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On March 12 2013 23:52 Acrofales wrote: Way to be useless. Are you calling Marv scum or town, based on meta? What a pointless post. Your post sure is "useful". You give no impression of marv yourself and you didn't read that I lean scum on him. | ||
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On March 12 2013 23:54 Acrofales wrote: For the record, I haven't gotten past where I was yesterday and think Marv looks more like town Marv D1 from duel, than scum Marv. Plus, Marv is the D3 policy lynch, so I am not too worried about him. If scum hasn't killed him off by D3, we lynch him. Well in Hero I said lynch him at lylo (actually asked for it before even) but no one did. It's cool that you think too he should be policy lynched but try to convince town first cause people on this forum listen more to the name than to the argument as shown by Sandro smurfing as JungleJorge in LX. | ||
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On March 13 2013 00:10 Mocsta wrote: I don't see marv as scum. If you want to policy lynch him in LYLO watever... we are in Night 1 - its not relevant Fact: marv filter has a good consistency in approach. I get an overall vibe that he is trying to really piece this game together & making an effort to communicate his point to get the other person to see his thought process. Thats pretty towny. His points also don't feel contrived. Scum happy to put a piece into the mix, and fuck off. I am not seeing that behaviour here. Marv is a *Very* valid medic save this night. + He claimed parity cop. And how does it affect your read on him if he doesn't get roleblocked? | ||
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No scum doesn't want investigative roles to work there is no WIFOM version of it where they let them work so people think they're scum. If they do, well whatever scum-positive checks marv claims will always have a red and a green so he will have to claim roleblocks at some point if he fakeclaimed. Agreed on letting marv slip for the moment yamato is a better lynch actually  | ||
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On March 13 2013 00:27 Mocsta wrote: Now this I disagree with outright. Anonymous vig claim holds for this cycle. Your whole town read on yamato is based onto his vig-claim? As said by me and S & B him claiming the shot beforehand was probably a requisite for his shot to work but he doesn't mention it as part of his role so people go around and say he's town for claiming it. | ||
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On March 13 2013 00:31 yamato77 wrote: Just by talking about it you introduce WIFOM Don't be an idiot. Look, marv claimed cop and is the guy to be killed super early as town so it's not WIFOM if I say that he's likely scum if he gets neither RB'd nor killed. If you're scum you don't say "Let's keep this guy alive so we push for his lynch for staying alive", you say "let's kill this guy cause he's a fucking dangerous townie". Any strong player dying early as town is proof for this statement else they could keep them alive to push them later right? | ||
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On March 13 2013 00:33 yamato77 wrote: It wasn't. If you could fucking read, it is an automatic function of my alignment check that I shoot town-aligned players. I don't know beforehand, and mafia roles don't get revealed or shot, I just get a PM saying they're mafia or third party. Stop misrepresenting what I've said about my role. Well that's even worse you used your role on a guy in the crossfire without asking him to stop trolling like I did or waiting some more to find out if he's actually scum. You actually justified your shot by saying that he martyred and had to die afterwards and not by saying that you wanted to check him while risking his death, meaning you justified afterwards that he died for trolling, not that he died cause you thought he was mafia and wanted to check him at the risk of him dying. So your whole motivation behind that shot doesn't add up in light of your role. | ||
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On March 13 2013 00:39 austinmcc wrote: It's N1. D2 we get a lynch. Honest, answer, do you feel that "Strong player who has claimed parity cop is not dead by D2" should = lynch that player D2. If you don't, then it's not a matter than needs discussing right now. We can policy-lynch marv later. If so, you need to explain to me why Marv is the first strong-player policy lynch, and not Foolishness/Ver/someone else AND you need to explain why we should be policy lynching by D2. That basically starts a precedent of us ONLY policy lynching this game, which is ridiculous. Furthermore, we can assume marv is telling the truth, but we don't know that he's a cop, although it seems like he's also claiming to be VE, in which case compulsive, truthful claiming would make some sense as a role. Vivax wrote on this very same page: Agreed on letting marv slip for the moment yamato is a better lynch actually | ||
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On March 13 2013 00:45 yamato77 wrote: It was one of the factors that I considered when I thought of the possibility of him being town, yes. I didn't know his alignment, and thought that even if he was town for this, it was not a great loss because of how he was playing. You should stop posting because I've said all this before. Fucking read. Your role is more anti-town than anything. Already using it so early in the day on a player looking so bad at the time is scummy and only convenient for you. You were willing to bet a townie life against a check that no one would believe cause it would have been a D1 check. If you were town you'd be seriously stupid, but I know you aren't. Neither of both. | ||
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On March 11 2013 02:51 yamato77 wrote: Iamp let's lynch VE On March 11 2013 03:00 yamato77 wrote: VE not reading, just lurking. Speak and he shall appear. Proof that yamato is scum On March 11 2013 06:59 yamato77 wrote: i'm at work you asshat it's in my filter What I will do is solve this Kurumi problem right now. Yamato announces that the problem will be solved when he doesn't know if he gets a check back or Kurumi dies. Yamato knew Kurumi would die and says he doesn't have to announce the shot in the thread but claimed it on his own - despite not knowing if he'll get a check back he says that "The problem will be solved". The actual announcement comes later On March 11 2013 07:06 kitaman27 wrote: Announcement! ![[image loading]](http://www.heart-valve-surgery.com/Images/announcement.jpg) Kurumi is town-aligned. His reaction after knowing Kurumi would die as town: On March 11 2013 08:14 yamato77 wrote: Watch this. Pro GF snipe right here. | ||
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What if he had the chance to get a check back from Kurumi (like he should believe), why announce something beforehand when you don't know the outcome? Let's assume he expected to get a red check back on Kurumi, would he announce it in the thread or wait for the outcome and only claim the shot if he hit green? In case he hit red he could simply push Kurumi or claim the check afterwards. In case of green he could have stayed silent or claimed it or whatever he wanted to, but he chose the stupid way, why? Explanation: For his role to work he had to play the shot like MZ played it. He had to announce that he would shoot someone in the thread for his role to work, but refuses to admit it. Every other explanation doesn't make sense unless he's a massive derp. | ||
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On March 13 2013 01:02 austinmcc wrote: Didn't we establish that the pro GF snipe line was roleplaying? If he's town, he did a horrible job of communicating what was actually happening. But the text of that line is not part of his scummy play or poor communication, it was a throwback to a Bang Bang post, right? The "pro GF snipe" isn't what's so incriminating, it's him saying that he will "solve the Kurumi problem right now" before getting something back from the host which shows that he knew he would get shot, and thus knew he was town. He wouldn't say that if he would expect a red check like he would from a scumread. | ||
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On March 13 2013 01:17 marvellosity wrote: The Kurumi problem wouldn't be there, which is the problem yamato said he would solve. yamato would still be there, yes, but that's a different kettle of fish. The problem he said he would "solve" before knowing from the host if Kurumi was scum or town? | ||
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On March 13 2013 01:19 marvellosity wrote: if he's scum we lynch him, if he's a martyring town, he gets shot. Problem solved in both scenarios? ______________________________________________________________________________________________________ On March 11 2013 06:46 Kurumi wrote: okay so it seems I got a scum role and I am town burn me because if I ever fucking turn mole I will throw something heavy out of my room ##vote Kurumi On March 11 2013 06:59 yamato77 wrote: i'm at work you asshat it's in my filter What I will do is solve this Kurumi problem right now. He chose to shoot Kurumi for martyring over his "scumread" VE in the arc of 13 minutes. On March 12 2013 11:31 yamato77 wrote: I consent to any of Vivax, Super, Bugs, Foolish or Ver hanging My vote will stay where it is because I only have time to type this post at work. If I die, so be it, but I highly doubt you guys will be happy when you find out I lied about nothing Bugs was martyring, too but he pumps out a 5 guy list instead of going for Bugs who does the same as Kurumi. Kurumi martyring is a good enough reason to shoot him but Bugs doing that isn't a good enough reason to lynch him over 4 others? Inconsistent reasons, terrible role usage, indications of him knowing Kurumi's flip beforehand ( + general subjective scumminess). | ||
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On March 13 2013 01:48 Acrofales wrote: I just got done reading most of the fall-out from Yamato's shot and I think everybody who calls Yamato scum for it is either terrible or scum. Why the fuck would a scum Yamato use an anonymous vig-shot to shoot a confirmed townie and then own up to it. They could have used that power to take out some superpowered veteran with no fear of a medic, but instead use it to kill someone who was shitting up the thread. Yes, it was a fucking stupid move to shoot a modconfirmed townie. However, that doesn't make it scummy. SnB said this completely correctly. Vivax, Cora, Sloosh, VE all fail to see this, or are scum using it to try to wagon what looks at the time to be an easy mislynch. Out of these, I like Cora the least, but I'll keep reading. + Show Spoiler [brief thoughts on cora] + Cora's early game was to attack Yamato based on meta. This from a player who I distinctly recall saying all meta cases are terrible in Duel mafia. He then gets extremely paranoid about dying when Kurumi posts fake shots in the vote thread, and is extremely defensive about his contributions this game, which, at the time were minimal. Finally, when mocsta points out some stuff he thought was scummy, Cora uses some terrible misdirection to deflect the case, by saying Mocsta was just piggybacking on other people's thoughts. Not everything has to be an original thought, and if other people had good ideas, a townie SHOULD use them. Regardless of whether it was original or not, the deflection seems like a guilty conscience trying to wiggle out from explaining something he had no town explanation for. Every bolded part is proof you didn't read this game. I didn't read the stuff after the lynch before posting today but you didn't even read early game holy shit. What's worse about this is that you forgive yamato for shooting a modconfirmed townie in your point of view and that makes even less sense than other derps/mafias saying he should stay alive. | ||
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Town marv isn't this bad. | ||
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On March 13 2013 02:03 Oatsmaster wrote: 1 question. Where the fuck is Iamp. Vivax stop your fucking personal issues with marv and play the damn game. Show us why he is scum without resorting to personal attacks or find another player to harrass. You never answered 5 scumspects over Foolishness. Ok Who are the 5 people that are scummier than Foolishness, since you said your town read on him was based on elimination. There are no personal issues just legitimate concerns about him being town and the arguments he's using. My scumreads are yamato, yamato, yamato ,yamato and yamato. | ||
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On March 12 2013 22:59 Oatsmaster wrote: Cause foolishness has done ABSOLUTELY NOTHING. other than defend you. and vote for crossfire. But he didnt actually push anything, do anything remotely townie. Nope. Just derped around like a newbie. Is Foolishness a newbie? No. 1. Foolishness is not the best potential town player. 2. Foolishness doesnt look like town. How do you get to the point where he should be protected? Oats do you agree with me in the fact that Foolishness pushed for a yamato lynch while someone not-scum was the main lynch candidate? | ||
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