have to lie to say something like that it's not even to say that you're scum, it's actually a way of saying he doesn't know if you're scum. Ver might be a vig shot but prplhz is a better one he's actively useless and looks like the LIX prplhz. He also said Bugs "What you shot me over other assholes in the thread" so he knows he's playing like an asshole but doesn't want to change that, shoot him. I need to look at crossfire again though cause his posts before lynch don't look good but I just came back so I'll go for a more analytic approach. | ||
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@ S & B + Show Spoiler + On March 12 2013 21:48 strongandbig wrote: Hahahahaha But seriously Yamato you gotta put your money where your mouth is man, if you're town you're like mislynch target alpha for scum right now so starting to look townie is a pretty good option. Anyway I'm glad we didn't end up killing crossfire; his posting really shaped up after I left last night, and if I'd been around I would have switched off of him. Not sure onto who, probably vivax. The way this turned out does make the last minute switch guys look good, although not conclusively so (I have been in games where scum organized a last-minute switch from one townie onto another townie, confusing as fuck) I ended up being right about bugs being third party, but wrong about him being a jester or village idiot, so good news there too. This is a scummy thing to say would you tell to someone you're not sure of being town to start looking like he's town? Do you want to find out he's scum or do you want him to give you reasons to not believe he is? | ||
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On March 12 2013 21:59 Oatsmaster wrote: Prp is a good vig shot, Useless prp is scum prp. Also Vivax, how sure are you that Foolishness is town? Also directing blue roles is utterly NOT COOL. Look at his first post. I believe he chose me as scumread pretty much at random cause I'm a nice mislynch target, and VE followed it brainlessly, upon which Foolish asked him if he reads with his eyes or his mind. So yeah, it lured a few nice reactions (yours too I think you disappoint me Oats) Then he comes in and actually defends me against marv/Ve who are not willing to listen to one of the strongest players of this forum. Marv's arguments for lynching me suck from A-Z so I'm currently leaning scum on the guy, he also says wrong things about what Foolishness said about him as pointed out in my recent post. So well, based on him wanting to lynch yamato and defending me against players who are able to influence groupie-townies just with their name I'm pretty confident Foolish is town. If he wasn't he would be better off pushing my mislynch unison with the good-rep players. Then he didn't agree on the Bugs lynch when scum knew that Bugs was town/something else so he could have simply laid back and watch the lynch. As for the night actions you just made yourself ridiculous lol. Directing them is not cool but you ask for a prplhz shot yourself? | ||
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I skimmed the thread this morning before posting the post where I ask for medic protection on him so I must have missed that. Didn't even read properly yet cause I'm busy answering questions to Oats and calling S & B out. | ||
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On March 12 2013 22:10 Dandel Ion wrote: The fuck is this shit Vivax. You're not this bad. I know you're not. Stop pretending to be. This is your first post since 12 hours wow are you roleplaying yourself in British II? | ||
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On March 12 2013 22:11 marvellosity wrote: why are you calling for medic protection on a CLAIMED LIAR and defending him as NOT A LIAR if you've NOT EVEN READ HIS FUCKING POSTS? Cause I didn't read his post but have him as town cause of his earlier actions before he claimed the lie. Simple answer. I still would want him protected after lying cause it's so insignificant. Not going to doubt he's town for now. | ||
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On March 12 2013 22:12 Oatsmaster wrote: I said he is a good shot, like 5 other people. big whoop. You are basically asking for protection, for a person you arent even sure of as town. Defending mislynchable townies isnt a towntell at all. Any player could do it. Also why the fuck does he also wanting to lynch your target a town tell? Again all these things just make you feel good. *Oh foolishness is defending me he must be town. Oh he is voting for the same person Im voting for? OH MY I JUST LED FOOLISHNESS ONTO A LYNCH!!!!* so yeah. Oh it's cool you know I'm town | ||
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On March 12 2013 22:24 Oatsmaster wrote: Oh its cool that you totally ignored the meat of that message and choosed to focus on the littlest bit in your favor. Cute. You scumslipped you don't have me as town in your reads. Shoot Oats or lynch him tomorrow | ||
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On March 12 2013 22:28 iamperfection wrote: Those who don't learn from the past are doomed to repeat it Iamp I would like to add something: scum have motivation to switch a lynch from a townie who's likely to get lynched to another townie so they can claim to not have been on the wrong wagon once townie 1 gets lynched. In VE's and marv's case they were strong endorsers of the Bugs wagon initially but jumped off it to switch to crossfire or me. Crossfire I had as town but I'm not sure on yet but I think I'll roll with town cause there are scummier people currently, and I am town. | ||
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On March 12 2013 22:35 Oatsmaster wrote: Again kinda cute. But its getting old. I am assuming you are town in that paragraph because you have given foolishness a town read cause you are town. So from the perspective that you displayed, I am saying why its totally wrong. Any other 'scumslips'? Well let's put the scumslip aside for now then and affront your argument: I think Foolishness is town and your argument is not going to change anything about it, if you think I'm scum then why are you trying to dissuade me from saying Foolishness is town? | ||
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On March 12 2013 22:37 Mocsta wrote: Vivax You have a hard-on for Foolishness because he was the only one that defended your 'town' honour. Consider this... already he "knew" you were town.. actually makes a bit of sense. One of the best TL Mafia players comes in Now, whether my "tale" is true or not. i dont know. You will have to ask foolishness. But when the a majority of the thread is against you, and guy defends you SOLELY on meta... i think thats concerning. You're one of the most unpredictable guys on this forum, and by virtue one of the hardest to read on meta.. yet he does it having played one/two games with you?? Something is not adding up here. Well I think Foolish' initial post was a way of fishing for reactions since I'm subject to mislynches and scum pushing me and townies failing to read me, he had basically given zero reasoning for doing what he did and it lured two suspicious sheeps: VE and Oats quickly. Anyway Mocsta I'm not scum and I think marv is trying to push me in the foreground with all he's doing, not trying to determine if I'm scum. I know I'm loud and catch attention easily in negative ways but if you look at LX I managed to not get myself lynched until people figured out the play with the NKs, there is a reason I don't give a fuck early this game and it's cause I'm town. If you think I'm hard to read then I suggest you start from the safe assumption I'm town or put me as scum in your 4/5 list and we discuss other options, cause there's nothing productive coming out of me being in the crossfire and marv shoveling shit at me as of now. I discuss my reads openly and with no fear so it should become obvious in not much time that I'm not scum. | ||
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On March 12 2013 22:47 Oatsmaster wrote: Because my argument is wrong? But it isnt. Im trying to convince people that foolishness is scum, you are people right? Also to not fucking waste night actions on him. It's pretty scummy you are willing to risk one of the strongest town players to get NKd without even knowing what yamato's or my alignment is (and thus the validity of Foolishness' reads). He was right about not pushing Bugs, so that's one more in his favour over people like marv and VE. I would like to hear your arguments for why you think Foolish is scum cause it's not me you have to dissuade from protting him, it's the medics. | ||
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On the other hand after I flip town cause of that Foolish would look better for defending me early. So yeah maybe I'm a bit too fast on the Foolish read but I found his defense of me townie since I would have been a good mislynch candidate as well, if he kept pushing me together with marv and VE he could have gotten me killed but he didn't. I'll stick with town though cause there are scummier people than Foolish and losing him as town early is too big of a risk, if he's scum we will find out later anyway he's not the guy who can allow himself to make too many mistakes as town without being at danger of lynch. | ||
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On March 12 2013 23:12 marvellosity wrote: Vivax, please answer my question. It's a very simple one. I already answered that I missed that part initially (I tend to read my scumread's filters not my townread's but I'm at Foolishness' right now it's not very big), but I don't give it much weight anyway cause him lying/make a mistake about earlier games when it's to express being unsure about a scumread on you doesn't look like a malicious intent. If he said he was sure about you being scum and backed it up with lies then it'd be another matter but in this case you're riding on a lie/mistake or whatever it was regarding a point that looks irrelevant for discussion to me. Who cares if he always thought you're scum when he was playing scum and only thought you were town when he was actually coaching the game when the whole point of saying it was that he didn't feel sure about his scumread on you. What's the mafia motivation you see here cause I don't. | ||
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On March 12 2013 23:29 marvellosity wrote: The point is, you made a specific effort to discredit what I'd said about Foolish without checking either mine or his filter. Because if you'd have checked mine, then it would have been clear to you as well. I don't understand this at all from a town perspective. How can you claim I say wrong things when you've not even read what I've said. To be clear and repeat, you say marv also says wrong things about Foolishness as pointed out in my recent post. You're making a very specific claim here, one that's not backed up by you reading either of our filters. Why are you accusing me of making up things when I'm clearly not? If you've not read the thread or either of our filters properly, why are you accusing me of this? How can you possibly accuse me of this when you've not even read the relevant material? It's a very specific accusation you're making at me, that I'm making up things. Cause I didn't read things I thought you were making them up it happens when you tend to post compulsively based on not updated reads. Anyway I still lean scum on you that Foolishness thing is not the only reason but I'll post all my reasons when I see fit, for now I think arguing with you over these points only contributes to clogging up and serves no purpose cause you seem to be the only guy interested in them. Your filter is 12 pages almost all one-liners so that's already enough to deal with, did you get Bill Murray as role? | ||
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On March 12 2013 23:14 austinmcc wrote: Okay, read through what I've missed once. WHAT IS GOING ON!? I am not mayor. Boo. Vivax and marv are shitting up the thread. Boo. Vivax, you looked bad yesterday, but in a way that made me feel townie on you. I'm used to seeing you take crap on D1 as town, and it reminded me of games where that's happened. But all this crap with you and foolishness and marv is ridiculous. I'm going to throw away the bit where you didn't read posts, apparently, but made reads anyway. The part where you did not read posts, from a guy who doesn't have a lot of posts, but made reads anyway. One more time. The part of your read on Foolishness, the guy who hasn't been tremendously active, where you based your read on what you thought his posts might have said, but who cares because you don't need to read them. Instead, what is this? Within the last 5-10 pages, you (see above) based your read on Foolishness off what you thought his posts might have said. And now you're doing the same friggin thing. "I think Foolishness's initial post was this" when Foolishness said Foolishness - "I skimmed the thread and made an accusation that I realized was wrong when I went back and looked." Vivax - "I think Foolishness was trying to fish for reactions and he caught these two people." You always look scummy, but this is just straight out making stuff up and not listening to reason when you're clearly wrong. I remember you playing/looking scummy as town, but not outright just doing stuff like this. Stuck believing that this is real scumminess from you, and not the way you look as town. This is crap. In Bureaucracy, Foolishness was afk for a while, got crap for not making any cases or doing anything, came back and made a big case on Bill Murray, and throughout his time alive added some minor suspicions on BH and Palmar. BH and Palmar were both mafia, BM wasn't. Also, Foolishness was mafia. Basically, out of his mafia reads, 2/3 were right, and he was the head of the whole mafia. His alignment should absolutely not be predicated on whether his reads are good or not. Well yeah that was my own interpretation of his initial post on me and is also consistent with the fact I didn't look at his later posts before calling for medics on him. Consider me to have written things being still mentally in the phase before the Bugs lynch where Foolish didn't explain all his actions. Put circumstance on : "Vivax didn't read the thread properly after he went to sleep" and you will understand why I said these things. I might be lazy and bad for it but I'm not scum cause of it. | ||
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On March 12 2013 23:42 marvellosity wrote: supersoft I'm kinda leaning town on for reasons I can't properly explain. I'm not sure about it at all though. Super don't get fooled by this. | ||
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On March 12 2013 23:52 Acrofales wrote: Way to be useless. Are you calling Marv scum or town, based on meta? What a pointless post. Your post sure is "useful". You give no impression of marv yourself and you didn't read that I lean scum on him. | ||
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On March 12 2013 23:54 Acrofales wrote: For the record, I haven't gotten past where I was yesterday and think Marv looks more like town Marv D1 from duel, than scum Marv. Plus, Marv is the D3 policy lynch, so I am not too worried about him. If scum hasn't killed him off by D3, we lynch him. Well in Hero I said lynch him at lylo (actually asked for it before even) but no one did. It's cool that you think too he should be policy lynched but try to convince town first cause people on this forum listen more to the name than to the argument as shown by Sandro smurfing as JungleJorge in LX. | ||
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On March 13 2013 00:10 Mocsta wrote: I don't see marv as scum. If you want to policy lynch him in LYLO watever... we are in Night 1 - its not relevant Fact: marv filter has a good consistency in approach. I get an overall vibe that he is trying to really piece this game together & making an effort to communicate his point to get the other person to see his thought process. Thats pretty towny. His points also don't feel contrived. Scum happy to put a piece into the mix, and fuck off. I am not seeing that behaviour here. Marv is a *Very* valid medic save this night. + He claimed parity cop. And how does it affect your read on him if he doesn't get roleblocked? | ||
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No scum doesn't want investigative roles to work there is no WIFOM version of it where they let them work so people think they're scum. If they do, well whatever scum-positive checks marv claims will always have a red and a green so he will have to claim roleblocks at some point if he fakeclaimed. Agreed on letting marv slip for the moment yamato is a better lynch actually | ||
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On March 13 2013 00:27 Mocsta wrote: Now this I disagree with outright. Anonymous vig claim holds for this cycle. Your whole town read on yamato is based onto his vig-claim? As said by me and S & B him claiming the shot beforehand was probably a requisite for his shot to work but he doesn't mention it as part of his role so people go around and say he's town for claiming it. | ||
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On March 13 2013 00:31 yamato77 wrote: Just by talking about it you introduce WIFOM Don't be an idiot. Look, marv claimed cop and is the guy to be killed super early as town so it's not WIFOM if I say that he's likely scum if he gets neither RB'd nor killed. If you're scum you don't say "Let's keep this guy alive so we push for his lynch for staying alive", you say "let's kill this guy cause he's a fucking dangerous townie". Any strong player dying early as town is proof for this statement else they could keep them alive to push them later right? | ||
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On March 13 2013 00:33 yamato77 wrote: It wasn't. If you could fucking read, it is an automatic function of my alignment check that I shoot town-aligned players. I don't know beforehand, and mafia roles don't get revealed or shot, I just get a PM saying they're mafia or third party. Stop misrepresenting what I've said about my role. Well that's even worse you used your role on a guy in the crossfire without asking him to stop trolling like I did or waiting some more to find out if he's actually scum. You actually justified your shot by saying that he martyred and had to die afterwards and not by saying that you wanted to check him while risking his death, meaning you justified afterwards that he died for trolling, not that he died cause you thought he was mafia and wanted to check him at the risk of him dying. So your whole motivation behind that shot doesn't add up in light of your role. | ||
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On March 13 2013 00:39 austinmcc wrote: It's N1. D2 we get a lynch. Honest, answer, do you feel that "Strong player who has claimed parity cop is not dead by D2" should = lynch that player D2. If you don't, then it's not a matter than needs discussing right now. We can policy-lynch marv later. If so, you need to explain to me why Marv is the first strong-player policy lynch, and not Foolishness/Ver/someone else AND you need to explain why we should be policy lynching by D2. That basically starts a precedent of us ONLY policy lynching this game, which is ridiculous. Furthermore, we can assume marv is telling the truth, but we don't know that he's a cop, although it seems like he's also claiming to be VE, in which case compulsive, truthful claiming would make some sense as a role. Vivax wrote on this very same page: Agreed on letting marv slip for the moment yamato is a better lynch actually | ||
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On March 13 2013 00:45 yamato77 wrote: It was one of the factors that I considered when I thought of the possibility of him being town, yes. I didn't know his alignment, and thought that even if he was town for this, it was not a great loss because of how he was playing. You should stop posting because I've said all this before. Fucking read. Your role is more anti-town than anything. Already using it so early in the day on a player looking so bad at the time is scummy and only convenient for you. You were willing to bet a townie life against a check that no one would believe cause it would have been a D1 check. If you were town you'd be seriously stupid, but I know you aren't. Neither of both. | ||
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On March 11 2013 02:51 yamato77 wrote: Iamp let's lynch VE On March 11 2013 03:00 yamato77 wrote: VE not reading, just lurking. Speak and he shall appear. Proof that yamato is scum On March 11 2013 06:59 yamato77 wrote: i'm at work you asshat it's in my filter What I will do is solve this Kurumi problem right now. Yamato announces that the problem will be solved when he doesn't know if he gets a check back or Kurumi dies. Yamato knew Kurumi would die and says he doesn't have to announce the shot in the thread but claimed it on his own - despite not knowing if he'll get a check back he says that "The problem will be solved". The actual announcement comes later On March 11 2013 07:06 kitaman27 wrote: Announcement! ![[image loading]](http://www.heart-valve-surgery.com/Images/announcement.jpg) Kurumi is town-aligned. His reaction after knowing Kurumi would die as town: On March 11 2013 08:14 yamato77 wrote: Watch this. Pro GF snipe right here. | ||
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What if he had the chance to get a check back from Kurumi (like he should believe), why announce something beforehand when you don't know the outcome? Let's assume he expected to get a red check back on Kurumi, would he announce it in the thread or wait for the outcome and only claim the shot if he hit green? In case he hit red he could simply push Kurumi or claim the check afterwards. In case of green he could have stayed silent or claimed it or whatever he wanted to, but he chose the stupid way, why? Explanation: For his role to work he had to play the shot like MZ played it. He had to announce that he would shoot someone in the thread for his role to work, but refuses to admit it. Every other explanation doesn't make sense unless he's a massive derp. | ||
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On March 13 2013 01:02 austinmcc wrote: Didn't we establish that the pro GF snipe line was roleplaying? If he's town, he did a horrible job of communicating what was actually happening. But the text of that line is not part of his scummy play or poor communication, it was a throwback to a Bang Bang post, right? The "pro GF snipe" isn't what's so incriminating, it's him saying that he will "solve the Kurumi problem right now" before getting something back from the host which shows that he knew he would get shot, and thus knew he was town. He wouldn't say that if he would expect a red check like he would from a scumread. | ||
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On March 13 2013 01:17 marvellosity wrote: The Kurumi problem wouldn't be there, which is the problem yamato said he would solve. yamato would still be there, yes, but that's a different kettle of fish. The problem he said he would "solve" before knowing from the host if Kurumi was scum or town? | ||
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On March 13 2013 01:19 marvellosity wrote: if he's scum we lynch him, if he's a martyring town, he gets shot. Problem solved in both scenarios? ______________________________________________________________________________________________________ On March 11 2013 06:46 Kurumi wrote: okay so it seems I got a scum role and I am town burn me because if I ever fucking turn mole I will throw something heavy out of my room ##vote Kurumi On March 11 2013 06:59 yamato77 wrote: i'm at work you asshat it's in my filter What I will do is solve this Kurumi problem right now. He chose to shoot Kurumi for martyring over his "scumread" VE in the arc of 13 minutes. On March 12 2013 11:31 yamato77 wrote: I consent to any of Vivax, Super, Bugs, Foolish or Ver hanging My vote will stay where it is because I only have time to type this post at work. If I die, so be it, but I highly doubt you guys will be happy when you find out I lied about nothing Bugs was martyring, too but he pumps out a 5 guy list instead of going for Bugs who does the same as Kurumi. Kurumi martyring is a good enough reason to shoot him but Bugs doing that isn't a good enough reason to lynch him over 4 others? Inconsistent reasons, terrible role usage, indications of him knowing Kurumi's flip beforehand ( + general subjective scumminess). | ||
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On March 13 2013 01:48 Acrofales wrote: I just got done reading most of the fall-out from Yamato's shot and I think everybody who calls Yamato scum for it is either terrible or scum. Why the fuck would a scum Yamato use an anonymous vig-shot to shoot a confirmed townie and then own up to it. They could have used that power to take out some superpowered veteran with no fear of a medic, but instead use it to kill someone who was shitting up the thread. Yes, it was a fucking stupid move to shoot a modconfirmed townie. However, that doesn't make it scummy. SnB said this completely correctly. Vivax, Cora, Sloosh, VE all fail to see this, or are scum using it to try to wagon what looks at the time to be an easy mislynch. Out of these, I like Cora the least, but I'll keep reading. + Show Spoiler [brief thoughts on cora] + Cora's early game was to attack Yamato based on meta. This from a player who I distinctly recall saying all meta cases are terrible in Duel mafia. He then gets extremely paranoid about dying when Kurumi posts fake shots in the vote thread, and is extremely defensive about his contributions this game, which, at the time were minimal. Finally, when mocsta points out some stuff he thought was scummy, Cora uses some terrible misdirection to deflect the case, by saying Mocsta was just piggybacking on other people's thoughts. Not everything has to be an original thought, and if other people had good ideas, a townie SHOULD use them. Regardless of whether it was original or not, the deflection seems like a guilty conscience trying to wiggle out from explaining something he had no town explanation for. Every bolded part is proof you didn't read this game. I didn't read the stuff after the lynch before posting today but you didn't even read early game holy shit. What's worse about this is that you forgive yamato for shooting a modconfirmed townie in your point of view and that makes even less sense than other derps/mafias saying he should stay alive. | ||
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On March 13 2013 02:03 Oatsmaster wrote: 1 question. Where the fuck is Iamp. Vivax stop your fucking personal issues with marv and play the damn game. Show us why he is scum without resorting to personal attacks or find another player to harrass. You never answered 5 scumspects over Foolishness. Ok Who are the 5 people that are scummier than Foolishness, since you said your town read on him was based on elimination. There are no personal issues just legitimate concerns about him being town and the arguments he's using. My scumreads are yamato, yamato, yamato ,yamato and yamato. | ||
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On March 12 2013 22:59 Oatsmaster wrote: Cause foolishness has done ABSOLUTELY NOTHING. other than defend you. and vote for crossfire. But he didnt actually push anything, do anything remotely townie. Nope. Just derped around like a newbie. Is Foolishness a newbie? No. 1. Foolishness is not the best potential town player. 2. Foolishness doesnt look like town. How do you get to the point where he should be protected? Oats do you agree with me in the fact that Foolishness pushed for a yamato lynch while someone not-scum was the main lynch candidate? | ||
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On March 13 2013 02:23 Acrofales wrote: You are really calling me out for not having read parts of the thread when I have made it abundantly clear that I have not yet caught up on the thread?! Get your head out of your ass. Anyway, this was about the people calling Yamato scum BEFORE Yamato explained his role. What happened after his explanation I will figure out now. However, it still makes no sense from a "balance" PoV to give that role to scum. It does make sense if he has to announce the shot like MZ did. But yamato said he doesn't have to. I already argued from that point of view on why the argument "yamato could have stayed invisible" doesn't hold. Part of it is that he should have shut up as either alignment if he had been able to shoot Kurumi silently. | ||
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On March 13 2013 02:25 Oatsmaster wrote: These are the only 3 posts by Foolishness about yamato. I dont really call this pushing. Also the switch to yamato comes at a time where the momentum was shifting to lynch yamato cause of his stupid play. However I would think that Foolishness knows to lynch scum and not stupid, and what yamato did was the epitome of a stupid play, not a scummy play. So I dont agree that Foolishness did ANYTHING. There was no momentum to shift the lynch to yamato there were two people coming in wanting to lynch him : BC and Foolishness and I wanted to join them afterwards. Also, the stuff you quote up there IS a push. Stop telling bullshitz | ||
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On March 13 2013 02:31 Oatsmaster wrote: Vivax. Do you note the difference in time? So he votes for yamato at 9.40. Then SnB asks him why, he explains. at 9.44 Then his next post on the subject is 18.20. Also inbetween, he is doing his nonsensical defense of you. I do not call that pushing. Tell me the time intervals he should have between his posts for you to be considered pushing. Oats please don't be town, please. | ||
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On March 13 2013 02:35 Oatsmaster wrote: The point is there is no continuation with his vote. He votes yamato and forgets about it. Also you only gave 1 scum read. Stop fucking ignoring it or give reasons why Foolishness is town other than he buddied you. There is a continuation with his vote you quoted it yourself he comes in several hours later still backing a yamato lynch. Foolishness IS pushing yamato, he's pushing scumreads and townreads your whole argument is paper. | ||
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On March 13 2013 02:42 Oatsmaster wrote: He pushed 1 town read. Apathetically watched WBG get lynched with his vote on yamato. Is this inaccurate? He didn't spam up the thread asking for a yamato lynch, that would be accurate. But you initially said he didn't push anything, now you admit he did, so you should know that part of your argument for him being scum doesn't hold, don't you? | ||
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On March 13 2013 00:45 yamato77 wrote: It was one of the factors that I considered when I thought of the possibility of him being town, yes. I didn't know his alignment, and thought that even if he was town for this, it was not a great loss because of how he was playing. You should stop posting because I've said all this before. Fucking read. Your role is more anti-town than anything. Already using it so early in the day on a player looking so bad at the time is scummy and only convenient for you. You were willing to bet a townie life against a check that no one would believe cause it would have been a D1 check. If you were town you'd be seriously stupid, but I know you aren't. Neither of both.[/QUOTE] On March 13 2013 00:59 Vivax wrote: Had VE as scumread before the shot, but didn't shoot him. Proof that yamato is scum Yamato announces that the problem will be solved when he doesn't know if he gets a check back or Kurumi dies. Yamato knew Kurumi would die and says he doesn't have to announce the shot in the thread but claimed it on his own - despite not knowing if he'll get a check back he says that "The problem will be solved". The actual announcement comes later His reaction after knowing Kurumi would die as town: On March 13 2013 01:08 Vivax wrote: Now, aside from the fact that yamato didn't shoot his "scumread", he didn't play as if he expected to get a check back on Kurumi no, he posted as if he knew he would get shot. What if he had the chance to get a check back from Kurumi (like he should believe), why announce something beforehand when you don't know the outcome? Let's assume he expected to get a red check back on Kurumi, would he announce it in the thread or wait for the outcome and only claim the shot if he hit green? In case he hit red he could simply push Kurumi or claim the check afterwards. In case of green he could have stayed silent or claimed it or whatever he wanted to, but he chose the stupid way, why? Explanation: For his role to work he had to play the shot like MZ played it. He had to announce that he would shoot someone in the thread for his role to work, but refuses to admit it. Every other explanation doesn't make sense unless he's a massive derp. On March 13 2013 01:29 Vivax wrote: ______________________________________________________________________________________________________ He chose to shoot Kurumi for martyring over his "scumread" VE in the arc of 13 minutes. Bugs was martyring, too but he pumps out a 5 guy list instead of going for Bugs who does the same as Kurumi. Kurumi martyring is a good enough reason to shoot him but Bugs doing that isn't a good enough reason to lynch him over 4 others? Inconsistent reasons, terrible role usage, indications of him knowing Kurumi's flip beforehand ( + general subjective scumminess). | ||
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On March 13 2013 02:58 marvellosity wrote: Why do you keep saying this? I don't understand it at all. You mention a good point actually people might have believed the check despite being so early to incredible. That's not the point however and you keep avoiding it. | ||
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Btw posting these posts will be the entirety of my D2 contributions so if you want to lynch me you can start by pushing for it now. I'm not loosening the bite until yamato bites the dust. | ||
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Now that's not how we know him to handle his scumreads. | ||
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On March 12 2013 11:26 marvellosity wrote: Anyway, I am compelled to do this during the day. I was gonna make it super-awesome but I cba. I'm blates a cop and I want to investigate Foolish and Ver n stuff. There we go. Move along, nothing to see here. On March 12 2013 11:44 marvellosity wrote: Apparently I have to say that I'm a parity cop with the aforementioned targets. Sadly this leaves me no wiggle room and is REALLY FUCKING DULL. YES I AM TALKING TO YOU. Marv can you expand on this stuff to cast away some doubts I have before fucking off. Are you a parity cop that has to announce itself and you checked Ver and Foolish or what? I don't understand what's going on here. | ||
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On March 13 2013 04:13 yamato77 wrote: No one who is thinking thinks I'm mafia any more. I'm done doing things for the sake if defending myself. From here on out my focus is getting the scum lynched. Meanwhile not mentioning a single scum he wants lynched. | ||
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On March 13 2013 04:25 marvellosity wrote: I have to announce my role and my targets. I was hoping to be fancy with it and be vague enough that mafia don't know exactly what I'm doing. Hence why I claimed cop, then claimed two targets, and said "and stuff" in a vague manner. Apparently my 2nd post might not even be acceptable either because I didn't put my targets with the exact reference parity cop, but I'm hoping I'll be allowed to get away with that one. And why did you think it would be better for you to claim cop over parity cop? How did you think would it be better if scum though this? | ||
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On March 13 2013 04:33 marvellosity wrote: why don't you stop asking really stupid questions? It's in your interest to answer me before I leave. You are confirmed liar (: . Nice that you call Foolishness scum over a lie that is arguably not as bad as yours. For some reason you wanted to appear as cop over parity cop which would appear more dangerous for scum, so it doesn't make sense for you to lie about it this way if you're town. Scummarv claims cop → I can claim to have gotten any check back I wanted. Scummarv claims parity cop → My checks are limited and if one guy is of one alignment the other must be of the opposite[/spoiler] Townmarv claims cop → I look more dangerous for scum and am at risk of getting RBd/killed. Also I won't actually know if someone is really scum after N1 even though I claimed I would. Townmarv claims parity cop → Honest answer, town will know what it has to expect. Summary: Townmarv wouldn't lie about being a cop over a parity cop. | ||
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On March 13 2013 04:42 marvellosity wrote: [/spoiler]If you are somehow town, you are by far the worst player I have ever played with in all my games of mafia. By far. You are so atrocious it's unbelievable. How is saying parity cop over cop (hello, both cops) worse than using a lie to call someone mafia? what drugs are you smoking? what was my motivation for doing that as mafia? why am i doing it as town? maybe to try to be vague so mafia don't know EXACTLY what I'm doing? what the fuck is wrong with you? why are you questioning me on the specifics of my blue role at night? WHY THE FUCK WOULD YOU DO THAT? If you're town, you actually need psychiatric help because you're fucking insane. Oh we're back to this Foolish didn't lie to call you mafia he allegedly lied to say he's not sure about you. Marvybaby so mad , ragequit like in LVIII please instead of spamming your one-liners | ||
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On March 13 2013 04:41 Acrofales wrote: If the shot was not anonymous and Yamato is scum, then scum has a mod-confirmed DT check. WHY WOULD SCUM EVER USE THIS? Acro: 1. Yamato is likely not saying that he had to announce the shot for his role to work so certain jubjubs say that he's not scum for announcing his shot. 2. Me and some other dude immediately suspected yamato for being the killer after Kurumi's death precisely cause he announced he would solve the Kurumi problem even before he could know he was town.So he wouldn't have stayed fully anonymous, people suspected it was him. 3. Even for the case he was town and didn't have to announce anything for the role to work, he should have kept everything to himself, waiting to see if he got a check on Kurumi back and then pushed him if it was red, in case of a wrong target he should have kept his mouth shut, would have been better for town. 4. Oh did I mention his scumread at the time was VE and it changed within 13 minutes after he saw Kurumi voting for himself? | ||
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When confronted with it he tries to draw a comparison with Foolish's lie instead of trying to explain how it would be more beneficial for him to lie about it as town with the excuse of it being night. Bad excuse, scum knows his role his targets and the role is modconfirmed so marv is being scummarv and also very provocative. Kill it with fire. | ||
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Stop nitpicking. It's stupid. On March 13 2013 05:00 VisceraEyes wrote: Lying alone isn't alignment indicative - it's the manner of the lie. He used the lie to push his agenda (herp I'm always wrong about marv) and that makes him scummy. Not the lie itself. His agenda of being unsure about marv being scum? Oh shit never thought about that. | ||
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On March 13 2013 05:18 VisceraEyes wrote: He's not a confirmed anything we don't even know if he's telling the truth about his role. I'm not interested in anyone I think is town claiming anything for scum to use. If you want to reveal your role go ahead - we're lynching you if you don't die to town holy righteous fury tonight. Well a good start to know if he's telling the truth is to find out why he lied but apparently you aren't interested for reasons I can only imagine | ||
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Supersoft can I add that you remind me of your LVIII self? You are preparing your famous lists yes? | ||
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On March 13 2013 05:26 Acrofales wrote: This thread grows 2 pages for every 1 I read. Can we please kill Vivax just to stop the rampant growth of bile in this game? There is no bile from my side just lots of questions and persuasion attempts, also my post/content ratio is bigger than other's. I know however who you're on good terms with so I understand you're used to talking smack about others behind people's backs. | ||
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On March 13 2013 05:52 Acrofales wrote: Also lol @ Vivax. I suggest you take a look at MTG mini mafia 2 if you think I'm afraid of calling Marv scum. No but saying I'm playing anti-town is wrong. There's something marv is withholding from us and needs to explain himself, I believe yamato is scum and I push for these two targets. If people at least helped to find out why marv lied about something that doesn't make sense to lie about if he's town then I wouldn't have to spam up things cause people refuse to answer, all it needs is some pressure from others, not comments about me being shot cause of something that applies more to others than to me. | ||
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How is saying parity cop over cop (hello, both cops) worse than using a lie to call someone mafia? what drugs are you smoking? what was my motivation for doing that as mafia? why am i doing it as town? maybe to try to be vague so mafia don't know EXACTLY what I'm doing? what the fuck is wrong with you? No, if both were simply cops then hosts wouldn't force you to claim parity cop. You claimed something that makes you look more threatening for mafia (and thus more likely to get shot/roleblocked), and they know who you want to check anyway so for them it wouldn't make any difference whatsoever except that it would be more attractive for them to attack you in some way. So saying that they mustn't know exactly what you're doing doesn't hold. On the other hand the benefits you'd have from claiming DT over parity cop as scum are evident, as summarized here: On March 13 2013 04:38 Vivax wrote: [/spoiler]For some reason you wanted to appear as cop over parity cop which would appear more dangerous for scum, so it doesn't make sense for you to lie about it this way if you're town. Scummarv claims cop → I can claim to have gotten any check back I wanted. Scummarv claims parity cop → My checks are limited and if one guy is of one alignment the other must be of the opposite Townmarv claims cop → I look more dangerous for scum and am at risk of getting RBd/killed. Also I won't actually know if someone is really scum after N1 even though I claimed I would. Townmarv claims parity cop → Honest answer, town will know what it has to expect. Summary: Townmarv wouldn't lie about being a cop over a parity cop. If your whole reason for lying about your role is that you don't want scum to know what you're doing then it doesn't make a difference cause if anything it makes you a more likely target for their actions. So explain to me where this argument is wrong please. | ||
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If you say "These two have different alignment" and people lynch them and see they both were town then you're in trouble. ___ You asked for two check targets while claiming standard cop whether standard cop or parity cop it doesn't seem to matter so I don't see why parity cop should be better. You get both alignments in either case but parity cop can't actually be sure while standard cop can be (both can be affected by framers afaik) so how does this apply? Parity cop > standard cop wat? On March 12 2013 11:26 marvellosity wrote: Anyway, I am compelled to do this during the day. I was gonna make it super-awesome but I cba. I'm blates a cop and I want to investigate Foolish and Ver n stuff. There we go. Move along, nothing to see here. | ||
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On March 13 2013 06:51 Acrofales wrote: Kurumi's role is more powerful for scum than for town, but it is not USELESS for scum. Modconfirming a DT check is not just useless for scum, it is worse than useless. There is literally NO reason to use a modconfirming DT check barring extremely weird situations like Drazerk in HRM (where townies knew Drazerk had the role, because we gave it to him, and were masoned with him. He HAD to use it... and additionally there were 2 scum teams). If you think the role works the way Yamato described, as I do, then it is basically an anonymous dayvig. In that case, Yamato's use of it makes no sense as town. So either scum got, and used a DT check. Or scum announced the anonymous dayvig and used it on a target that was shitting up the thread instead of some powerful town leader. OR, you go with Ockham's Razor and realize that Yamato is town. Acro read this post for god's sake. On March 11 2013 16:49 yamato77 wrote: First of all, my role is all inclusive. I didn't choose to reveal his alignment and then shoot him, it happens as a consequence of the person being town. So as soon as I PM'd his name as the alignment check, his fate was sealed and there was nothing I could do about it. Why did I do it, knowing this risk? Firstly, I feel like the people roleplaying heavily, aside from perhaps Prom, deserve a good hard look. None of them had been saying much up to that point and I felt like it was a huge distraction. Kurumi was the worst in this group by a long shot, so losing him even if he was town was not a huge loss. More importantly, it kept town from focusing on him the entire rest of the day with his attention whore mentality and martyring. Basically, I used my alignment check much like a vigi shot. Shoot into the worst of the unreadables and hope you hit red. Unfortunately, I didn't, but it was still objectively a decent move because what it did was get attention away from Kurumi and mainly on to me, where scum have a more difficult time taking a stance due to the more unsure thread sentiment regarding myself at the moment. I can now proceed to completely remove all doubt from the situation and look at who attacked me and why to make inferences about their alignment. The "Pro gf snipe" comment was a joke on my role. Super soft should remember being the target of MZ as a dayvig after Super had just shot a mafia player. MZ made a comment just like that one as he decided to shoot super, who was town. My role, thus, only shoots people that are town. If they were mafia, it works like a detective chevk., where I receive a PM detailing their alignment. I will make it clear, after the alignment check popped up into the thread, I had zero control over the death of Kurumi. The comment was a joke. The shot was predetermined. I sure hope kita and Grey got a good laugh out of it. | ||
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On March 13 2013 07:06 Acrofales wrote: Vivax: I have argued the role all which ways. The second part which you bolded is pretty much EXACTLY what Yamato claimed. He picks a target and vig-shoots them if town, or DT checks them if scum. IF he is scum, that means he is a dayvig, because why on earth bother DT checking your scumbuddies? Now how about you start READING and THINKING instead of spewing drivel all the time. C: there might be some merit to that. I once mentioned offhandedly to Greymist that I found it funny that his Ace Attorney role is always considered confirmed town, and he said he had wanted to make it scum (in PU I think), but there were balance reasons not to, or the roles didn't work out properly, or something. Anyway, you bring up something worth considering. The shot comes after the announcement that the target is town that's the point, you're arguing yamato is town cause he could have anonymously dayvigged as the unknown MZ while I keep arguing that he had TO ANNOUNCE HIS SHOT IN SOME WAY FOR HIS ROLE TO WORK. And since that is likely the case then YES, HE DIDN'T TELL US EVERYTHING ABOUT HIS ROLE and that's what I suspect him of, cause I don't believe he's an anonymous dayvig and could have shot without saying anything. Just like marv had to announce that he's DT for his one to work (I wouldn't take for granted that it means he's town though). | ||
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Marv/yamato/Hiro/S&B/VE/Dandel/prplhz/Oats/supersoft/Ver These are the people the scum is hiding in imo. Am currently not really sure except for that I want to lynch yamato. Prom I'm kinda null on but I'll go with town for the moment. Now Town Town Scum I notice differences which are hard to verbalize and I would probably say more stupid things than reasonable things while trying to so I prefer if you took a look at this by yourself and looked for them. | ||
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On March 13 2013 07:47 Acrofales wrote: Someone with some experience playing with SS as scum: does he throw curveballs like that townie post? Low thread presence as opposed to town. Posts a lot of stuff on the go without making clear what he wants, talks about irrelevant stuff. Kinda classic scumplay go read LVIII where he could play as scummy as he pleased and people didn't want to lynch him. He even scumslipped towards the end without people noticing lol. | ||
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On March 13 2013 07:47 marvellosity wrote: most of my townreads are in that list. oh vivax. Interesting, which are your not-townreads? | ||
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On March 13 2013 01:48 Acrofales wrote: I just got done reading most of the fall-out from Yamato's shot and I think everybody who calls Yamato scum for it is either terrible or scum. Why the fuck would a scum Yamato use an anonymous vig-shot to shoot a confirmed townie and then own up to it. They could have used that power to take out some superpowered veteran with no fear of a medic, but instead use it to kill someone who was shitting up the thread. Yes, it was a fucking stupid move to shoot a modconfirmed townie. However, that doesn't make it scummy. SnB said this completely correctly. Vivax, Cora, Sloosh, VE all fail to see this, or are scum using it to try to wagon what looks at the time to be an easy mislynch. Out of these, I like Cora the least, but I'll keep reading. + Show Spoiler [brief thoughts on cora] + Cora's early game was to attack Yamato based on meta. This from a player who I distinctly recall saying all meta cases are terrible in Duel mafia. He then gets extremely paranoid about dying when Kurumi posts fake shots in the vote thread, and is extremely defensive about his contributions this game, which, at the time were minimal. Finally, when mocsta points out some stuff he thought was scummy, Cora uses some terrible misdirection to deflect the case, by saying Mocsta was just piggybacking on other people's thoughts. Not everything has to be an original thought, and if other people had good ideas, a townie SHOULD use them. Regardless of whether it was original or not, the deflection seems like a guilty conscience trying to wiggle out from explaining something he had no town explanation for. I bolded the part he mentions as something that people used to argue to say Chez was town in my last game where he was a scum dayvig and shot a rather low-profile townie. Anyway I'll probably include Acro in my list since he's playing anti-town. | ||
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On March 13 2013 08:11 iamperfection wrote: see now you make be break the 4th role the guy im impersonating (somewhat badly) says theres nothing wrong with speculating and directing night actions you jib-jubs Don't tell me you got me as personality that would be a big honour. Carry that name with pride though. It has lots. | ||
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On March 13 2013 08:53 Foolishness wrote: If only marvellosity could play every game like Fivetouch. I'm even doubting myself that they are the same | ||
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On March 13 2013 09:17 Acrofales wrote: I just got back home. The deadline is in 2 3/4 hours. What's your rush? You're under scrutiny and I'd like updated reads before the night ends that's my rush. | ||
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This is one of the lurky towns :| Anyway I'm off to bed. Marv might or might not be scum remember my words. | ||
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I just noticed he told Hiro to not be aggressive on Kurumi for roleplaying but then defended yamato for the vig shot on him so yeah, that looks strange and not consistent. What I found scummy afterwards was the fact he wanted to get me lynched for me for having a slight townread on him. Doesn't make much sense. When I'm town and someone reads me correctly I don't think that dude is scum as a reflex. Also, yamato might or might not be scum, changed my mind :> | ||
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@ Marv You only have one check so far, right? @ Dandel Can you explain better how the role works? ______________________________________________________________________________________________________ I'm in for killing Cora/Crossfire (Cora mainly for his initial posts and staying purposely lurky since he always pops up when mentioned for lynch). Crossfire for aforementioned reasons and mentioning only targets for lynch that seem to be the most popular lynch targets. Foolish is still a strong player so I'll only lynch him if there's good evidence and he doesn't prove to have some proper reads by deadline. I have to admit it's suspicious that he hasn't been a target for the night but he's also at danger of mislynch so that might be an explanation. However...Marv hasn't been target for NK As for me, I have received a mysterious power during the night. One that I used to love in one of my earlier lives as a bad guy. But I don't know if the power I got is real, or just a way to fool me. | ||
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On March 13 2013 15:17 slOosh wrote: From what I understand, LX was like that because town was stomping mafia hard and mafia had no thread control, but that is neither here nor there. I agree with you on crossfire, I found it interesting that it was the exact same reads that marv posted in his will. This next point is open to anyone: BC flipped town, and is one of the best players in TL Mafia. What do you glean from his filter? I get that people like marv were suspecting him and bad marv = scummarv | ||
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On March 13 2013 07:25 BloodyC0bbler wrote: supersoft is being a tard as per normal. People who should be looked at currently not counting myself are marv and VE. Basically anyone in the thread right now should be getting reads primarily on vivax yamato foolishness marv Other cases have been mentioned but we are the ones everyone should be analyzing in detail right now. All of us are guilty of both good and bad play this game that could mean we are scum or not. VE is based on performance looks the most town of this group however. | ||
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On March 13 2013 18:26 Mocsta wrote: earlier <insert missing word> ?? Are you the invention spoken of in the End of cycle post? Looks like some druggie created it, he empowered me with Magic Mushrooms. As for the effect, well, I'm not sure about it either that's why I don't know if it's a real power. Mocsta can you explain why you prefer Foolish over other targets? You also seem to have me as scumread or did I misread one of your recent posts? | ||
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Mocsta it's a complete riddle for me how you can rate yamato as townier than me, I thought you know the guy better. Well hint: His play as town usually doesn't look like this. Preedit: Foolish seems to be up to something with him so he doesn't get lynched until there's an outcome. Then there's prplhz that guy looks scummy too and he made a case on BC and not anything else I can remember basically. | ||
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On March 13 2013 18:45 supersoft wrote: nice, I just wanted to ask for a davigshot on someone. I need more action and Information. I need red-blood to reinforce my reads! Hmm. It's strange to ask for dayvigshots who was your target? | ||
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On March 13 2013 19:08 supersoft wrote: wait a second. Marv claims to have a check that you and Ver are opposite aligned... Why didn't you shoot Ver? Seriously that doesn't make much sense... Do you know if marv returns two checks in the same night or in following? Cause I don't and he wouldn't have answered if I asked him at night. Anyway it's more likely Ver is mafia than Foolishness. Actually Ver is a neat vig shot, I'm just waiting for... + Show Spoiler + On March 13 2013 10:56 slOosh wrote: Wat deadline is in 1hr? psh don't want to wait that long, and scum can't stop me if I post early anyhow Rereading for the past 3 or 4 hours ... and yea maybe I got my tunnel on too hard ... probably because I researched too much into personality mafia 1 and subscribe under the Ace / L school of thought. Still don't like yamato but it's probably destructive for me to continue play like this. ![[image loading]](http://media.playdota.com/hero/58/skill-0.jpg) + ![[image loading]](http://www.dotastrategy.com/images/skill/suicidesquad.gif) Anyhoo, I'm gonna remedy this as best I can tonight cuz I'm the Warlock Techies, and I'ma blowing up (lolol) all the baddies with me. Of course the hosts don't know anything about balance (lolol) so it's not so simple as ##suicide: baddies, but I hope to take a couple down with me. Hopefully they turn out scummers, but in worst case I take out mislynches and lurkers. I need to regen some mana but everything should pan out by midcycle (24 hours) into day 2 - if not you can feel free to try to lynch my charred remains :D And of course+ Show Spoiler + ![[image loading]](http://i.qkme.me/3otxuf.jpg) SlOosh seems to be up to something that will kill him, we will know during first half. I wonder if he targeted yamato together with Foolish :| Anyway he seems to have targeted lurkers and controversial people. So I suppose people like Ver, Corazon, Crossfire, prplhz. Maybe Dandel yamato but they aren't as lurky or mislynchable. Marv when you get in here tell us about your checks. | ||
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I've lately become tired of chicken nuggets so I'm actually eating a McCurrywurst for breakfast. Man it's awesome, there's a reason Mario Barth comments on it with : "Horny" . Did you try it out already or are you the BurgerKing type ? | ||
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On March 13 2013 19:46 supersoft wrote: and I am definetely the burgerking-type However the McDonalds french fries are much better that the BurgerKings Actually I find the McDonalds fries to be kinda salty and dry. BurgerKing fries are fatty and big, probably I would like to swap the Burgerking fries with the McDonald's ones ^^ we seem to have different tastes Same actually goes for Burgerking burgers they are bigger but less compact but I actually prefer if they are compact so yeah, McDonalds ftw but well I'm not sure what the difference is between their chicken nuggets.Sorry I gotta run now have to play Dota. | ||
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On March 13 2013 20:52 marvellosity wrote: My vote isn't moving. You're absolutely terrible if you think I'm mafia. For activity alone, no mafia in TL history comes CLOSE to matching my activity, because it's impossible to do. Foolish needs to die Marv where did you announce your claim I only see you saying that Foolish needs to die tell us what you got, how many checks who it was etc. everything. Also I quoted the post above cause you usually don't tell your main scumread "You're absolutely terrible if you think I'm scum" Foolish how sure are you marv is scum? | ||
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My bad didn't read properly sorry. Anyway. I want to lynch Ver in that case. I have no clue about Foolish currently but it's insane to favour him for lynch over a guy who doesn't move a finger after announcing he would. Also we can't be sure about Foolish until we see yamato flip. Additionally, we need to wait for SlOosh's actions. SlOosh should tell us who he targeted though. | ||
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Didn't see marv got opposite checks back when I said I would want to lynch them. We should probably follow supersoft's advice though and wait how Foolish's action resolves while deciding over other candidates. Prplhz is also an awesome candidate for lynch. | ||
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I want you to look at the D1 bandwagons before the final votes. Marv and some other people like Dandel tried to form a last minute bandwagon on me when it looked like crossfire was at risk to get lynched. Crossfire, prplhz, risk.nuke, Dandel these people have a shot at being scum. Also fyi two of the townies shot last night were on the yamato wagon. Supersoft on the crossfire wagon. | ||
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On March 13 2013 23:35 cDgCorazon wrote: Ok first of all, Vivax is full of shit for saying that I run away everytime I am a lynch target. Unfortunately for him I cannot be up 24/7, and everytime he decides that I am being targeted it's about 3 AM my time. Sorry, I'm not waking up at 3 AM to defend myself Vivax. Now that someone is finally sensical enough to kill Yamato, I guess I should unvote him: ##unvote I'll get back to you guys after school on who I think we should lynch next. I said you show up mostly when you're called out for something instead of posting out of own motivation, much like prplhz. But this post actually shows otherwise. | ||
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On March 13 2013 23:52 Crossfire99 wrote: I believe marv has said enough about foolish already. Foolish is also playing like he did in Parallel Mafia and not like some town hero which he apparently is known for (but I've never seen). But I really don't care what you say cause you're scum and it's why I'm voting for you. You see those town filters of yours? They contain long posts with lots of reasoning. Not you saying people are scum for reading you in some way and constant apologies and bad reasoning to do things. | ||
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On March 13 2013 23:56 Crossfire99 wrote: Sorry about that, but I don't normally read signatures lol. Also, how isn't he scum in your eyes? Wow he launched a nuke without even reading. | ||
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On March 14 2013 00:04 marvellosity wrote: this is probably fake. if i somehow end up dead in a minute, make sure Vivax's lynch goes through. Not the answer I'd have expected . Good. | ||
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Also yeah the shot on marv was fake. I announced I got a power today, just like Foolish and Crossfire did and marv knows it. | ||
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There's an inventor out there who can pick something to distribute. Either the nukes get distributed randomly or following a pattern. Maybe some of them are fake and some aren't. | ||
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this sounds very much like your ability will make you die if you target a mafia with it. If you think I'm mafia why would you assume I have an ability that targets mafia? | ||
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Btw you've thought a lot about my role why so interested in the possible effects it could have for scum? We should talk prplhz and risk not this stuff. How in the hell can you say such non-saying things: I like risk when he's around, it feels like town risk. But he's not around enough, and that's more mafia risk. prplhz. super lurky, although a decent case on BC. Some posts feel like town prplhz, but the lurkiness, oh the lurkiness. I'm banking on his weird anger towards me being genuine, but i'm not sure. You basically said risk isn't around when he's mafia, and he clearly isn't around this game, and you would prefer lynching me who should be obvitown to you, and Foolishness who is someone you never want to mislynch? Tell me what's stopping you from lynching these two please. | ||
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That said, Dandel risk and prplhz play like scum and should be treated like scum. Marv didn't pay attention to them and preferred talking about a lot of irrelevant bullshit, so even in the case he's town you should only notice that the main spammer has gone. | ||
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On March 14 2013 01:36 marvellosity wrote: Vivax is a fucking idiot but it doesn't NECESSARILY make him scum. I think Corazon has a higher chance to flip mafia. I'll check into this later but it's how i feel right now. You feel like mafia? | ||
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The whole reason supersoft is enraged is cause people like crossfire didn't follow that advice. At least I read the thread and test reactions before shooting. | ||
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On March 14 2013 02:02 marvellosity wrote: yes, you're the only person in the thread who thinks i'm mafia. idiot. Same in Hero when you were. Hapa didn't notice either. | ||
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On March 13 2013 08:02 VisceraEyes wrote: Me too. Watch I'll make a meaningless list too. It should have a decent mix too. Ver/Foolishness/BC/Supersoft/prplhz/Acrofales/Prom/marv/Vivax/Yamato Scum are hiding in that list somewhere. SOMEWHERE among half the players, the scum are hiding. Somewhere. Famous pre-death list. Worth a look. Contains interesting options. Supersoft still think Oats would be a valid lynch? On March 13 2013 07:29 BloodyC0bbler wrote: Ver is scum in my opinion but given no one is talking about him, nor is he talking its pretty hard for anyone to focus on him. On March 13 2013 07:25 BloodyC0bbler wrote: supersoft is being a tard as per normal. People who should be looked at currently not counting myself are marv and VE. Basically anyone in the thread right now should be getting reads primarily on Me vivax yamato foolishness marv Ve Other cases have been mentioned but we are the ones everyone should be analyzing in detail right now. All of us are guilty of both good and bad play this game that could mean we are scum or not. VE is based on performance looks the most town of this group however. Marv not hit after claiming DT, but these guys yes. However they might have guessed other scum. | ||
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Why am I not your scumread then but the guy about to get nuked is? There's many looking scummy currently but if I look at S & B I notice the huge cases he wrote at the start and how he lost steam quickly to become only less more than a commentator feeling rather apathetic about who gets lynched. | ||
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There is lots of spam people don't pick up on the last posts of the dead guys, no they prefer to pick up on saying "Oh well it was just VE's fake list fuck the rest". Meanwhile scum doesn't give a fuck cause they know who you want to lynch and the only thing you're discussing is the if in who you want to lynch if, not the who. Dig up a few suspicious quotes instead, look at some voting patterns, guess on which wagon scum was on D1 no? More importantly answer this question honestly: Which alignment does yamato have when he posts as much as in this game, basically close to nothing? He additionally shot a townie for weak reasons. Who was on the yamato wagon? 2 flipped townies + me as another townie. Who was on the crossfire and Bugs wagons? Likely scum cause they could have gotten yamato lynched if they wanted to but instead they obviously decided it was better to defend him. Why? Cause yamato is scum simple. | ||
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2. I think that SlOosh's role works this way: He has to give three nukes to townies, but can only pick one shot to go through, this involves him being scum. If he lets the shot against yamato go through in consistency with his earlier case, this possibility is dismissed and we can finally go on without that WIFOMY dude around who has been obviously defended by mafia. 3. I laughed frantically at this. Again, this is really important. Someone stole his vote. HIS VOTE. There's that stupid line in some of the OPs or the PMs when you'e a VT about how all you have is your voice and your vote. His vote is gone. | ||
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We're back to scratch thanks to SlOosh's stuff. Ver hasn't shown himself. Super good Ver hasn't show himself. Marv didn't post his statistics about "lynched as town=0%" for Ver but wants to lynch Foolish who is writing about 3000 % more than super good townie Ver. on weak reasons arguing that Foolish would post more and would not be under suspicion if he was town. Marv defends yamato who doesn't play like town yamato, shot a townie roleplaying a fake Chezinu and has to have been defended by scum by virtue of numbers when he could have been an awesome target for scum given his actions with Kurumi. 2 of the people on his wagon were townie, + everything I already posted about him earlier: + Show Spoiler + On March 13 2013 00:49 Vivax wrote: Your role is more anti-town than anything. Already using it so early in the day on a player looking so bad at the time is scummy and only convenient for you. You were willing to bet a townie life against a check that no one would believe cause it would have been a D1 check. If you were town you'd be seriously stupid, but I know you aren't. Neither of both. On March 13 2013 00:59 Vivax wrote: Had VE as scumread before the shot, but didn't shoot him. Proof that yamato is scum Yamato announces that the problem will be solved when he doesn't know if he gets a check back or Kurumi dies. Yamato knew Kurumi would die and says he doesn't have to announce the shot in the thread but claimed it on his own - despite not knowing if he'll get a check back he says that "The problem will be solved". The actual announcement comes later His reaction after knowing Kurumi would die as town: On March 13 2013 01:08 Vivax wrote: Now, aside from the fact that yamato didn't shoot his "scumread", he didn't play as if he expected to get a check back on Kurumi no, he posted as if he knew he would get shot. What if he had the chance to get a check back from Kurumi (like he should believe), why announce something beforehand when you don't know the outcome? Let's assume he expected to get a red check back on Kurumi, would he announce it in the thread or wait for the outcome and only claim the shot if he hit green? In case he hit red he could simply push Kurumi or claim the check afterwards. In case of green he could have stayed silent or claimed it or whatever he wanted to, but he chose the stupid way, why? Explanation: For his role to work he had to play the shot like MZ played it. He had to announce that he would shoot someone in the thread for his role to work, but refuses to admit it. Every other explanation doesn't make sense unless he's a massive derp. On March 13 2013 01:29 Vivax wrote: ______________________________________________________________________________________________________ He chose to shoot Kurumi for martyring over his "scumread" VE in the arc of 13 minutes. Bugs was martyring, too but he pumps out a 5 guy list instead of going for Bugs who does the same as Kurumi. Kurumi martyring is a good enough reason to shoot him but Bugs doing that isn't a good enough reason to lynch him over 4 others? Inconsistent reasons, terrible role usage, indications of him knowing Kurumi's flip beforehand ( + general subjective scumminess). ##Vote yamato77 | ||
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1. Arguing some dude is town cause he would give up as mafia. Says he provides contributions and points when he's around when mafia does that too as matter of survival, not commenting on the quality or purpose of these contributions, just on the number apparently. Also Ver doesn't do exactly that and marv still doesn't think he's scum. strongandbig - I think he's probably town. I know recently he's had a massive motivation problem with mafia in general, and I think if he rolled mafia this game he'd just have completely given up. Lurkier than I like but is actually providing some contributions and points when he's around. This is the guy marv thinks is town right now: 2. Ver. Really absent. Maybe he should be in somewhat scummy. I just don't know. confuses the fuck out of me. + Show Spoiler + On March 13 2013 11:59 marvellosity wrote: OK this is going to be a bit of a ramble and possibly unstructured. This corresponds to how I feel about the game. I guess it's only night 1 but i'm less certain on so many people than I like. I'm going to start with the wishy washy (my thoughts that is, not how they've played necessarily) middle. risk, prplhz, BC, Stutters, slOosh, Mocsta, Ver (ugh), Acrofales, supersoft. ok quick rundown. I like risk when he's around, it feels like town risk. But he's not around enough, and that's more mafia risk. prplhz. super lurky, although a decent case on BC. Some posts feel like town prplhz, but the lurkiness, oh the lurkiness. I'm banking on his weird anger towards me being genuine, but i'm not sure. BC. Weird roleplaying thing that he's trying to excuse how he's playing. I don't like it. I don't like how he said I outright lied about him, when it clearly wasn't the case, as per what VE and I wrote. I'm pretty clearly town to most people reading the thread properly, BC has a brain, so I should be pretty clearly town to him too. Instead he's baselessly attacking me. Not good. But I don't think he should be a focus tomorrow. Stutters - super lurky and bad, called out, did some stuff, disappeared. Don't know what to make of him. his contributions seemed ok when he stopped RPing. bleh. slOosh. absent. bad. maybe his push on yamato is genuine. maybe his role thing up there is genuine. wait and see. could well be mafia, but could still be town. Mocsta. Snipey and unhelpful, but isn't shitting up the thread. don't know where i stand with him. Ver. Really absent. Maybe he should be in somewhat scummy. I just don't know. confuses the fuck out of me. Acrofales. wasn't sure what he has been trying to achieve so far this game. but reads post that he just made looks decent at first glance. i expect him to be stepping it up and helping day 2 if he's town. supersoft, not getting mafia vibes. but really, really unproductive, which is unlike supersoft. bleh. [u]People I'm town on to varying degrees Hiro. Too lurky I guess, but his posts feel genuine when he makes them. I'm not sure, but I'm kinda leaning town here. I don't see why he should be a focus tomorrow at all. VE. Has backed me up, whether on purpose or not, on several occasions. So he's seeing the game the way i am. I hope to god he's town. I think he's town, no reason at all not to at this stage. Dandel. His play really does feel nothing like British II that he just came out of as mafia. He's more helpful and productive, even if still trolly, but he'll always be that way. I liked his catch on Acro's sheeping at the end of day 1, which may or may not mean anything. austin. seems to be thinking about the game and caring about the game, engaging people in conversation. I have no real reason to think austin is mafia at this point. Oatsmaster. Suspicious of a lot of people, that's how he plays town. He is always all over the place, he asks stupid questions, and apparently contradicts himself quite a bit. this doesn't make him mafia. Oats plays SCARED as mafia. Posts like these are not scared: strongandbig - I think he's probably town. I know recently he's had a massive motivation problem with mafia in general, and I think if he rolled mafia this game he'd just have completely given up. Lurkier than I like but is actually providing some contributions and points when he's around. iamp - posting less than I like, but some posts give me a warm and fuzzy vibe. don't see a reason to look at him right now. especially as he made me a giggle. good towntell ;D Promethelax - despite posting in limericks, seems to have a clear plan and idea to his play. he was all over the shop as mafia in LX, his limerick posts actually make more sense than his awful posts here. MAYBE he's hiding behind it? but i don't think so right now. yamato - his posting today makes me feel better about him. i still think he's town, i'm not certain, but I don't want to lynch him right now either. More interesting things [b]Vivax! Not actually certain Vivax is mafia at all. Here's the thing about Vivax. He's absolutely batshit insane. This is usually a pretty solid town tell for Vivax. However there are a few specific things that make me worry about using this broadbrush read. 1) a really weird slight town read on Crossfire 2) calling Foolishness town and attacking me, despite having not read either filter and missing TWO things in Foolishness' under one page filter 3) asking me to ragequit like in LVIII. He knows I was town there, and he also probably knows that I only genuinely really rage when I'm town. I don't like this at all. So Vivax, I don't know. Crossfire Nothing in his filter says town. At all. The reason we didn't lynch him is because he conveninently showed up as the votes were piling on him, and was like "oh lol is it deadline lol daylights saving time" and it seemed kinda genuine. What the fuck has he done with this reprieve? ABSOLUTELY NOTHING. Looks like mafia. Corazon I think he's mafia. I'm running out of time so I can't quote posts, but his push on yamato feels really forced. If I'm dead, go read back through his filter. Look at how he talks about his push on yamato. It continuously reads that he's going to keep pushing yamato until he doesn't have to anymore. He refuses to do anything else, but he basically says "yeah I'm just going to tunnel yamato". He's not active or engaged with anything else. When yamato was in the thread earlier talking with austin, corazon came back to the thread to tunnel yamato some more, and disappeared, deciding not to take the time to make conversation with his main scumread. Looks like mafia. Foolishness Apparently he's short of time because he's doing jack shit. He got caught in a lie by saying that he always finds me scummy, even though that's impossible, everything he said about that, our games together, my smurf game, has been disproved. He's kinda around but not doing anything. 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Spoiler the quotes at least. SlOosh, I'm currently thinking you're town by connection actually, but if you kill Foolish and let marv and yamato go you do basically everything wrong. I know it's hard to argue against a town who has this strong tendency to rub vet butt, but I think you should let all nukes hit if you think Foolish is scum. I would argue for you to take the nuke off Foolish but I'd prefer a compromise. | ||
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marv risk s&b yamato and some other dude I'm trying to figure out. Prplhz seems to be a trail cause of this: I haven't filtered prplhz, but his start was similar to his scum start from LIX, so he's worth a look to see if he shaped up or not while I was gone. Posted by yamato, he never followed up with it, nothing, zero, null. It was literally the only time he mentioned prplhz in the game | ||
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On March 14 2013 08:10 Acrofales wrote: Goddamn it. I can't make sense of Vivax. Is Vivax scum? Or just fucking nuts? Why do Risk and SnB suddenly appear randomly in a list? WHY? I don't disagree with you on risk, he is lurking, which is his scum meta, but wtf. Also, SnB looks quite townie. You had scumreads on other people, which have been dropped and now SnB and risk appear randomly. You forgot all about Ver, all of a sudden, while you called him scum like half an hour ago. You were thinking about nuking Dandel Ion. It makes no sense. Oh, and the whole nuke distraction shit made everybody forget about your horrid breadcrumbs which you didn't follow up on. What are you trying to achieve with this post? Are you quoting something as counter evidence? Do you think I'm nuts/scum whatever for bringing up Nuke(mentioned him earlier btw)? I put nuke into that list cause I've been looking at yamato's filter, and he calls a lot of people lurky shits but nuke never is among them. I'm simply working from the premise that scum doesn't try to bring attention to their own teammates. Acrofales if you're town you're being disruptive, an ass and not helpful, you try to drag me into a conversation that is unproductive and not to dissuade me from the things you disagree with or push the things you agree with. Regardless of my earlier play I'm currently trying to play the game at the best and most diplomatic of my abilities so get your shit together and actually try to move the ship towards a safe haven instead of insulting me constantly. Disagree? | ||
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On March 14 2013 08:14 marvellosity wrote: I have to watch some Walking dead with my other half, but I picked this out of Foolishness' post: marvellosity is more abrasive when he's mafia than when he's town lol, no. I would like to note this is a common strategy by marv in this game. Whenever someone posts cases against him or people he doesn't want lynched he picks a part that is attackable/unclear and tries to pull you into conversation about that or inflate that part while completely disregarding the rest. If that's the whole thing marv is able to counter then we can effectively say he doesn't know how to defend himself from the majority of the case. | ||
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Is there anything else you want to come clean about since everyone wants to kill you? Yes, last night I shot yamato77, but my bullet turned out to be a dud. According to the notification I received, the role lied to me and I did not actually have a one-time vigi shot. Thus I do not think anyone interfered with my shooting last night (I wasn't roleblocked or anything of the sort). When I was notified that I didn't actually have a vigi-shot, I thought that the nuke was the replacement for that. That is, my role ability is actually "may shoot someone at night with a dud bullet. If this ability is used the player gets a nuke the following day which he may use at anytime." Doesn't it mean that Foolish' nuke has not been given to him by SlOosh? O_o | ||
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On March 14 2013 08:33 Acrofales wrote: Okay. Why have you stopped thinking Dandel Ion is scum? Why have you stopped thinking Ver is scum? Why is SnB scum? The point of that post wasn't to get a discussion going WITH you, but ABOUT you. The way you've been yelling and carrying on in this game made me think it was pointless to try to discuss things with you. But I'll give it a go if you've calmed down. Again, you're saying I'm playing this game aggressively and am not calm when it's not true. And by mentioning this you're talking about useless things. Talk about reads not about my emotions. As for Ver, I noticed a few things in early interactions between yamato and you. Yamato defended you for pushing Ver when risk tried to dissuade you from doing so saying that Ver doesn't matter or something along that. So well, I'm kinda perplex on this one but my tentative scumteam was a quick impression I got from reading yamato's filter. Either you and yamato are scum and Ver and risk are town (this would coincide with Foolishness' PoV saying that you should give Ver some time to start playing properly) , or yamato is scum, you town and he soft-defended you against risk pushing Ver (but yamato mentioned Ver as lynch choice before deadline before leaving his vote on SS). So well, that's why I'm going with town Ver. Actually I might also go with town risk despite him looking a lot like fruity mafia. Doesn't really matter though cause what matters is who I want to lynch first, and it's yamato | ||
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Cause then we can discuss other lynch choices than yamato/marv. But first I need to know how you will decide so I reread the right parts. Anyway since I don't seem to need to make massive cases any more I'd like to quote some strange reasoning from yamato as a snack: Taken from this post:http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=400204¤tpage=39#778 Oats' response is exactly the response I want to give, as well. What scum has a detective role that mod confirms people as town, and then shoots them? Makes no sense from a mafia perspective. This is really bad reasoning. 1: Some functions of Kurumi's role didn't make sense from town perspective either (he could frame people) and he should know it. 2. A flipped townie is modconfirmed so it doesn't really make a difference if there's an announcement saying they're town before they get shot. As in, arguing you're town for having such a role is really weak. | ||
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1. If Foolish was scum he would have shot marv since he's more threatening than yamato if he was town.So he shot a genuine scumread and it makes sense for him to shoot like that with his fail vig story (when no one really asked why he nuked yamato so promptly he still explained it) 2. If I was scum or town in danger of being lynched I would have shot...well marv, so it isn't really alignment indicative for me. 3. And Crossfire..Well he shot a guy who was main lynch candidate who's dangerous for scum when he's town and just had done something that confirmed him as town (1). Also he shot without reading the thread and testing for reactions like I did. Anyway lynch yamato, crossfire or marv today the latter might be hard cause he has so many fanboys, some of them might just be scum though. | ||
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On March 14 2013 10:00 marvellosity wrote: You are all being very, very stupid. ONE post from Foolish and you behave like this? Two things. if you weren't confirmed town and dead, I'd lynch you for being really stupid. sorry supersoft. The most important thing of all is this. This is the most important part of Foolish's post. yamato, crossfire, marvellosity, in that order. Ask yourself. Why in that order? marvellosity-scum is a mafia leader. He's a mafia organiser, he's a mafia motivator. marvellosity-scum holds teams together. I am the head of any team, the danger. I have the best mafia record on the whole of TL for good reason. Check my profile. marvellosity-scum is fucking shitting up the thread, throwing false accusations around, and town are prone to following marvellosity-scum. marvellosity-scum is far more destructive to the thread than crossfire-scum or yamato-scum. marvellosity-scum SHOULD BE DYING TODAY. Not in 3 days. Now ask yourself this. You know everything I have just said is true. it should be ABSOLUTELY IMPERATIVE that you cut off the head now. Why has foolishness not called for my death today? Because he knows that it will be very, very, very hard to win a 1v1 with me. Even though you're all fawning over one mega-post. He's taking the easy way out. To repeat, and it's in his filter, Foolishness is 100% sure I'm mafia. I should be the only lynch for today. I on the other hand, am town, and am not taking the easy way out. Today, it is either me or Foolish. Make your beds and lie in it town. No-one else. Him. Me. ![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/H48y2h0.gif) ______________________________________________________________________________________________________ Cool speech. Summary: 1. Marv is calling to be a lynch option over others and telling town to not consider anything besides him and Foolish. 2. There are 5 scum in this game and town should only consider two guys for lynch. Of which one is alleged scum and the other alleged town. 3. Marv just did a mistake. He had crossfire as scum here (snipped, it's his wishywashy read post): On March 13 2013 11:59 marvellosity wrote: Crossfire Nothing in his filter says town. At all. The reason we didn't lynch him is because he conveninently showed up as the votes were piling on him, and was like "oh lol is it deadline lol daylights saving time" and it seemed kinda genuine. What the fuck has he done with this reprieve? ABSOLUTELY NOTHING. Looks like mafia. and when it's day he never gives another opinion on him except this: On March 14 2013 04:20 marvellosity wrote: Crossfire is shooting at someone I'm convinced is mafia. good. Mafia is shooting at someone I think is town. Vivax is batshit insane. We're done. So basically, Foolish is asking for a crossfire lynch. And marv, instead of agreeing with Foolish on lynching their common scumread Crossfire (given that - If crossfire flips scum then marv shouldn't doubt Foolish anymore, which is the wisest choice), says we should only consider marv and Foolish for lynch. Would you do this as town? Well played marv, well played. | ||
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Marv says he sure about crossfire, Foolish says he sure about crossfire. People in thread would rather lynch crossfire than marv or Foolish. Marv doesn't want crossfire to be lynched when crossfire flip would prove that Fool is town. | ||
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My scumread just shot another scumread therefore he must be town. | ||
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@ Marv Marv who would you lynch today if we don't lynch Foolishness? | ||
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On March 14 2013 10:37 iamperfection wrote: i feel strongest about ver as well as fool still i dont think cross is mafia that lynch deadline stuff still makes me think he is town Yamato not playing is extremely concerning but i feel stronger about ver and fool What lynch deadline stuff? The stuff where he acted confused about the time? You know, I built in "townslips" in LX where I looked like I didn't know how scum KP works. What makes you think Ver is mafia? | ||
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Foolishness wakes up a nice day and marv is pushing him to the gallows with his horde of enthusiastic fanboys He finds a nice nuke in front of his door and decides to target his 100 % scumread yamato with it instead of marv. Why would he as scum not shoot town marv? | ||
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On March 14 2013 11:14 iamperfection wrote: because that would be claiming scum imo Marv claimed check on Foolish, everyone wanted to lynch Foolish, how would be care about claiming scum? Explain how it'd be a scumclaim, and explain how it's not a scumclaim when I do it. That's a huge inconsistency in arguments you show there. Seriously iamp you're making me doubt you're town currently. Look at the filter you quoted and tell me it looks like marv from this game please. | ||
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On March 14 2013 19:55 supersoft wrote: i solved this game! forget everything i said before! It's not hard when you start from the presumption that Acro and yamato are scum. | ||
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Hiro, Oats and maybe risk might be excluded for some interactions with acro, also had an early vote from him but might be meaningless S & B, crossfire, prplhz seem like good remaining candidates, however crossfire would have been bussed pretty early. For remindal: Scum doesn't want yamato dead. (This is so easy to show that you should be ashamed as town) Evidence: + Show Spoiler + On March 12 2013 11:10 kitaman27 wrote: Day One Update cDgCorazon (1): VisceraEyes (0): Mocsta (0): iamperfection (0): Acrofales (0): Ver (0): Hiropro (0): Oatsmaster (1): Yamato77 (6): cDgCorazon, VisceraEyes, slOosh, Vivax, Foolishness, BloodyC0bbler Promethelax (0): Stutters965 (0): Crossfire99 (7): austinmcc (0): wherebugsgo (8): VisceraEyes, Promethelax, Oatsmaster, Mocsta, Crossfire99, austinmcc, Vivax (0): Supersoft (1): yamato77 SlOosh (2): HiroPro, prplhz (1): 50 minutes remain. Please let me know if you notice a mistake Acrofales de-facto-proof that he's pushing scum agenda: Says Iamp is partially suspicious for voting Bugs. Acrofales voted Bugs with this: + Show Spoiler + On March 12 2013 07:27 Acrofales wrote: Fine. My flight's boarding and browsing your filter it is looking like duel D1. I like that last post showing how differently bugs plays as town from his useless defeatist attitude this game, and my vote on Ver is going nowhere. I'll get back to that tomorrow. When I get home I hope I can make a better reasoned out vote, but for now: BAAAAAAA BAAAAAAAA ##vote wherebugsgo On March 13 2013 11:37 Acrofales wrote: *snip* Iamperfection: not his aggressive, assertive self. Could be roleplaying, but as Marv said, town Iamperfection is so easy to read, he is almost as good as an IC. Iamp is not playing like that this game. Also voted for Bugs, but has a better reason than Mocsta. *snip* Yes, I realize that I have way too many scumspects. This game is impossible to read and clear up townies. I'm glad I even found 4. We kill Ver or Cora tomorrow. We kill Ver or Cora tomorrow he says. Then the D2 action with checks and nukes arises, he says he still thinks Ver is more likely scum: + Show Spoiler + On March 13 2013 22:13 Acrofales wrote: Foolishness was null, leaning scum yesterday and still is. The nuke is currently meaningless, as there are too many explanations for it. Until Kita or Greymist launch the nuke, I withhold reservation. Trolling about nuking Yamato fits with his playstyle this game, which is STILL better than Ver's. Even without your parity check, it makes sense for there to be a scum between the two giants in the game. If we disregard framers, that means there is 1 scum and 1 town between them. I still think Ver is the more likely scum, unless someone can point me to Foolishness being a massive troll a scum. Status update: If nuke real we kill Foolishness, if not, we kill him tomorrow: + Show Spoiler + On March 14 2013 02:59 Acrofales wrote: /facepalm Anyway, I don't know why we are speculating about the nuke being real. If it is, we kill Foolishness. If it isn't, we kill Foolishness tomorrow. In the meantime, we should kill someone else. SS: for a confirmed townie who is hanging around to give us guidance, you are not guiding much. Do you agree with me that Cora is scum? If not, who should we kill today? Still votes for him when nukes are fake with no reasoning given, showing his previous reasons are complete bogus. On March 14 2013 05:27 Acrofales wrote: So... ok. ##vote Foolishness Sloosh wasted a couple of hours, but comes out looking townier and Xfire also looking townier, so I'll call it a win. | ||
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On March 14 2013 21:27 Vivax wrote: Acro, yamato, marv are obviscum | ||
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You can bank on bad towns for playing like this, same as in our last game where you were mafia and I wanted to policy lynch you D1. Too bad you actually suck, but luckily for you your opponents suck even more. Anyway I'll go watch some paralympics from the last years. | ||
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Acro says: I think Ver is more likely scum and if the nuke is real we lynch Foolish, if it's fake we lynch Foolish tomorrow. The nuke isn't real and he still goes against Foolish and doesn't push for a Ver lynch at all. SlOosh says: I want to lynch marv first cause, then I want to lynch yamato first cause. All you mention are loud considerations to prefer one choice over the other which I have done plenty of times myself and is perfectly normal even for townies to do. What acro did is not what townies usually do. | ||
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On March 14 2013 09:40 Vivax wrote: Well that's sad :| but would have been pretty strong so makes sense. Well played actually. 1. If Foolish was scum he would have shot marv since he's more threatening than yamato if he was town.So he shot a genuine scumread and it makes sense for him to shoot like that with his fail vig story (when no one really asked why he nuked yamato so promptly he still explained it) 2. If I was scum or town in danger of being lynched I would have shot...well marv, so it isn't really alignment indicative for me. 3. And Crossfire..Well he shot a guy who was main lynch candidate who's dangerous for scum when he's town and just had done something that confirmed him as town (1). Also he shot without reading the thread and testing for reactions like I did. Anyway lynch yamato, crossfire or marv today the latter might be hard cause he has so many fanboys, some of them might just be scum though. So basically, Foolish is asking for a crossfire lynch. And marv, instead of agreeing with Foolish on lynching their common scumread Crossfire (given that - If crossfire flips scum then marv shouldn't doubt Foolish anymore, which is the wisest choice), says we should only consider marv and Foolish for lynch. Would you do this as town? Try to argue against this marv, you can't. | ||
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On March 14 2013 22:39 Dandel Ion wrote: Hey Vivax besides having abysmal reads, what about this: Are you playing crazy and anti-town just to not get lynched? Sure looks like you trying to play what's supposedly "normal" for you. Cuz I know you'd be able to not be a massive dickhead if you tried to. If you want I can also quote some of your posts demanding lynches on other players (like me!) for playing blatantly anti-town. What gives? Also, I need your top 5 townreads. My townreads are my not-scumreads, Mengenlehre. Go on. | ||
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On March 14 2013 22:54 iamperfection wrote: i agree foolish should die and sloosh still dosn't make me think he is town. I said it last night as well anyone who has doubts about a town marv should look at you analysng the interaction with vivax and myself by you. If that doesn't look like somebody figuring stuff out then i don't know what it. In your opinion Foolish's absolutely longest read and explanation post in this game doesn't look like someone figuring things out? | ||
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→ 18,6 % of the posts in this game are by marv, who "is" 3,3 % of the players in this game. He probably beats Bill Murray by a long shot. | ||
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On March 14 2013 23:05 marvellosity wrote: ![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/F2yZ2ne.png) a disinterested 3rd party made me a pretty picture A truly disinterested one if he thinks you're right about what you say. | ||
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Marv says there's nothing about Ver to make him think he's town and prefers Foolish. Marv claimed DT in the thread and didn't get shot nor roleblocked. Marv cherrypicks and takes every chance to go ad hominem on people trying to figure the game out. Marv says that a scum Foolish getting a nuke would not shoot a DT to make us believe he's town. Cmon | ||
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Then he should want even more to lynch Crossfire instead of Foolish. Crossfire was one of his scumreads D1. Crossfire was his scumread at the end of the night. Crossfire used his nuke in a bad, scummy way during the day and barely plays this game. A crossfire flipping red would redeem Foolish who you don't want to mislynch when you're town. A Foolish who is putting effort into this game. | ||
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Hey guys I'm sandroba playing from Vivax's account sheep me cause my name is leet and stuff. And with this, gl on lynching Foolish. | ||
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Cora we can mourn together how you were one of the better players post-game but for the time being please put your vote where it matters. | ||
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Acrofales de-facto-proof that he's pushing scum agenda:[/i] Says Iamp is partially suspicious for voting Bugs. Acrofales voted Bugs with this: + Show Spoiler + On March 12 2013 07:27 Acrofales wrote: Fine. My flight's boarding and browsing your filter it is looking like duel D1. I like that last post showing how differently bugs plays as town from his useless defeatist attitude this game, and my vote on Ver is going nowhere. I'll get back to that tomorrow. When I get home I hope I can make a better reasoned out vote, but for now: BAAAAAAA BAAAAAAAA ##vote wherebugsgo On March 13 2013 11:37 Acrofales wrote: *snip* Iamperfection: not his aggressive, assertive self. Could be roleplaying, but as Marv said, town Iamperfection is so easy to read, he is almost as good as an IC. Iamp is not playing like that this game. Also voted for Bugs, but has a better reason than Mocsta. *snip* Yes, I realize that I have way too many scumspects. This game is impossible to read and clear up townies. I'm glad I even found 4. We kill Ver or Cora tomorrow. We kill Ver or Cora tomorrow he says. Then the D2 action with checks and nukes arises, he says he still thinks Ver is more likely scum: + Show Spoiler + On March 13 2013 22:13 Acrofales wrote: Foolishness was null, leaning scum yesterday and still is. The nuke is currently meaningless, as there are too many explanations for it. Until Kita or Greymist launch the nuke, I withhold reservation. Trolling about nuking Yamato fits with his playstyle this game, which is STILL better than Ver's. Even without your parity check, it makes sense for there to be a scum between the two giants in the game. If we disregard framers, that means there is 1 scum and 1 town between them. I still think Ver is the more likely scum, unless someone can point me to Foolishness being a massive troll a scum. He states : If nuke real we kill Foolishness, if not, we kill him tomorrow: + Show Spoiler + On March 14 2013 02:59 Acrofales wrote: /facepalm Anyway, I don't know why we are speculating about the nuke being real. If it is, we kill Foolishness. If it isn't, we kill Foolishness tomorrow. In the meantime, we should kill someone else. SS: for a confirmed townie who is hanging around to give us guidance, you are not guiding much. Do you agree with me that Cora is scum? If not, who should we kill today? Still votes for Foolish when nukes are fake with no reasoning given, showing his previous reasons are complete bogus. On March 14 2013 05:27 Acrofales wrote: So... ok. ##vote Foolishness Sloosh wasted a couple of hours, but comes out looking townier and Xfire also looking townier, so I'll call it a win. | ||
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Why not work with me to infer on further reasons to think Acro is scum and instead work against that goal? Are you really interested into him? Then let's dig some more shall we? Can you find me some more reasons on why he's scum? | ||
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MARV THINKS ACRO MIGHT BE SCUM TIME TO DIG FILTERS | ||
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On March 14 2013 23:51 Oatsmaster wrote: I changed my mind, too lazy to change my vote if in fact its on Foolishness. Foolishness is town. K got past that? That means that Marv is scum, due to the very nice explanation and trap that foolishness did. Now what marv did after foolishness's post is nitpick on one specific part and never mention it again. DrH said in his mafia podcast(go listen its really nice). That as scum, you dont want to address a hugeass case point by point because then more slips of logic will happen and you are now very under pressure. Instead, marv picks a small portion, blasts it, then moves on. Now people dont really remember that and the focus is off marv and onto foolishness who cant defend himself/hammer marv cause he is not here. Then the thread goes to pieces, with marv hastening its destruction. With Foolishness town, this means that yamato is probably scum, as well as crossfire for reasons previously stated. Holy shit Oats I love you. <3 <3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3 | ||
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On March 14 2013 23:56 austinmcc wrote: Do you believe that Foolishness received a batman-posting-restriction/unlynchable/fake-1-shot-vigi PM? If so, how does his worry over whether people listen and looking townie mesh up with the fact that he is unlynchable? If not, can you explain why Foolishness is lying in that post? Austin, you are unlynchable but have scumreads and town still wants to lynch you over your scumreads. Do you not post anything about your scumreads to persuade them just cause you're unlynchable? Do you think he would just not do anything cause he's unlynchable as town? | ||
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On March 15 2013 00:09 austinmcc wrote: You'd post, and you'd try to swing the lynch other ways. But...you'd do 2 things. You'd post reads/arguments, and you'd inform everyone you were unlynchable. You still get your reads/arguments into the thread, and people know you're not going to die, that you don't care about the lynch, etc. Foolishness did 3 things. He posted reads/arguments, informed everyone he was unlynchable, and also worried about how townie he looked/what actions would make him look townier. To the extent that he is concerned with that, who cares, because HE WILL SURVIVE A MO-FO-ING lynch. It's good to want to look townie. It's good to want people to listen to you. It's not good to want to look townie, want people to listen to you, and conveniently forget that you are claiming to be unlynchable, which means that the actions of the game will make you look super townie as they play out. At the very least, that consideration should be in your mind. And it doesn't seem to have been there for Foolishness. The thing is, people are less prone to believe your scumreads if they believe you're scum in the first place. I don't see why Foolish should completely disregard defending himself just cause he claims to be unlynchable, also his post was a long story of thought process throughout the game, so the points to his defense come, let's say naturally. Look austin, from your perspective, it's the start of the day, so a lot of people want to lynch you. You could simply tell your scumreads, or you could tell your scumreads and defend yourself to make yourself more credible. The latter is always a better option, unlynchable or not. | ||
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Anyway, how does ANY of this make you think I am scum? You went against your own reasons simple. Arguing against it with other points that are unrelated (changing your mind afterwards) won't change anything about that. 1. Using something as a point against someone you did yourself. Doesn't matter if Iamp was scumread or not, you said he looks bad cause of something you did as well. You say people on the Bugs wagon with weak reasons are suspicious. That includes you. You announced you would want to lynch Ver. You didn't want to lynch Ver (while still posting he looks bad during the day, a few hours difference between the posts don't make a difference between about to be modkilled/not about to be modkilled, also you didn't give any reasoning for preferring Foolishness over him.) And anyway, Ver has been replaced by darth punk, so I suppose the guy he's playing is not about to get modkilled anymore, how does that change things for you? You announced you would not lynch Foolish if the nukes were fake. You voted Foolish with the nukes being fake. | ||
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On March 15 2013 00:17 austinmcc wrote: We agree that you should still be defending yourself and getting reads out there. But his defense is suspect to me, because of his claimed role and because he seems to have taken A and B into account, but not C, which I don't understand. He also didn't defend himself at the start of the day, he waited until all the nuke stuff blew over. That's...neither here nor there, I don't think that matters all too much, but at the start of the day he got like 4 votes and some other suspicions, nuked yamato, and then peaced out for half a day (apart from dropping a weird comment on risk.nuke). Instead of explaining himself, he fired the first nuke of the day and dipped, and you saw what the thread was like for a long time. Well, regarding his nuke: If SlOosh is town then he couldn't know it was fake so he fired his nuke at yamato thinking it was real, he didn't fire it against marv like he would if he was scum and marv town. I already mentioned this several times however, with marv counter-arguing that he fired the nuke at yamato cause we would argue that he's town for that. But that only makes sense if SlOosh is scum, which seems unlikely. Why is it unlikely? People were unwilling to lynch nuke targets to see what they flipped. So if SlOosh was scum, he could have stayed silent and hoped to win another day for Foolish without revealing that he created the nukes. So Foolish tried to vig his scumread, not a supposed town DT/JOAT or whatever. Therefore he's town. | ||
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On March 15 2013 00:33 DarthPunk wrote: What are you saying here? It sounds like you are calling yamato scum without actually calling him scum? Care to clarify? He shot a townie (Kurumi) over his scumread (VE) with the argument that Kurumi voted for himself. He made that decision within 13 minutes after the vote, while Kurumi was under suspicion from other players, for roleplaying in a roleplaying game, after claiming a role that scum would never claim cause it was so good. Is yamato townie enough for you? | ||
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On the other hand they will have some more people to kill off tonight. Hint: Marv not dying + he has the excuse for it since Dandel keeps saying he will protect him. If I can give you a hint for posting: Don't fall victim to get yourself dragged too much into conversations (It's ok at times). Do your own thing, don't get pulled into longish conversations about single posts like marv and darth try to get you into. Go dive some filters, look at important moments during the game (lynch, nuke firing, night hits and their targets). I often ask quick series of questions too (when I shouldn't) , it's normal at times but there are a lot of people in this game who only lurk in the last page of the game and don't pull out stuff from earlier pages. Those are people like marv and Dandel. There have been a few times where the game has been properly readable cause people stick to writing long posts. Austin hardly ever spams, he's a fine poster. This as future guideline if you have comments a la "Oh well you did that too in this and this game" then keep them to yourself we look forward here when it comes to pushing useful play. | ||
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On March 15 2013 01:47 marvellosity wrote: lol. here's Cora accusing me of bringing things up from way earlier in the game: Way to go, Vivax! Tell Cora, not me. Also thanks for spamming some more. On March 15 2013 01:48 supersoft wrote: on the road: Part 1 reads: yamato, acro, oats are town. this is my final stance on them. i am curious though, why vivax wents for acro after i called his filter interesting; because i didnt call it interesting because of scummieness. acro actually has some useful contributions, that convinced me that yamato must be town. acro himself is town, because he was flying successfully under every radar with useless play and shaped up immensly without any pressure. my read on oats bases on page 0-130. his latest flipflopping however only shows his interest in lynching properly. therefor it's still accurate! Did you read what I wrote about Acro's strange behaviour regarding Foolishness and Ver? I would also like you to bring up Acro's contributions that convinced you that yamato is town. Also Acro has been asking really disruptive, pointless questions around the time when you and SlOosh were around. I hoped you had noticed it too. It looks like Foolish dies (or not) today anyway so well, if he actually flips and is town we instalynch marv if he survives the night. That will stop thread page growing rate by, what did I say, 18,8 % or something along that and marv is likely scum anyway. As for yamato, I stick to the argument that scum wants to keep him alive purely based on voting patterns and cause he would be an easy mislynch plus the other thousands of things I wrote about him, how he shot Kurumi etc. etc. | ||
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It will kill you. You thought that it was fine that your dick kept growing, and the cancer didn't even look ugly so you leave it where it is. And there are doctors who tell you : "You have to cut that cancer off" and the cancer tells you : "If you kill me you will lose your dick let's kill those people who want you to lose your dick, let's kill the best doctor around cause he will push people to cut your dick" And all the while you don't realize that you and your dick will survive if you remove the cancer, but the cancer is too strong and looks like it's helping your dick, so you keep the cancer around even though it doesn't stop growing when you tell it to. All of this ending in the best dick surgeon of the country dying to an angry mob who wants to keep their dick. + Show Spoiler + Also he refuses to look into Acrofales after saying he found him odd without pointing exactly out what and ignoring my request to expand. So he has no interest into looking into Acrofales actually, they're probably scum together and marv set himself up for later. | ||
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On March 15 2013 02:18 marvellosity wrote: Why would I look hard into Acrofales when there are more pressing matters at hand? Why are you castigating me about Acro when confirmed town supersoft is calling him town? What's the use in it? Are you going to call supersoft mafia now for calling Acrofales town with his final answer? So someone who looks odd to you is not more pressing? Prefer to keep talking about the guy with 10 votes on him? You refuse to comment on Acrofales or mention anything substantial about him at all. That doesn't look like town marv who actually says what's scummy about the people he finds scummy. | ||
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"But marv, I think x is scummy, too, what's so scummy about him, why did you call me bad things earlier when I posted stuff against x, why not comment on them?" "Supersoft doesn't think x is scummy and there are more pressing matters at hand so I don't want to talk about someone I find scummy" "But marv, which townie doesn't like to talk about the those he finds scummy?" "errrr." | ||
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+ Show Spoiler + On March 15 2013 02:18 marvellosity wrote: Why would I look hard into Acrofales when there are more pressing matters at hand? Why are you castigating me about Acro when confirmed town supersoft is calling him town? What's the use in it? Are you going to call supersoft mafia now for calling Acrofales town with his final answer? On March 15 2013 02:31 marvellosity wrote: I've already mentioned - the scummiest thing that Acro did in my opinion is call Foolishness null for far too long. In addition, his early contributions were lacking, but that's partly at least because he was out of town at the weekend. Currently Acrofales is attacking Corazon hard, and with good reasons - i fully agree that Corazon is mafia. Worrying about a player who is attacking one of my two strongest scumreads is not a priority in the slightest. Well anyway I just wanted to point it out, thanks for answering once in a while. | ||
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Anyway, we'll see soon enough if Foolishness is lynchable, if he isn't he will have to get killed at night anyway (and is confirmed town cause being unlynchable is OP for scum), so we will force the medics to protect him and then fun begins cause marv and Dandel claimed medic and want to lynch him. If he's lynchable then he lied and will be scum and I will have had a terrible read (I don't exclude it, but I'm 99% sure he town) | ||
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On March 15 2013 02:51 yamato77 wrote: My thing is that if Marv and Foolish are both mafia, they have successfully made it nearly impossible to find their true scumbuddies today, and perhaps for a long while after this considering the state of the thread. I don't want town just sheeping Marv. While I think he's right about all this, the way he's going about it is a little odd in my opinion. It could just be me, and I am known to be extremely paranoid, but something feels off about this lynch, even though I am fairly confident in Foolishness being mafia. I find this post rather off. You say you're confident but everything about this post says you're not. Enough talking Foolishness anyway the bandwagon is rolling. Yamato which townie would you shoot today if you had another shot? + Show Spoiler + Actually, tell me who you want to lynch after Foolishness assuming Foolishness didn't exist please. | ||
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On March 15 2013 02:54 yamato77 wrote: If Foolishness is actually unlynchable then I am even more certain he is mafia. It also makes Marv look 100000000000000000x worse. + Show Spoiler + ![[image loading]](http://www.skinventory.dk/pics/wc/ultimate-facepalm.jpg) Are you kidding that's like giving town only x vigs and saying: "If you don't shoot this dude you lose the game". Do you really believe someone with such a role would be scum wtf. | ||
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Remember the D1 bandwagon? 2 of those on that bandwagon were town and are now dead there might be a reason no? | ||
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On March 15 2013 03:33 supersoft wrote: Vivax is a player, that will always be unreadable for me. His decisionmaking is different from everyone else in this forum. He's as special as chezinu and I will probably never be able to read him. This made me go awwww. But actually I'm just surprised you're not calling me insane but special lol (cause I'm not until I reach a computer and start playing mafia). Anyway I looked at the meta Foolish linked and I still don't think he's scum. However I'll quote Crossfire's meta again cause that does make me think he's scum and I would really really really appreciate if people noticed the differences to this game and commented on it when I help at spoonfeeding it. On March 13 2013 23:46 Vivax wrote: Meta is good I should use it more http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=344270&user=159969¤tpage=All town http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=397553&user=159969¤tpage=All scum http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=328625&user=159969 town http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=381440&user=159969 scum | ||
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On March 15 2013 05:53 Acrofales wrote: Xfire fired a nuke at Foolish. Xfire didn't know the nuke was fake (unless Xfire, Sloosh and Foolish are all scum together and this was a GIANT TRAP). Therefore, if Foolish is scum, and Xfire is scum, then Xfire fired a nuke at his scumbuddy... out of nowhere and for no apparent reason. Not a likely scenario. You use the same reasoning I apply to argue that Foolishness is town for shooting at yamato and not marv (for the case marv is town and Fool scum). I agree with you on yours, you agree with your own, so you must agree with mine | ||
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On March 15 2013 03:18 yamato77 wrote: LOOK, there are two ways I see this game being solved: 1) We lynch Foolishness and he flips mafia. Vivax, Corazon, Sloosh all look terrible, all are probable mafia. Prplhz might be last scum in that 5-scum equation because he in general just does nothing as mafia, and that's what we're seeing here. Could be any of a few lurking prospects, though, so I can't say for sure. ANYWAY, point being, it's obvious that Foolish wanted to live real bad so he lied about his role and told his teammates to defend him/try to lynch me, so all of the associations there are completely valid. 2)Foolish comes up unlynchable. What now? We wasted a whole fucking day trying to lynch someone that couldn't be lynched. Maybe it's only for today, maybe it's permanent. THE POINT IS, THERE'S NO FUCKING WAY TO TRUST HIM, AND TOWN IS STILL IN THE DARK, WHICH IS EXACTLY WHAT HE WANTS AS MAFIA. Ways yamato sees this game being solved: Point 1) Foolishness wanted to live real badly and thus lied about his role. So he mafia. Point 2) Foolishness is unlynchable and didn't lie and that's exactly what he wants as mafia. So he mafia. So basically, no matter what yamato listed here, Foolishness is always guilty and these are the only ways the game can be solved. Other than that, I'm yamato's other scumread for a bunch of omgus reasons but he doesn't show the slightest effort in finding out what I'm up to, or quote me once, or call me out for something. Other association stuff he mentions in that post: + Show Spoiler + So why does Marv look worse for this? Because all he's done today is tunnel the fuck out of Foolish. I've made many attempts to get him to do fucking anything else, but he doesn't. He gives noncommittal stances on everyone save Corazon, INCLUDING ME. He believes Foolish is CERTAIN MAFIA, but he expresses this sentiment in his filter today: That quote is all kinds of out of place, given Marv's stances on basically everything else this game. Why does he express in lynching me AND listening to Foolishness when he's done the exact opposite all game long? Ugh, I hate that fucking post. It's my nightmares. It makes me think Foolish can't be lynched today, and Marv has gotten town all piled on to Foolish and 100% lynching him, and then it doesn't happen. What happens tomorrow if Foolishness doesn't die from the lynch? Chaos. And a probable mafia victory. And a weak marv bus. | ||
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- a bad throwaway read on Vivax (no, well explained and correct) - his clear demonstration that he is not reading the thread, e.g. the nuke business (wrong, that's what crossfire is guilty of) - his very convenient roleclaims. austinmcc has said a lot on this and he's said it very well indeed. Claiming unlynchable is very convenient, isn't it? prplhz has a power where he can be unlynchable once if he decides a day in advance, and yet Foolishness is simply unlynchable? No thanks. austin also talks about how he tries to use these other things like this supposedly dud shot on yamato (also incredibly convenient) to prove his townieness. It's all just so much nonsense. (Dandel's and your roleclaims are convenient too, can't be the only reason to make you scum) - his reads are poor or have inconsistencies. Nullish on crossfire earlier? no. yamato mafia? I've destroyed that case. me mafia? I've destroyed that case too. (pretty generally mentioned but this game is big and I agree with his reads so I'm not agreeing with this unless you expand) So far you keep riding on the point how you are more angry as town and as mafia and Foolish's super harmful lie marv, when you lied about your role. | ||
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Can you explain what's up with that story where you stab marv. How does it finish. Also are you only non-lynchable today like you claim or forever? As for lynching yamato, not gonna happen in this game I fear. | ||
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On March 11 2013 21:07 prplhz wrote: yamato77 isn't scum because he's an anonymous dayvig who chose to shoot Kurumi over Foolishness/Ver/TakeYourPick. I just noticed this post. It's not what I was aiming at when looking through prplhz though but I find it kinda suspicious. | ||
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I am comparing the reads marv gave to prplhz in LIX compared to these and seeing what prplhz is playing like in comparison in the two games. | ||
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Marv calling out prplhz on something he couldn't have known and then "forgetting" about it (more likely covering up) On March 14 2013 05:21 prplhz wrote: how did plexa know prior to the first nuke launching what sloosh had done? On March 14 2013 05:21 marvellosity wrote: The message came after the nukes were launched? On March 14 2013 05:21 prplhz wrote: i mean plexa knew before dawn, and i don't think most people knew about the nukes before kita confirmed fool's nuke On March 14 2013 05:22 prplhz wrote: oh wasn't it with daypost? On March 14 2013 05:22 marvellosity wrote: ... pay attention, prplhz. No it came 4 or 5 hours ago. something like that. On March 14 2013 05:27 marvellosity wrote: New question prplhz: how do you even know Plexa sent a message when you don't even know when and where it was posted? How is that possible? Oh look marv forgot about prplhz's slip: On March 14 2013 06:02 marvellosity wrote: I want my case. I want you to go through the large effort of making it so I can laugh at you as you die. Please go ahead and make the case. I implore you. | ||
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On March 14 2013 05:21 prplhz wrote: i mean plexa knew before dawn, and i don't think most people knew about the nukes before kita confirmed fool's nuke Explain this, 1st of all, who the fuck is plexa? Two, whoever this plexa is, why are you arguing that someone, whoever it was, knew about the nukes before dawn? | ||
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Plexa was the dude sending out the russian stuff. And you talk about Plexa sending out the message before dawn. So you know who Plexa is and how his role works. So yeah, scumslip marv didn't go after. | ||
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YAAAY ##Unvote ##Vote prplhz Supersoft this is your last day here be a good cheerleader. | ||
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prplhz knew how Plexa's role worked. He said Plexa has to send his actions in before dawn. He said he read it somewhere but forgot, it can't have been himself cause he wouldn't post this On March 14 2013 05:21 prplhz wrote: how did plexa know prior to the first nuke launching what sloosh had done? ##Vote prplhz | ||
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But we've found something we can fry prplhz on, maybe that will get people convinced cause I don't see how prplhz can argue his way out of this, and marv for letting him slip despite not answering. prplhz could explain himself but he prefers to post "lol" Marv doesn't say why he let prplhz go after that and posts we should lynch cora What does that say about SlOosh if the mysterious Plexa had to send in that message before dawn? → "Plexa" knew SlOosh launched the nukes, and if Plexa is SlOosh himself, but he said he's caller (I think), then prplhz only can know about it if he knows how SlOosh's role works. | ||
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On March 15 2013 09:55 Vivax wrote: I'll toss in the half-finished stuff i was writing while researching prplhz, before I stepped onto his mistake. Things marv said about prplhz in LIX before lynching him D1. Cause I feel many apply to this game as well (nested quotes relevant) prplhz LIX filter This game Quotes from LIX - FT is marv:+ Show Spoiler + On January 21 2013 11:01 FiveTouch wrote: Has prplhz rolled town since Rock Band? In any case, I grab a post from there, where he was under suspicion early: Here he rationally talks about the case made on him, with little anger. He goes on to share thoughts on several players of the game, while also encouraging people to post more. This attitude doesn't mesh with the prplhz that I've seen so far this game. On January 21 2013 11:12 FiveTouch wrote: That was in fact ACME mini mafia: This attitude pervades his town games, actually. People can check this for themselves. He regularly asks people to post more when he is town as well. This game: On March 12 2013 05:30 prplhz wrote: I am playing this game, as you can see I am actively keeping up with the thread. I'm just not talking much because I don't see any reason for me to do that, I don't have much to offer and my personality doesn't do much day1 either (though for entirely different reasons, at least he thinks so). Why do you want to lynch me on day1 with my claim? | ||
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On March 15 2013 09:57 austinmcc wrote: WEEOOOWEEOOOWEEOOOWEEOOOWEEOOOWEEOOOWEEOOOWEEOOOWEEOOOWEEOOOWEEOOOWEEOOOWEEOOOWEEOOOWEEOOOWEEOOOWEEOOOWEEOOOWEEOOOWEEOOOWEE Vivax, here is my question to you: If prplhz is scum, who stole prplhz's vote today? If you think scum stole his vote, to make him look good, why do it then? He was NOT looking he was going to get lynched today when the steal came through. Moreover, if scum chose to blow a politician role in order to make prplhz look good in the middle of the day, that makes it highly unlikely that ANY decent lynch candidate today was scum, or else they should have stolen that guy's vote and then had him use that to look townie. Unless you can concisely, without spamming conspiracies, think up a reason for (1) town to steal prplhz's vote and NOT MENTION IT or (2) scum to steal scumprplhz's vote at that time, then at the very least table this until tomorrow? Foolishness, You should read those two posts of marvellosity's. There are a bunch of other scattered posts about you, but those directly address your case on him and some other stuff. But I'd like to talk about this unlynchability nonsense. You claimed unlynchable, which seemed highly unlikely, especially given that you also claimed to have been told you were a one-shot vigi. Now you're claiming that you cannot be lynched, and the second place vote-getter will always be lynched in your stead? Did you just realize this? Just ask Kita/GreY? Or were you hiding that information earlier? Your claim felt bogus the first time around. It still feels that way now. Saying that the second place vote-getter will be lynched in your stead is STILL unlynchability, and seems enormously powerful compared to a lot of what we've seen. I don't believe that you're being truthful here. Are you completely nuts austin. Prplhz claims to know something others don't and you ask me why someone stole his vote when it could have been any anyone. Scum stealking his and a townie stealing his cause he thinks I was a nice target. Stop being dumb. This isn't a conspiracy theory. This is prplhz looking sure that the Russian message was sent out before the dawn when he had no reason to, it knows role knowledge he shouldn't have and can't justify as being his own. | ||
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Marv, why do you want to discuss with me if someone shooting a townie D1 is alignment indicative or not. What matters is that yamato shot a townie over his scumreads and changed his decision in the arc of 13 minutes. It's not the what, it's the how + tons of other evidence about yamato. | ||
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On March 14 2013 01:13 kitaman27 wrote: The following message has been sent by Plexa: Ядерное оружие не являются подделкой. On March 14 2013 01:33 prplhz wrote: doesn't see oooooooooooooooooooooold games but i think plexa was one of the guys setting up this forum like four score and seven years ago guess you'll have to ask the vets but bc is dead, ver is afk and fool is scum Nope, you replied with this on the page right after the announcement (20 minutes) so I don't believe it. You must have been around when the announcement came and it's impossible you thought it was in the daypost. Stop trying. | ||
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Also SS thanks for your reads but you won't convince anyone just with that, you can just guess to see if you were right later but that's something I guess. See ya in postgame. | ||
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On March 15 2013 10:28 prplhz wrote: because then sloosh would be scum too or plexa wouldn't know about the nukes before dawn. You were sure he had to submit his action before dawn though. It would mean: You and SlOosh are scum yes. If plexa wouldn't know about nukes before dawn (which is a fair assumption) then why do you argue that he had to know it before for his role to be used? | ||
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On March 15 2013 10:43 supersoft wrote: You scumslipped so badly with that post, you even sold foolish with that post. and because you know foolishness role. please.... could be, doesn't really matter. Crossfire could very well be just a victim of the two of them. Same applys for vivax. I actually think if Sloosh is scum, crossfire should be town. Well he seems sure that Foolish role works like Foolish says but so do I cause I think the dude's town. | ||
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On March 15 2013 11:02 DarthPunk wrote: Yeah I actually have to agree with VIVAX on it being doubtful that corazon would try and kill himself as scum day 2. Not only is that against every instinct you have as scum. which is generally SURVIVE! SURVIVE! But I am sure his scummer friends would have something to say about him being suicidal. The timing to say this is pretty scummy given you've almost not been pushing anything this day. The timing to say this is scummy if Cora flips town, that is. | ||
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(Funny enough the first two guys I wanted to lynch were scum)/Swag | ||
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I have been pretty much fooled by Cora at the point where I said "1.His latest posts look townie as fuck" and didn't really consider him cause I was dead set on marv being scum. However a little pride I can preserve in this since the first impression was actually right , I posted this about Cora early in the game. /miniswagHe kinda looks to me like noob scum, says things that look acceptable without showing real interest behind what he's saying. He doesn't pursue his own case while saying S & B's is very good but doesn't push for an Oats lynch either. Foolish? Wrong on Cora, so I guess he scum and yamato town? I would like to know why marv let go of prplhz after he said that stuff about Plexa though, he seemed interested into that but was satisfied with the answer: "I read it somewhere" | ||
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Thanks! Anyway, risk cause he has never been brought up by Cora and has been soft-defended by Foolish, also doesn't (try to) contribute much. Foolish cause he was wrong with his reads and that seems to be a scumtell. SlOosh - well, he's guilty of what I am when it comes to reads, but I actually believed what I say as shown by my stubbornness. Also cause I think he's likely scum with prplhz for his slip. I just don't understand why he claimed the nukes were faked from a mafia perspective. Could have kept the origin secret. Meh. But he is associated with prplhz's slip. Prplhz cause of the slip and cause that should do. Also never brought up by Cora as possible scum or anything along that. | ||
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On March 15 2013 13:07 Mocsta wrote: I am also going to guess that the magic marker invention lets the creator (sl0osh) draw up anything he wants and give them to ppl i doubt he can draw "real" things, cos they would be OP ===== & dont forget about Vivax and the magic mushroom This is all WIFOM, but consdiering Kurumi was scared of chagning alignment; I wonder if the magic mushroom forces him to change alignment? Anything you can shed a light on with this Vivax? Magic mushrooms was a jokey way to claim I got a nuke (and not let people know I had a dayshot immediately. Didn't know I wasn't the only one getting it) Nuke explosion=Mushroom and a magic marker had been invented. Anyway I doubt we have a vigi based on what we saw last night so yeah, see you next cycle. | ||
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My whole personality as town is basically anti-sheep except for rare occasions (I like the prospect of being right when everyone else was wrong lol) So I think you mentioning me not getting influenced by supersoft isn't a good reason to claim I'm scum. As for my reads, I am too afraid as scum to end up on the wrong wagon/side usually. They were wrong mostly cause I started from the scum yamato town Foolish premise (I still can't believe yamato could be town tbh) and then made connections from that point on. However don't let me stop you rallying people for my lynch. | ||
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... ... ... Problem? Is now every guy scum who agrees with someone on some points but doesn't follow him in his reads? | ||
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I also don't try consciously to change my meta every game (although many aspects change apparently cause people keep saying they never know if I'm scum or town), so far I never had a lurky town meta, but I had a lurky scum meta, that's a consequence of motivation to play the game. | ||
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On March 15 2013 22:44 marvellosity wrote: Nope, that's not what I said. What I said was a complete refusal to engage at all. I don't mind you disagreeing with his reads. I don't mind you being wrong, Vivax. I expect you to be eternally wrong. What I do mind is you not trying, even one little bit, to understand where supersoft was coming from. Still doesn't make me scum. Every other post not spent figuring out where supersoft came from was a post trying to figure out things on my own. This is an awful reason to argue I'm scum. In fact it still doesn't make me trust you. I fried Corazon early over a mistake, which I wouldn't do as scum, before yamato wreaked havoc over the thread (I still think he should be lynched), how about looking for falsification and not confirmation? | ||
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Just read this if you think I'm scum: On March 11 2013 07:07 Vivax wrote: I don't think I said I wanted to hammer you it's just strange that you comment on someone's case as being very good without reacting to it by either voting for the guy in the case or putting it into relation with your own case. I don't understand why you are so afraid of me I just asked you something that made me curious Why aren't you trying to persuade me about the yamato lynch then? You too Kurumi I only asked you to write in a way that is understandable I don't get why you react like that (also you failed to roleplay didn't I break the Chezinu role or something like that ? )On March 11 2013 07:46 Vivax wrote: Well those are also my questions cause the way he handled S & B's post doesn't make much sense, he dodged my question now he seems to be dodging yours which is essentially the same. He kinda looks to me like noob scum, says things that look acceptable without showing real interest behind what he's saying. He doesn't pursue his own case while saying S & B's is very good but doesn't push for an Oats lynch either. On March 11 2013 08:06 cDgCorazon wrote: I'm not afraid of you, it's just that I don't trust anyone right now, and I could see how scum Vivax would turn that around on me. I'll be coming out with a case a few hours before the deadline. It's too early now and I know that cases presented too early in the day just lose so much traction (My case on WB in NMM 37). Dude, this shitty logic is bad for your standards Marv. Why are you attacking me for having the same view as you? We literally just said the same thing (like the case but don't want to vote for it). You are saying that you are not going to vote because it does not make Oats mafia and I said I'd rather see Yamato lynched than Oats. What is the problem with that? The thing is, Oats' meta is not the main part of the case. BnS laid out many reasons as to why he thinks Oats is scum and I just made a comment that I liked his case and that it had a lot of valid points in it. Let me ask you this Marv: Would you rather I... Say "I agree with SnB" and just vote for Oats? or Say "I think it's a good case but I'm going to continue to scumhunt and push my top scum read" If you prefer #1 it would be such a glaring scumtell. Also I don't understand why you swayed off from lynching him D1 marv and preferred going for Bugs/xfire/me later on. | ||
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On March 16 2013 00:14 iamperfection wrote: The op says 5 out of 5 mafia remain My point too. If Plexa sent that message he can't influence what's written in the OP. Should wait for the update on that one instead. If Cora was town I'm back to my old reads though. | ||
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On March 16 2013 00:23 marvellosity wrote: My point is this. If Corazon flips townie with the nightpost, I look awful immediately. We can agree on this yes? There's no arguing with the hosts, there's no speculation on any abilities, I simply look awful. In this scenario, there's a lot of doubt about what happened, enough in fact that I'm still pretty convinced Corazon was mafia. Why do it in a manner that makes me look less bad than if Corazon had simply flipped townie in the nightpost? Exactly cause it makes you look less bad. And WIFOMWIFOMWIFOM. We don't talk about this derp ability. We talk about reads now. Marv got a townie lynched, Foolishness defended him. Take your pick. | ||
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Dandel marv yamato x y Lynch.These.Guys. | ||
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On March 16 2013 00:12 kitaman27 wrote: GreYMisT's post may be treated as fact. Both hosts lying to you? That's a conspiracy theory austin. | ||
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So cora and Foolishness are making an elaborate ploy where they deflect a scum lynch onto another scum when they had the power to lynch whomever they chose (given that cora had 2 votes and people weren't aware of Foolishness' deflection). And absolute certainty means they planned this out, so they can do a fake message that implicates marv as scum. This part is irrefutable. Foolish telling us how his role works was pro-town. Cora voting himself when he could have gotten others lynched wasn't scum agenda. | ||
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On March 16 2013 00:51 marvellosity wrote: So you have absolutely nothing to say about the fact that almost exactly this same thing happened in Personality 1? No? I'll trust both hosts telling me it's a fact. If they trolled me I don't know, but that's the choice I make. Did the hosts comment on the flip in personality? I don't think so cause it wasn't delayed as far as I grasp. And if the hosts comment on it here it's reason enough to believe it. Else they would just drop the announcement and not comment on it. | ||
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On March 16 2013 01:17 Stutters695 wrote: Vivax does your role have a veteran power built into it? First time I see you since jurassic and you ask me a question about my role that shouldn't concern you at all if you're town. Dafuq | ||
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Now he magically appears in the list. More bogus reasons from marv. No stutters I'm not a veteran but there are possible circumstances under which I'm bulletproof. | ||
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Remember, I didn't use any powers yesterday. This is not a lie. Darth Punk might or might not be scum. | ||
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Makes sense that a townie will fire the nuke much more eagerly and with no fear of consequences, maybe testing reactions first like I did. This reactions can be explained from all points of view for those who fired. On the other hand someone imagining or knowing it's fake will use it to look better if he's scum, or not use it at all. Since it makes much more sense for scum to not believe that the nukes are real. And this is an important point I didn't consider properly until austin brought it up. But not firing it at all? Did risk simply not fall for it? Didn't he want to draw attention or explain himself? Was the "socially accepted" target Foolish maybe town, in truth? Or was he simply a careful guy. Also, SlOosh didn't mention risk at first I think, when he first talked about the nukes he gave out. But well, writing this it shows it actually is just a bunch of WIFOM one can't really get around. It's probably better to not include the nukes in the reasoning. However, I have the feeling marv never really bought the nuke story when I confronted him with it. Mainly cause he kept it cool when I threatened him to shoot him. I feel like he knew what was up. | ||
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Darth, yamato, marv scum Others I'm not sure on at all currently. I looked into Ver's posts from his town games and he's a massive analyser, huge posts and stuff. Here he seemed to be content and careless with his last post before deadline. As for DP, even though he replaced into I feel like his posts don't sound very interested into solving the game. When I replaced in in Themed I spat out who I want to lynch pretty soon (despite not having read the whole thread). I think a few things could happen tonight, mind you, super tin foil mode so it's for my own fun: Some (scum) dude claiming vig and shooting me. Foolishness being roleblocked. 3 kills assuming nothing gets protected, so people think 1 KP is missing and it was Foolish. Next go at trying to lynch Foolish. I'm curious to see if Foolish really gets shot. | ||
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DarthPunk is much more interesting, and I'll keep telling everybody about it. | ||
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On March 16 2013 10:11 Stutters695 wrote: This was part of my reason for wanting to shoot cross. I got the message saying that he wanted to kill cross six minutes after deadline when hours before the lynch people were leaning town on Cross due to how events played out. I was hesitant to pull the trigger on that until Marv said he was suspicious of Cross. I also still can't explain why he would choose me over a strong town player unless he had hopes of getting me to help him shoot a townie that no one would question. We'll see if he switched to foolish and go from there I guess. Well whoever that guy was: I got the impression Crossfire might actually be town from the latest skim of his filter, although the posts Foolish pointed out were quite strong, there are also posts that point to him being town.... Like calling people out for suspecting Kurumi very early when it was all roleplaying. If that guy tried to talk you into shooting me, then it's not good either. I wouldn't actually have minded cause I'm either arguing against a concrete wall or too bad to stay around if my reads are wrong so I told you you could just shoot me if you want (except for occasions where my role could prevent that). Anyway if I could pick someone to shoot it would be yamato, cause I think he's scum. But frankly the informative aspect is very attractive not gonna lie. Killing him would absolve a lot or damn a lot. | ||
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But for the day, ill be watching. | ||
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Didn't really pay enough attention to ur filter until now but that's what i got from skimming. | ||
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Enough said. Me rambling more doesn't stimulate brain growth. This town is depressing.at least dandel is dead so that's something (that marv wants to use to argue he's town) | ||
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Currently just scum in the thread so ignore the case against stutters. He did something stupid but isnt scum unlike these other guys. | ||
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Marv said we should lynch him at lylo, so that's what we do now. Then yamato. | ||
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I really hope you are not town oats, bud sadly i currently think you might be. Marv announced he would protect dandel. Also scum knew dandel was prltecting marv but didn't doublestack. They shot him for jubjubs like u to go around and argue marv is town. | ||
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It's a realistic scenario mafia goes all-in on this one, they just need a mislynch to win the game. Corazon was town and even if you don't think so you should stick to worst-case scenario to make your decisions in. With this, yamato looks somewhat better. I'd have expected him to hard-defend marv all the way as scum since it would have been pretty easy. I still don't believe he's town however simply for his play but if he's bussing his teammate I'm fine with it, he's going to find some reason to change his mind anyway in case town goes the wrong road again. We had 2 fake roleclaims from marv with this (Cop and medic) Scum preferred to kill village idiot dandel instead of simply doublestacking marv? Take your pick. Marv said we lynch him at lylo? We lynch him at lylo. By his own words. If he doesn't stick to them it's just another lie. Prplhz is likely marv's scumbuddy cause marv poked at his scumslip (in a not very damning way) and then dropped going after it when prplhz claimed to have read it somewhere. somefuckingwhere. Day2 marv refused to comment on both this and his acrofales read and still doesn't pay attention to acrofales. So I think these guys are connected by alignment. It's not my only point but we should go into that later. Stutters has to claim where his sleeper cell came from. Who contacted him, cause that guy (the "mason") is likely scum, might also just be bad but have to evaluate first. However contacting stutters shows it was some kind of guy who tried to talk the weak of spirit into doing bad things. Reveal the snake. | ||
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Bad news: Besides marv most of my reads were wrong (except acrofales who I suspected since D2). Still don't know what's up with risk he should probably be lynched last, if we even get that far. | ||
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You won the game D3 in themed, too. Looks like you have a tendency to roll scum in games which tend to last shortly = easy. | ||
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On March 18 2013 04:00 kitaman27 wrote: Day 3 Marvellosity (5): yamato77. vivax, slOosh, austinmcc, DarthPunk ← these guys should be treated as confirmed town DarthPunk (2): marvellosity, risk.nuke Crossfire99 (1): Acrofales Vivax (2): HiroPro, Mocsta 8 hours remain in the cycle | ||
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You may hide in the bushes of target player and learn the identies of any player that visits them at night. 2 This is Foolishness' ability - watcher. If we had a watcher and a DT that rolechecks too, the game would be seriously imbalanced. Why don't you ask Hiro how my role works? He should know, right? | ||
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Marv achieved roughly 20.8 % of all posts while actively disrupting those with good reads. That's cause of this gullible bunch of fanboys. He is lucky to roll scum in the right games which end in scum victory after 2 mislynches. SlOosh, austin, Foolish, BC, Corazon and to some extent SS, these were actually good townies this game. Yamato not sure if scum or just bussing for fun. | ||
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On March 12 2013 05:55 Vivax wrote: Yeah this looks like the prplhz from LIX. Would probably lynch On March 12 2013 07:29 Vivax wrote: So yeah if you want to lynch Bugs go ahead don't let me stop you but I prefer to vote for prplhz. Ver might be a vig shot but prplhz is a better one he's actively useless and looks like the LIX prplhz. He also said Bugs "What you shot me over other assholes in the thread" so he knows he's playing like an asshole but doesn't want to change that, shoot him. Cool story bro, you should learn how to play scum when there's not marv winning the easy game for you. | ||
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Cause as I pointed out, even if we lynch correctly we lose the game without politicians or vigs hitting red. | ||
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On March 18 2013 06:38 Acrofales wrote: Actually Vivax must be telling some truth, because Hiro said it's politician. So one of them is town and they both say the same thing. But I'm not politician (so Hiro is fakeclaiming, duh). I have two abilities of which one influences votes, but not like Cora's did. | ||
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Now that it's out, scum has to opt for my mislynch basically cause I can pull off a vote from every other mislynch. It was a pleasure to play at ur side SlOosh ;_; | ||
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Acrofales was really scummy since D2 when he started to ask his nitpicky questions. Prplhz suspicious since D1 but got caught too much into the D2 stuff until I found the slip. Hiro flew under the radar. I found him suspicious initially but quickly decided to not pay attention to him and had him as town on autopilot until now. The others I'm not sure on. Is it risk, Crossfire, Oats, Mocsta, DP, yamato? I don't know about these guys cause they all played really badly and it's hard to tell if bad or scum, but out of the gut I would say Oats for how he defended marv so hard at the start of the day. I also mentioned this early in the day (or at the end of the night) On March 16 2013 11:47 Vivax wrote: Oats you went scum-town-scum on foolish and scum-town-scum-town on me or something like that. Didn't really pay enough attention to ur filter until now but that's what i got from skimming. So well, among these it will be hard to find the remaining scum, the other ones are rather obvious. | ||
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Bad, so so so so bad you were the first ones to lynch Foolishness in all of mafia history. I'm blunt about this. This town has to be nominated for worst town 2013, worst lynch, worst shot. | ||
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Most of you are probably guys who like to crawl up marv's butt that's natural, he plays to reach that objective but I remind you that this guy rolls scum too and that his reads are awful as scum. Suspecting me cause of responding to a question with a townread is part of that. If anything it can't be explained how marv and Hiro were so sure that the announcement made Kurumi confirmed town. They couldn't know where it came from, but they could know that Kurumi was indeed town. | ||
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+ Show Spoiler + Acrofales saying marv is D3 policy lynch (in nested quotes), now is D3: On March 12 2013 23:56 Vivax wrote: Well in Hero I said lynch him at lylo (actually asked for it before even) but no one did. It's cool that you think too he should be policy lynched but try to convince town first cause people on this forum listen more to the name than to the argument as shown by Sandro smurfing as JungleJorge in LX. Acrofales: Marv is the D3 policy lynch, so I am not too worried about him. If scum hasn't killed him off by D3, we lynch him. | ||
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On March 13 2013 04:07 Vivax wrote: Marv can you expand on this stuff to cast away some doubts I have before fucking off. Are you a parity cop that has to announce itself and you checked Ver and Foolish or what? I don't understand what's going on here. Marv fakeclaiming cop. Marv not protecting Dandel after claiming he would. Marv not roleclaiming at lylo. | ||
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Cause stutters is definitely not scum for that, he's just torn like he said, and I'm currently going tryhard mode to finally convince you guys I'm town. | ||
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I suggest you start looking from this page towards the D1 lynch assuming crossfire, marv and Oats are scum and tell me what you see: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=400204¤tpage=70 | ||
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On March 18 2013 08:06 Acrofales wrote: I don't know what scum did. They may have shot Marv and it got DI killed. Or they roleblocked marv and shot DI. But it means that if Marv was alive on D2, he was guaranteed to be alive on D3. So yeah, policy lynch moved up a day due to obvious protective roles being obviously protecting Marv. Lol roleblock marv and shoot DI the village idiot who becomes scum bodyguard cause he's a fanboy. Why not roleblock DI and kill marv?Or doublestack marv and instead waste a shot on a guy like DI? + Show Spoiler + On March 14 2013 23:46 Vivax wrote: Acro is more interesting but you don't talk about Acrofales at all (except lately you mention him casually as strange) Acrofales de-facto-proof that he's pushing scum agenda: Says Iamp is partially suspicious for voting Bugs. Acrofales voted Bugs with this: + Show Spoiler + On March 12 2013 07:27 Acrofales wrote: Fine. My flight's boarding and browsing your filter it is looking like duel D1. I like that last post showing how differently bugs plays as town from his useless defeatist attitude this game, and my vote on Ver is going nowhere. I'll get back to that tomorrow. When I get home I hope I can make a better reasoned out vote, but for now: BAAAAAAA BAAAAAAAA ##vote wherebugsgo We kill Ver or Cora tomorrow he says. Then the D2 action with checks and nukes arises, he says he still thinks Ver is more likely scum: + Show Spoiler + On March 13 2013 22:13 Acrofales wrote: Foolishness was null, leaning scum yesterday and still is. The nuke is currently meaningless, as there are too many explanations for it. Until Kita or Greymist launch the nuke, I withhold reservation. Trolling about nuking Yamato fits with his playstyle this game, which is STILL better than Ver's. Even without your parity check, it makes sense for there to be a scum between the two giants in the game. If we disregard framers, that means there is 1 scum and 1 town between them. I still think Ver is the more likely scum, unless someone can point me to Foolishness being a massive troll a scum. He states : If nuke real we kill Foolishness, if not, we kill him tomorrow: + Show Spoiler + On March 14 2013 02:59 Acrofales wrote: /facepalm Anyway, I don't know why we are speculating about the nuke being real. If it is, we kill Foolishness. If it isn't, we kill Foolishness tomorrow. In the meantime, we should kill someone else. SS: for a confirmed townie who is hanging around to give us guidance, you are not guiding much. Do you agree with me that Cora is scum? If not, who should we kill today? Still votes for Foolish when nukes are fake with no reasoning given, showing his previous reasons are complete bogus. | ||
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On March 12 2013 11:10 kitaman27 wrote: Day One Update cDgCorazon (1): VisceraEyes (0): Mocsta (0): iamperfection (0): Acrofales (0): Ver (0): Hiropro (0): Oatsmaster (1): Yamato77 (6): cDgCorazon, VisceraEyes, slOosh, Vivax, Foolishness, BloodyC0bbler Promethelax (0): Stutters965 (0): Crossfire99 (7): austinmcc (0): wherebugsgo (8): VisceraEyes, Promethelax, Oatsmaster, Mocsta, Crossfire99, austinmcc, Vivax (0): Supersoft (1): yamato77 SlOosh (2): HiroPro, prplhz (1): 50 minutes remain. Please let me know if you notice a mistake Remember the marv scumread on Crossfire end of N2, in his big read post? And how I called him out for it when Foolish was unlynchable? And how both Foolish and marv agreed that Crossfire was scum? But marv still didn't want to lynch crossfire cause it would have proven Foolish's innocence, and actually I'm quite sure crossfire is scum now. If marv lynched crossfire and he would have flipped town, he would still have had an argument against Foolish, but since crossfire would have flipped red, the Foolish lynch would have been impossible to achieve from then on. So yeah, out of the list of people I were unsure of in my scumread post I'd pick crossfire now as remaining scum. Nuke please lynch marv :| | ||
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On March 18 2013 08:51 prplhz wrote: marv hiro/vivax go Silence, don't talk up to your leader, you little barking dog. | ||
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On March 18 2013 09:50 HiroPro wrote: Im here. I dont know exactly how vivaxs role works. I only get a rolename. Kita wouldnt tell me exactly how he determines the name but its based on whatever powers the person has. I ched s&b because i didnt have a good read on him and the way that he went after bugs looked fake to me. I was going to check corazon at first but then i startrd thinking risk was palmar after he fid the fistpoynd thing and i couldnt come up with a persomality for corazon. Unless you think im mafia you need to voye gor vivax right now. Also look at what he is doing right now. If he was town he would be voting for me but instead hes scared that hel get lynched if he tries to 1-1 eith me. Well I'm simply Toad and have no other rolename, it just tells me my two abilities. You dun' goofed. I can only put votes from a player to myself once per cycle, and I have a night ability that I didn't use yet, it's one-time and is related to my crumbs in the night phases, but I always decided not to use it cause it's more valuable at this stage, I thought. | ||
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On March 18 2013 09:31 Stutters695 wrote: Marv: Because you've been all over the fucking place and between you and Vivax I think you're more likely. Why are you all pushing DP over the sure lynch I'm Cross? You claimed to have voted Cross after DP in your filter yet the vote is MIA from the voting thread. What's going on? Stutters notice how marv had Crossfire as scum before D2. When he shot the nuke against Foolish marv said he was town for it. And now that Foolish flipped town marv seems to completely disregard crossfire, that tells you how serious he was about that read. I still think we should lynch others before crossfire (Hiro and Acrofales) cause every other choice is more coinflippy. | ||
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Also your teammates would probably suck without your help so we have to get rid of you first. Plus everything I already mentioned in my filter. And cause you don't deserve a perfect victory without your head rolling first. ![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/d4n6UoT.jpg) | ||
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On March 15 2013 01:03 marvellosity wrote: I'll make it quite clear now. If I am alive at LYLO, then lynch me. Quote this post against me later. I plan to have all the mafia dead before LYLO. | ||
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look at the nightposts. All the names are simply the name of the personality, there is no rolename like "Politician", like Hiro claims. Super bad fakeclaim bro. On March 13 2013 12:37 kitaman27 wrote: Day Two Sandroba is protecting syllogism. A Magic Marker has been invented VisceraEyes as prplhz has been killed. BloodyC0bbler as RebirthOfLeGenD has been killed. supersoft as syllogism has been killed. You have 47.5 hours to decide a lynch. Deadline is 03:00 GMT (+00:00) | ||
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Saying I'm a politician in a game where the roles are personalities lol. Now kill marv finally. | ||
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Especially austin I had as town he reminded me a lot of his town self in LIX where I actually thought he could be scum for his longish posts initially. He has this talent to write tons of stuff about something which could be summarized in one sentence. And Mocsta obviously I had put him into the town category during N1 and not really considered him anymore though. Should really have noticed that, but too busy with marv. | ||
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