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I was going to ignore Vivax, but he is spamming his factually wrong case.
On March 14 2013 23:46 Vivax wrote:Acro is more interesting but you don't talk about Acrofales at all (except lately you mention him casually as strange)Acrofales de-facto-proof that he's pushing scum agenda: Says Iamp is partially suspicious for voting Bugs. Acrofales voted Bugs with this: + Show Spoiler +On March 12 2013 07:27 Acrofales wrote:
Fine. My flight's boarding and browsing your filter it is looking like duel D1.
I like that last post showing how differently bugs plays as town from his useless defeatist attitude this game, and my vote on Ver is going nowhere. I'll get back to that tomorrow. When I get home I hope I can make a better reasoned out vote, but for now:
BAAAAAAA BAAAAAAAA
##vote wherebugsgo Show nested quote +On March 13 2013 11:37 Acrofales wrote:
*snip*
Iamperfection: not his aggressive, assertive self. Could be roleplaying, but as Marv said, town Iamperfection is so easy to read, he is almost as good as an IC. Iamp is not playing like that this game. Also voted for Bugs, but has a better reason than Mocsta.
*snip*
Yes, I realize that I have way too many scumspects. This game is impossible to read and clear up townies. I'm glad I even found 4. We kill Ver or Cora tomorrow.
So bloody what? I was on the wrong wagon. I am okay with admitting that. Anybody is welcome to look at my filter. My being on the wrong wagon does NOT excuse everybody else who was ALSO on the wrong wagon. It just means that when they flip red, I will have been in rather bad company. I don't need to look into me, I have a role PM which modconfirms me as town to myself.
Also, if you see, I don't ever suspect Iamp of being scum. I just note that I am not willing to consider him town at that point, because I am wary of where his vote ended up.
We kill Ver or Cora tomorrow he says. Then the D2 action with checks and nukes arises, he says he still thinks Ver is more likely scum: + Show Spoiler +On March 13 2013 22:13 Acrofales wrote:Show nested quote +On March 13 2013 21:53 marvellosity wrote:On March 13 2013 21:38 Acrofales wrote:On March 13 2013 19:36 supersoft wrote:
balancediscussion in the meantime:
These players: X Scummers among them
1. Vivax
23. Promethelax
19. iamperfection
5. HiroPro
10. austinmcc
13. Oatsmaster
14. Stutters695
15. strongandbig
18. Mocsta
21. Acrofales
22. cDgCorazon
9. Intact replaced by Dandel Ion
2. Crossfire99
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Other players: Y Scummers among them
7. marvellosity
4. risk.nuke
6. prplhz
16. slOosh
20. Ver
- opposite aligned -
17. Foolishness
- shot -
24. yamato77
X + Y = 5
X = ?
Y = ?
tell me bros I don't understand the dividing line for "balance" purposes. Is that veterans vs. scrubs? As for a list from scum -> town, I just made a list last night. Nothing has changed. given you had Foolish somewhere around null and he just shot one of your "strongest townreads", nothing changes? Foolishness was null, leaning scum yesterday and still is. The nuke is currently meaningless, as there are too many explanations for it. Until Kita or Greymist launch the nuke, I withhold reservation. Trolling about nuking Yamato fits with his playstyle this game, which is STILL better than Ver's. Even without your parity check, it makes sense for there to be a scum between the two giants in the game. If we disregard framers, that means there is 1 scum and 1 town between them. I still think Ver is the more likely scum, unless someone can point me to Foolishness being a massive troll a scum.
Yeah, but Ver never posted again. People who don't post and don't vote generally get modkilled/replaced. I still think Ver's entrance was terrible and DP starts off as a scumspect, but pushing for a lynch on someone who is cruising for a modkill is beyond retarded.
He states : If nuke real we kill Foolishness, if not, we kill him tomorrow: + Show Spoiler +On March 14 2013 02:59 Acrofales wrote:
/facepalm
Anyway, I don't know why we are speculating about the nuke being real. If it is, we kill Foolishness. If it isn't, we kill Foolishness tomorrow. In the meantime, we should kill someone else.
SS: for a confirmed townie who is hanging around to give us guidance, you are not guiding much. Do you agree with me that Cora is scum? If not, who should we kill today? Still votes for Foolish when nukes are fake with no reasoning given, showing his previous reasons are complete bogus. Show nested quote +On March 14 2013 05:27 Acrofales wrote:
So... ok.
##vote Foolishness
Sloosh wasted a couple of hours, but comes out looking townier and Xfire also looking townier, so I'll call it a win.
Yeah, I changed my mind. Supersoft made some decent sense and I listened to him. Unlike some people here, I am capable of listening to reason.
Anyway, how does ANY of this make you think I am scum?
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+ Show Spoiler +On March 15 2013 00:09 austinmcc wrote:Show nested quote +On March 15 2013 00:03 Vivax wrote:+ Show Spoiler +On March 14 2013 23:56 austinmcc wrote:Show nested quote +On March 14 2013 23:51 Oatsmaster wrote:
I changed my mind, too lazy to change my vote if in fact its on Foolishness.
Foolishness is town.
K got past that?
That means that Marv is scum, due to the very nice explanation and trap that foolishness did.
Now what marv did after foolishness's post is nitpick on one specific part and never mention it again. DrH said in his mafia podcast(go listen its really nice). That as scum, you dont want to address a hugeass case point by point because then more slips of logic will happen and you are now very under pressure. Instead, marv picks a small portion, blasts it, then moves on.
Now people dont really remember that and the focus is off marv and onto foolishness who cant defend himself/hammer marv cause he is not here. Then the thread goes to pieces, with marv hastening its destruction.
With Foolishness town, this means that yamato is probably scum, as well as crossfire for reasons previously stated.
Do you believe that Foolishness received a batman-posting-restriction/unlynchable/fake-1-shot-vigi PM? If so, how does his worry over whether people listen and looking townie mesh up with the fact that he is unlynchable? If not, can you explain why Foolishness is lying in that post? Austin, you are unlynchable but have scumreads and town still wants to lynch you over your scumreads. Do you not post anything about your scumreads to persuade them just cause you're unlynchable? Do you think he would just not do anything cause he's unlynchable as town? You'd post, and you'd try to swing the lynch other ways. But...you'd do 2 things. You'd post reads/arguments, and you'd inform everyone you were unlynchable. You still get your reads/arguments into the thread, and people know you're not going to die, that you don't care about the lynch, etc. Foolishness did 3 things. He posted reads/arguments, informed everyone he was unlynchable, and also worried about how townie he looked/what actions would make him look townier. To the extent that he is concerned with that, who cares, because HE WILL SURVIVE A MO-FO-ING lynch. It's good to want to look townie. It's good to want people to listen to you. It's not good to want to look townie, want people to listen to you, and conveniently forget that you are claiming to be unlynchable, which means that the actions of the game will make you look super townie as they play out. At the very least, that consideration should be in your mind. And it doesn't seem to have been there for Foolishness.
The thing is, people are less prone to believe your scumreads if they believe you're scum in the first place. I don't see why Foolish should completely disregard defending himself just cause he claims to be unlynchable, also his post was a long story of thought process throughout the game, so the points to his defense come, let's say naturally.
Look austin, from your perspective, it's the start of the day, so a lot of people want to lynch you. You could simply tell your scumreads, or you could tell your scumreads and defend yourself to make yourself more credible.
The latter is always a better option, unlynchable or not.
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On March 15 2013 00:13 Vivax wrote:
The thing is, people are less prone to believe your scumreads if they believe you're scum in the first place. I don't see why Foolish should completely disregard defending himself just cause he claims to be unlynchable, also his post was a long story of thought process throughout the game, so the points to his defense come, let's say naturally.
Look austin, from your perspective, it's the start of the day, so a lot of people want to lynch you. You could simply tell your scumreads, or you could tell your scumreads and defend yourself to make yourself more credible.
The latter is always a better option, unlynchable or not. We agree that you should still be defending yourself and getting reads out there.
But his defense is suspect to me, because of his claimed role and because he seems to have taken A and B into account, but not C, which I don't understand.
He also didn't defend himself at the start of the day, he waited until all the nuke stuff blew over. That's...neither here nor there, I don't think that matters all too much, but at the start of the day he got like 4 votes and some other suspicions, nuked yamato, and then peaced out for half a day (apart from dropping a weird comment on risk.nuke). Instead of explaining himself, he fired the first nuke of the day and dipped, and you saw what the thread was like for a long time.
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Austin, what's your read on risk.nuke?
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Austin what is your problem with foolishness being town currently?
Do you think that that long post was scum lying several thousand times?
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Anyway, how does ANY of this make you think I am scum?
You went against your own reasons simple.
Arguing against it with other points that are unrelated (changing your mind afterwards) won't change anything about that.
1. Using something as a point against someone you did yourself. Doesn't matter if Iamp was scumread or not, you said he looks bad cause of something you did as well. You say people on the Bugs wagon with weak reasons are suspicious. That includes you.
You announced you would want to lynch Ver. You didn't want to lynch Ver (while still posting he looks bad during the day, a few hours difference between the posts don't make a difference between about to be modkilled/not about to be modkilled, also you didn't give any reasoning for preferring Foolishness over him.)
And anyway, Ver has been replaced by darth punk, so I suppose the guy he's playing is not about to get modkilled anymore, how does that change things for you?
You announced you would not lynch Foolish if the nukes were fake. You voted Foolish with the nukes being fake.
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Town foolishness has more fun than this
Marv I eagerly await your digging in to foolishness's narrative about his actions. I will not vote until I read that post from you.
Tbh I find it unlikely that corazon and vivax are scum together. However I think it is likely that corazon is scum. However I also think foolishness and vivax's interactions make them look like scum together. Unsure what this says about vivax for me.
Still think risk is scum, same reasons as last time. Austin and Yamato, care to give me reads on risk?
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i don't think foolishness is unlynchable. he is either lying to stall time or he has some kind of limited power similar to what prplhz said he had.
his case on marvel is mostly just either misrepresentation or does not even have anything to do with being mafia. notice how he ignores the game that is similar in style to this (LVIII) and instead focuses on a much older game, notice how he cherrypicks posts from parallel worlds that appear very calm and collected in the "trap" part and ignores the more emotional stuff.
kill foolishness.
also does anyone even remember that stutters is playing in this game? he has not mentioned a single thing about what is going on today or taken a stance on whether foolishness is scum, only dropped in twice to say nothing.
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On March 15 2013 00:23 strongandbig wrote:
Town foolishness has more fun than this
Marv I eagerly await your digging in to foolishness's narrative about his actions. I will not vote until I read that post from you.
Tbh I find it unlikely that corazon and vivax are scum together. However I think it is likely that corazon is scum. However I also think foolishness and vivax's interactions make them look like scum together. Unsure what this says about vivax for me.
Still think risk is scum, same reasons as last time. Austin and Yamato, care to give me reads on risk?
I just sifted his filter but I already requested Austin's read for good reason, so I'm going to wait for that.
I am happy you thought of him just as I did, however.
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On March 15 2013 00:24 DarthPunk wrote:
Holy Crap reading this thread is painful.
I've skipped a good 30 pages at times and I've missed very little important stuff.
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oatsmaster, just because a post is long does not mean anything. in bureaucracy foolish made a giant case on bill murray that looked very fancy but did not really say anything much:
+ Show Spoiler +On July 19 2012 12:31 Foolishness wrote:Bill Murray!Think to yourself: is Bill Murray actually Bill Murray this game? It's an easy enough question to answer: no. Because he is mafia. The items that characterize Bill Murray's usual town play are absent from this game. Consequently, it is easy to see that this game matches his mafia behavior. The running joke on the forum about Bill Murray's alignment is that the more chaos he causes the more likely he is to be town. This has been seen over time as in the far past the games he broke the rules in he was usually town. Even today it is true, he is just much more mature about his posts. Simply put: Bill Murray is much more spammy in games where he is town. This should make sense; everyone in this game has played with Bill Murray as far as I can see. Recently in Holy Roman where Bill Murray was town, he busted out four pages of posts within the first day alone. In two games where Bill Murray is mafia, Mafia LIII and Mafia LVI, by the end of day 1 he had less than two pages worth of posts (LVI he had about 1, LIII had about 1.5). How many pages of posts does Bill Murray have this game at the end of day 1? Less than 1 page, and closer to half a page than a page. This may seem a bit out there, but it's certainly significant. When Bill Murray is town he posts twice as much as he does when he's mafia. That's a very noticable difference, especially for Bill Murray who can be very spammy. You shouldn't even have to check his filter to know that he had less than 1 page in his filter by the end of day 1. I know there was a point day 1 where someone made a post like, "wtf Bill Murray is in this game?". Bill Murray loves to ride the inactive train to mafia victory. Before we do some more comparison to other games, take a look at what Bill Murray has accomplished this game. Needless to say he has been all over the place. This is not uncommon of Bill Murray nor does it strongly indicate his alignment. But his best post this game is probably the one he made against me: Show nested quote +On July 18 2012 17:51 Bill Murray wrote:I feel like WBG and I are clearly town for our reaction to Chezinu Rastaban is reading as town Foolishness/Syllogism/Kurumi (for sandroba unless he was trolling) as scum so far + one of BH/Chez On July 18 2012 17:45 syllogism wrote:There is no way Foolishness is town in this game. he didn't even bother to address any of the things said about hisplay so far when earlier he was complaining about me handwading something completely inconsequential. Just look at his filter after he showed up again. He never bothered to voice his opinion on any of the candidates and never moved his vote despite promising he would On July 18 2012 09:19 Foolishness wrote:On July 18 2012 08:50 HiroPro wrote:
Where is Foolishness -_- Deciding where to move my vote to. This is chaotic guys. Actually, his whole filter is quite devoid of any content other than his laughable case against me. Someone shoot him tonight, thanks. I completely agree. Came back to see some more filters, saw this post, had to reply. I feel this is against Foolishness's meta... hence him being my #1 suspect. His wall posting has been lacking, and I feel like he has been trying to push from the background without committing because he is a lower level minion that doesn't want to lynch someone up the chain. I also dislike him attacking people for wasted votes, when his was useless. Hypocritical. He did voice his opinion, but did nothing about it... even worse than holding it in, because it is information without action. The issue here isn't about what's being said but about when it was said. He is essentially just restating arguments that were already laid out in full by wherebugsgo, syllogism, and sandroba. Bill Murray came late to the game. Has he provided something to the town that's genuine and fresh? No. He waits to see what the town thinks before trying to weigh in a contribution. But that aside what other posts has Bill Murray made that are of interest this game? One of my favorites is: Show nested quote +On July 18 2012 13:53 Bill Murray wrote:
ill vote BH then? I really don't care at this point; it's just day one. We all know apathy is a trait many mafia possess. Outside of that, it was interesting to watch him go from wanting to kill Chezinu without a second thought: Show nested quote +On July 18 2012 13:56 Bill Murray wrote:
I am ok with it, as if he is a cop, we kill chezinu To thinking he is town the next day: Show nested quote +On July 19 2012 09:32 Bill Murray wrote:
I will be the first to tell you that Mattchew voting me, or wanting to nuke me, is a complete nulltell, and is only a result of his stupidity.
However, Chezinu is reading as town to me. Outside of all this there's nothing you can say about him. He's done nothing. He said gonzaw was making excuses but never said anything more. He's made a troll post or two. He's defended himself in the typical Bill Murray style (which he does both as town and mafia). He has not helped the town nor has he made any real effort other than jumping the bandwagon on myself. What's missing from his filter that should be there? Bill Murray when he is town always tries to help in one way or another. The typical way is by calling people out on their bullshit, Bill Murray style. But that hasn't happened this game. In games where he is town Bill Murray always makes long posts in between his one liners and ever-increasing troll posts. For example take this post from Holy Roman mafia (he was town). I spoilered it cause it's long: + Show Spoiler +On May 10 2012 21:20 Bill Murray wrote:Show nested quote +On May 10 2012 21:01 Acrofales wrote:On May 10 2012 20:49 Bill Murray wrote:
I have made more replies and reads to posts in this game than I have made in my last 2 scum games combined
Your play is structured and logical AS BOTH SIDES, meaning you're not an easy read for people who are logical, with no sense like me. I have sense, whereas people like Hassy don't.
They can't read you
I can
I know you are town
but i know you are really fucking confused right now because you're in a position to lead, and you don't know what to do.
You got backed into this when you claimed, so take it.
To say my posts are all over the place as town is probably true, but you're admitting that I'm posting all over the place right now, which contradicts what you said about me not being transparent. You seem to admit this by saying I have good reads in my wall.
1 question for you: Who is more likely to go back on their own reads in the same post, town or scum?
I'd also like to apologize. I am sorry I called you a bitch, Hassy. It's 7:47 comin outta the sky, gonna take me down to memphis for a midnight ride we gonna move playin in a travellin band
yeah
flyin cross the land
trynna get a hand
playin in a travelin band
WWHOOOOOOHOHHOHOO This is what I mean with you being completely confusing as both town and scum. You make quite a decent point and then draw completely wrong conclusions from it. 1. Your wall post is decent because it reveals a lot of information about you (not necessarily about the people you are posting about). It's quite a townie thing to do. However, you continuously obfuscate townie moves by posting random stuff. This makes you exceptionally bad as an emperor/empress, as I don't want to be second-guessing you all the time. 2. Changing opinion often is something I am FAR more likely to do as town than scum. Mainly because as scum I already KNOW who is scum and don't need to second-guess myself. I can pick some random townies and start building up bogus cases on them. I don't need to change opinion unless someone "convinces" me. However, as town, I don't know who is scum and who is town and will be far more inclined to try to look at things from both sides and find reasons for actions in either a scum, or a town motivation, without being biased either way. As scum, I can be completely free to nail someone to the cross with a case painting out all the little slips they made during the game. As town, I must always be aware that someone playing scummy might still be a delusional town. 3. Posting all over the place doesn't make you transparent if you do it regardless of alignment. The only thing that can be said in its favour is that by posting a LOT, you give a LOT to analyze. However, the longer a game goes on, the less I enjoy going through giant filters. I'm going to man up on this one, because I honestly feel I need to 1) you are misguided town 2) you are in a position of power therefore you are misguided town in a position of power therefore you can fuck us over with an indecision... or hurt us... and oh, baby, don't hurt me don't hurt me, no more. when you said "Your wall post is decent because it reveals a lot of information about you ", how does it do that? You said that it doesn't reveal information about who I'm posting about, but you contradict that later when you say you agree with my scumhunting and reads You say "As town, I must always be aware that someone playing scummy might still be a delusional town.", which is true, but it can work both ways. Someone who is not only acting pro-town, but acting pro-town as town, can be delusional town. look at yourself you're "all over the place" even in this one post, whereas I have not contradicted myself once in terms of how I feel about things. What people do, in terms of their actions, speak louder than their words. Acrofales, I expected you to write me off as town due to my effort, but your obtuseness, your parroting of my point earlier, and your inability to address that has me questioning having sent your name in as emperor, and you being town. I'm honestly regretting it right now, and I should have gone with my first instinct. I'd have rather voted for that annoying cube than you right now. Show nested quote +On May 10 2012 21:09 Acrofales wrote:On May 10 2012 20:52 zelblade wrote:
Not bad, half our smurfs have been wiped out. I think theres like 4 more people before we find WBG.
Also I find it very very hard to believe that Acro didnt know why he was shot n1 (or 2 idc) in SSM, considering the post game discussion and stuff. + Show Spoiler [offtopic justification for SSM] +
Pfft, most of the post-game was emo QQ about the setup. People calling Sandro a cheater, people calling DrH a bad host and people generally being nasty to eachother. If you think the reason I got shot was in any way memorable in the crap that was the post-game analysis you're nuts. All I remember is telling Sandro and MrZentor who I was going to bomb. Neither of those were scum. The only other person to know I even had an item should have been Chaoser, who was also not scum. Of course, Sandro shared quite a bit of info with Bugs, so that could've been info that slipped. Of course, I was very near to bombing Coag, which would've gotten a scum blown up.
Ontopic: fine, I am perfectly happy to retract that statement. Scum has always had a good reason to shoot me (early in the game). I believe I am currently giving them another good reason to shoot me by being active and trying to get other people to post actively and stop trolling (I believe that a good number of us are doing that now, so yay). I believe I will be a good emperor and will lead town to victory. Ok, why does scum have a good reason to shoot you? Because you were the only person making wall posts? You said yourself you're active as both town and scum... how, then, does that confirm you at all? hint: it doesn't Show nested quote +On May 10 2012 21:10 zelblade wrote:On May 10 2012 21:04 Hassybaby wrote:On May 10 2012 21:02 zelblade wrote:On May 10 2012 20:56 Hassybaby wrote:On May 10 2012 20:48 zelblade wrote:On May 10 2012 20:46 Hassybaby wrote:
If i was to pick right now, it would probably be Carolus or Jitsu Why Jitsu? Care to tell us? From the way it's worded, I think the heretic ability is a one-time use. Jitsu's one of those players who doesn't fuck around and will use it sensibly. On top of this, I really think it's a pro-town ability no matter who get's it. The only way it would not be is if the Archbishop doesn't use it, at which point we kill him and the Emperor re-assigns it. Same reason for syllo/sand, but they have the benefit of two brains so they can pick a better target. Hopefully No it isnt a pro-town ability no matter who gets it. Its a free rolecheck for scum, and if it works for frames (No idea about this just speculation).... Yes its still useful to an extent, but why give it to scum when no scum archbishop will ever deliever a [unless frames work/its a bus] scum check? By saying that you are willing to elect Jitsu as you archbishop means you are relatively sure he is town. I am strongly suspicious that you seem to want to elect him simply because he is supposedly good, and its good no matter how who gets it. I dont see a single reason why you think hes town, only what good he could do with it IF hes town. Yes. at this moment i don't think anyone is town. Therefore I gave names about who I think is good. It's also a free rolecheck for everyone, not just scum. Re-read the mention. If scum outs a blue, we know who to protect as well as vigs won't shoot them. Still beneficial Yes but if scum gets it its power is drastically reduced, and if scum have some way of messing it up we are more likely than not going to blow a lynch on a townie. I am not going to vote for Hassy for two reasons. 1) I will not support Jitsu for archbishop - He has done nothing this game, I dont care how "good" he is when all he has done is try (and not even try hard) to be empreor. 2) I think Hassy is looking sketchy atm. It's definitely a good ability for scum to be able to blue snipe, even deductively, depending on who they flip I'm glad Zelblade called Acrofales a noobie before I did I was starting to feel like I'm just sleep deprived in having a village idiot read on him Acrofales, you think people are voting you because of your walls? They're not. They're voting you because of your claim. Unlike them, however, I don't stick to reads, and you definitely parroted me Show nested quote +On May 10 2012 21:12 Forumite wrote:On May 10 2012 20:52 zelblade wrote:
Not bad, half our smurfs have been wiped out. I think theres like 4 more people before we find WBG.
Also I find it very very hard to believe that Acro didnt know why he was shot n1 (or 2 idc) in SSM, considering the post game discussion and stuff. WBG is BagManager, the smurf he used in Bastard Mafia. Yeah. You made a good catch on that, possibly. Show nested quote +On May 10 2012 21:13 Carolus Magnus wrote:
Do we know anything about mafia team size?
I hope I haven't been tricked into playing another multi faction game I actually speculated something about this, but I don't want to give away too much information. Ask me about it when I wake up. Show nested quote +On May 10 2012 21:16 Bluelightz wrote:On May 10 2012 21:12 Companion Cube wrote:IN THE CASE I DO NOT GET ENOUGH LOVE TO BECOME AN EMPESS OR HER HAIR... (HEIR?)
I WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT NO-ONE APPOINTS ME FOR ARCHBISHOP.
CHANCELLOR IS FINE, HOWEVER.
I AM GLAD TO SEE THAT PEOPLE ARE STARTING TO STEP UP THEIR PLAY.
I AM NOT GOING TO START ANSWERING RANDOM READ QUESTIONS AT THIS POINT.
BECAUSE I DO NOT THINK YOU CAN ACCURATELY DETERMINE SOMEONE'S ALIGNMENT ALREADY.
BUT I DO WANT TO CO-OPERATE WITH THOSE OF THE MIGHTY HAMBURGER BLOODLINE.
♥ Hello, Would you like to marry me companion cube? marry carolus mafnus The important part is how he explained his thought process on Acrofales. Note how direct he is in saying what he thinks and how he's actively trying to figure things out. This is the town Bill Murray. We all know that he loves the game and is quite competitive, so posts like these fit right in with what you would expect out of him. When he's mafia, posts like these are absent from his filter. He doesn't actively speak his thoughts or convey his feelings. And that's exactly what he's doing this game as well. He had other posts where he explained his thought process that game. One of them is very very long so I've omitted it (you'll find it if you look through his filter for that game. Remember he is town here). But you can always find the posts where he explains his reads. In this game it was in list form: + Show Spoiler +On May 11 2012 07:46 Bill Murray wrote:
Alright. Acrofales may not be parroting me, and might be genuine still.
Considering he is going to be the Emperor, there is no point in gunning there
I am much more suspicious of OpZ/Carolus/Mattchew of the recent posters that I formerly had town reads on
People that were scummy that aren't as bad include Forumite, Drazerk, and MG
Mattchew - town
A.T.L.A.S. - town
P-Body - not touching with a 10 foot pole until someone will decode
Laika - lurking dog
Companion Cube - want to lynch if i dont see scumhunting; too focused on buddying
OpZ - scum via meta
Adam4167 - dont believe ive seen much from him, but ive seen him play as town before, so i should be ok
U - town
YES_THIS_IS_DOG - lurker/inactive
The_Bard - good taste in music, but other than that, very null
Carolus Magnus - scum
QuickSilver7 - town
Mr. Potatohead - lurking scum
Itouchyou - lurking town
Hassybaby - scum
Drazerk - town
Strongandbig - town
Vaderseven - v7 is in this game?
Quatol - lurker, one post saying they needed to read the thread
Bluelightz - town
Zelblade - town
Sinani206 - town
Kurumi - town
erandor - town
Acrofales - town
MajuGarzett - town
Forumite - town
Jitsu - town
bagmanager - scum
Bill Murray - town
so i have like 5-6 scum naturally... i am not 100%, but this is just general Another good example of his town play is from Death Factory mafia. It's easy to scroll through and find posts that he makes where he explains his thoughts about other players in the game: + Show Spoiler +On April 04 2012 20:24 Bill Murray wrote:Show nested quote +On April 04 2012 15:32 wherebugsgo wrote:
I'm actually curious to see what other players say first. There is plenty of time in the day and there's no rush.
I'd like to use time to get more reads, rather than idly talk about things we've already been talking about.
risk.nuke, layabout, Wiggles, Mattchew, and Bill Murray: I want you to do the bulk of the talking. Go. Tell us what you would like to do right now and who you would like to kill. Syllogism - I want to test Cephiro's hard-softclaim. He isn't outright claiming any investigative ability, whether, if he has it or not, it is multiple or single use, or anything, but his softclaim was as close to a guilty claim as I have seen in a long time. I don't want to not test that. PRP - Like syllo, I feel like his interactions with WBG, and the way he responded to the Cephiro ordeal, is pretty damning. I am willing to lynch him off of associative tells, but I'd like to flip syllo first. Tobon - Though he has been looking better, with his defense being "noone has made a case on me, therefore I can't be scum", and all the flak he has gotten, he has my eyebrows raised. Bluelightz - I really wouldn't mind losing him, even if he is town. He is not a VI, I don't think, so I feel like he is playing dumb as scum. I am not sure, however, that he isn't a little kid that wanders, lost, into the middle of the movie theatre... but with an AK. And again you can find other long posts that are always present in his town play: + Show Spoiler +On April 04 2012 20:37 Bill Murray wrote:Either way we need to get the above four out of here. I would want to wait until the lights come back on, and I'm kind of scared to do anything due to VE dying... If your interaction with syllo wasn't completely 100% scummy, I would feel like you were town WBG. I do have a leaned townread on you, but it's not 100% like I felt about Palmar, because you could potentially be throwing syllogism under the bus. I only say this because your questioning of him felt too good, to where it looked like an act. If you're really that good, and that was the building up, and prelude of a great case, bravo. We haven't been using our PoPs correctly. Now, I'm not a dictator, as I'm not confirmed or anything like an innocent child (definitely not bluelightz lol  ), so I'm not going to boss people around in a "Soviet Russia make you push or pull like want" way, only sort of. We need to hold people accountable, loosen up, and ask people questions. Scum will eventually become illogical... it wears on you being scum. Here's to hoping so, at least. reasons you should believe I'm town: 1) I actually want our next course of action to be to consolidate pushes or pulls around what Snarf wants to do, but I know the thread won't go for it, and would lash out against me, so I'm not touching it with a ten-foot-pole. 2) proposing someone else leads versus myself... kind of having second thoughts on that, though 3) personal meta of lack of night posting, whereas, as scum, i'd post in the night /wifom Honestly, though, I can't really be sure snarfs is town... 1) Godfather 2) I could be naive 3) Snarfs has a Lawyer, possibly Qatol
4) I could be ... no, VE flipped town... I can't be insane... not in the game at least :D
...A role changing ability, or busdriveronly the first two are valid, where my ability was day use However, I feel comfortable leading myself, if you all aren't satisfied listening to Snarfs. I'm not saying to not scumhunt, and to turn into sheep. I'm just saying that people are really looking to be prone to wasting their pushes and pulls without any sense of order, which allows for scum to blend in, and that should be our first mission as a town to prevent If you look at his mafia games, in particular, Area LIII and LVI, you'll find these long posts are absent. For instance in LVI his longest post was a nice little: Show nested quote +On June 30 2012 19:32 Bill Murray wrote:
Acrofales, it's not OMGUS when I have reasoning
You have chainsawed
You have also set up a chance for a weak ass switch to the BW on BKExe
scummy as fuck
##unvote
##vote acro Granted he did get shot night 1. In LIII his longest post was: Show nested quote +On April 27 2012 14:14 Bill Murray wrote:There is someone who doesn't care who dies today, as long as it is not scum. A person who was all over VE, who layabout himself suspected. MG. Other people I would like to lynch include Sentinel, for a case detailed by Gonzaw, and St. Daniel for his activity elsewhere, but not here (though he might be a power role). On April 25 2012 05:17 MidnightGladius wrote:
Are you arguing that I should have been more convinced of VE's innocence, despite his scummy play, and pushed people off of his lynch? Perhaps I could have, but hindsight is cruel, and I would have not wanted to have been led to a no-lynch. Like I said in the post you only partially quoted, I highly doubt that I could have convinced the people voting for VE to move off of him.
Would I have liked to have been perfectly certain and pulled a ton of pressure to move votes off of VE? Sure. Did I think it was the right, or feasible, idea at the time? No. MG is wording this like a politician. He knows defense is overrated, but that isn't the point. He isn't going to defend him anyways.He has been uncaring, even for a no lynch His name is MidnightGladius. ##Vote: MidnightGladius Which is nowhere near of the calibre that you see in his town games. Furthermore you can see in this accusation post (remember he is mafia this game) that he only accused MG after others had gone after him (he says so himself in this post). This is easy to see from his filter in that game because this is the first time he's ever talked about MG. This is exactly what he's done this game. He doesn't make any mention of me, but once a handful of people say I'm mafia he immediately hops aboard the train trying to contribute. Exactly what he did as mafia in LIII with MidnightGladius.
Summary of why Bill Murray is mafia: 1) Overall inactivity. He hasn't done anything this game. Do any of the posts he's made stick out at you as memorable? 2) Spam level. He's had zero spam this game. There is a noticeable difference in his spamminess when he is town and mafia. This game it is consistent with his mafia play. 3) No long posts. When Bill Murray is town, he makes posts that are paragraphs long. When he is mafia he never does such a thing. This game he hasn't made a post longer than ~5 sentences. 4) Lack of thoughts or accusations. When he is town he is not afraid to call someone out or make a long (relative to him) accusation post. When he is mafia he is all aboard the sheep train. He even said in a post that he is sheeping and in another post that he thinks sheeping is good for the town.
Obviously have to take care of more pressing mafia first. ##Vote: Kurumi
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On March 15 2013 00:23 HiroPro wrote:
i don't think foolishness is unlynchable. he is either lying to stall time or he has some kind of limited power similar to what prplhz said he had.
his case on marvel is mostly just either misrepresentation or does not even have anything to do with being mafia. notice how he ignores the game that is similar in style to this (LVIII) and instead focuses on a much older game, notice how he cherrypicks posts from parallel worlds that appear very calm and collected in the "trap" part and ignores the more emotional stuff.
kill foolishness.
also does anyone even remember that stutters is playing in this game? he has not mentioned a single thing about what is going on today or taken a stance on whether foolishness is scum, only dropped in twice to say nothing.
Yes, Foolish dies today.
I think Stutters being afk is standard Stutters, but I will give his filter a look see. You have been pushing him all game.
What are some other reads. If you take the Foolish thing out of the equation, how do you view Marvellosity?
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On March 15 2013 00:26 yamato77 wrote:Show nested quote +On March 15 2013 00:24 DarthPunk wrote:
Holy Crap reading this thread is painful. I've skipped a good 30 pages at times and I've missed very little important stuff.
I was all like better read marvs filter. 26 pages. :o
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Acro please ignore vivax
Anyone who quotes vivax from now on gets a scummy point.
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+ Show Spoiler +On March 15 2013 00:17 austinmcc wrote:Show nested quote +On March 15 2013 00:13 Vivax wrote:
The thing is, people are less prone to believe your scumreads if they believe you're scum in the first place. I don't see why Foolish should completely disregard defending himself just cause he claims to be unlynchable, also his post was a long story of thought process throughout the game, so the points to his defense come, let's say naturally.
Look austin, from your perspective, it's the start of the day, so a lot of people want to lynch you. You could simply tell your scumreads, or you could tell your scumreads and defend yourself to make yourself more credible.
The latter is always a better option, unlynchable or not. We agree that you should still be defending yourself and getting reads out there. But his defense is suspect to me, because of his claimed role and because he seems to have taken A and B into account, but not C, which I don't understand. He also didn't defend himself at the start of the day, he waited until all the nuke stuff blew over. That's...neither here nor there, I don't think that matters all too much, but at the start of the day he got like 4 votes and some other suspicions, nuked yamato, and then peaced out for half a day (apart from dropping a weird comment on risk.nuke). Instead of explaining himself, he fired the first nuke of the day and dipped, and you saw what the thread was like for a long time.
Well, regarding his nuke: If SlOosh is town then he couldn't know it was fake so he fired his nuke at yamato thinking it was real, he didn't fire it against marv like he would if he was scum and marv town.
I already mentioned this several times however, with marv counter-arguing that he fired the nuke at yamato cause we would argue that he's town for that. But that only makes sense if SlOosh is scum, which seems unlikely.
Why is it unlikely? People were unwilling to lynch nuke targets to see what they flipped. So if SlOosh was scum, he could have stayed silent and hoped to win another day for Foolish without revealing that he created the nukes.
So Foolish tried to vig his scumread, not a supposed town DT/JOAT or whatever.
Therefore he's town.
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On March 15 2013 00:26 yamato77 wrote:Show nested quote +On March 15 2013 00:24 DarthPunk wrote:
Holy Crap reading this thread is painful. I've skipped a good 30 pages at times and I've missed very little important stuff.
Only scum wants to skip pages cause they already know who is scum/town. So therefore nothing is important to them really. Also their scumbuddies can notify them about important things.
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On March 15 2013 00:28 HiroPro wrote:oatsmaster, just because a post is long does not mean anything. in bureaucracy foolish made a giant case on bill murray that looked very fancy but did not really say anything much: + Show Spoiler +On July 19 2012 12:31 Foolishness wrote:Bill Murray!Think to yourself: is Bill Murray actually Bill Murray this game? It's an easy enough question to answer: no. Because he is mafia. The items that characterize Bill Murray's usual town play are absent from this game. Consequently, it is easy to see that this game matches his mafia behavior. The running joke on the forum about Bill Murray's alignment is that the more chaos he causes the more likely he is to be town. This has been seen over time as in the far past the games he broke the rules in he was usually town. Even today it is true, he is just much more mature about his posts. Simply put: Bill Murray is much more spammy in games where he is town. This should make sense; everyone in this game has played with Bill Murray as far as I can see. Recently in Holy Roman where Bill Murray was town, he busted out four pages of posts within the first day alone. In two games where Bill Murray is mafia, Mafia LIII and Mafia LVI, by the end of day 1 he had less than two pages worth of posts (LVI he had about 1, LIII had about 1.5). How many pages of posts does Bill Murray have this game at the end of day 1? Less than 1 page, and closer to half a page than a page. This may seem a bit out there, but it's certainly significant. When Bill Murray is town he posts twice as much as he does when he's mafia. That's a very noticable difference, especially for Bill Murray who can be very spammy. You shouldn't even have to check his filter to know that he had less than 1 page in his filter by the end of day 1. I know there was a point day 1 where someone made a post like, "wtf Bill Murray is in this game?". Bill Murray loves to ride the inactive train to mafia victory. Before we do some more comparison to other games, take a look at what Bill Murray has accomplished this game. Needless to say he has been all over the place. This is not uncommon of Bill Murray nor does it strongly indicate his alignment. But his best post this game is probably the one he made against me: Show nested quote +On July 18 2012 17:51 Bill Murray wrote:I feel like WBG and I are clearly town for our reaction to Chezinu Rastaban is reading as town Foolishness/Syllogism/Kurumi (for sandroba unless he was trolling) as scum so far + one of BH/Chez On July 18 2012 17:45 syllogism wrote:There is no way Foolishness is town in this game. he didn't even bother to address any of the things said about hisplay so far when earlier he was complaining about me handwading something completely inconsequential. Just look at his filter after he showed up again. He never bothered to voice his opinion on any of the candidates and never moved his vote despite promising he would On July 18 2012 09:19 Foolishness wrote:On July 18 2012 08:50 HiroPro wrote:
Where is Foolishness -_- Deciding where to move my vote to. This is chaotic guys. Actually, his whole filter is quite devoid of any content other than his laughable case against me. Someone shoot him tonight, thanks. I completely agree. Came back to see some more filters, saw this post, had to reply. I feel this is against Foolishness's meta... hence him being my #1 suspect. His wall posting has been lacking, and I feel like he has been trying to push from the background without committing because he is a lower level minion that doesn't want to lynch someone up the chain. I also dislike him attacking people for wasted votes, when his was useless. Hypocritical. He did voice his opinion, but did nothing about it... even worse than holding it in, because it is information without action. The issue here isn't about what's being said but about when it was said. He is essentially just restating arguments that were already laid out in full by wherebugsgo, syllogism, and sandroba. Bill Murray came late to the game. Has he provided something to the town that's genuine and fresh? No. He waits to see what the town thinks before trying to weigh in a contribution. But that aside what other posts has Bill Murray made that are of interest this game? One of my favorites is: Show nested quote +On July 18 2012 13:53 Bill Murray wrote:
ill vote BH then? I really don't care at this point; it's just day one. We all know apathy is a trait many mafia possess. Outside of that, it was interesting to watch him go from wanting to kill Chezinu without a second thought: Show nested quote +On July 18 2012 13:56 Bill Murray wrote:
I am ok with it, as if he is a cop, we kill chezinu To thinking he is town the next day: Show nested quote +On July 19 2012 09:32 Bill Murray wrote:
I will be the first to tell you that Mattchew voting me, or wanting to nuke me, is a complete nulltell, and is only a result of his stupidity.
However, Chezinu is reading as town to me. Outside of all this there's nothing you can say about him. He's done nothing. He said gonzaw was making excuses but never said anything more. He's made a troll post or two. He's defended himself in the typical Bill Murray style (which he does both as town and mafia). He has not helped the town nor has he made any real effort other than jumping the bandwagon on myself. What's missing from his filter that should be there? Bill Murray when he is town always tries to help in one way or another. The typical way is by calling people out on their bullshit, Bill Murray style. But that hasn't happened this game. In games where he is town Bill Murray always makes long posts in between his one liners and ever-increasing troll posts. For example take this post from Holy Roman mafia (he was town). I spoilered it cause it's long: + Show Spoiler +On May 10 2012 21:20 Bill Murray wrote:Show nested quote +On May 10 2012 21:01 Acrofales wrote:On May 10 2012 20:49 Bill Murray wrote:
I have made more replies and reads to posts in this game than I have made in my last 2 scum games combined
Your play is structured and logical AS BOTH SIDES, meaning you're not an easy read for people who are logical, with no sense like me. I have sense, whereas people like Hassy don't.
They can't read you
I can
I know you are town
but i know you are really fucking confused right now because you're in a position to lead, and you don't know what to do.
You got backed into this when you claimed, so take it.
To say my posts are all over the place as town is probably true, but you're admitting that I'm posting all over the place right now, which contradicts what you said about me not being transparent. You seem to admit this by saying I have good reads in my wall.
1 question for you: Who is more likely to go back on their own reads in the same post, town or scum?
I'd also like to apologize. I am sorry I called you a bitch, Hassy. It's 7:47 comin outta the sky, gonna take me down to memphis for a midnight ride we gonna move playin in a travellin band
yeah
flyin cross the land
trynna get a hand
playin in a travelin band
WWHOOOOOOHOHHOHOO This is what I mean with you being completely confusing as both town and scum. You make quite a decent point and then draw completely wrong conclusions from it. 1. Your wall post is decent because it reveals a lot of information about you (not necessarily about the people you are posting about). It's quite a townie thing to do. However, you continuously obfuscate townie moves by posting random stuff. This makes you exceptionally bad as an emperor/empress, as I don't want to be second-guessing you all the time. 2. Changing opinion often is something I am FAR more likely to do as town than scum. Mainly because as scum I already KNOW who is scum and don't need to second-guess myself. I can pick some random townies and start building up bogus cases on them. I don't need to change opinion unless someone "convinces" me. However, as town, I don't know who is scum and who is town and will be far more inclined to try to look at things from both sides and find reasons for actions in either a scum, or a town motivation, without being biased either way. As scum, I can be completely free to nail someone to the cross with a case painting out all the little slips they made during the game. As town, I must always be aware that someone playing scummy might still be a delusional town. 3. Posting all over the place doesn't make you transparent if you do it regardless of alignment. The only thing that can be said in its favour is that by posting a LOT, you give a LOT to analyze. However, the longer a game goes on, the less I enjoy going through giant filters. I'm going to man up on this one, because I honestly feel I need to 1) you are misguided town 2) you are in a position of power therefore you are misguided town in a position of power therefore you can fuck us over with an indecision... or hurt us... and oh, baby, don't hurt me don't hurt me, no more. when you said "Your wall post is decent because it reveals a lot of information about you ", how does it do that? You said that it doesn't reveal information about who I'm posting about, but you contradict that later when you say you agree with my scumhunting and reads You say "As town, I must always be aware that someone playing scummy might still be a delusional town.", which is true, but it can work both ways. Someone who is not only acting pro-town, but acting pro-town as town, can be delusional town. look at yourself you're "all over the place" even in this one post, whereas I have not contradicted myself once in terms of how I feel about things. What people do, in terms of their actions, speak louder than their words. Acrofales, I expected you to write me off as town due to my effort, but your obtuseness, your parroting of my point earlier, and your inability to address that has me questioning having sent your name in as emperor, and you being town. I'm honestly regretting it right now, and I should have gone with my first instinct. I'd have rather voted for that annoying cube than you right now. Show nested quote +On May 10 2012 21:09 Acrofales wrote:On May 10 2012 20:52 zelblade wrote:
Not bad, half our smurfs have been wiped out. I think theres like 4 more people before we find WBG.
Also I find it very very hard to believe that Acro didnt know why he was shot n1 (or 2 idc) in SSM, considering the post game discussion and stuff. + Show Spoiler [offtopic justification for SSM] +
Pfft, most of the post-game was emo QQ about the setup. People calling Sandro a cheater, people calling DrH a bad host and people generally being nasty to eachother. If you think the reason I got shot was in any way memorable in the crap that was the post-game analysis you're nuts. All I remember is telling Sandro and MrZentor who I was going to bomb. Neither of those were scum. The only other person to know I even had an item should have been Chaoser, who was also not scum. Of course, Sandro shared quite a bit of info with Bugs, so that could've been info that slipped. Of course, I was very near to bombing Coag, which would've gotten a scum blown up.
Ontopic: fine, I am perfectly happy to retract that statement. Scum has always had a good reason to shoot me (early in the game). I believe I am currently giving them another good reason to shoot me by being active and trying to get other people to post actively and stop trolling (I believe that a good number of us are doing that now, so yay). I believe I will be a good emperor and will lead town to victory. Ok, why does scum have a good reason to shoot you? Because you were the only person making wall posts? You said yourself you're active as both town and scum... how, then, does that confirm you at all? hint: it doesn't Show nested quote +On May 10 2012 21:10 zelblade wrote:On May 10 2012 21:04 Hassybaby wrote:On May 10 2012 21:02 zelblade wrote:On May 10 2012 20:56 Hassybaby wrote:On May 10 2012 20:48 zelblade wrote:On May 10 2012 20:46 Hassybaby wrote:
If i was to pick right now, it would probably be Carolus or Jitsu Why Jitsu? Care to tell us? From the way it's worded, I think the heretic ability is a one-time use. Jitsu's one of those players who doesn't fuck around and will use it sensibly. On top of this, I really think it's a pro-town ability no matter who get's it. The only way it would not be is if the Archbishop doesn't use it, at which point we kill him and the Emperor re-assigns it. Same reason for syllo/sand, but they have the benefit of two brains so they can pick a better target. Hopefully No it isnt a pro-town ability no matter who gets it. Its a free rolecheck for scum, and if it works for frames (No idea about this just speculation).... Yes its still useful to an extent, but why give it to scum when no scum archbishop will ever deliever a [unless frames work/its a bus] scum check? By saying that you are willing to elect Jitsu as you archbishop means you are relatively sure he is town. I am strongly suspicious that you seem to want to elect him simply because he is supposedly good, and its good no matter how who gets it. I dont see a single reason why you think hes town, only what good he could do with it IF hes town. Yes. at this moment i don't think anyone is town. Therefore I gave names about who I think is good. It's also a free rolecheck for everyone, not just scum. Re-read the mention. If scum outs a blue, we know who to protect as well as vigs won't shoot them. Still beneficial Yes but if scum gets it its power is drastically reduced, and if scum have some way of messing it up we are more likely than not going to blow a lynch on a townie. I am not going to vote for Hassy for two reasons. 1) I will not support Jitsu for archbishop - He has done nothing this game, I dont care how "good" he is when all he has done is try (and not even try hard) to be empreor. 2) I think Hassy is looking sketchy atm. It's definitely a good ability for scum to be able to blue snipe, even deductively, depending on who they flip I'm glad Zelblade called Acrofales a noobie before I did I was starting to feel like I'm just sleep deprived in having a village idiot read on him Acrofales, you think people are voting you because of your walls? They're not. They're voting you because of your claim. Unlike them, however, I don't stick to reads, and you definitely parroted me Show nested quote +On May 10 2012 21:12 Forumite wrote:On May 10 2012 20:52 zelblade wrote:
Not bad, half our smurfs have been wiped out. I think theres like 4 more people before we find WBG.
Also I find it very very hard to believe that Acro didnt know why he was shot n1 (or 2 idc) in SSM, considering the post game discussion and stuff. WBG is BagManager, the smurf he used in Bastard Mafia. Yeah. You made a good catch on that, possibly. Show nested quote +On May 10 2012 21:13 Carolus Magnus wrote:
Do we know anything about mafia team size?
I hope I haven't been tricked into playing another multi faction game I actually speculated something about this, but I don't want to give away too much information. Ask me about it when I wake up. Show nested quote +On May 10 2012 21:16 Bluelightz wrote:On May 10 2012 21:12 Companion Cube wrote:IN THE CASE I DO NOT GET ENOUGH LOVE TO BECOME AN EMPESS OR HER HAIR... (HEIR?)
I WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT NO-ONE APPOINTS ME FOR ARCHBISHOP.
CHANCELLOR IS FINE, HOWEVER.
I AM GLAD TO SEE THAT PEOPLE ARE STARTING TO STEP UP THEIR PLAY.
I AM NOT GOING TO START ANSWERING RANDOM READ QUESTIONS AT THIS POINT.
BECAUSE I DO NOT THINK YOU CAN ACCURATELY DETERMINE SOMEONE'S ALIGNMENT ALREADY.
BUT I DO WANT TO CO-OPERATE WITH THOSE OF THE MIGHTY HAMBURGER BLOODLINE.
♥ Hello, Would you like to marry me companion cube? marry carolus mafnus The important part is how he explained his thought process on Acrofales. Note how direct he is in saying what he thinks and how he's actively trying to figure things out. This is the town Bill Murray. We all know that he loves the game and is quite competitive, so posts like these fit right in with what you would expect out of him. When he's mafia, posts like these are absent from his filter. He doesn't actively speak his thoughts or convey his feelings. And that's exactly what he's doing this game as well. He had other posts where he explained his thought process that game. One of them is very very long so I've omitted it (you'll find it if you look through his filter for that game. Remember he is town here). But you can always find the posts where he explains his reads. In this game it was in list form: + Show Spoiler +On May 11 2012 07:46 Bill Murray wrote:
Alright. Acrofales may not be parroting me, and might be genuine still.
Considering he is going to be the Emperor, there is no point in gunning there
I am much more suspicious of OpZ/Carolus/Mattchew of the recent posters that I formerly had town reads on
People that were scummy that aren't as bad include Forumite, Drazerk, and MG
Mattchew - town
A.T.L.A.S. - town
P-Body - not touching with a 10 foot pole until someone will decode
Laika - lurking dog
Companion Cube - want to lynch if i dont see scumhunting; too focused on buddying
OpZ - scum via meta
Adam4167 - dont believe ive seen much from him, but ive seen him play as town before, so i should be ok
U - town
YES_THIS_IS_DOG - lurker/inactive
The_Bard - good taste in music, but other than that, very null
Carolus Magnus - scum
QuickSilver7 - town
Mr. Potatohead - lurking scum
Itouchyou - lurking town
Hassybaby - scum
Drazerk - town
Strongandbig - town
Vaderseven - v7 is in this game?
Quatol - lurker, one post saying they needed to read the thread
Bluelightz - town
Zelblade - town
Sinani206 - town
Kurumi - town
erandor - town
Acrofales - town
MajuGarzett - town
Forumite - town
Jitsu - town
bagmanager - scum
Bill Murray - town
so i have like 5-6 scum naturally... i am not 100%, but this is just general Another good example of his town play is from Death Factory mafia. It's easy to scroll through and find posts that he makes where he explains his thoughts about other players in the game: + Show Spoiler +On April 04 2012 20:24 Bill Murray wrote:Show nested quote +On April 04 2012 15:32 wherebugsgo wrote:
I'm actually curious to see what other players say first. There is plenty of time in the day and there's no rush.
I'd like to use time to get more reads, rather than idly talk about things we've already been talking about.
risk.nuke, layabout, Wiggles, Mattchew, and Bill Murray: I want you to do the bulk of the talking. Go. Tell us what you would like to do right now and who you would like to kill. Syllogism - I want to test Cephiro's hard-softclaim. He isn't outright claiming any investigative ability, whether, if he has it or not, it is multiple or single use, or anything, but his softclaim was as close to a guilty claim as I have seen in a long time. I don't want to not test that. PRP - Like syllo, I feel like his interactions with WBG, and the way he responded to the Cephiro ordeal, is pretty damning. I am willing to lynch him off of associative tells, but I'd like to flip syllo first. Tobon - Though he has been looking better, with his defense being "noone has made a case on me, therefore I can't be scum", and all the flak he has gotten, he has my eyebrows raised. Bluelightz - I really wouldn't mind losing him, even if he is town. He is not a VI, I don't think, so I feel like he is playing dumb as scum. I am not sure, however, that he isn't a little kid that wanders, lost, into the middle of the movie theatre... but with an AK. And again you can find other long posts that are always present in his town play: + Show Spoiler +On April 04 2012 20:37 Bill Murray wrote:Either way we need to get the above four out of here. I would want to wait until the lights come back on, and I'm kind of scared to do anything due to VE dying... If your interaction with syllo wasn't completely 100% scummy, I would feel like you were town WBG. I do have a leaned townread on you, but it's not 100% like I felt about Palmar, because you could potentially be throwing syllogism under the bus. I only say this because your questioning of him felt too good, to where it looked like an act. If you're really that good, and that was the building up, and prelude of a great case, bravo. We haven't been using our PoPs correctly. Now, I'm not a dictator, as I'm not confirmed or anything like an innocent child (definitely not bluelightz lol ), so I'm not going to boss people around in a "Soviet Russia make you push or pull like want" way, only sort of. We need to hold people accountable, loosen up, and ask people questions. Scum will eventually become illogical... it wears on you being scum. Here's to hoping so, at least. reasons you should believe I'm town: 1) I actually want our next course of action to be to consolidate pushes or pulls around what Snarf wants to do, but I know the thread won't go for it, and would lash out against me, so I'm not touching it with a ten-foot-pole. 2) proposing someone else leads versus myself... kind of having second thoughts on that, though 3) personal meta of lack of night posting, whereas, as scum, i'd post in the night /wifom Honestly, though, I can't really be sure snarfs is town... 1) Godfather 2) I could be naive 3) Snarfs has a Lawyer, possibly Qatol
4) I could be ... no, VE flipped town... I can't be insane... not in the game at least :D
...A role changing ability, or busdriveronly the first two are valid, where my ability was day use However, I feel comfortable leading myself, if you all aren't satisfied listening to Snarfs. I'm not saying to not scumhunt, and to turn into sheep. I'm just saying that people are really looking to be prone to wasting their pushes and pulls without any sense of order, which allows for scum to blend in, and that should be our first mission as a town to prevent If you look at his mafia games, in particular, Area LIII and LVI, you'll find these long posts are absent. For instance in LVI his longest post was a nice little: Show nested quote +On June 30 2012 19:32 Bill Murray wrote:
Acrofales, it's not OMGUS when I have reasoning
You have chainsawed
You have also set up a chance for a weak ass switch to the BW on BKExe
scummy as fuck
##unvote
##vote acro Granted he did get shot night 1. In LIII his longest post was: Show nested quote +On April 27 2012 14:14 Bill Murray wrote:There is someone who doesn't care who dies today, as long as it is not scum. A person who was all over VE, who layabout himself suspected. MG. Other people I would like to lynch include Sentinel, for a case detailed by Gonzaw, and St. Daniel for his activity elsewhere, but not here (though he might be a power role). On April 25 2012 05:17 MidnightGladius wrote:
Are you arguing that I should have been more convinced of VE's innocence, despite his scummy play, and pushed people off of his lynch? Perhaps I could have, but hindsight is cruel, and I would have not wanted to have been led to a no-lynch. Like I said in the post you only partially quoted, I highly doubt that I could have convinced the people voting for VE to move off of him.
Would I have liked to have been perfectly certain and pulled a ton of pressure to move votes off of VE? Sure. Did I think it was the right, or feasible, idea at the time? No. MG is wording this like a politician. He knows defense is overrated, but that isn't the point. He isn't going to defend him anyways.He has been uncaring, even for a no lynch His name is MidnightGladius. ##Vote: MidnightGladius Which is nowhere near of the calibre that you see in his town games. Furthermore you can see in this accusation post (remember he is mafia this game) that he only accused MG after others had gone after him (he says so himself in this post). This is easy to see from his filter in that game because this is the first time he's ever talked about MG. This is exactly what he's done this game. He doesn't make any mention of me, but once a handful of people say I'm mafia he immediately hops aboard the train trying to contribute. Exactly what he did as mafia in LIII with MidnightGladius.
Summary of why Bill Murray is mafia: 1) Overall inactivity. He hasn't done anything this game. Do any of the posts he's made stick out at you as memorable? 2) Spam level. He's had zero spam this game. There is a noticeable difference in his spamminess when he is town and mafia. This game it is consistent with his mafia play. 3) No long posts. When Bill Murray is town, he makes posts that are paragraphs long. When he is mafia he never does such a thing. This game he hasn't made a post longer than ~5 sentences. 4) Lack of thoughts or accusations. When he is town he is not afraid to call someone out or make a long (relative to him) accusation post. When he is mafia he is all aboard the sheep train. He even said in a post that he is sheeping and in another post that he thinks sheeping is good for the town.
Obviously have to take care of more pressing mafia first. ##Vote: Kurumi
Also of note is that he spends a lot of time making a case but his vote goes elsewhere, just like today.
Foolish doesn't even have the balls to lynch the guy he makes his case on.
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On March 15 2013 00:29 Oatsmaster wrote:Show nested quote +On March 15 2013 00:26 yamato77 wrote:On March 15 2013 00:24 DarthPunk wrote:
Holy Crap reading this thread is painful. I've skipped a good 30 pages at times and I've missed very little important stuff. Only scum wants to skip pages cause they already know who is scum/town. So therefore nothing is important to them really. Also their scumbuddies can notify them about important things.
Not, it's because people like Marv and Vivax have made this thread unreadable at times.
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On March 14 2013 08:07 Foolishness wrote:
So why is yamato "the best kill"?
More importantly, yamato is not acting like his town play and is pushing mafia agendas. His day vigi shot day 1 is an incredibly anti-town thing to do. Put yourself in that situation, would you day vigi someone day 1 as a town-aligned role? Hell no. We don't have specifics about his role, but if you had the ability to mod-confirm someone in the thread would you do it day 1? Hell no what a waste cause the mafia just shoots that person. The point is that there is no reason for him to use that ability as town on day 1 (no matter what his role PM told him).
This completely refuses to look at the scum-motivations for using it day 1, just the absence of supposed town-motivation. Kurumi is potentially a perfect person to announce as town as thread in day 1 and maybe make mafia waste a kill on him. Kurumi was a total liability - as town I fucking LOVE the idea that mafia might be shooting at a martrying Kurumi instead of VE, BC, me, supersoft... well almost anyone you like really. Foolish says there is no point in using the role day 1 as town. Well, what's the point as mafia? To get rid of a martrying liability for town, Kurumi? Is Foolishness arguing here that Kurumi was a positive town-force in the thread, and that town would be much better off with him around, continuously demanding votes and martrying himself? How is this even an argument? Mafia tend to hold their day-vig shots. Example is LX, where Chezinu waited until Day 2, to vig someone who was flying under the radar, but looked town, and more importantly was heavily pressuring mafia (Vivax). Vivax, the most impulsive player on TL Mafia, had a day-vig in Fruity Mafia but only used it on Day 2 to concede the game. Actually impulsive, rash shots are almost always the preserve of townies. Mattchew shooting 5 minutes into PYP: Redux. Some game long ago where VE got shot 15 minutes into the game. I'm sure there are other instances but generally speaking bad day-vig shots done in a bad manner are the preserve of townies, and not mafia. Foolishness has been around long enough to know all this, yet he's arguing otherwise. To reiterate, Foolish says "The point is that there is no reason for him to use that ability as town on day 1" yet history shows completely the opposite, townies use their day vigis freely, and mafia are much more scared and prone not to using them recklessly. Mafia want to look as good as possible with their shots, they want to mitigate damage. Mafia has no motivation to vigi someone who is shitting up the thread on Day 1.
On March 14 2013 08:07 Foolishness wrote:
As stated by a few people (including myself) yamato is playing completely different from his town game. In his town game he is more abrasive and direct about his insults (if he thinks you're an asshat, you are guaranteed to find out about it). And more importantly, he's always helpful when he's town. He says what he thinks and pushes his reads. This can be seen in Town Ain't Big Enough mafia. However in Fruity Mini mafia (when he's mafia), he sits back and let's the town do it's thing; he doesn't contribute.
So overall yamato is not playing like he does when he's town. He's not helping us, and his day 1 vigi shot was incredibly anti-town. If he was town there was no reason for him to do what he did.
In his town-game he is more abrasive and direct about his insults and we'd know about it? Let's see shall we?
On March 11 2013 01:21 yamato77 wrote:
Holy fuck you guys wasted a ton of pages saying nothing.
Is it sad that the best town player since I went to bed last night has been Oats?
Also, everyone calling out Acro for voting Ver is ridiculous. That post was bad and he should feel bad.
I feel like no one saying anything of any significance about VE and his idiocy at the start of the game is disturbing. Why did he react the way he did to me randomly calling him mafia? Why did he fall in line with Corazon to attack me for very little reason? VE acting weird to start the game. People aside from super have ignored him and I am annoyed by it.
Bugs, if you're town, I suggest you quit the useless posting. It's fine to roleplay and all, but I want SOME sort of reads/hidden analysis in there. Right now it's just nonsense.
On March 11 2013 06:59 yamato77 wrote:Show nested quote +On March 11 2013 05:59 cDgCorazon wrote:
Hmmm...guess who has decided to lurk now that other targets are being hunted? Yamato and Acro...
##Vote: Yamato
Gonna start scumhunting? i'm at work you asshatit's in my filter What I will do is solve this Kurumi problem right now.
HE LITERALLY USES THE WORD ASSHAT THAT FOOLISH SAYS HE USES WHEN HE IS TOWN.
On March 12 2013 02:56 yamato77 wrote:
I was at work while I was doing the stuff with my role.
It's in my filter, you lazy, scummy dumbasses.
There's more in his filter, go look for yourselves. I think I've adequately described how what FOolishness is saying is complete bollocks. He IS doing the things that FOolish is saying he does as town, yet Foolish is calling him mafia.
On March 14 2013 08:07 Foolishness wrote:
Also consider the fact that crossfire was in no danger of getting killed at the moment. If he was about to get lynched I can see sending out a nuke as a last ditch effort to survive or make something happen (hey I just kinda did it, though my motivation is way different). It was completely out of the blue, just as yamato's day vigi was completely out of the blue.
I analyzed this guy day 1 but didn't come up with anything conclusive. On one hand he hadn't done anything to exhibit being mafia, but nothing striking to say he was for sure town either. With his nuke shot we now know where his agenda is and what side of the town he's on.
The first paragraph he's using here is an argument that because Crossfire was in no danger of getting lynched, he'd purposefully put himself immensely in the spotlight as mafia by launching a nuke at Foolishness. This makes little to no sense. Further, slOosh's explanation of his role was that he made the PMs he sent sound like the receivers of the nukes HAD to use them or bad things would happen. So he was compelled to use the nuke. But Foolishness glosses over this completely.
And to the "out of the blue" comment. Apart from what I just wrote, I will reiterate that town are usually impulsive and doing things out of the blue. Mafia sit back and blend in, townies have no fear. This is really basic mentality stuff that Foolishness fails to grasp, or rather is twisting in a ridiculous fashion to fit his narrative.
Dandel Ion commented very well on the 2nd paragraph I quoted here. We should all be able to agree that Crossfire on Day 1 was playing quite far outside of his town meta. And yet he's calling it inconclusive. He then again uses the faulty nuke logic to call him mafia. No no no.
Do you remember earlier in the game when supersoft said a good case provides pros and cons? Of course Foolishness fails to mention Crossfire's behaviour at the deadline, he also fails to mention how Crossfire behaved with his explanations about the nukes. Like austin (and others?) pointed out, he came across as genuine and sincere here, but of course this is missed out entirely.
On March 14 2013 08:07 Foolishness wrote:cDgCorazon I'm also confident is town because he's playing to his semi-trolly town meta as seen here. When he's mafia he's completely serious as seen here.
Corazon. The only at all trolly thing that Corazon has done this game is to do his King Of Hearts thing, which is VERY EVIDENTLY part of his role. How is he using this as a comparison to past games? If we take out his role-related King of Hearts thing, Corazon is quite clearly playing very, in fact far too, seriously, which here Foolishness himself admits is how he plays mafia. I've talked about Corazon enough, but to remind you, his constant questions to town of "are you SURE there isn't someone scummier than me?", his blind tunnel on yamato, and his refusal to comment on Foolishness are all damning. To repeat, according to Foolishness' own analysis, Corazon IS playing a 'serious' game apart from his stupid role-related stuff. THere is literally no light-heartedness, he's cursing people, he's refusing to play, he's martrying, he's refusing to engage in conversation. This is fun, trolly, town Corazon according to Foolish? What a load of shit.
The rest of his post is regarding me, which I will make in a separate post to expose more of this guy's nonsense.
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