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Vivax
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
22298 Posts
March 12 2013 22:02 GMT
#1921
BC I want to cry with you. The worst is that you might be gone tomorrow and I'll be alone...Arguing against insulting elements who say Ockham's razor is when the guy shooting town is town.
BloodyC0bbler
Profile Blog Joined September 2004
Canada7876 Posts
March 12 2013 22:02 GMT
#1922
On March 13 2013 07:00 VisceraEyes wrote:
BC you're missing the point. Why wouldn't he use it on a town-aligned you? Or a town-aligned Ver? Or a town-aligned Foolish? Or a town-aligned marv? The point is he used it in a way that helped town - removing someone shitting up the thread - instead of a way that irrevocably harms town - killing a strong player with potential to lead town.

No one is arguing that his role makes him town - Acro is saying that his USE of the role makes him town. That's all we can ever go on.


Simple. If as mafia he used it on me and I flipped town and got shot, he'd be instantly castrated for taking out a town heavy hitter and a townie who knows his role will kill a green/blue check is a retard to use it on a high profile target unless the suspicion of him being scum is there. Choosing one of us day 2 or 3 makes sense but within the first like 24ish hours of day 1? No chance in hell.

Object is to confirm your alignment, not solidify your trip to the gallows.
#3 Member of the Chill Fanclub / Rhaegar fought nobly. Rhaegar fought valiantly. Rhaegar fought honorably. And Rhaeger died. --Ser Jorah Mormont TL MAFIA FORUM http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/index.php?show_part=31 go go !
BloodyC0bbler
Profile Blog Joined September 2004
Canada7876 Posts
March 12 2013 22:03 GMT
#1923
On March 13 2013 07:02 Vivax wrote:
BC I want to cry with you. The worst is that you might be gone tomorrow and I'll be alone...Arguing against insulting elements who say Ockham's razor is when the guy shooting town is town.


Bad people are bad yo

#3 Member of the Chill Fanclub / Rhaegar fought nobly. Rhaegar fought valiantly. Rhaegar fought honorably. And Rhaeger died. --Ser Jorah Mormont TL MAFIA FORUM http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/index.php?show_part=31 go go !
Acrofales
Profile Joined August 2010
Spain18265 Posts
March 12 2013 22:06 GMT
#1924
Vivax: I have argued the role all which ways. The second part which you bolded is pretty much EXACTLY what Yamato claimed. He picks a target and vig-shoots them if town, or DT checks them if scum. IF he is scum, that means he is a dayvig, because why on earth bother DT checking your scumbuddies? Now how about you start READING and THINKING instead of spewing drivel all the time.

C: there might be some merit to that. I once mentioned offhandedly to Greymist that I found it funny that his Ace Attorney role is always considered confirmed town, and he said he had wanted to make it scum (in PU I think), but there were balance reasons not to, or the roles didn't work out properly, or something. Anyway, you bring up something worth considering.
Acrofales
Profile Joined August 2010
Spain18265 Posts
March 12 2013 22:06 GMT
#1925
EBWOP: second part is at BC.
Acrofales
Profile Joined August 2010
Spain18265 Posts
March 12 2013 22:08 GMT
#1926
Oh, and that whole spiel is if you assume the DT check and the vig shot are separate from each other. If they're not, and you simply believe Yamato's role, then his USE of the power makes no sense.

He could have just silently and quietly shot any of the heavy hitters and nobody would have known unless he started yelling that he was MZ.
BloodyC0bbler
Profile Blog Joined September 2004
Canada7876 Posts
March 12 2013 22:08 GMT
#1927
On March 13 2013 07:06 Acrofales wrote:
Vivax: I have argued the role all which ways. The second part which you bolded is pretty much EXACTLY what Yamato claimed. He picks a target and vig-shoots them if town, or DT checks them if scum. IF he is scum, that means he is a dayvig, because why on earth bother DT checking your scumbuddies? Now how about you start READING and THINKING instead of spewing drivel all the time.

C: there might be some merit to that. I once mentioned offhandedly to Greymist that I found it funny that his Ace Attorney role is always considered confirmed town, and he said he had wanted to make it scum (in PU I think), but there were balance reasons not to, or the roles didn't work out properly, or something. Anyway, you bring up something worth considering.


thanks for seeing my side of the argument.

Its how myself, ver, foolishness, marv, and a few others would use that role as scum or tell our scum member to use it. Its frighteningly over powered.

#3 Member of the Chill Fanclub / Rhaegar fought nobly. Rhaegar fought valiantly. Rhaegar fought honorably. And Rhaeger died. --Ser Jorah Mormont TL MAFIA FORUM http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/index.php?show_part=31 go go !
Acrofales
Profile Joined August 2010
Spain18265 Posts
March 12 2013 22:09 GMT
#1928
On March 13 2013 07:02 BloodyC0bbler wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 13 2013 07:00 VisceraEyes wrote:
BC you're missing the point. Why wouldn't he use it on a town-aligned you? Or a town-aligned Ver? Or a town-aligned Foolish? Or a town-aligned marv? The point is he used it in a way that helped town - removing someone shitting up the thread - instead of a way that irrevocably harms town - killing a strong player with potential to lead town.

No one is arguing that his role makes him town - Acro is saying that his USE of the role makes him town. That's all we can ever go on.


Simple. If as mafia he used it on me and I flipped town and got shot, he'd be instantly castrated for taking out a town heavy hitter and a townie who knows his role will kill a green/blue check is a retard to use it on a high profile target unless the suspicion of him being scum is there. Choosing one of us day 2 or 3 makes sense but within the first like 24ish hours of day 1? No chance in hell.

Object is to confirm your alignment, not solidify your trip to the gallows.

How would anybody know Yamato did that?

The only reason we know Yamato called the hit in is because he told us so.
BloodyC0bbler
Profile Blog Joined September 2004
Canada7876 Posts
March 12 2013 22:10 GMT
#1929
On March 13 2013 07:08 Acrofales wrote:
Oh, and that whole spiel is if you assume the DT check and the vig shot are separate from each other. If they're not, and you simply believe Yamato's role, then his USE of the power makes no sense.

He could have just silently and quietly shot any of the heavy hitters and nobody would have known unless he started yelling that he was MZ.


Again. Issue is if there is anyone in the game that reveals peoples personalities. In a game such as this there could very well be. For all we know he is forced to claim in some way (via pro gf snipe comment or the like) to give a hint as to his role.

Hitting a heavy hitter still makes no sense as it outs a scum role day 1. If he were to use it and missfire day 2 or 3 on someone the thread considered mafia then he'd get away scott free, but not day 1.
#3 Member of the Chill Fanclub / Rhaegar fought nobly. Rhaegar fought valiantly. Rhaegar fought honorably. And Rhaeger died. --Ser Jorah Mormont TL MAFIA FORUM http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/index.php?show_part=31 go go !
Vivax
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
22298 Posts
March 12 2013 22:11 GMT
#1930
On March 13 2013 07:06 Acrofales wrote:
Vivax: I have argued the role all which ways. The second part which you bolded is pretty much EXACTLY what Yamato claimed. He picks a target and vig-shoots them if town, or DT checks them if scum. IF he is scum, that means he is a dayvig, because why on earth bother DT checking your scumbuddies? Now how about you start READING and THINKING instead of spewing drivel all the time.

C: there might be some merit to that. I once mentioned offhandedly to Greymist that I found it funny that his Ace Attorney role is always considered confirmed town, and he said he had wanted to make it scum (in PU I think), but there were balance reasons not to, or the roles didn't work out properly, or something. Anyway, you bring up something worth considering.


The shot comes after the announcement that the target is town that's the point, you're arguing yamato is town cause he could have anonymously dayvigged as the unknown MZ while I keep arguing that he had TO ANNOUNCE HIS SHOT IN SOME WAY FOR HIS ROLE TO WORK.

And since that is likely the case then YES, HE DIDN'T TELL US EVERYTHING ABOUT HIS ROLE and that's what I suspect him of, cause I don't believe he's an anonymous dayvig and could have shot without saying anything.

Just like marv had to announce that he's DT for his one to work (I wouldn't take for granted that it means he's town though).
Vivax
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
22298 Posts
March 12 2013 22:12 GMT
#1931
Bolded with capslock I'm not angry I just need to make it extra big.
austinmcc
Profile Joined October 2010
United States6737 Posts
March 12 2013 22:13 GMT
#1932
On March 13 2013 06:44 BloodyC0bbler wrote:
Also the case on me by prpl makes me laugh. Try harder mr try hard.

Austin also super baddy. Why would bc change his posting style in a game with altered personalities. Likely because hes playing his personality. Themed games dont equal normal. Nor does the fact I have less time now to actively play.

However good try captain try hard 2.
Themed games don't equal normal. And the less time thing flies with me, I care more about what you did post than how much of it there was.

But I don't know who your personality is, nor do I know how hard you're roleplaying as that person. "It's a personality game and I might be acting out of the part of some unknown person" is not as airtight an explanation as you're thinking. You might be roleplaying. You might be scum. Either way, your play this game looks scummy.
Fe fi fo fum.
marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36161 Posts
March 12 2013 22:13 GMT
#1933
On March 13 2013 06:48 BloodyC0bbler wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 13 2013 06:46 VisceraEyes wrote:
On March 13 2013 06:44 BloodyC0bbler wrote:
Also the case on me by prpl makes me laugh. Try harder mr try hard.

Austin also super baddy. Why would bc change his posting style in a game with altered personalities. Likely because hes playing his personality. Themed games dont equal normal. Nor does the fact I have less time now to actively play.

However good try captain try hard 2.

-.-

Don't poke people for trying BC.


Its prpl and austin. Both are experienced enough to know better. Also, marv has outright lied about how he garners reads on me. As he was unsure of my alignment in LX and was basing my alignment on if I got shot n1 or not. Given his tried and true method is not neccesarily in play this game given that there are so many big names to shoot him outright saying I have a tell for him d1 is an outright lie.

Now the only reason I mention it is he made a huge deal of foolishness lying yet does it himself. Hypocritical actions make BC sad.


... you were smurfing and for almost the whole first day you spoke in Vayesh speak. Are you really equating how you play as Vayesh, when you speak in 3rd person and speak in riddles, with how you play under this username? Seriously?
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
strongandbig
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States4858 Posts
March 12 2013 22:14 GMT
#1934
On March 13 2013 07:13 austinmcc wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 13 2013 06:44 BloodyC0bbler wrote:
Also the case on me by prpl makes me laugh. Try harder mr try hard.

Austin also super baddy. Why would bc change his posting style in a game with altered personalities. Likely because hes playing his personality. Themed games dont equal normal. Nor does the fact I have less time now to actively play.

However good try captain try hard 2.
Themed games don't equal normal. And the less time thing flies with me, I care more about what you did post than how much of it there was.

But I don't know who your personality is, nor do I know how hard you're roleplaying as that person. "It's a personality game and I might be acting out of the part of some unknown person" is not as airtight an explanation as you're thinking. You might be roleplaying. You might be scum. Either way, your play this game looks scummy.

looking scummy is part roleplaying his personality
"It's the torso" "only more so!"
Acrofales
Profile Joined August 2010
Spain18265 Posts
March 12 2013 22:15 GMT
#1935
On March 13 2013 07:10 BloodyC0bbler wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 13 2013 07:08 Acrofales wrote:
Oh, and that whole spiel is if you assume the DT check and the vig shot are separate from each other. If they're not, and you simply believe Yamato's role, then his USE of the power makes no sense.

He could have just silently and quietly shot any of the heavy hitters and nobody would have known unless he started yelling that he was MZ.


Again. Issue is if there is anyone in the game that reveals peoples personalities. In a game such as this there could very well be. For all we know he is forced to claim in some way (via pro gf snipe comment or the like) to give a hint as to his role.

Hitting a heavy hitter still makes no sense as it outs a scum role day 1. If he were to use it and missfire day 2 or 3 on someone the thread considered mafia then he'd get away scott free, but not day 1.

I don't buy that scum is paranoid enough to live in permanent fear of role/name cops. Scum fake claim in closed themed games all the time. Any role/name cop could catch them out, yet I've only seen it happen ONCE (my own check on Toad in CT).
marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36161 Posts
March 12 2013 22:16 GMT
#1936
On March 13 2013 07:13 marvellosity wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 13 2013 06:48 BloodyC0bbler wrote:
On March 13 2013 06:46 VisceraEyes wrote:
On March 13 2013 06:44 BloodyC0bbler wrote:
Also the case on me by prpl makes me laugh. Try harder mr try hard.

Austin also super baddy. Why would bc change his posting style in a game with altered personalities. Likely because hes playing his personality. Themed games dont equal normal. Nor does the fact I have less time now to actively play.

However good try captain try hard 2.

-.-

Don't poke people for trying BC.


Its prpl and austin. Both are experienced enough to know better. Also, marv has outright lied about how he garners reads on me. As he was unsure of my alignment in LX and was basing my alignment on if I got shot n1 or not. Given his tried and true method is not neccesarily in play this game given that there are so many big names to shoot him outright saying I have a tell for him d1 is an outright lie.

Now the only reason I mention it is he made a huge deal of foolishness lying yet does it himself. Hypocritical actions make BC sad.


... you were smurfing and for almost the whole first day you spoke in Vayesh speak. Are you really equating how you play as Vayesh, when you speak in 3rd person and speak in riddles, with how you play under this username? Seriously?


Like, I seriously cannot believe in any way you're equating your play when you play like this:

On February 26 2013 09:49 VayeshMoru wrote:
It was a dark day for the settlers. With the children of atom back Vayesh knew work had to be done. He began to sift through the remains of his fallen friends. Sadly after a quick glance of both bodies it was clear no new information could be garnered. It was then that Vayesh knew it was time for the detailed job.

Hours seemed to pass as he poured through the historical documents on the children of atom. It was well known they had a lust for genocide but they seemed to have some other goal in mind as well. All of the relevant information seemed to have been purged however. Only the generic rise and fall of the cult in the past was recorded.

Vayesh thought all hope was lost then realized that the answer may actually be held by the machines left behind to deal with the threat. Gazing at the automatons a plan began to appear.

Vayesh marched his way to the center of the throng, pushing his way to the center of the commotion.

People were fretting over who should replace gmarshal as mayor. It seemed fitting that the men who killed him would clamor to the front hoping to gain some edge of power to use against Vayesh and his friends. So far none of the men who had come to plea their case were trustworthy. Vayesh had seen all he needed to be disgusted.

This town needed order, this town needed guidence, this town needed chezinu


to how you play as BloodyC0bbler. Really this blows my mind.
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
austinmcc
Profile Joined October 2010
United States6737 Posts
March 12 2013 22:17 GMT
#1937
On March 13 2013 07:14 strongandbig wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 13 2013 07:13 austinmcc wrote:
On March 13 2013 06:44 BloodyC0bbler wrote:
Also the case on me by prpl makes me laugh. Try harder mr try hard.

Austin also super baddy. Why would bc change his posting style in a game with altered personalities. Likely because hes playing his personality. Themed games dont equal normal. Nor does the fact I have less time now to actively play.

However good try captain try hard 2.
Themed games don't equal normal. And the less time thing flies with me, I care more about what you did post than how much of it there was.

But I don't know who your personality is, nor do I know how hard you're roleplaying as that person. "It's a personality game and I might be acting out of the part of some unknown person" is not as airtight an explanation as you're thinking. You might be roleplaying. You might be scum. Either way, your play this game looks scummy.

looking scummy is part roleplaying his personality
I hope you and marv didn't both leak information ...

It might be part of him roleplaying his personality. It might be an excuse. I don't know either way.
Fe fi fo fum.
VisceraEyes
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States21171 Posts
March 12 2013 22:17 GMT
#1938
On March 13 2013 07:15 Acrofales wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 13 2013 07:10 BloodyC0bbler wrote:
On March 13 2013 07:08 Acrofales wrote:
Oh, and that whole spiel is if you assume the DT check and the vig shot are separate from each other. If they're not, and you simply believe Yamato's role, then his USE of the power makes no sense.

He could have just silently and quietly shot any of the heavy hitters and nobody would have known unless he started yelling that he was MZ.


Again. Issue is if there is anyone in the game that reveals peoples personalities. In a game such as this there could very well be. For all we know he is forced to claim in some way (via pro gf snipe comment or the like) to give a hint as to his role.

Hitting a heavy hitter still makes no sense as it outs a scum role day 1. If he were to use it and missfire day 2 or 3 on someone the thread considered mafia then he'd get away scott free, but not day 1.

I don't buy that scum is paranoid enough to live in permanent fear of role/name cops. Scum fake claim in closed themed games all the time. Any role/name cop could catch them out, yet I've only seen it happen ONCE (my own check on Toad in CT).

Well to be fair, his role PM may very well say that his name will be revealed with the shot announcement. It's not a thing where he's "in constant fear" of a name-cop but if that's in his PM and knows it's coming, obviously fear of the name-cop is introduced.
if I had to describe his playstyle, it'd be a coked up rabbit with the attention of a goldfish injecting caffeine into himself directly through an IV drip. it's like a reel of random animated shorts where things just blow up randomly
HiroPro
Profile Joined March 2012
United States2624 Posts
March 12 2013 22:17 GMT
#1939
i dont like prplz case. from what i have seen bc spends a lot of time looking to punish bad play or things he doesnt like even if they arent about finding mafia. look at lviii where he says to kill palmar even thoufh clearly town and then later in obs qt says he did it just cause he thought palmars play was antitown. if bc just keeps spending his time saying same things over and over about yamato then kill him but otherwise look at his other stuff i say.

bc tell us about people other than yamto and ver. i already know what you say about them. you are familar with supersoft? what do you think of him.
marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36161 Posts
March 12 2013 22:19 GMT
#1940
On March 13 2013 07:17 HiroPro wrote:
i dont like prplz case. from what i have seen bc spends a lot of time looking to punish bad play or things he doesnt like even if they arent about finding mafia. look at lviii where he says to kill palmar even thoufh clearly town and then later in obs qt says he did it just cause he thought palmars play was antitown. if bc just keeps spending his time saying same things over and over about yamato then kill him but otherwise look at his other stuff i say.

bc tell us about people other than yamto and ver. i already know what you say about them. you are familar with supersoft? what do you think of him.


where did he say this? i was involved in this game and in that QT and as far as I remember his argument was that Palmar was playing anti-town *and was therefore mafia*. He says this both in-game and in the QT
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
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