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Well what I meant with that is that the player has to be the opposite for you to not be discovered telling fake checks.
If you say "These two have different alignment" and people lynch them and see they both were town then you're in trouble.
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You asked for two check targets while claiming standard cop whether standard cop or parity cop it doesn't seem to matter so I don't see why parity cop should be better.
You get both alignments in either case but parity cop can't actually be sure while standard cop can be (both can be affected by framers afaik) so how does this apply? Parity cop > standard cop wat?
On March 12 2013 11:26 marvellosity wrote:Anyway, I am compelled to do this during the day. I was gonna make it super-awesome but I cba. I'm blates a cop and I want to investigate Foolish and Ver n stuff. Show nested quote +On March 12 2013 11:44 marvellosity wrote:
Apparently I have to say that I'm a parity cop with the aforementioned targets. Sadly this leaves me no wiggle room and is REALLY FUCKING DULL. YES I AM TALKING TO YOU. There we go. Move along, nothing to see here.
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What is this blue role talking taboo, scum wouldn't be learning anything new that marv didn't (have to) mention already.
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On March 13 2013 06:08 VisceraEyes wrote:
Acro you asked me about my meta read on Ver. Do you have further comment other than "we disagree"?
No. Your meta read gives a pretty good reason why he would definitely read his role PM. After that we do indeed just disagree. I don't see any reason to post like that as town, except as a trap. If it was a trap, it was a terrible one and he hasn't followed up on it.
The "hours to come" better bring something fucking fabulous for me to stop seeing him as scum.
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Marv, if you're a parity cop who had to claim the targets beforehand, then it is a completely useless role if you even think there might be a small chance of scum having a framer.
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On March 13 2013 06:28 Acrofales wrote:
Marv, if you're a parity cop who had to claim the targets beforehand, then it is a completely useless role if you even think there might be a small chance of scum having a framer.
I'm well aware of this. But what's a boy to do?
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On March 13 2013 02:49 Acrofales wrote:Show nested quote +On March 13 2013 01:55 strongandbig wrote:On March 13 2013 01:52 Acrofales wrote:
Oh, and one other thing. What "balance" reason can anybody come up with for giving a scum a modconfirmed DT check? If the DT check was also Yamato, how the fuck does that work as scum? And if he got it, why in god's name would he EVER use it? foolishness or radfield role is town powers but scum aligned, they're well known for being amazing as town but both terrible as scum and hating to play scum. like how wbg role was town powers but scum aligned the day vig would have been the hidden "beneficial" side of the power, he wouldn't have been told about it until after the public dt check happened. I thought you were pretty levelheaded and townie at the time, but this post is not making sense to me. WBG's role was survivor, not scum aligned. His powers were meh. Unless you are talking about Kurumi, in which case he was town aligned, not scum aligned at all. The impression I got from Yamato is that he knew all along what his power would do. Now, why would scum get a DT check? It makes no sense. Even if it is combined with a dayvig. Either Yamato is lying about how his power works, or he is town. The role makes NO sense for scum.
Still catching up on thread but you just posted the most wtf comment ever. I have bolded it for ease.
Kurumi's role was obviously one that benefited mafia more than town. IE we already have proof that roles do not have to make sense for their alignment. Roles make sense to the personality. If they RNG'd the personalities/roles then the alignments then anyone could end up up with an alignment that doesnt mesh well with their role.
I find scrubblies who make bad reasons on why someone can't be mafia using faulty and terrible logic likely to be mafia defending a scumbuddy
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Also the case on me by prpl makes me laugh. Try harder mr try hard.
Austin also super baddy. Why would bc change his posting style in a game with altered personalities. Likely because hes playing his personality. Themed games dont equal normal. Nor does the fact I have less time now to actively play.
However good try captain try hard 2.
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On March 13 2013 06:33 BloodyC0bbler wrote:Show nested quote +On March 13 2013 02:49 Acrofales wrote:On March 13 2013 01:55 strongandbig wrote:On March 13 2013 01:52 Acrofales wrote:
Oh, and one other thing. What "balance" reason can anybody come up with for giving a scum a modconfirmed DT check? If the DT check was also Yamato, how the fuck does that work as scum? And if he got it, why in god's name would he EVER use it? foolishness or radfield role is town powers but scum aligned, they're well known for being amazing as town but both terrible as scum and hating to play scum. like how wbg role was town powers but scum aligned the day vig would have been the hidden "beneficial" side of the power, he wouldn't have been told about it until after the public dt check happened. I thought you were pretty levelheaded and townie at the time, but this post is not making sense to me. WBG's role was survivor, not scum aligned. His powers were meh. Unless you are talking about Kurumi, in which case he was town aligned, not scum aligned at all. The impression I got from Yamato is that he knew all along what his power would do. Now, why would scum get a DT check? It makes no sense. Even if it is combined with a dayvig. Either Yamato is lying about how his power works, or he is town. The role makes NO sense for scum. Still catching up on thread but you just posted the most wtf comment ever. I have bolded it for ease. Kurumi's role was obviously one that benefited mafia more than town. IE we already have proof that roles do not have to make sense for their alignment. Roles make sense to the personality. If they RNG'd the personalities/roles then the alignments then anyone could end up up with an alignment that doesnt mesh well with their role.
yeah i said the same thing but he ignored me
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On March 13 2013 06:44 BloodyC0bbler wrote:
Also the case on me by prpl makes me laugh. Try harder mr try hard.
Austin also super baddy. Why would bc change his posting style in a game with altered personalities. Likely because hes playing his personality. Themed games dont equal normal. Nor does the fact I have less time now to actively play.
However good try captain try hard 2.
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Don't poke people for trying BC.
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I'm rereading the deadline stuff, just as general announcement I'd probably also lynch crossfire tomorrow.
(Although him thinking it was already deadline was kinda weird)
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On March 13 2013 06:46 VisceraEyes wrote:Show nested quote +On March 13 2013 06:44 BloodyC0bbler wrote:
Also the case on me by prpl makes me laugh. Try harder mr try hard.
Austin also super baddy. Why would bc change his posting style in a game with altered personalities. Likely because hes playing his personality. Themed games dont equal normal. Nor does the fact I have less time now to actively play.
However good try captain try hard 2. -.- Don't poke people for trying BC.
Its prpl and austin. Both are experienced enough to know better. Also, marv has outright lied about how he garners reads on me. As he was unsure of my alignment in LX and was basing my alignment on if I got shot n1 or not. Given his tried and true method is not neccesarily in play this game given that there are so many big names to shoot him outright saying I have a tell for him d1 is an outright lie.
Now the only reason I mention it is he made a huge deal of foolishness lying yet does it himself. Hypocritical actions make BC sad.
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On March 13 2013 06:33 BloodyC0bbler wrote:Show nested quote +On March 13 2013 02:49 Acrofales wrote:On March 13 2013 01:55 strongandbig wrote:On March 13 2013 01:52 Acrofales wrote:
Oh, and one other thing. What "balance" reason can anybody come up with for giving a scum a modconfirmed DT check? If the DT check was also Yamato, how the fuck does that work as scum? And if he got it, why in god's name would he EVER use it? foolishness or radfield role is town powers but scum aligned, they're well known for being amazing as town but both terrible as scum and hating to play scum. like how wbg role was town powers but scum aligned the day vig would have been the hidden "beneficial" side of the power, he wouldn't have been told about it until after the public dt check happened. I thought you were pretty levelheaded and townie at the time, but this post is not making sense to me. WBG's role was survivor, not scum aligned. His powers were meh. Unless you are talking about Kurumi, in which case he was town aligned, not scum aligned at all. The impression I got from Yamato is that he knew all along what his power would do. Now, why would scum get a DT check? It makes no sense. Even if it is combined with a dayvig. Either Yamato is lying about how his power works, or he is town. The role makes NO sense for scum. Still catching up on thread but you just posted the most wtf comment ever. I have bolded it for ease. Kurumi's role was obviously one that benefited mafia more than town. IE we already have proof that roles do not have to make sense for their alignment. Roles make sense to the personality. If they RNG'd the personalities/roles then the alignments then anyone could end up up with an alignment that doesnt mesh well with their role. I find scrubblies who make bad reasons on why someone can't be mafia using faulty and terrible logic likely to be mafia defending a scumbuddy
Kurumi's role is more powerful for scum than for town, but it is not USELESS for scum. Modconfirming a DT check is not just useless for scum, it is worse than useless. There is literally NO reason to use a modconfirming DT check barring extremely weird situations like Drazerk in HRM (where townies knew Drazerk had the role, because we gave it to him, and were masoned with him. He HAD to use it... and additionally there were 2 scum teams).
If you think the role works the way Yamato described, as I do, then it is basically an anonymous dayvig. In that case, Yamato's use of it makes no sense as town.
So either scum got, and used a DT check. Or scum announced the anonymous dayvig and used it on a target that was shitting up the thread instead of some powerful town leader.
OR, you go with Ockham's Razor and realize that Yamato is town.
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If the roles are RNG'd and Yamato is scum, and was given a dayvig that he had to announce, ONLY then does Yamato's role make sense. But Marv has already pointed out why Yamato's behaviour doesn't look like scum planning to use a dayvig on a townie.
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Can you point out where he "does it himself"? Because the Foolishness thing I can totally see as a complete outright lie.
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On March 13 2013 06:51 Acrofales wrote:Show nested quote +On March 13 2013 06:33 BloodyC0bbler wrote:On March 13 2013 02:49 Acrofales wrote:On March 13 2013 01:55 strongandbig wrote:On March 13 2013 01:52 Acrofales wrote:
Oh, and one other thing. What "balance" reason can anybody come up with for giving a scum a modconfirmed DT check? If the DT check was also Yamato, how the fuck does that work as scum? And if he got it, why in god's name would he EVER use it? foolishness or radfield role is town powers but scum aligned, they're well known for being amazing as town but both terrible as scum and hating to play scum. like how wbg role was town powers but scum aligned the day vig would have been the hidden "beneficial" side of the power, he wouldn't have been told about it until after the public dt check happened. I thought you were pretty levelheaded and townie at the time, but this post is not making sense to me. WBG's role was survivor, not scum aligned. His powers were meh. Unless you are talking about Kurumi, in which case he was town aligned, not scum aligned at all. The impression I got from Yamato is that he knew all along what his power would do. Now, why would scum get a DT check? It makes no sense. Even if it is combined with a dayvig. Either Yamato is lying about how his power works, or he is town. The role makes NO sense for scum. Still catching up on thread but you just posted the most wtf comment ever. I have bolded it for ease. Kurumi's role was obviously one that benefited mafia more than town. IE we already have proof that roles do not have to make sense for their alignment. Roles make sense to the personality. If they RNG'd the personalities/roles then the alignments then anyone could end up up with an alignment that doesnt mesh well with their role. I find scrubblies who make bad reasons on why someone can't be mafia using faulty and terrible logic likely to be mafia defending a scumbuddy Kurumi's role is more powerful for scum than for town, but it is not USELESS for scum. Modconfirming a DT check is not just useless for scum, it is worse than useless. There is literally NO reason to use a modconfirming DT check barring extremely weird situations like Drazerk in HRM (where townies knew Drazerk had the role, because we gave it to him, and were masoned with him. He HAD to use it... and additionally there were 2 scum teams). If you think the role works the way Yamato described, as I do, then it is basically an anonymous dayvig. In that case, Yamato's use of it makes no sense as town. So either scum got, and used a DT check. Or scum announced the anonymous dayvig and used it on a target that was shitting up the thread instead of some powerful town leader. OR, you go with Ockham's Razor and realize that Yamato is town.
Why? Modconfirm dt check as scum is legit straight up powerful and id take it in a heartbeat. Why? Because you guys will argue mechanic based shit like you are and voila I must be a confirmed town dt. Oh shit? I have to shoot the guy I modconfirm? Doesn't matter. Target someone in thread who shits thread up and get auto loved for being confirmed dt/vig for town.
No offense but as scum i'd love a role that autoconfirms me as town without needing to be a gf. Just saying.
Now maybe I think at a higher level of play than you do, but I think this is a standard logical step for basically anyone. There are reasons I am sure you can argue yamato is town without using his role. Role does not fucking equal alignment. I have been saying this for fucking years.
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On March 13 2013 06:51 Acrofales wrote:Show nested quote +On March 13 2013 06:33 BloodyC0bbler wrote:On March 13 2013 02:49 Acrofales wrote:On March 13 2013 01:55 strongandbig wrote:On March 13 2013 01:52 Acrofales wrote:
Oh, and one other thing. What "balance" reason can anybody come up with for giving a scum a modconfirmed DT check? If the DT check was also Yamato, how the fuck does that work as scum? And if he got it, why in god's name would he EVER use it? foolishness or radfield role is town powers but scum aligned, they're well known for being amazing as town but both terrible as scum and hating to play scum. like how wbg role was town powers but scum aligned the day vig would have been the hidden "beneficial" side of the power, he wouldn't have been told about it until after the public dt check happened. I thought you were pretty levelheaded and townie at the time, but this post is not making sense to me. WBG's role was survivor, not scum aligned. His powers were meh. Unless you are talking about Kurumi, in which case he was town aligned, not scum aligned at all. The impression I got from Yamato is that he knew all along what his power would do. Now, why would scum get a DT check? It makes no sense. Even if it is combined with a dayvig. Either Yamato is lying about how his power works, or he is town. The role makes NO sense for scum. Still catching up on thread but you just posted the most wtf comment ever. I have bolded it for ease. Kurumi's role was obviously one that benefited mafia more than town. IE we already have proof that roles do not have to make sense for their alignment. Roles make sense to the personality. If they RNG'd the personalities/roles then the alignments then anyone could end up up with an alignment that doesnt mesh well with their role. I find scrubblies who make bad reasons on why someone can't be mafia using faulty and terrible logic likely to be mafia defending a scumbuddy Kurumi's role is more powerful for scum than for town, but it is not USELESS for scum. Modconfirming a DT check is not just useless for scum, it is worse than useless. There is literally NO reason to use a modconfirming DT check barring extremely weird situations like Drazerk in HRM (where townies knew Drazerk had the role, because we gave it to him, and were masoned with him. He HAD to use it... and additionally there were 2 scum teams).
If you think the role works the way Yamato described, as I do, then it is basically an anonymous dayvig. In that case, Yamato's use of it makes no sense as town.So either scum got, and used a DT check. Or scum announced the anonymous dayvig and used it on a target that was shitting up the thread instead of some powerful town leader. OR, you go with Ockham's Razor and realize that Yamato is town.
Acro read this post for god's sake.
On March 11 2013 16:49 yamato77 wrote:
First of all, my role is all inclusive. I didn't choose to reveal his alignment and then shoot him, it happens as a consequence of the person being town. So as soon as I PM'd his name as the alignment check, his fate was sealed and there was nothing I could do about it.
Why did I do it, knowing this risk? Firstly, I feel like the people roleplaying heavily, aside from perhaps Prom, deserve a good hard look. None of them had been saying much up to that point and I felt like it was a huge distraction. Kurumi was the worst in this group by a long shot, so losing him even if he was town was not a huge loss. More importantly, it kept town from focusing on him the entire rest of the day with his attention whore mentality and martyring.
Basically, I used my alignment check much like a vigi shot. Shoot into the worst of the unreadables and hope you hit red. Unfortunately, I didn't, but it was still objectively a decent move because what it did was get attention away from Kurumi and mainly on to me, where scum have a more difficult time taking a stance due to the more unsure thread sentiment regarding myself at the moment. I can now proceed to completely remove all doubt from the situation and look at who attacked me and why to make inferences about their alignment.
The "Pro gf snipe" comment was a joke on my role. Super soft should remember being the target of MZ as a dayvig after Super had just shot a mafia player. MZ made a comment just like that one as he decided to shoot super, who was town. My role, thus, only shoots people that are town. If they were mafia, it works like a detective chevk., where I receive a PM detailing their alignment. I will make it clear, after the alignment check popped up into the thread, I had zero control over the death of Kurumi. The comment was a joke. The shot was predetermined. I sure hope kita and Grey got a good laugh out of it.
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On March 13 2013 06:56 BloodyC0bbler wrote:Show nested quote +On March 13 2013 06:51 Acrofales wrote:On March 13 2013 06:33 BloodyC0bbler wrote:On March 13 2013 02:49 Acrofales wrote:On March 13 2013 01:55 strongandbig wrote:On March 13 2013 01:52 Acrofales wrote:
Oh, and one other thing. What "balance" reason can anybody come up with for giving a scum a modconfirmed DT check? If the DT check was also Yamato, how the fuck does that work as scum? And if he got it, why in god's name would he EVER use it? foolishness or radfield role is town powers but scum aligned, they're well known for being amazing as town but both terrible as scum and hating to play scum. like how wbg role was town powers but scum aligned the day vig would have been the hidden "beneficial" side of the power, he wouldn't have been told about it until after the public dt check happened. I thought you were pretty levelheaded and townie at the time, but this post is not making sense to me. WBG's role was survivor, not scum aligned. His powers were meh. Unless you are talking about Kurumi, in which case he was town aligned, not scum aligned at all. The impression I got from Yamato is that he knew all along what his power would do. Now, why would scum get a DT check? It makes no sense. Even if it is combined with a dayvig. Either Yamato is lying about how his power works, or he is town. The role makes NO sense for scum. Still catching up on thread but you just posted the most wtf comment ever. I have bolded it for ease. Kurumi's role was obviously one that benefited mafia more than town. IE we already have proof that roles do not have to make sense for their alignment. Roles make sense to the personality. If they RNG'd the personalities/roles then the alignments then anyone could end up up with an alignment that doesnt mesh well with their role. I find scrubblies who make bad reasons on why someone can't be mafia using faulty and terrible logic likely to be mafia defending a scumbuddy Kurumi's role is more powerful for scum than for town, but it is not USELESS for scum. Modconfirming a DT check is not just useless for scum, it is worse than useless. There is literally NO reason to use a modconfirming DT check barring extremely weird situations like Drazerk in HRM (where townies knew Drazerk had the role, because we gave it to him, and were masoned with him. He HAD to use it... and additionally there were 2 scum teams). If you think the role works the way Yamato described, as I do, then it is basically an anonymous dayvig. In that case, Yamato's use of it makes no sense as town. So either scum got, and used a DT check. Or scum announced the anonymous dayvig and used it on a target that was shitting up the thread instead of some powerful town leader. OR, you go with Ockham's Razor and realize that Yamato is town. Why? Modconfirm dt check as scum is legit straight up powerful and id take it in a heartbeat. Why? Because you guys will argue mechanic based shit like you are and voila I must be a confirmed town dt. Oh shit? I have to shoot the guy I modconfirm? Doesn't matter. Target someone in thread who shits thread up and get auto loved for being confirmed dt/vig for town. No offense but as scum i'd love a role that autoconfirms me as town without needing to be a gf. Just saying. Now maybe I think at a higher level of play than you do, but I think this is a standard logical step for basically anyone. There are reasons I am sure you can argue yamato is town without using his role. Role does not fucking equal alignment. I have been saying this for fucking years.
yeah i said the same thing but he ignored me
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On March 13 2013 06:58 Vivax wrote:Show nested quote +On March 13 2013 06:51 Acrofales wrote:On March 13 2013 06:33 BloodyC0bbler wrote:On March 13 2013 02:49 Acrofales wrote:On March 13 2013 01:55 strongandbig wrote:On March 13 2013 01:52 Acrofales wrote:
Oh, and one other thing. What "balance" reason can anybody come up with for giving a scum a modconfirmed DT check? If the DT check was also Yamato, how the fuck does that work as scum? And if he got it, why in god's name would he EVER use it? foolishness or radfield role is town powers but scum aligned, they're well known for being amazing as town but both terrible as scum and hating to play scum. like how wbg role was town powers but scum aligned the day vig would have been the hidden "beneficial" side of the power, he wouldn't have been told about it until after the public dt check happened. I thought you were pretty levelheaded and townie at the time, but this post is not making sense to me. WBG's role was survivor, not scum aligned. His powers were meh. Unless you are talking about Kurumi, in which case he was town aligned, not scum aligned at all. The impression I got from Yamato is that he knew all along what his power would do. Now, why would scum get a DT check? It makes no sense. Even if it is combined with a dayvig. Either Yamato is lying about how his power works, or he is town. The role makes NO sense for scum. Still catching up on thread but you just posted the most wtf comment ever. I have bolded it for ease. Kurumi's role was obviously one that benefited mafia more than town. IE we already have proof that roles do not have to make sense for their alignment. Roles make sense to the personality. If they RNG'd the personalities/roles then the alignments then anyone could end up up with an alignment that doesnt mesh well with their role. I find scrubblies who make bad reasons on why someone can't be mafia using faulty and terrible logic likely to be mafia defending a scumbuddy Kurumi's role is more powerful for scum than for town, but it is not USELESS for scum. Modconfirming a DT check is not just useless for scum, it is worse than useless. There is literally NO reason to use a modconfirming DT check barring extremely weird situations like Drazerk in HRM (where townies knew Drazerk had the role, because we gave it to him, and were masoned with him. He HAD to use it... and additionally there were 2 scum teams).
If you think the role works the way Yamato described, as I do, then it is basically an anonymous dayvig. In that case, Yamato's use of it makes no sense as town.So either scum got, and used a DT check. Or scum announced the anonymous dayvig and used it on a target that was shitting up the thread instead of some powerful town leader. OR, you go with Ockham's Razor and realize that Yamato is town. Acro read this post for god's sake. Show nested quote +On March 11 2013 16:49 yamato77 wrote:
First of all, my role is all inclusive. I didn't choose to reveal his alignment and then shoot him, it happens as a consequence of the person being town. So as soon as I PM'd his name as the alignment check, his fate was sealed and there was nothing I could do about it.
Why did I do it, knowing this risk? Firstly, I feel like the people roleplaying heavily, aside from perhaps Prom, deserve a good hard look. None of them had been saying much up to that point and I felt like it was a huge distraction. Kurumi was the worst in this group by a long shot, so losing him even if he was town was not a huge loss. More importantly, it kept town from focusing on him the entire rest of the day with his attention whore mentality and martyring.
Basically, I used my alignment check much like a vigi shot. Shoot into the worst of the unreadables and hope you hit red. Unfortunately, I didn't, but it was still objectively a decent move because what it did was get attention away from Kurumi and mainly on to me, where scum have a more difficult time taking a stance due to the more unsure thread sentiment regarding myself at the moment. I can now proceed to completely remove all doubt from the situation and look at who attacked me and why to make inferences about their alignment.
The "Pro gf snipe" comment was a joke on my role. Super soft should remember being the target of MZ as a dayvig after Super had just shot a mafia player. MZ made a comment just like that one as he decided to shoot super, who was town. My role, thus, only shoots people that are town. If they were mafia, it works like a detective chevk., where I receive a PM detailing their alignment. I will make it clear, after the alignment check popped up into the thread, I had zero control over the death of Kurumi. The comment was a joke. The shot was predetermined. I sure hope kita and Grey got a good laugh out of it.
you are also an idiot
if yamato was scum
he would be lying about his role
herpa derpa duh.
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BC you're missing the point. Why wouldn't he use it on a town-aligned you? Or a town-aligned Ver? Or a town-aligned Foolish? Or a town-aligned marv? The point is he used it in a way that helped town - removing someone shitting up the thread - instead of a way that irrevocably harms town - killing a strong player with potential to lead town.
No one is arguing that his role makes him town - Acro is saying that his USE of the role makes him town. That's all we can ever go on.
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On March 13 2013 06:58 strongandbig wrote:Show nested quote +On March 13 2013 06:56 BloodyC0bbler wrote:On March 13 2013 06:51 Acrofales wrote:On March 13 2013 06:33 BloodyC0bbler wrote:On March 13 2013 02:49 Acrofales wrote:On March 13 2013 01:55 strongandbig wrote:On March 13 2013 01:52 Acrofales wrote:
Oh, and one other thing. What "balance" reason can anybody come up with for giving a scum a modconfirmed DT check? If the DT check was also Yamato, how the fuck does that work as scum? And if he got it, why in god's name would he EVER use it? foolishness or radfield role is town powers but scum aligned, they're well known for being amazing as town but both terrible as scum and hating to play scum. like how wbg role was town powers but scum aligned the day vig would have been the hidden "beneficial" side of the power, he wouldn't have been told about it until after the public dt check happened. I thought you were pretty levelheaded and townie at the time, but this post is not making sense to me. WBG's role was survivor, not scum aligned. His powers were meh. Unless you are talking about Kurumi, in which case he was town aligned, not scum aligned at all. The impression I got from Yamato is that he knew all along what his power would do. Now, why would scum get a DT check? It makes no sense. Even if it is combined with a dayvig. Either Yamato is lying about how his power works, or he is town. The role makes NO sense for scum. Still catching up on thread but you just posted the most wtf comment ever. I have bolded it for ease. Kurumi's role was obviously one that benefited mafia more than town. IE we already have proof that roles do not have to make sense for their alignment. Roles make sense to the personality. If they RNG'd the personalities/roles then the alignments then anyone could end up up with an alignment that doesnt mesh well with their role. I find scrubblies who make bad reasons on why someone can't be mafia using faulty and terrible logic likely to be mafia defending a scumbuddy Kurumi's role is more powerful for scum than for town, but it is not USELESS for scum. Modconfirming a DT check is not just useless for scum, it is worse than useless. There is literally NO reason to use a modconfirming DT check barring extremely weird situations like Drazerk in HRM (where townies knew Drazerk had the role, because we gave it to him, and were masoned with him. He HAD to use it... and additionally there were 2 scum teams). If you think the role works the way Yamato described, as I do, then it is basically an anonymous dayvig. In that case, Yamato's use of it makes no sense as town. So either scum got, and used a DT check. Or scum announced the anonymous dayvig and used it on a target that was shitting up the thread instead of some powerful town leader. OR, you go with Ockham's Razor and realize that Yamato is town. Why? Modconfirm dt check as scum is legit straight up powerful and id take it in a heartbeat. Why? Because you guys will argue mechanic based shit like you are and voila I must be a confirmed town dt. Oh shit? I have to shoot the guy I modconfirm? Doesn't matter. Target someone in thread who shits thread up and get auto loved for being confirmed dt/vig for town. No offense but as scum i'd love a role that autoconfirms me as town without needing to be a gf. Just saying. Now maybe I think at a higher level of play than you do, but I think this is a standard logical step for basically anyone. There are reasons I am sure you can argue yamato is town without using his role. Role does not fucking equal alignment. I have been saying this for fucking years. yeah i said the same thing but he ignored me
people ignored me about my reads day 1. Yet I see many people parroting them like they thought of them first in this thread. Makes me sad.
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