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On March 12 2013 04:10 austinmcc wrote:I am more inclined to lynch bugs over crossfire now. Rather than be furious about a mislynch, he waited forever and then has returned to just dick around. Calls out iamperfection out of nowhere, and it feels like he's just wasting time (and town is as well) by carrying on this discussion about iamperfection. Unless you think iamperfection is a serious lynch candidate, then I don't think we should be discussing him. Bugs isn't angry at a mislynch, bugs isn't trying to further discussion, he just tosses iamp out as a lynch target, and then when anyone disagrees with him bugs asks them "why?" or to go run an errand and find him proof. Waste of time. Crossfire continues to be scum, but he's not actively dicking up the thread at this point. Seems like he's decided to lurk and not be so noticeable. The hopefully-soon-to-be-mayor would like to form a concerned citizens' council/neighborhood watch organization. The goal of this organization should be to look into what BC is doing. Specifically, he has called out a number of players for not participating. And he is right to call them out. But...that is the vast majority of his filter. His scumhunting has been limited to "here's a list of lurky folks, one or more of them is probably scum." That's not really scumhunting. Says oats soft-claimed scum, nothing further about oats. Just continued sniping at absent players. I do not like this. I expect more from BC, especially where he posts Show nested quote +On March 06 2013 11:08 BloodyC0bbler wrote:
weekend works less well for me but thats because im busy all day friday and saturday.
Starts sunday I am good. If you can find a lot of substantive activity from him on Sunday, let me know. If you can find a lot of substantive activity from him Monday, let me know. Otherwise, citizens, please keep watch over BC. Do not let his absence pass you by. He knows how to play this game, and he has been content to drop the occasional comment about ver/foolishness/slOosh, and then discuss who he wants to lynch from that list. Scummy.
So you feel sure that WBG is scum?
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EBWOP would like an answer ASAP austin
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On March 12 2013 04:19 Vivax wrote:
SlOosh has my full support in the yamato matter I actually can't get rid of the feeling the guy is mafia and if he was interested in making Kurumi readable: I was pushing that matter and made him post normally before he was shot, yamato didn't help at all trying to do that he preferred to pull the trigger on a guy who seemed to be under heavy suspicion at the time.
As to marv's question why yamato claimed: Me and someone else said it was probably him after the shot cause he repeatedly announced that he would take steps against Kurumi and (I think that's how his role works cause an invisible dayvig is OP and I've only seen that in LVIII where it was so strong I had a super fun time shooting you bitches out of nowhere, good times) well, it looks to me like he doesn't mention that part of his role cause it's convenient for him since people like you argue he can't be mafia cause of that.
Any other explanation for claiming dayvig on his own is stupid, especially the way he did, cause even after the announcement where he should've known Kurumi was town, he posted in a dickish way.
And the contradiction slOosh mentioned is pretty damning looks to me like yamato is throwing reads around without really believing what he says in that case.
Yamato is also posting and readable. Is it worth lynching him when he's putting himself under so much pressure over someone who is clearly scummy as shit? You can WIFOM about this all day but there are better targets than focusing on someone who shot a reasonable shot. If you believe his claim that his shot caused the modconfirm or not is definitely debatable, but surely you can see the doubt when he could have shot someone like me while I was trolling and no one would have blinked an eye and it still would have generated town-cred.
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@slOosh: Its not enough of an excuse IMO to ignore the scummy parts, but it is enough to not have the lynch be a tossup over some significantly more scummy people.
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On March 12 2013 04:31 austinmcc wrote:Hmmmm. Citizen, why the sudden activity? Despite earlier looking like you were with me on crossfire, you never voted. Either for him to be lynched or for me to be mayor (why is nobody voting me for mayor?). Show nested quote +On March 12 2013 02:56 Stutters695 wrote:On March 12 2013 02:01 marvellosity wrote:On March 12 2013 02:00 Stutters695 wrote:
Right now crossfire. This feels just like his mtg2 play without the scum claim due to different mechanics.
I did miss the last ten pages or so due to sleep so I'm going to catch up on those now but I'd vote cross 100% right now. ok, i get that. Tell me what you think of bugs and slOosh. Bugs I don't know. I've never seen him play like this but his posts are really fucking dense (I'm assuming this is role related) and don't really say much. From my experiences with him (LIX and YANMM) I was expecting a tunneled push on someone and calling anyone who disagreed bad. I assumed he's good enough though that his scumplay wouldn't be this different. If anyone has a suggestion on a couple of his scumgames I'd love to check them. He seems like a good lynch but I'd pick cross over him. Sloosh I've never played with period but his few posts are so safe it's unreal. If he's wrong about Yamato he's fine because it still makes sense to lynch and if he's right he gets huge town cred for nothing. I saw someone said this is what he does so I wouldn't be adverse to a policy lynch or vig shot. I don't think either are as sure as Crossfire but I'd definitely go Sloosh if people can't be convinced of Cross. Bugs I think we can definitely get something if value out of. Here you pick a swath of folks who are being talked of, and yeah, they're scummy. But that's been mentioned. You were scummy on cross over the rest, but didn't vote. You thought we could get "value" out of bugs, with no explanation of what that means. Now you're asking about my feelings on bugs and taking a stance on yamato. I read your LIX filter. Where are your thoughts? What are your feelings on me for mayor, or having a mayor? Why is your vote on nobody, and where is your head at on bugs?
That post was a direct response to Marv after I claimed Kenpachi, I just dropped my vote on Cross. I want to know if you think Bugs is a surefire hit and if not why you would vote him over Cross when you say "cross continues to be scum."
Your responses will determine what I think of you as a mayor, in general I'm not a fan of mayors because unless they hit scum they're blatant mislynch bait, but you can't really know. I said my thoughts on bugs, I think Crossfire is 100% scum because of that I'd rather wait and see with Bugs but his play definitely isn't up to what I expect from him. I would back a Bugs lynch if I can't convince town of a crossfire lynch,since his return I really haven't seen the town traits I've seen from his previous games.
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On March 12 2013 04:42 Vivax wrote:
Marv I know you usually have early scumreads and push them as town, now you prefer to hard-defend yamato and aren't dead set on an own read, let that guy defend himself, defend him with your vote please.
You're taking a chance on a lynch because of a vig shot rather than him being the scummiest person. He's active and thus will reveal himself. What do you think of Crossfire, WBG or slOosh? Surely they're scummier than Yamato if you ignore the vigshot?
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@Austin Ok, makes sense. I just wanted to hear your thoughts.
Now onto why I'm so adverse to a Yamato lynch. It's a tossup between if you believe his claim or not. There are significantly scummier people (Bugs, Xfire) and a scum lynch today reduces scum KP. Why would we leave it to something we can't confirm or deny when there are scummers amongst us who are obvious? Yamato will post and give us more info to go off of tomorrow or the day after. I'd love to hear anyone say why we shouldn't lynch the obvious scum over someone whose lynch is based off of a role we can't confirm.
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On March 12 2013 05:12 Vivax wrote:
We don't talk about townreads we talk about lynching deadline is closing in and the europeans among us won't be there.
If you want to lynch me marv make your case I would love to see it, "Vivax is scum cause of a slight townread on player when asked and doesn't want to talk about it and bsbsbsbs". Bad marv = scummarv.
Anyway I want to lynch yamato and if he flips red we will have a nice bunch of other people to lynch. Other than yamato Corazon posted some weird stuff and the rest is in my filter. Bugs as policy lynch if he doesn't change his play and cause I hate Chezinu.
Others I'm not sure on.
##Vote yamato77
So fucking read. What makes you think Yamato is a better lynch than Cross?
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Just a heads up guys I'm working tonight until ten then doing acid at eleven so I'll be mia most of tonight. I'll pop in when it's slow or I'm on a smoke break but don't expect a lot of activity from me.
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Ebwop times are est so I will be here for deadline also
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Last post for a bit. Vivax I want defending Yamato because he was innocent I was defending him because Xfire is playing just like he did in mtg2. He plays like me whrre he doesn't post a lot but they have content. Except I'm his scum games where he clams up and doesn't say shit. He is scum and lynching anyone else is not a good play to me.
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On March 12 2013 08:04 marvellosity wrote:Show nested quote +On March 12 2013 08:02 supersoft wrote:
marv, i think corazon is town... I prefer crossfire as day1lynch right now.
I continue rereading. WBG shouldn't be an option today. That's my final thought about wbg today. Keep him alive. Can you tell me why? I'm wrestling with his alignment entirely unsuccessfully right now.
Because bugs is hard to read and XF isn't. If we take the free scum lynch now they lose kp and we gain time yo figure out bugs.
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On March 12 2013 10:07 marvellosity wrote:
shrug. i'll lynch crossfire if people think bugs is a genuinely bad lynch for weird 3rd party reasons. Don't wanna kill anyone else particularly though.
Bugs feels somewhat like he did in YANMM although in YANMM he contributed then raged and went full troll for a day. Dunno what to make of that. I missed any supposed third party shenanigans so I can't really comment on that. I really don't understand the aversion to cross though.
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On March 12 2013 10:13 Oatsmaster wrote:
Why are we not lynching WBG.
He martyred himself.
Why not vig crossfire? I think he is more of a coinflip than WBG tbh.
Also VIvax likely scum.
Also I gotta go and will be out for the whole day.
Go read any Crossfire game if you think this is a coin flip.
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Hey guys, just woke up. Catching up now.
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@Prom obviously the absence is no bueno but otherwise I don't see where you're getting a difference in my play.
Since you mentioned vivax also, I also haven't read that normal game you're talking about but this feels way more town than like his scum play in YANMM.
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On March 14 2013 13:53 Acrofales wrote:
Also, the following people have dropped off the face of the game: risk.nuke, HiroPro and Stutters.
@all 3: give me your thoughts on foolishness, marv, yamato and cora.
Ver's absense is going beyond just lurking and into complete inactivity. He's cruising for a modkill. Giving up on even trying with him. If he makes another minimal throwaway effort today, we lynch him tomorrow as the scum he is: If he doesn't then he gets replaced/modkilled. No point worrying about him now.
I'm awake now and caught up.
Foolishness: I'm going to read some of his past games but I'm not sure I buy his trap. It's really his only post of value (aside from his meta analysis on Vivax based off of one of his scum games). He makes decent points but essentially all he said on Yamato was the vig shot was anti-town and so was the disappearing. His crossfire case is a bit better but again his whole case is based around an action and associations. If Yamato or cross flips town then everything in that post is random conjecture without any proof and he'll still have contributed nothing. He might make these types of cases all the time but I need to check it. I'm leaning scum but not my first choice.
My gut tells me town on Marv. He saw the same things on Cross that I saw d1 and really seemed to be the only other person really pushing for Cross when it was headed towards WBG around 24h in. Through his filter I don't see nearly as much jumping around as people say (he's jumped between his top targets which i don't remember him doing quite so much but he's got reasoning behind it).
Post on the other two coming up.
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I'm out for a bit so I can't check filters for specifics but sorry version on Yamato is you guys are giving too much weight to that vig shot imo. Misguided, yes, however I would have considered vigging him if I had a shot and I'm not seeing any scum motivation that's stronger than town motivation for it.
Cora has slipped under my radar all game so I'll have to fully check his filter.
Also since it won't affect if the shot goes off if I claim this I was added to a group with one vig shot if the entire group agrees on it (not informed of who the members are outside of the leader knowing who he added). I'd encourage you to message me post lynch with who you want to target so I can see if i agree since as we progress and you add more people the odds of actually shooting go down dramatically. If I disagree I'll say who I'm targeting in thread and you can either go with that or hold the shot.
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Ebwop sorry version = short version
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Also since its the only option I agree with (although I still think Crossfire needs to hang) ##vote: Foolishness
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