EPTOn March 15 2013 00:24 DarthPunk wrote:
Holy Crap reading this thread is painful.
Holy Crap reading this thread is painful.
I've skipped a good 30 pages at times and I've missed very little important stuff.
Personality Mafia 2 - Page 6
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On March 15 2013 00:23 HiroPro wrote: i don't think foolishness is unlynchable. he is either lying to stall time or he has some kind of limited power similar to what prplhz said he had. his case on marvel is mostly just either misrepresentation or does not even have anything to do with being mafia. notice how he ignores the game that is similar in style to this (LVIII) and instead focuses on a much older game, notice how he cherrypicks posts from parallel worlds that appear very calm and collected in the "trap" part and ignores the more emotional stuff. kill foolishness. also does anyone even remember that stutters is playing in this game? he has not mentioned a single thing about what is going on today or taken a stance on whether foolishness is scum, only dropped in twice to say nothing. Yes, Foolish dies today. I think Stutters being afk is standard Stutters, but I will give his filter a look see. You have been pushing him all game. What are some other reads. If you take the Foolish thing out of the equation, how do you view Marvellosity? | ||
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On March 15 2013 00:28 HiroPro wrote: oatsmaster, just because a post is long does not mean anything. in bureaucracy foolish made a giant case on bill murray that looked very fancy but did not really say anything much: + Show Spoiler + On July 19 2012 12:31 Foolishness wrote: Bill Murray! Think to yourself: is Bill Murray actually Bill Murray this game? It's an easy enough question to answer: no. Because he is mafia. The items that characterize Bill Murray's usual town play are absent from this game. Consequently, it is easy to see that this game matches his mafia behavior. The running joke on the forum about Bill Murray's alignment is that the more chaos he causes the more likely he is to be town. This has been seen over time as in the far past the games he broke the rules in he was usually town. Even today it is true, he is just much more mature about his posts. Simply put: Bill Murray is much more spammy in games where he is town. This should make sense; everyone in this game has played with Bill Murray as far as I can see. Recently in Holy Roman where Bill Murray was town, he busted out four pages of posts within the first day alone. In two games where Bill Murray is mafia, Mafia LIII and Mafia LVI, by the end of day 1 he had less than two pages worth of posts (LVI he had about 1, LIII had about 1.5). How many pages of posts does Bill Murray have this game at the end of day 1? Less than 1 page, and closer to half a page than a page. This may seem a bit out there, but it's certainly significant. When Bill Murray is town he posts twice as much as he does when he's mafia. That's a very noticable difference, especially for Bill Murray who can be very spammy. You shouldn't even have to check his filter to know that he had less than 1 page in his filter by the end of day 1. I know there was a point day 1 where someone made a post like, "wtf Bill Murray is in this game?". Bill Murray loves to ride the inactive train to mafia victory. Before we do some more comparison to other games, take a look at what Bill Murray has accomplished this game. Needless to say he has been all over the place. This is not uncommon of Bill Murray nor does it strongly indicate his alignment. But his best post this game is probably the one he made against me: The issue here isn't about what's being said but about when it was said. He is essentially just restating arguments that were already laid out in full by wherebugsgo, syllogism, and sandroba. Bill Murray came late to the game. Has he provided something to the town that's genuine and fresh? No. He waits to see what the town thinks before trying to weigh in a contribution. But that aside what other posts has Bill Murray made that are of interest this game? One of my favorites is: We all know apathy is a trait many mafia possess. Outside of that, it was interesting to watch him go from wanting to kill Chezinu without a second thought: To thinking he is town the next day: Outside of all this there's nothing you can say about him. He's done nothing. He said gonzaw was making excuses but never said anything more. He's made a troll post or two. He's defended himself in the typical Bill Murray style (which he does both as town and mafia). He has not helped the town nor has he made any real effort other than jumping the bandwagon on myself. What's missing from his filter that should be there? Bill Murray when he is town always tries to help in one way or another. The typical way is by calling people out on their bullshit, Bill Murray style. But that hasn't happened this game. In games where he is town Bill Murray always makes long posts in between his one liners and ever-increasing troll posts. For example take this post from Holy Roman mafia (he was town). I spoilered it cause it's long: + Show Spoiler + On May 10 2012 21:20 Bill Murray wrote: I'm going to man up on this one, because I honestly feel I need to 1) you are misguided town 2) you are in a position of power therefore you are misguided town in a position of power therefore you can fuck us over with an indecision... or hurt us... and oh, baby, don't hurt me don't hurt me, no more. when you said "Your wall post is decent because it reveals a lot of information about you ", how does it do that? You said that it doesn't reveal information about who I'm posting about, but you contradict that later when you say you agree with my scumhunting and reads You say "As town, I must always be aware that someone playing scummy might still be a delusional town.", which is true, but it can work both ways. Someone who is not only acting pro-town, but acting pro-town as town, can be delusional town. look at yourself you're "all over the place" even in this one post, whereas I have not contradicted myself once in terms of how I feel about things. What people do, in terms of their actions, speak louder than their words. Acrofales, I expected you to write me off as town due to my effort, but your obtuseness, your parroting of my point earlier, and your inability to address that has me questioning having sent your name in as emperor, and you being town. I'm honestly regretting it right now, and I should have gone with my first instinct. I'd have rather voted for that annoying cube than you right now. Ok, why does scum have a good reason to shoot you? Because you were the only person making wall posts? You said yourself you're active as both town and scum... how, then, does that confirm you at all? hint: it doesn't It's definitely a good ability for scum to be able to blue snipe, even deductively, depending on who they flip I'm glad Zelblade called Acrofales a noobie before I did I was starting to feel like I'm just sleep deprived in having a village idiot read on him Acrofales, you think people are voting you because of your walls? They're not. They're voting you because of your claim. Unlike them, however, I don't stick to reads, and you definitely parroted me Yeah. You made a good catch on that, possibly. I actually speculated something about this, but I don't want to give away too much information. Ask me about it when I wake up. marry carolus mafnus The important part is how he explained his thought process on Acrofales. Note how direct he is in saying what he thinks and how he's actively trying to figure things out. This is the town Bill Murray. We all know that he loves the game and is quite competitive, so posts like these fit right in with what you would expect out of him. When he's mafia, posts like these are absent from his filter. He doesn't actively speak his thoughts or convey his feelings. And that's exactly what he's doing this game as well. He had other posts where he explained his thought process that game. One of them is very very long so I've omitted it (you'll find it if you look through his filter for that game. Remember he is town here). But you can always find the posts where he explains his reads. In this game it was in list form: + Show Spoiler + On May 11 2012 07:46 Bill Murray wrote: Alright. Acrofales may not be parroting me, and might be genuine still. Considering he is going to be the Emperor, there is no point in gunning there I am much more suspicious of OpZ/Carolus/Mattchew of the recent posters that I formerly had town reads on People that were scummy that aren't as bad include Forumite, Drazerk, and MG Mattchew - town A.T.L.A.S. - town P-Body - not touching with a 10 foot pole until someone will decode Laika - lurking dog Companion Cube - want to lynch if i dont see scumhunting; too focused on buddying OpZ - scum via meta Adam4167 - dont believe ive seen much from him, but ive seen him play as town before, so i should be ok U - town YES_THIS_IS_DOG - lurker/inactive The_Bard - good taste in music, but other than that, very null Carolus Magnus - scum QuickSilver7 - town Mr. Potatohead - lurking scum Itouchyou - lurking town Hassybaby - scum Drazerk - town Strongandbig - town Vaderseven - v7 is in this game? Quatol - lurker, one post saying they needed to read the thread Bluelightz - town Zelblade - town Sinani206 - town Kurumi - town erandor - town Acrofales - town MajuGarzett - town Forumite - town Jitsu - town bagmanager - scum Bill Murray - town so i have like 5-6 scum naturally... i am not 100%, but this is just general Another good example of his town play is from Death Factory mafia. It's easy to scroll through and find posts that he makes where he explains his thoughts about other players in the game: + Show Spoiler + On April 04 2012 20:24 Bill Murray wrote: Syllogism - I want to test Cephiro's hard-softclaim. He isn't outright claiming any investigative ability, whether, if he has it or not, it is multiple or single use, or anything, but his softclaim was as close to a guilty claim as I have seen in a long time. I don't want to not test that. PRP - Like syllo, I feel like his interactions with WBG, and the way he responded to the Cephiro ordeal, is pretty damning. I am willing to lynch him off of associative tells, but I'd like to flip syllo first. Tobon - Though he has been looking better, with his defense being "noone has made a case on me, therefore I can't be scum", and all the flak he has gotten, he has my eyebrows raised. Bluelightz - I really wouldn't mind losing him, even if he is town. He is not a VI, I don't think, so I feel like he is playing dumb as scum. I am not sure, however, that he isn't a little kid that wanders, lost, into the middle of the movie theatre... but with an AK. And again you can find other long posts that are always present in his town play: + Show Spoiler + On April 04 2012 20:37 Bill Murray wrote: Either way we need to get the above four out of here. I would want to wait until the lights come back on, and I'm kind of scared to do anything due to VE dying... If your interaction with syllo wasn't completely 100% scummy, I would feel like you were town WBG. I do have a leaned townread on you, but it's not 100% like I felt about Palmar, because you could potentially be throwing syllogism under the bus. I only say this because your questioning of him felt too good, to where it looked like an act. If you're really that good, and that was the building up, and prelude of a great case, bravo. We haven't been using our PoPs correctly. Now, I'm not a dictator, as I'm not confirmed or anything like an innocent child (definitely not bluelightz lol  ), so I'm not going to boss people around in a "Soviet Russia make you push or pull like want" way, only sort of. We need to hold people accountable, loosen up, and ask people questions. Scum will eventually become illogical... it wears on you being scum. Here's to hoping so, at least.reasons you should believe I'm town: 1) I actually want our next course of action to be to consolidate pushes or pulls around what Snarf wants to do, but I know the thread won't go for it, and would lash out against me, so I'm not touching it with a ten-foot-pole. 2) proposing someone else leads versus myself... kind of having second thoughts on that, though 3) personal meta of lack of night posting, whereas, as scum, i'd post in the night /wifom Honestly, though, I can't really be sure snarfs is town... 1) Godfather 2) I could be naive 4) I could be ... no, VE flipped town... I can't be insane... not in the game at least :D ...A role changing ability, or busdriver only the first two are valid, where my ability was day use However, I feel comfortable leading myself, if you all aren't satisfied listening to Snarfs. I'm not saying to not scumhunt, and to turn into sheep. I'm just saying that people are really looking to be prone to wasting their pushes and pulls without any sense of order, which allows for scum to blend in, and that should be our first mission as a town to prevent If you look at his mafia games, in particular, Area LIII and LVI, you'll find these long posts are absent. For instance in LVI his longest post was a nice little: Granted he did get shot night 1. In LIII his longest post was: Which is nowhere near of the calibre that you see in his town games. Furthermore you can see in this accusation post (remember he is mafia this game) that he only accused MG after others had gone after him (he says so himself in this post). This is easy to see from his filter in that game because this is the first time he's ever talked about MG. This is exactly what he's done this game. He doesn't make any mention of me, but once a handful of people say I'm mafia he immediately hops aboard the train trying to contribute. Exactly what he did as mafia in LIII with MidnightGladius. Summary of why Bill Murray is mafia: 1) Overall inactivity. He hasn't done anything this game. Do any of the posts he's made stick out at you as memorable? 2) Spam level. He's had zero spam this game. There is a noticeable difference in his spamminess when he is town and mafia. This game it is consistent with his mafia play. 3) No long posts. When Bill Murray is town, he makes posts that are paragraphs long. When he is mafia he never does such a thing. This game he hasn't made a post longer than ~5 sentences. 4) Lack of thoughts or accusations. When he is town he is not afraid to call someone out or make a long (relative to him) accusation post. When he is mafia he is all aboard the sheep train. He even said in a post that he is sheeping and in another post that he thinks sheeping is good for the town. Obviously have to take care of more pressing mafia first. ##Vote: Kurumi Also of note is that he spends a lot of time making a case but his vote goes elsewhere, just like today. Foolish doesn't even have the balls to lynch the guy he makes his case on. | ||
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On March 15 2013 00:29 Oatsmaster wrote: Only scum wants to skip pages cause they already know who is scum/town. So therefore nothing is important to them really. Also their scumbuddies can notify them about important things. Not, it's because people like Marv and Vivax have made this thread unreadable at times. | ||
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On March 15 2013 00:28 DarthPunk wrote: I was all like better read marvs filter. 26 pages. :o Just read my filter. Prom's filter is actually pretty good, too. Read Foolish and decide for yourself what alignment you think he is. Read Corazon. Read sloosh Read strong and big. Ignore Vivax/Marv for obvious reasons. You should be able to figure out what's happened in the game from that stuff. | ||
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On March 15 2013 00:39 marvellosity wrote: Get a grip, it's the most important thing to do in the thread. I'm exposing Foolishness, and you need to read the post to understand that. I read the post already. I already know he lied about meta, I'm not an idiot. It's really not worthwhile to convince people you think he's mafia. Either they believe him or not, you won't change the minds of people like oats/vivax/corazon by refuting him point-by-point. | ||
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On March 15 2013 00:40 austinmcc wrote: If anyone can get a legitimately strong read on risk.nuke without using activity level or associations concerning who he's been pushing/defending, then they're seeing something I'm not. I agree with this, but I think the fact that he's done so little in three filter pages of game time is disturbing. While his mafia meta is general inactivity, it is not much of a step to go from that to posting a lot of meaningless commentary stuff. The posts he does give opinions in seem genuine, but I have a bias considering how I view Foolish. | ||
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On March 15 2013 00:43 marvellosity wrote: yes, of course i will. I need to show the thread that everything Foolishness says is twisted. The point is everyone is going "oh wow that long post looks fucking awesome!" and I'm just picking it apart, lie by lie, bullshit by bullshit. The thread needs to see that making a massive post doesn't mean town. Now leave me alone. He's still the leading vote-getter by far, dude. You don't need to push his lynch, it's already happening. Why not talk about something else that is more useful? You've been on this Foolish bullshit all day basically. Give it a rest. | ||
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It's not useful anymore to do what you're doing. You're not stupid, Marv. You can get mad at me or whatever, but I think you know he's dead in the water already. | ||
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On March 15 2013 00:45 Dandel Ion wrote: You do see that your posts are equally (or even more) useless, yes? And what stunning analysis have you given today? I'm trying to get Marv to stop playing so anti-town with this Foolish tunnel. | ||
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On March 15 2013 00:58 austinmcc wrote: I honestly think that there's less of a chance they're both town than there is of them both being mafia. As in, there's an outside chance both are mafia, and an outside outside outside outside chance they're both town. Each is spending a majority of his focus on the other. Makes it look less suspicious that neither is taking control over town in a bunch of aspects and directing things, because they're really just focused on this one guy, and when that one guy flips scum, ta da! All the effort worth it. More focus on a singular targets just helps duck a policy lynch later on, imo. Austin hits the nail on the proverbial head. | ||
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I don't want town just sheeping Marv. While I think he's right about all this, the way he's going about it is a little odd in my opinion. It could just be me, and I am known to be extremely paranoid, but something feels off about this lynch, even though I am fairly confident in Foolishness being mafia. | ||
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It also makes Marv look 100000000000000000x worse. | ||
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On March 15 2013 02:54 Vivax wrote: I find this post rather off. You say you're confident but everything about this post says you're not. Enough talking Foolishness anyway the bandwagon is rolling. Yamato which townie would you shoot today if you had another shot? + Show Spoiler + Actually, tell me who you want to lynch after Foolishness assuming Foolishness didn't exist please. I'm confident in FOOLISH BEING MAFIA, just not MARV BEING TOWN. Okay? If I could lynch ANYONE else, it might just be you, because everything you've done this game comes at me from a mafia motivation, including your insanely stupid defense of Foolishness and his equally stupid defense of you after calling for your lynch. Plus, between yourself and Marv you've managed to make this thread more difficult to follow given how much you spam and how difficult it makes conversing with people as a result. PLUS, you've been wrong about myself, and about Foolishness, and in general have been quite adamant in your stances despite tons of evidence to the contrary of your beliefs. However, you do this as town too, so I can't take that as anything because you might just be that wrong. You're also in line with Corazon, and with Sloosh, both of which have wanted me dead the entire game given very shoddy reasoning for their accusations. They also both are not playing like their town selves, and both of them are as wrong about this game as you are. | ||
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On March 15 2013 03:02 Vivax wrote: So your only read aside from Foolish is me but I'm not your scumread cause I play like I would play as town? You just mention a few OMGUS arguments cause I agree with others who want to lynch you? Remember the D1 bandwagon? 2 of those on that bandwagon were town and are now dead there might be a reason no? Who the fuck knows who is scum in this situation? You look terribad after a Foolish mafia flip, that's a fact. | ||
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On March 15 2013 03:06 Vivax wrote: What makes me confident that we have a scummato here is that he didn't ask me a single question in that post of his. It rather sounds like he answers my questions and just wants me to fuck off despite having me as scumread, also he sounds kinda aggressive but you never know behind a computer screen maybe he is laughing hysterically I honestly don't even know why I respond to you. | ||
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1) We lynch Foolishness and he flips mafia. Vivax, Corazon, Sloosh all look terrible, all are probable mafia. Prplhz might be last scum in that 5-scum equation because he in general just does nothing as mafia, and that's what we're seeing here. Could be any of a few lurking prospects, though, so I can't say for sure. ANYWAY, point being, it's obvious that Foolish wanted to live real bad so he lied about his role and told his teammates to defend him/try to lynch me, so all of the associations there are completely valid. 2)Foolish comes up unlynchable. What now? We wasted a whole fucking day trying to lynch someone that couldn't be lynched. Maybe it's only for today, maybe it's permanent. THE POINT IS, THERE'S NO FUCKING WAY TO TRUST HIM, AND TOWN IS STILL IN THE DARK, WHICH IS EXACTLY WHAT HE WANTS AS MAFIA. So why does Marv look worse for this? Because all he's done today is tunnel the fuck out of Foolish. I've made many attempts to get him to do fucking anything else, but he doesn't. He gives noncommittal stances on everyone save Corazon, INCLUDING ME. He believes Foolish is CERTAIN MAFIA, but he expresses this sentiment in his filter today: On March 14 2013 06:16 marvellosity wrote: Foolishness, in all seriousness, if you can make a serious case on yamato I'm all ears. Gogo. That quote is all kinds of out of place, given Marv's stances on basically everything else this game. Why does he express in lynching me AND listening to Foolishness when he's done the exact opposite all game long? Ugh, I hate that fucking post. It's my nightmares. It makes me think Foolish can't be lynched today, and Marv has gotten town all piled on to Foolish and 100% lynching him, and then it doesn't happen. What happens tomorrow if Foolishness doesn't die from the lynch? Chaos. And a probable mafia victory. | ||
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Ugh, I live in fear of things like this. | ||
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On March 15 2013 03:21 supersoft wrote: You have to analyze, not to guess. I've already analyzed Foolishness on my own. I think he's mafia, but he might just be unlynchable for some stupid fucking reason, you can't just discount the possibility when two people have mentioned it this game. In Parallel World, mafia managed to make him VIRTUALLY unlynchable due to his world swaps throughout the game. It seems like a valid mafia strategy, at least perhaps for one day. | ||
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