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On March 13 2013 04:41 Acrofales wrote:Show nested quote +On March 13 2013 04:39 austinmcc wrote:On March 13 2013 04:34 Acrofales wrote:On March 13 2013 04:23 austinmcc wrote:On March 13 2013 04:20 Acrofales wrote:On March 13 2013 02:51 marvellosity wrote:On March 13 2013 02:49 Acrofales wrote:On March 13 2013 01:55 strongandbig wrote:On March 13 2013 01:52 Acrofales wrote:
Oh, and one other thing. What "balance" reason can anybody come up with for giving a scum a modconfirmed DT check? If the DT check was also Yamato, how the fuck does that work as scum? And if he got it, why in god's name would he EVER use it? foolishness or radfield role is town powers but scum aligned, they're well known for being amazing as town but both terrible as scum and hating to play scum. like how wbg role was town powers but scum aligned the day vig would have been the hidden "beneficial" side of the power, he wouldn't have been told about it until after the public dt check happened. I thought you were pretty levelheaded and townie at the time, but this post is not making sense to me. WBG's role was survivor, not scum aligned. His powers were meh. Unless you are talking about Kurumi, in which case he was town aligned, not scum aligned at all. The impression I got from Yamato is that he knew all along what his power would do. Now, why would scum get a DT check? It makes no sense. Even if it is combined with a dayvig. Either Yamato is lying about how his power works, or he is town. The role makes NO sense for scum. I'm pretty wary of this argument. Just because it makes no sense, it doesn't mean that it's in fact not the case ;p there's enough other reasons to make a read of the situation one way or another without worrying whether a role makes sense for a particular alignment. Fine. I see no reason why scum would use an anonymous dayvig shot to take out Kurumi, when they could use it on any one of the high profile targets. I definitely see no reason why scum would CLAIM their anonymous dayvig shot after using it, especially if the only way it gets outed is if it is first confirmed to hit a townie. Even if you think the "balance" reason is not valid, the way it was used is completely stupid for scum. Scum doesn't shoot scumspect townies who are martyring themselves and shitting up the thread. They definitely don't announce that they are doing that: they know that player is a townie. Unless you've seen yamato's PM, you don't know if it's anonymous. There was no ##Shoot: Kurumi, but the "pro GF snipe" was a pretty clear reference to MZ's shot. It wasn't like we were confused as to who had shot once it happened. Kitaman's announcements only announced MZ, not that it was Yamato as MZ. It was therefore anonymous (there were no actions in the thread or vote thread). The check, yeah. But there was a long delay before the shot. And in the intervening time, yamato posted his pro GF snipe. I agree with poor choice, but everyone seems to be using different terminology to describe what happened and it's no good. We do not know whether it was anonymous or not. We can be more sure the check/announcement was anonymous, but there's a possibility the shot was triggered by the pro GF snipe comment. Nitpicky, but you're assuming something we don't know. If the shot was not anonymous and Yamato is scum, then scum has a mod-confirmed DT check. WHY WOULD SCUM EVER USE THIS?
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1. Yamato is likely not saying that he had to announce the shot for his role to work so certain jubjubs say that he's not scum for announcing his shot.
2. Me and some other dude immediately suspected yamato for being the killer after Kurumi's death precisely cause he announced he would solve the Kurumi problem even before he could know he was town.
So he wouldn't have stayed fully anonymous, people suspected it was him.
3. Even for the case he was town and didn't have to announce anything for the role to work, he should have kept everything to himself, waiting to see if he got a check on Kurumi back and then pushed him if it was red, in case of a wrong target he should have kept his mouth shut, would have been better for town.
4. Oh did I mention his scumread at the time was VE and it changed within 13 minutes after he saw Kurumi voting for himself?
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On March 13 2013 04:39 Acrofales wrote:Show nested quote +On March 13 2013 04:11 VisceraEyes wrote:
I think Ver is lying about not reading his role. That is an active decision to play against your win con, and Ver doesn't strike me as that sort of player from my limited experience with him. He also doesn't strike me as the type of scum player who would draw attention to himself by lying in such a manner. Conversely, Ver strikes me as EXACTLY the kind of town player who would lie about reading his Role PM.
Ver should be considered town Imo. Whatever that's worth. Can you expand the meta read a bit? I still think it's a scum cop-out saying "guys, I cannot be held accountable for my shit". If it was a trap, he should have come back and sprung it. He didn't. The post was just an excuse to screw around, which is exactly what he has done.
Sure. Ver is a professional Starcraft player. Ver is a mafia enthusiast and, in general, a really nice guy. Ver has a deep respect for the rules of games, and he would never do anything that would betray the spirit of a game.
He hosted the first Personality, so he knows the depth of thought that was put into making the roles. And he knows that playing against one's win condition is explicitly against the rules of Mafia.
Therefor, Ver is lying about not reading his role PM. He knows who he is supposed to be, and he knows what team he is playing for.
It becomes a question of whether you think he'd lie about it as scum or town. You think scum, I think not. Hopefully he'll tell us one way or another in the hours to come, but I don't think he's a good lynch for tomorrow in any case.
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Anyway marv lied about his role and refuses to give reasons, there are no good reasons for him to lie about the role as town so likely scum.
When confronted with it he tries to draw a comparison with Foolish's lie instead of trying to explain how it would be more beneficial for him to lie about it as town with the excuse of it being night.
Bad excuse, scum knows his role his targets and the role is modconfirmed so marv is being scummarv and also very provocative. Kill it with fire.
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On March 13 2013 04:48 Vivax wrote:Show nested quote +On March 13 2013 04:42 marvellosity wrote:On March 13 2013 04:38 Vivax wrote:On March 13 2013 04:33 marvellosity wrote:On March 13 2013 04:32 Vivax wrote:On March 13 2013 04:25 marvellosity wrote:On March 13 2013 04:12 Vivax wrote:
Look at what marv said, he seems to have been forced by the hosts to say that he's a parity cop and not just a cop so apparently he initially lied about his role O_o I have to announce my role and my targets. I was hoping to be fancy with it and be vague enough that mafia don't know exactly what I'm doing. Hence why I claimed cop, then claimed two targets, and said "and stuff" in a vague manner. Apparently my 2nd post might not even be acceptable either because I didn't put my targets with the exact reference parity cop, but I'm hoping I'll be allowed to get away with that one. And why did you think it would be better for you to claim cop over parity cop? How did you think would it be better if scum though this? why don't you stop asking really stupid questions? It's in your interest to answer me before I leave. You are confirmed liar (: . Nice that you call Foolishness scum over a lie that is arguably not as bad as yours. For some reason you wanted to appear as cop over parity cop which would appear more dangerous for scum, so it doesn't make sense for you to lie about it this way if you're town. Scummarv claims cop → I can claim to have gotten any check back I wanted. Scummarv claims parity cop → My checks are limited and if one guy is of one alignment the other must be of the opposite Townmarv claims cop → I look more dangerous for scum and am at risk of getting RBd/killed. Also I won't actually know if someone is really scum after N1 even though I claimed I would. Townmarv claims parity cop → Honest answer, town will know what it has to expect. Summary: Townmarv wouldn't lie about being a cop over a parity cop. If you are somehow town, you are by far the worst player I have ever played with in all my games of mafia. By far. You are so atrocious it's unbelievable. How is saying parity cop over cop (hello, both cops) worse than using a lie to call someone mafia? what drugs are you smoking? what was my motivation for doing that as mafia? why am i doing it as town? maybe to try to be vague so mafia don't know EXACTLY what I'm doing? what the fuck is wrong with you? why are you questioning me on the specifics of my blue role at night? WHY THE FUCK WOULD YOU DO THAT? If you're town, you actually need psychiatric help because you're fucking insane. Oh we're back to this Foolish didn't lie to call you mafia he allegedly lied to say he's not sure about you. Marvybaby so mad  , ragequit like in LVIII please instead of spamming your one-liners  [/spoiler]
he didn't "allegedly" lie, HE ADMITTED TO LYING.
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On March 13 2013 04:55 Vivax wrote:
Anyway marv lied about his role and refuses to give reasons, there are no good reasons for him to lie about the role as town so likely scum.
When confronted with it he tries to draw a comparison with Foolish's lie instead of trying to explain how it would be more beneficial for him to lie about it as town with the excuse of it being night.
Bad excuse, scum knows his role his targets and the role is modconfirmed so marv is being scummarv and also very provocative. Kill it with fire.
This is deliberate retardation and provocation. Someone MUST shoot this guy tonight.
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Lying alone isn't alignment indicative - it's the manner of the lie. He used the lie to push his agenda (herp I'm always wrong about marv) and that makes him scummy. Not the lie itself.
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On March 13 2013 04:55 Vivax wrote:
Anyway marv lied about his role and refuses to give reasons, there are no good reasons for him to lie about the role as town so likely scum.
When confronted with it he tries to draw a comparison with Foolish's lie instead of trying to explain how it would be more beneficial for him to lie about it as town with the excuse of it being night.
Bad excuse, scum knows his role his targets and the role is modconfirmed so marv is being scummarv and also very provocative. Kill it with fire.
Yes, *I* was the one to draw a comparson with Foolish's lie. OH WAIT NO IT WAS YOU WHO BROUGHT IT UP
On March 13 2013 04:38 Vivax wrote:Show nested quote +On March 13 2013 04:33 marvellosity wrote:On March 13 2013 04:32 Vivax wrote:On March 13 2013 04:25 marvellosity wrote:On March 13 2013 04:12 Vivax wrote:
Look at what marv said, he seems to have been forced by the hosts to say that he's a parity cop and not just a cop so apparently he initially lied about his role O_o I have to announce my role and my targets. I was hoping to be fancy with it and be vague enough that mafia don't know exactly what I'm doing. Hence why I claimed cop, then claimed two targets, and said "and stuff" in a vague manner. Apparently my 2nd post might not even be acceptable either because I didn't put my targets with the exact reference parity cop, but I'm hoping I'll be allowed to get away with that one. And why did you think it would be better for you to claim cop over parity cop? How did you think would it be better if scum though this? why don't you stop asking really stupid questions? It's in your interest to answer me before I leave. You are confirmed liar (: . Nice that you call Foolishness scum over a lie that is arguably not as bad as yours.
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Stop nitpicking. It's stupid.
On March 13 2013 05:00 VisceraEyes wrote:
Lying alone isn't alignment indicative - it's the manner of the lie. He used the lie to push his agenda (herp I'm always wrong about marv) and that makes him scummy. Not the lie itself.
His agenda of being unsure about marv being scum?
Oh shit never thought about that.
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Anyway.
Interesting that earlier today I said I was making a specific effort to talk about ppl not called Foolish and Vivax, and having successfully done so, Vivax comes in with this steaming pile of shit now.
On March 13 2013 04:48 Vivax wrote:Show nested quote +On March 13 2013 04:42 marvellosity wrote:On March 13 2013 04:38 Vivax wrote:On March 13 2013 04:33 marvellosity wrote:On March 13 2013 04:32 Vivax wrote:On March 13 2013 04:25 marvellosity wrote:On March 13 2013 04:12 Vivax wrote:
Look at what marv said, he seems to have been forced by the hosts to say that he's a parity cop and not just a cop so apparently he initially lied about his role O_o I have to announce my role and my targets. I was hoping to be fancy with it and be vague enough that mafia don't know exactly what I'm doing. Hence why I claimed cop, then claimed two targets, and said "and stuff" in a vague manner. Apparently my 2nd post might not even be acceptable either because I didn't put my targets with the exact reference parity cop, but I'm hoping I'll be allowed to get away with that one. And why did you think it would be better for you to claim cop over parity cop? How did you think would it be better if scum though this? why don't you stop asking really stupid questions? It's in your interest to answer me before I leave. You are confirmed liar (: . Nice that you call Foolishness scum over a lie that is arguably not as bad as yours. For some reason you wanted to appear as cop over parity cop which would appear more dangerous for scum, so it doesn't make sense for you to lie about it this way if you're town. Scummarv claims cop → I can claim to have gotten any check back I wanted. Scummarv claims parity cop → My checks are limited and if one guy is of one alignment the other must be of the opposite Townmarv claims cop → I look more dangerous for scum and am at risk of getting RBd/killed. Also I won't actually know if someone is really scum after N1 even though I claimed I would. Townmarv claims parity cop → Honest answer, town will know what it has to expect. Summary: Townmarv wouldn't lie about being a cop over a parity cop. If you are somehow town, you are by far the worst player I have ever played with in all my games of mafia. By far. You are so atrocious it's unbelievable. How is saying parity cop over cop (hello, both cops) worse than using a lie to call someone mafia? what drugs are you smoking? what was my motivation for doing that as mafia? why am i doing it as town? maybe to try to be vague so mafia don't know EXACTLY what I'm doing? what the fuck is wrong with you? why are you questioning me on the specifics of my blue role at night? WHY THE FUCK WOULD YOU DO THAT? If you're town, you actually need psychiatric help because you're fucking insane. Oh we're back to this Foolish didn't lie to call you mafia he allegedly lied to say he's not sure about you. Marvybaby so mad , ragequit like in LVIII please instead of spamming your one-liners
Ragequit like that last game I was town because you know I'm town this game? Right Vivax?
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His agenda of insinuating that he "always reads marv wrong" when he's never ever had to read marv ever.
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VE don't you want to know why marv lied about being a DT instead of a parity cop? Cause he never mentioned a single reason for doing that yet.
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Hey look everybody. It's a thing that's more interesting than Vivax right now!
On March 13 2013 04:49 prplhz wrote:
I think that BloodyC0bbler is scum.
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Anyway, I really think that BloodyC0bbler is scum. How you guys feel about it? I actually agree. Had not gone diving as much, but I remember him as being much more vocal and in charge in LVII.
That was the game where Mattchew claimed self-aware miller when millers weren't self-aware, but BC was still active for the rest of the day despite of having a guaranteed scum D1. He wasn't just active in posting, he was active in continuing to make reads, and explaining them relatively well. That D1 had a lot of wonkiness, and there are a lot of posts where he just sets the record straight and shows exactly why he's thinking what he thinks/reacting how he reacts.
In this game, he's so focused on Foolishness/Ver/slOosh, and then at the end of the cycle on bugs/yamato. But it's not so much the limited topics on which he decided to post, it's his posts on anything else that I dislike most of all.
On March 11 2013 12:11 BloodyC0bbler wrote:
This just in, Oats softclaimed scum.
On March 11 2013 12:15 BloodyC0bbler wrote:no you. This exchange was markedly different from LVII exchangesOn September 05 2012 07:07 BloodyC0bbler wrote:Well if he thinks your scum, hes going to ignore your posts against him, or at least treat them with extreme bias. Notice he responds to someone else when they poke at his case and even makes mention of asking if someone else has an issue (grush I believe). What you or I perceive as bad doesn't mean the person who makes the case does. Getting caught up in the heat of the moment or when you are so sure you are right leads you to do in some cases dumb things as town. Mafia making these mistakes this early is possible as well but seems pretty dumb to do given the current day events. I honestly need him to post more before I can be assured of his guilt as well townies do make bad cases.
On September 05 2012 07:07 BloodyC0bbler wrote:Well if he thinks your scum, hes going to ignore your posts against him, or at least treat them with extreme bias. Notice he responds to someone else when they poke at his case and even makes mention of asking if someone else has an issue (grush I believe). What you or I perceive as bad doesn't mean the person who makes the case does. Getting caught up in the heat of the moment or when you are so sure you are right leads you to do in some cases dumb things as town. Mafia making these mistakes this early is possible as well but seems pretty dumb to do given the current day events. I honestly need him to post more before I can be assured of his guilt as well townies do make bad cases.
On September 05 2012 09:23 BloodyC0bbler wrote:Show nested quote +On September 05 2012 09:17 Ottoxlol wrote:
I just don't get it. Why is it simpler to fuck up as scum? Tell me "kid".
I went into the whole hypotethical thing because I was discussing why would a nonscum Matt fake-claim. So why would a scum Matt fake-claim? if this was a selfaware miller game, a tracker could very well track him n1 then if he's scum it would be revealed. Think of it this way. It was a question never answered by Palmar in thread. Now, most people (even if self aware miller) tend to not claim as even if they do claim people tend to not take them seriously unless a group of them does it. Now, when one person claims, you can gauge the towns reaction and then to prove that millers are self aware the scum team slowly "claims". Basically you can have an entire team or 2-3 people out themselves in this manner and be given a full get out of lynch free card should the people they visit die for a night or two. This may not seem to be much but it means later on in the game people start arguing about if the claims are legit, are only some of them legit, etc.... It makes no sense for town to fakeclaim but in an setup that was so ambiguous it would be a brilliant move if you could pull it off. My only frustration is I could have potentially snagged more than just him had I waited longer before calling him out. Activity might be due to work/commitments/whatever. But the tone of his posts, and the way that he responded to questions like Oats's...that's a different matter. Plenty of other examples of helpful/explainy BC in that filter, he spent all day either doing that routine or chatting with DrH and BM.
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I think I know VEs personality and alignment :-D
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He's not a confirmed anything we don't even know if he's telling the truth about his role. I'm not interested in anyone I think is town claiming anything for scum to use. If you want to reveal your role go ahead - we're lynching you if you don't die to town holy righteous fury tonight.
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On March 13 2013 05:18 VisceraEyes wrote:
He's not a confirmed anything we don't even know if he's telling the truth about his role. I'm not interested in anyone I think is town claiming anything for scum to use. If you want to reveal your role go ahead - we're lynching you if you don't die to town holy righteous fury tonight.
Well a good start to know if he's telling the truth is to find out why he lied but apparently you aren't interested for reasons I can only imagine
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On March 13 2013 05:18 supersoft wrote:
I think I know VEs personality and alignment :-D
Unless you're basing the personality bit off my early game, I quit roleplaying my role about halfway through D1. Earlier really.
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On March 13 2013 04:49 prplhz wrote:I think that BloodyC0bbler is scum. filterBloodyC0bbler starts out by jokingly pushing Ver and slOosh though it turns out that he is being very serious about this. This is similar to his opening post from Storm Mafia where he was scum. Nothing in PTP3, LVIII, Liquid City, LVI, L, all town games and in all games he got down to business. His push on Ver is purely based on how Ver is not around and while BloodyC0bbler drops slOosh he keeps his Ver scum read right up until now. He has been told that Ver said before the game that he wouldn't have time before Monday but this doesn't stop BloodyC0bbler, even though BloodyC0bbler was lynched by a rampant town in his last game when he was in a similar situation to Ver's, having warned the thread about his projected activity but still getting lynched for it. Another really curious thing about the Ver push is this post. It makes no sense at all, because they are experienced they should have written an apology? But an apology (or the lack thereof) has no bearing on alignment at all, it is not hard to write an apology, it just seems too convinient for BloodyC0bbler to use this bad logic to legitimize his push. This Ver push just seems very unlike BloodyC0bbler from his town games. While he does have early reads such as in PTP3 where he had an early Kurumi scum read, he interacts with the thread and he constantly evolves his reads. In a town game where he says in his fourth post that Kurumi is obviously scum, he still has a lot of other opinions and ends up voting differently. He's constantly reevaluating but there's nothing of that in this game. How BloodyC0bbler is acting on D1 in general is curious. BloodyC0bbler is a guy who has a certain opinion of himself. Look at this post where he says that no one can say that he has bad D1 reads because of the list he made. Look at this post where he claims to be one of the most experienced players with the ability to lead. This is in a game with Foolishness, sandroba, Palmar and many other really good players but he still thinks he's the best choice for mayor. He has high thought of himself but he doesn't show that at all in this game, he's actually just sitting back and hoping that Ver will lynch himself. About this very light pushing of Ver, even though he doesn't want to lynch wherebugsgo his activity becomes horrible up until the lynch. The last and biggest thing he does related to the lynch is this post: Show nested quote +On March 12 2013 10:07 BloodyC0bbler wrote:On March 12 2013 10:02 strongandbig wrote:
I'm with you on wbg, bc
Why is Yamato so important to kill?
I kinda get Ver since he's a well known "good player", although I'm not sure why the timing of a policy lynch matters, but with Yamato it's not like he's on that level and he's under enough pressure that there's no risk of him slipping out of the spotlight. Its not so much policy as meta. But again people can take it as they want. He has meshed up fully with his mafia meta from my experience and I know what hes capable of. Yamato is important because he has played so obviously anti town. As annoying as Kurumi was being he was not actively doing anything others already weren't. Instead he shot him. He shot someone who was likely just a townie roleplaying instead of some mafia trolling. "Its not so much policy as meta", does BloodyC0bbler even know himself why he is lynching Ver? And notice why he wants to lynch yamato77, it's not because he is scum but because he has played "obviously anti town". This is true but that's absolutely no reason to lynch him, this is no reason in itself to think that he is scum. Even when I ask him what he meant with his decafchicken comment he doesn't use that in any way to influence the lynch. There's no "decafchicken was lynched because of dumb coincidence and we shouldn't repeat that here, lets lynch Ver because I have played 50 games with him and my D1 reads are awesome", he's just answering my dumb and largely irrelevant question. Anyway, I really think that BloodyC0bbler is scum. How you guys feel about it?
yes. you could well be right. At least i haven't got good reasons to call him town, and normally a town-BC has given me those reasons by now.
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On March 13 2013 05:24 Vivax wrote:Show nested quote +On March 13 2013 05:18 VisceraEyes wrote:
He's not a confirmed anything we don't even know if he's telling the truth about his role. I'm not interested in anyone I think is town claiming anything for scum to use. If you want to reveal your role go ahead - we're lynching you if you don't die to town holy righteous fury tonight. Well a good start to know if he's telling the truth is to find out why he lied but apparently you aren't interested for reasons I can only imagine
We'll find out the truth tomorrow. He was under no pressure to claim, so it reads as forced by mods - which he's also confirming in the thread, which I'll admit is odd.
It just doesn't matter right now.
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This thread grows 2 pages for every 1 I read. Can we please kill Vivax just to stop the rampant growth of bile in this game?
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Tomorrow it might be clear however depending on how this night goes.
Supersoft can I add that you remind me of your LVIII self? You are preparing your famous lists yes?
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