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On March 13 2013 05:18 VisceraEyes wrote: He's not a confirmed anything we don't even know if he's telling the truth about his role. I'm not interested in anyone I think is town claiming anything for scum to use. If you want to reveal your role go ahead - we're lynching you if you don't die to town holy righteous fury tonight. Well a good start to know if he's telling the truth is to find out why he lied but apparently you aren't interested for reasons I can only imagine | ||
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Supersoft can I add that you remind me of your LVIII self? You are preparing your famous lists yes? | ||
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On March 13 2013 05:26 Acrofales wrote: This thread grows 2 pages for every 1 I read. Can we please kill Vivax just to stop the rampant growth of bile in this game? There is no bile from my side just lots of questions and persuasion attempts, also my post/content ratio is bigger than other's. I know however who you're on good terms with so I understand you're used to talking smack about others behind people's backs. | ||
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On March 13 2013 05:52 Acrofales wrote: Also lol @ Vivax. I suggest you take a look at MTG mini mafia 2 if you think I'm afraid of calling Marv scum. No but saying I'm playing anti-town is wrong. There's something marv is withholding from us and needs to explain himself, I believe yamato is scum and I push for these two targets. If people at least helped to find out why marv lied about something that doesn't make sense to lie about if he's town then I wouldn't have to spam up things cause people refuse to answer, all it needs is some pressure from others, not comments about me being shot cause of something that applies more to others than to me. | ||
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How is saying parity cop over cop (hello, both cops) worse than using a lie to call someone mafia? what drugs are you smoking? what was my motivation for doing that as mafia? why am i doing it as town? maybe to try to be vague so mafia don't know EXACTLY what I'm doing? what the fuck is wrong with you? No, if both were simply cops then hosts wouldn't force you to claim parity cop. You claimed something that makes you look more threatening for mafia (and thus more likely to get shot/roleblocked), and they know who you want to check anyway so for them it wouldn't make any difference whatsoever except that it would be more attractive for them to attack you in some way. So saying that they mustn't know exactly what you're doing doesn't hold. On the other hand the benefits you'd have from claiming DT over parity cop as scum are evident, as summarized here: On March 13 2013 04:38 Vivax wrote: [/spoiler]For some reason you wanted to appear as cop over parity cop which would appear more dangerous for scum, so it doesn't make sense for you to lie about it this way if you're town. Scummarv claims cop → I can claim to have gotten any check back I wanted. Scummarv claims parity cop → My checks are limited and if one guy is of one alignment the other must be of the opposite Townmarv claims cop → I look more dangerous for scum and am at risk of getting RBd/killed. Also I won't actually know if someone is really scum after N1 even though I claimed I would. Townmarv claims parity cop → Honest answer, town will know what it has to expect. Summary: Townmarv wouldn't lie about being a cop over a parity cop. If your whole reason for lying about your role is that you don't want scum to know what you're doing then it doesn't make a difference cause if anything it makes you a more likely target for their actions. So explain to me where this argument is wrong please. | ||
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If you say "These two have different alignment" and people lynch them and see they both were town then you're in trouble. ___ You asked for two check targets while claiming standard cop whether standard cop or parity cop it doesn't seem to matter so I don't see why parity cop should be better. You get both alignments in either case but parity cop can't actually be sure while standard cop can be (both can be affected by framers afaik) so how does this apply? Parity cop > standard cop wat? On March 12 2013 11:26 marvellosity wrote: Anyway, I am compelled to do this during the day. I was gonna make it super-awesome but I cba. I'm blates a cop and I want to investigate Foolish and Ver n stuff. There we go. Move along, nothing to see here. | ||
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(Although him thinking it was already deadline was kinda weird) | ||
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On March 13 2013 06:51 Acrofales wrote: Kurumi's role is more powerful for scum than for town, but it is not USELESS for scum. Modconfirming a DT check is not just useless for scum, it is worse than useless. There is literally NO reason to use a modconfirming DT check barring extremely weird situations like Drazerk in HRM (where townies knew Drazerk had the role, because we gave it to him, and were masoned with him. He HAD to use it... and additionally there were 2 scum teams). If you think the role works the way Yamato described, as I do, then it is basically an anonymous dayvig. In that case, Yamato's use of it makes no sense as town. So either scum got, and used a DT check. Or scum announced the anonymous dayvig and used it on a target that was shitting up the thread instead of some powerful town leader. OR, you go with Ockham's Razor and realize that Yamato is town. Acro read this post for god's sake. On March 11 2013 16:49 yamato77 wrote: First of all, my role is all inclusive. I didn't choose to reveal his alignment and then shoot him, it happens as a consequence of the person being town. So as soon as I PM'd his name as the alignment check, his fate was sealed and there was nothing I could do about it. Why did I do it, knowing this risk? Firstly, I feel like the people roleplaying heavily, aside from perhaps Prom, deserve a good hard look. None of them had been saying much up to that point and I felt like it was a huge distraction. Kurumi was the worst in this group by a long shot, so losing him even if he was town was not a huge loss. More importantly, it kept town from focusing on him the entire rest of the day with his attention whore mentality and martyring. Basically, I used my alignment check much like a vigi shot. Shoot into the worst of the unreadables and hope you hit red. Unfortunately, I didn't, but it was still objectively a decent move because what it did was get attention away from Kurumi and mainly on to me, where scum have a more difficult time taking a stance due to the more unsure thread sentiment regarding myself at the moment. I can now proceed to completely remove all doubt from the situation and look at who attacked me and why to make inferences about their alignment. The "Pro gf snipe" comment was a joke on my role. Super soft should remember being the target of MZ as a dayvig after Super had just shot a mafia player. MZ made a comment just like that one as he decided to shoot super, who was town. My role, thus, only shoots people that are town. If they were mafia, it works like a detective chevk., where I receive a PM detailing their alignment. I will make it clear, after the alignment check popped up into the thread, I had zero control over the death of Kurumi. The comment was a joke. The shot was predetermined. I sure hope kita and Grey got a good laugh out of it. | ||
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On March 13 2013 07:06 Acrofales wrote: Vivax: I have argued the role all which ways. The second part which you bolded is pretty much EXACTLY what Yamato claimed. He picks a target and vig-shoots them if town, or DT checks them if scum. IF he is scum, that means he is a dayvig, because why on earth bother DT checking your scumbuddies? Now how about you start READING and THINKING instead of spewing drivel all the time. C: there might be some merit to that. I once mentioned offhandedly to Greymist that I found it funny that his Ace Attorney role is always considered confirmed town, and he said he had wanted to make it scum (in PU I think), but there were balance reasons not to, or the roles didn't work out properly, or something. Anyway, you bring up something worth considering. The shot comes after the announcement that the target is town that's the point, you're arguing yamato is town cause he could have anonymously dayvigged as the unknown MZ while I keep arguing that he had TO ANNOUNCE HIS SHOT IN SOME WAY FOR HIS ROLE TO WORK. And since that is likely the case then YES, HE DIDN'T TELL US EVERYTHING ABOUT HIS ROLE and that's what I suspect him of, cause I don't believe he's an anonymous dayvig and could have shot without saying anything. Just like marv had to announce that he's DT for his one to work (I wouldn't take for granted that it means he's town though). | ||
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If there's something you can't roleplay easily it's the motivation to play the game properly. | ||
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Marv/yamato/Hiro/S&B/VE/Dandel/prplhz/Oats/supersoft/Ver These are the people the scum is hiding in imo. Am currently not really sure except for that I want to lynch yamato. Prom I'm kinda null on but I'll go with town for the moment. Now Town Town Scum I notice differences which are hard to verbalize and I would probably say more stupid things than reasonable things while trying to so I prefer if you took a look at this by yourself and looked for them. | ||
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On March 13 2013 07:47 Acrofales wrote: Someone with some experience playing with SS as scum: does he throw curveballs like that townie post? Low thread presence as opposed to town. Posts a lot of stuff on the go without making clear what he wants, talks about irrelevant stuff. Kinda classic scumplay go read LVIII where he could play as scummy as he pleased and people didn't want to lynch him. He even scumslipped towards the end without people noticing lol. | ||
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On March 13 2013 07:47 marvellosity wrote: most of my townreads are in that list. oh vivax. Interesting, which are your not-townreads? | ||
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