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Vivax
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
21978 Posts
March 12 2013 20:07 GMT
#1871
VE don't you want to know why marv lied about being a DT instead of a parity cop? Cause he never mentioned a single reason for doing that yet.
Vivax
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
21978 Posts
March 12 2013 20:24 GMT
#1875
On March 13 2013 05:18 VisceraEyes wrote:
He's not a confirmed anything we don't even know if he's telling the truth about his role. I'm not interested in anyone I think is town claiming anything for scum to use. If you want to reveal your role go ahead - we're lynching you if you don't die to town holy righteous fury tonight.


Well a good start to know if he's telling the truth is to find out why he lied but apparently you aren't interested for reasons I can only imagine
Vivax
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
21978 Posts
March 12 2013 20:26 GMT
#1880
Tomorrow it might be clear however depending on how this night goes.

Supersoft can I add that you remind me of your LVIII self? You are preparing your famous lists yes?
Vivax
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
21978 Posts
March 12 2013 20:32 GMT
#1883
On March 13 2013 05:26 Acrofales wrote:
This thread grows 2 pages for every 1 I read. Can we please kill Vivax just to stop the rampant growth of bile in this game?


There is no bile from my side just lots of questions and persuasion attempts, also my post/content ratio is bigger than other's. I know however who you're on good terms with so I understand you're used to talking smack about others behind people's backs.
Vivax
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
21978 Posts
March 12 2013 20:37 GMT
#1885
It means that his opinion is biased by his acquaintances on this forum so I'm the guy throwing bile while marv is the angel for calling me all sorts of insults.
Vivax
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
21978 Posts
March 12 2013 20:56 GMT
#1891
On March 13 2013 05:52 Acrofales wrote:
Also lol @ Vivax. I suggest you take a look at MTG mini mafia 2 if you think I'm afraid of calling Marv scum.


No but saying I'm playing anti-town is wrong. There's something marv is withholding from us and needs to explain himself, I believe yamato is scum and I push for these two targets.

If people at least helped to find out why marv lied about something that doesn't make sense to lie about if he's town then I wouldn't have to spam up things cause people refuse to answer, all it needs is some pressure from others, not comments about me being shot cause of something that applies more to others than to me.
Vivax
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
21978 Posts
March 12 2013 21:07 GMT
#1893
How is saying parity cop over cop (hello, both cops) worse than using a lie to call someone mafia? what drugs are you smoking? what was my motivation for doing that as mafia? why am i doing it as town? maybe to try to be vague so mafia don't know EXACTLY what I'm doing? what the fuck is wrong with you?


No, if both were simply cops then hosts wouldn't force you to claim parity cop.

You claimed something that makes you look more threatening for mafia (and thus more likely to get shot/roleblocked), and they know who you want to check anyway so for them it wouldn't make any difference whatsoever except that it would be more attractive for them to attack you in some way.

So saying that they mustn't know exactly what you're doing doesn't hold.

On the other hand the benefits you'd have from claiming DT over parity cop as scum are evident, as summarized here:

On March 13 2013 04:38 Vivax wrote:
For some reason you wanted to appear as cop over parity cop which would appear more dangerous for scum, so it doesn't make sense for you to lie about it this way if you're town.

Scummarv claims cop → I can claim to have gotten any check back I wanted.
Scummarv claims parity cop → My checks are limited and if one guy is of one alignment the other must be of the opposite

Townmarv claims cop → I look more dangerous for scum and am at risk of getting RBd/killed. Also I won't actually know if someone is really scum after N1 even though I claimed I would.
Townmarv claims parity cop → Honest answer, town will know what it has to expect.

Summary: Townmarv wouldn't lie about being a cop over a parity cop.
[/spoiler]

If your whole reason for lying about your role is that you don't want scum to know what you're doing then it doesn't make a difference cause if anything it makes you a more likely target for their actions. So explain to me where this argument is wrong please.
Vivax
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
21978 Posts
March 12 2013 21:23 GMT
#1901
Well what I meant with that is that the player has to be the opposite for you to not be discovered telling fake checks.

If you say "These two have different alignment" and people lynch them and see they both were town then you're in trouble.
___

You asked for two check targets while claiming standard cop whether standard cop or parity cop it doesn't seem to matter so I don't see why parity cop should be better.

You get both alignments in either case but parity cop can't actually be sure while standard cop can be (both can be affected by framers afaik) so how does this apply? Parity cop > standard cop wat?

On March 12 2013 11:26 marvellosity wrote:
Anyway, I am compelled to do this during the day. I was gonna make it super-awesome but I cba.

I'm blates a cop and I want to investigate Foolish and Ver n stuff.

Show nested quote +
On March 12 2013 11:44 marvellosity wrote:
Apparently I have to say that I'm a parity cop with the aforementioned targets. Sadly this leaves me no wiggle room and is REALLY FUCKING DULL. YES I AM TALKING TO YOU.



There we go.

Move along, nothing to see here.

Vivax
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
21978 Posts
March 12 2013 21:24 GMT
#1902
What is this blue role talking taboo, scum wouldn't be learning anything new that marv didn't (have to) mention already.
Vivax
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
21978 Posts
March 12 2013 21:46 GMT
#1910
I'm rereading the deadline stuff, just as general announcement I'd probably also lynch crossfire tomorrow.

(Although him thinking it was already deadline was kinda weird)
Vivax
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
21978 Posts
March 12 2013 21:58 GMT
#1916
On March 13 2013 06:51 Acrofales wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 13 2013 06:33 BloodyC0bbler wrote:
On March 13 2013 02:49 Acrofales wrote:
On March 13 2013 01:55 strongandbig wrote:
On March 13 2013 01:52 Acrofales wrote:
Oh, and one other thing. What "balance" reason can anybody come up with for giving a scum a modconfirmed DT check? If the DT check was also Yamato, how the fuck does that work as scum? And if he got it, why in god's name would he EVER use it?


foolishness or radfield role is town powers but scum aligned, they're well known for being amazing as town but both terrible as scum and hating to play scum.

like how wbg role was town powers but scum aligned

the day vig would have been the hidden "beneficial" side of the power, he wouldn't have been told about it until after the public dt check happened.

I thought you were pretty levelheaded and townie at the time, but this post is not making sense to me.

WBG's role was survivor, not scum aligned. His powers were meh. Unless you are talking about Kurumi, in which case he was town aligned, not scum aligned at all.

The impression I got from Yamato is that he knew all along what his power would do. Now, why would scum get a DT check? It makes no sense. Even if it is combined with a dayvig. Either Yamato is lying about how his power works, or he is town. The role makes NO sense for scum.


Still catching up on thread but you just posted the most wtf comment ever. I have bolded it for ease.

Kurumi's role was obviously one that benefited mafia more than town. IE we already have proof that roles do not have to make sense for their alignment. Roles make sense to the personality. If they RNG'd the personalities/roles then the alignments then anyone could end up up with an alignment that doesnt mesh well with their role.

I find scrubblies who make bad reasons on why someone can't be mafia using faulty and terrible logic likely to be mafia defending a scumbuddy


Kurumi's role is more powerful for scum than for town, but it is not USELESS for scum. Modconfirming a DT check is not just useless for scum, it is worse than useless. There is literally NO reason to use a modconfirming DT check barring extremely weird situations like Drazerk in HRM (where townies knew Drazerk had the role, because we gave it to him, and were masoned with him. He HAD to use it... and additionally there were 2 scum teams).

If you think the role works the way Yamato described, as I do, then it is basically an anonymous dayvig. In that case, Yamato's use of it makes no sense as town.


So either scum got, and used a DT check. Or scum announced the anonymous dayvig and used it on a target that was shitting up the thread instead of some powerful town leader.

OR, you go with Ockham's Razor and realize that Yamato is town.



Acro read this post for god's sake.

On March 11 2013 16:49 yamato77 wrote:
First of all, my role is all inclusive. I didn't choose to reveal his alignment and then shoot him, it happens as a consequence of the person being town. So as soon as I PM'd his name as the alignment check, his fate was sealed and there was nothing I could do about it.

Why did I do it, knowing this risk? Firstly, I feel like the people roleplaying heavily, aside from perhaps Prom, deserve a good hard look. None of them had been saying much up to that point and I felt like it was a huge distraction. Kurumi was the worst in this group by a long shot, so losing him even if he was town was not a huge loss. More importantly, it kept town from focusing on him the entire rest of the day with his attention whore mentality and martyring.

Basically, I used my alignment check much like a vigi shot. Shoot into the worst of the unreadables and hope you hit red. Unfortunately, I didn't, but it was still objectively a decent move because what it did was get attention away from Kurumi and mainly on to me, where scum have a more difficult time taking a stance due to the more unsure thread sentiment regarding myself at the moment. I can now proceed to completely remove all doubt from the situation and look at who attacked me and why to make inferences about their alignment.

The "Pro gf snipe" comment was a joke on my role. Super soft should remember being the target of MZ as a dayvig after Super had just shot a mafia player. MZ made a comment just like that one as he decided to shoot super, who was town. My role, thus, only shoots people that are town. If they were mafia, it works like a detective chevk., where I receive a PM detailing their alignment. I will make it clear, after the alignment check popped up into the thread, I had zero control over the death of Kurumi. The comment was a joke. The shot was predetermined. I sure hope kita and Grey got a good laugh out of it.

Vivax
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
21978 Posts
March 12 2013 22:02 GMT
#1921
BC I want to cry with you. The worst is that you might be gone tomorrow and I'll be alone...Arguing against insulting elements who say Ockham's razor is when the guy shooting town is town.
Vivax
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
21978 Posts
March 12 2013 22:11 GMT
#1930
On March 13 2013 07:06 Acrofales wrote:
Vivax: I have argued the role all which ways. The second part which you bolded is pretty much EXACTLY what Yamato claimed. He picks a target and vig-shoots them if town, or DT checks them if scum. IF he is scum, that means he is a dayvig, because why on earth bother DT checking your scumbuddies? Now how about you start READING and THINKING instead of spewing drivel all the time.

C: there might be some merit to that. I once mentioned offhandedly to Greymist that I found it funny that his Ace Attorney role is always considered confirmed town, and he said he had wanted to make it scum (in PU I think), but there were balance reasons not to, or the roles didn't work out properly, or something. Anyway, you bring up something worth considering.


The shot comes after the announcement that the target is town that's the point, you're arguing yamato is town cause he could have anonymously dayvigged as the unknown MZ while I keep arguing that he had TO ANNOUNCE HIS SHOT IN SOME WAY FOR HIS ROLE TO WORK.

And since that is likely the case then YES, HE DIDN'T TELL US EVERYTHING ABOUT HIS ROLE and that's what I suspect him of, cause I don't believe he's an anonymous dayvig and could have shot without saying anything.

Just like marv had to announce that he's DT for his one to work (I wouldn't take for granted that it means he's town though).
Vivax
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
21978 Posts
March 12 2013 22:12 GMT
#1931
Bolded with capslock I'm not angry I just need to make it extra big.
Vivax
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
21978 Posts
March 12 2013 22:23 GMT
#1943
In the thread: Mafia trying to make BC look scummy so the medic doesn't protect him.
Vivax
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
21978 Posts
March 12 2013 22:28 GMT
#1949
Okay guys before I proceed on analyzing yamato's meta and compare it to this game I want to remind you:

If there's something you can't roleplay easily it's the motivation to play the game properly.
Vivax
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
21978 Posts
March 12 2013 22:44 GMT
#1968


Marv/yamato/Hiro/S&B/VE/Dandel/prplhz/Oats/supersoft/Ver

These are the people the scum is hiding in imo. Am currently not really sure except for that I want to lynch yamato.

Prom I'm kinda null on but I'll go with town for the moment.

Now

Town

Town

Scum

I notice differences which are hard to verbalize and I would probably say more stupid things than reasonable things while trying to so I prefer if you took a look at this by yourself and looked for them.
Vivax
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
21978 Posts
March 12 2013 22:45 GMT
#1971
^Ah right those are yamato's filters from various games shot them off before adding what it is
Vivax
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
21978 Posts
March 12 2013 22:49 GMT
#1978
On March 13 2013 07:47 Acrofales wrote:
Someone with some experience playing with SS as scum: does he throw curveballs like that townie post?


Low thread presence as opposed to town. Posts a lot of stuff on the go without making clear what he wants, talks about irrelevant stuff. Kinda classic scumplay go read LVIII where he could play as scummy as he pleased and people didn't want to lynch him. He even scumslipped towards the end without people noticing lol.
Vivax
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
21978 Posts
March 12 2013 22:50 GMT
#1979
On March 13 2013 07:47 marvellosity wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 13 2013 07:44 Vivax wrote:


Marv/yamato/Hiro/S&B/VE/Dandel/prplhz/Oats/supersoft/Ver

These are the people the scum is hiding in imo. Am currently not really sure except for that I want to lynch yamato.

Prom I'm kinda null on but I'll go with town for the moment.

Now

Town

Town

Scum

I notice differences which are hard to verbalize and I would probably say more stupid things than reasonable things while trying to so I prefer if you took a look at this by yourself and looked for them.


most of my townreads are in that list. oh vivax.


Interesting, which are your not-townreads?
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