EPTUgh I signed up for LX because I didn't know another NMM was going down but apparently I have been denied being added to the signup list so I guess I'm
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Same setup as last time huh? Time to prove tha hatarz wrong Acrofales.
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Ugh I signed up for LX because I didn't know another NMM was going down but apparently I have been denied being added to the signup list so I guess I'm /in Same setup as last time huh? Time to prove tha hatarz wrong Acrofales. | ||
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On February 21 2013 02:21 marvellosity wrote: Innocent Child is basically a blue without any powers, but mod-confirmed town. I'm sure you could play in LX if you wanted btw, Greymist probably just missed you when adding signups because you did so so early. If you'd rather play there, just drop him a PM. Yeh I sent him a PM. If this one starts first though I'll just play here, it's fine. I retain hope that signups will be swift and no one will lurk!  Edit: Ooo I just realized, no vet this game! | ||
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On February 21 2013 07:02 TheRavensName wrote: Also... why is the defiler not the jail keeper? It has dark swarm and that makes more sense then the guardians.. I know it's supposed to be Zerg but Arbiter would make the most sense as JK. | ||
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If you guys are going to downsize to 9 then I'll wait. GL! (Mocsta I expect epic coaching from you. EPIC) | ||
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Derp. Well then I expect epic...co-hosting? | ||
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/in I have to keep learning but I don't necessarily want to subject the vets to another game of me still learning tons o' shit and asking questions. Lol good thing you're town coach Prom. I'm sure I'll end up coming to you. | ||
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On March 05 2013 21:55 MilkSuckler wrote: Sorry for the smurf fail.. Its mocsta Lol. Can't get your smurf right in LX, can't get your main account right here. Edit: Oh shits two more people!!! | ||
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Does that mean we can't be unbearably rude to extract information? I am a chivalrous individual by nature.... | ||
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On March 06 2013 03:13 Dandel Ion wrote: I don't see anything wrong with that. Oh, and I forgot to /obs yet. 1) My wife has neither the presence of mind nor the patience to play something like mafia. 2) We have a very small child which takes up basically all of her time. 3) We'd both be in the same game which would make it hard not to assist/cheat by accident. 4) We'd both be in the same game. Mafia real good for marriage imo. | ||
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On March 06 2013 03:46 Matriarch wrote: We have a small child too but she's getting bigger every day. Perhaps you aren't giving your wife enough credit? Oh she deserves plenty of credit. When he doesn't sleep at night (read: every night) and I have to study and be up for school the next day she stays up with him. We should totally set up a playdate btw. In other news I WANNA START QUICK FIND ANOTHER NEWBIEEEE | ||
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On March 06 2013 08:56 Krafla wrote: Can I contact you with advice on how to avoid a policy lynch on the first day or should I just hang up my hat now? Scumslip. LYNCH DIS FEKKER | ||
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##FoS: MLuneth Won't change my vote though 'cause Krafla is super scummy and needs to die ASAP imo. | ||
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Alright ladies and gents, I'm back. As far as the strategies I asked about, it was to get discussion going and I'm glad to see I accomplished that mission. With that said let's analyze. Lynch All Liars - Newbies take note: there is absolutely ZERO reason for any town player to lie about anything. Mistakes can be made, sure, but as you are town you should have nothing to hide. Lying is a massive scumtell. That said, catching someone in a lie you cannot be sure it is a lie or simply a mistake. There are other steps you can take to ensure it was a scumslip and not just a bad town error so if you support the lynching of a liar you'd better be damn sure why. Lynch All Lurkers - While I supported this strategy once upon a time, I no longer see its usefulness because you can 'pressure' a lurker with your vote all you want, but votes change so often at the end of the day it is meaningless. Lurkers gonna lurk; leave it up to a vig later in the game if they still look scummy. Ideally everyone will participate all day btu that just doesn't happen most of the time. Remember who is lurking at when they show up to the thread; keep an eye on them because as someone posted earlier there is usually at least one scum amongst them. Random Vote - This is horseshit and no one should be doing it. I was the first post in the thread and it was a joke. Come on people. Hunt for fucking scum and make your vote USEFUL. No Lynch - Was stated already but horrible. You're basically giving scum a free pass and stating "well we're a shit town and not good enough to find scum D1." Alright, with all of that out there, I'm going to start analyzing the thread thus far. Some good posting from people, some crappy posting. I'll be posting again shortly. | ||
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On March 08 2013 03:14 TheRavensName wrote: Guess its time for the joke vote to go. ##unvote Now I guess its just a decision between M or NW at the moment... I find myself leaning a little towards NW given that hes actually posted suspicious stuff, where as our lurking friend still needs to give some stuff... Outside of those two, I dunno, Rainbow makes me uncomfortable even if he might be townie, I could actually see bussing mafia or SK also. OE seems pretty tow to me, and the rest need to contribute more before I can feel comfortable making a prediction. Why do you have to make a decision now? Why are you talking about bussing? Why are you making a useless list post? | ||
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@Frorgon: Your reasoning regarding bduddy in our first content post is sound; if he doesn't show up by the end of the day would you vote him? | ||
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On March 08 2013 04:37 OmniEulogy wrote: As there has been no case against you and I see no reason to suspect you of being scummy at this point in time I'm going to step in and defend you / chastise you a little bit. First thing To be fair Raven didn't say we had to make a decision now, he said the decision at the moment is between Luneth and NW which was correct. WoS if you truely like what Rainbow has been saying without giving any specifics I assume you also meant you wanted to focus on one thing at a time. However Raven there are a few things I have a problem with in this post. One is the mention of an SK, keep that thought out of mind until the end of N1, it is not a certain thing that there is an SK, in all 3 of my previous newbie games there hasn't been one so it's best to leave that alone until there is proof of a 3rd party. The second thing is the mention of bussing so early into D1 while some people have still barely said anything. I don't believe it makes sense for mafia to try and bus each other this early. We can start to look at it closer to the deadline / after the flip and try to come to any conclusions then. I also personally just dislike it when people try to play the victim card. You have voiced some decent opinions about how we should go about the game and if you follow it up with some good scum hunting and cases it'll ease my suspicion of you greatly. This is more like some friendly advice to you if you are town to help prove it and keep yourself away from the lynch mob. And just be aware that when people pressure you, you should think about a better defense than "I guess I'm just dumb" If it keeps up, it'll look pretty scummy without any real explanations.Good advice in general, OE. I was thinking of getting to it myself but I figured lack of town activity right now means someone else should post. Go easy on him for the victim card imo (you sort of did ); I know I had a lot of issues with that my first game when I was up against players who definitely were more experienced in that regard. But yeah Raven, OE's advice is sound and should all be stuff you consider when posting in the future. If you're town, the game is all about scumhunting as your primary goal. If you do that well you have no reason to be suspected.Just to mention Rainbows, I liked his shutting down of the bad game theory stuff early. OE since I'm responding to you already, I'm going to come at you a little. Have you been taking coaching from mocsta or something? Your filter is absolutely massive already and, while your early reads/comments are accurate, we REALLY don't need to hear your thought process on absolutely everything. Nor questions to absolutely everyone, it shits up the thread. If you want to focus someone or a few people, go ahead but when you spread yourself to thin and expect different things from everyone it becomes very difficult to follow a line of reasoning---something you don't want as a self-proclaimed transparent townie. | ||
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Don't abbreviate unnecessarily please, NW I get, but you could at least give me a few other letters to work with for those others, man. | ||
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MeatlessTaco: Aggressively enters the thread makes a couple early game cases and leaves. Who is your top scumread right now and why? (I refuse to believe it's NW just because you voted him) Nobodywonder: Useless early pressure of lurkers and talks about how he doesn't want to lynch D1. Inherently looks extremely scummy, but it's still early so I'll give him a chance to defend himself. What's up, NW? Matriarch: Two posts, though calls out people for random voting which is ok I guess. It's been a little while now, what are your updated reads? Do you still think Meatless is scum? | ||
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On March 08 2013 07:09 Krafla wrote: I'm going to make an observation here about nobodywonder. A lot of people seem to be calling him one of their two main scum reads at the moment, but looking at his filter he really hasn't said much, yes what he has said sounded pretty scummy but we're only really talking about two posts. I'd like to hear him defend himself. On March 08 2013 07:07 WaveofShadow wrote: Want to hear more from: MeatlessTaco: Aggressively enters the thread makes a couple early game cases and leaves. Who is your top scumread right now and why? (I refuse to believe it's NW just because you voted him) Nobodywonder: Useless early pressure of lurkers and talks about how he doesn't want to lynch D1. Inherently looks extremely scummy, but it's still early so I'll give him a chance to defend himself. What's up, NW? Matriarch: Two posts, though calls out people for random voting which is ok I guess. It's been a little while now, what are your updated reads? Do you still think Meatless is scum? | ||
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On March 08 2013 09:06 nobodywonder wrote: I'd really like contributions form bduddy still, my vote is on him and so I'll give him some time to respond. Definitely will switch to Krafla after bduddy's reaction. This is such a useless attitude. Why the hell should bduddy care if he has over 24h left to post a couple thing just to be taken off the 'lurker list?' He knows that you're just going to change it as soon as he does anyway, so that's not exactly much pressure is it? Not to mention if there are any other scum and bduddy does happen to be town they all know they're safe because you've broadcasted your lurker vote patterns for all to see. | ||
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On March 08 2013 08:53 nobodywonder wrote: i still want more contributions from lurkers, (come on Arctic, at least say hi.) usually 1 scum hides amongst the inactives/lurkers. @OmniEulogy, as for the lynching, I'd still say if I can't find concrete proof of scum, then I would just get rid of the scummiest lurker, still in this case bduddy. personal issues, i dont buy it completely. regardless, he should give some takes @Chew thats what I'm contributing. telling the lurkers to speak up and contribute disregarding lurkers, i'd say the most suspicious active is Krafla he hasn't really contributed. all he says is to reserve judgment and not vote, but his gut says a no-lynch would be a bad thing. i'd say that's a contradiction and that he should really be actively pursuing leads. most of his statements have been rather wishy-washy And his observation that reserved judgment about me was right after WoS's statement that reserved judgment for me. and also his post about Taco, which was also right after Matriarch. I dont think this is coincidence These actions can be summarized by attitudes such as 1. indecision 2. not wanting to point fingers 3. avoiding responsibility. he takes no definite positions that would risk his flexibility and result in self-contradictions. Krafla explained himself pretty decently I think. I dunno right now you are by far the scummiest looking person to me. Telling lurkers to post is not a contribution as I explained earlier. What is your read on me or OE? | ||
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NW, I'm not sure what I want from you at this point. Like...I'm trying to find something that DOESN'T make you scummy at this point but I can't find it. You call out Raven on his 'just being dumb' as scummy play, which is fine, and makes sense (though I don't agree), but then you associate OE to him which doesn't make any sense at all to me, especially since I stated earlier I was going to tell him the exact same things. This being a newbie game there are going to be some newbie attitudes and as far as I'm concerned (and apparently OE agreed,) the appropriate thing to do here is give a friendly warning here. Call it a 'pay it forward' as the same thing was done for me (see NMM 37 if you want to look into my meta). You didn't bother looking at this point that I made (not so hard to read the whole thread since it's only like 8 pages) and immediately make a weak association case. You're diggin' yourself a mighty deep hole derr..... | ||
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On March 08 2013 09:59 Rainbows wrote: In regards to the Raven-SK thing. As town, we shouldn't even be worried about an SK at this stage. I never once even thought about bringing the subject up. The subtle mentioning of an SK leaves me super worried -- who would be interested in an SK at this stage? Someone who rolled it. Might be a far cry but I'm forever paranoid (and alone) atm. Not subtle mention at all, really. I know I have to stop making excuses for people here, but that's definitely a bad town thing too. Ok, no more free passes from me, fellow newbies. You make a bad call from here on out, no mercy. Raven let's get something productive from you. Day is winding down, bduddy still hasn't posted and the votes are split fairly even between him and NW. What DO you DO? | ||
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First, PLEASE stop calling him L, it's really messing with my head. Second, I agree with you in that I'd like to hear something from Luneth regarding his lurker vote and absence thus far. We only have 24h left until someone dies and this certainly isn't the most active game I've been in by a long stretch. (Though maybe that's because Mocsta is usually in them.) | ||
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It hasn't been that long for Luneth, give him a shot. NW is basically DOA this evening though if he doesn't show up and defend himself adequately or give us something better to go on. In other news, there are a LOT of people lurking hard in this thread. We're going to have a damn near impossible time of winning this game if we don't get more out of you guys with <1 page worth of filter. If you're not scum, you'd better speak up or you're throwing the game for us. | ||
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I'm going to hope that next time you give us more than a list of your 'worries and suspicions,' and give us some hard evidence and scumreads. Think you could make that happen? | ||
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On March 08 2013 14:59 nobodywonder wrote: ##Unvote ok cool thanks bduddy for contributing, agree about the Arctic Daishi thing. I'd like replies from the non-voters too. I will reread the filters and get ready to make my case. I look forward to hearing from you. Luneth your stance on voting an inactive scummy lurker is likely not going to get us anywhere. Let me tell you the tale of the absolutely fucking retarded township of NMM 37 (that I was a part of). D1 was full of lurk, barely half the thread showed up to do anything. Everyone eventually voted except for 2 people who were eventually replaced. But WHERE did people vote? Well people took the stance of voting for lurkers, and since there were so many to choose from, everyone essentially chose their own candidate and ended up lynching a townie, because it was real easy for mafia to hide and spread out their votes. Since there were so many people lurking (similar to this game) it was essentially a complete crapshoot anyway as to whether we hit a scummy lurker or a town lurker. Better in the end to go with some educated guessing and learn from that than lynch someone who has contributed barely anything so we learn nothing after the flip. D1 sucks, and sometimes you lynch town, but it happens. If it happens we move on and keep hunting scum and learn from our mistake. | ||
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On March 08 2013 15:09 bduddy wrote: I don't know exactly what kind of "hard evidence" you're looking for, other than "I'm the cop and..." All I have are the same posts as everyone else, and I've tried to read through them quickly so I can post before stuff starts happening so I probably haven't even read them as fully as everyone else. I did say that I'm feeling a bit suspicious towards TRN and Rainbows, is that what you mean by "scumreads"? I'm just not seeing nobodywonder as scum (and I'm not just saying that because he unvoted me!), he seems like a genuine new townie to me. I am now somewhat suspicious towards Matriarch; very few posts (I see the post about a child, I understand that that would be far more important than posting here but it would also be a great excuse) and came straight back to jump on the nobodywonder bandwagon for reasons that don't really make sense to me. For now, though, I'm going to ##Vote: TheRavensName who still seems most suspicious to me. You didn't just claim cop D1 did you?  Alright bduddy I'll spell out a couple things for you. 1) Claiming a blue role this early in the game essentially paints a big ol' bullseye on your back for mafia to target. If they manage to shoot you N1 you won't have performed any checks and are useless to us. 2) When I'm asking for your scumreads, I'm asking you to tell us who you think are scum and WHY. "I have a good feeling about NW," or "I feel suspicious" means dick all if you don't have anything to back it up. In conclusion, do a little a thinking before you post about the repercussions of your actions and what it means to other people when you say certain things, and you'll go a long way. Don't just spew your thoughts into the thread for no apparent reason. It doesn't help us find scum. | ||
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I will admit, much like a lot of other people in this thread I was going to vote for him earlier on since he seemed like the best choice but there just wasn't enough to go on. Now that he's posted again I like him much more. He does some very good analysis on Luneth's awfully scummy post history and calls Krafla out: No need for yourself to declare innonence so early while other possible bandwagoners such as Chew haven't explained themselves. Which is a HUGE indicator of scum play. Why feel the need to declare yourself innocent before anyone has accused you of anything? To LOOK innocent: scum's MO. One thing still bothers me about you though. You seem to have changed your attitude completely from earlier in the game and you've started scumhunting hardcore. Are you still in favour of a no-lynch as per your quote here? On March 07 2013 17:56 nobodywonder wrote: I'd rather like to avoid lynching on Day 1 if theyre unjustified. I want the threat to pressure lurkers to contribute and this would lead to the best case scenario. But if lurkers dont contribute, I have no issues with lynching, SO Pressuring lurkers to contribute => they contribute. the goal is get contribution (not to lynch, unless necessarily) This looks like coaching to me; I can't see why you changed your attitude so abruptly and immediately started pressuring the way you should have been from the very start. Explanation please. OE's read on Frorgon is great in my opinion. I'm not set on voting him just yet because I think I'm trying to decide between Luneth and Nobodywonder for now. The rest of the lurkers (like Matriarch) just can't be as important right now because we don't know enough. Daishi now that you're back don't make excuses, do what you're supposed to and hunt scum. | ||
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Your cases, while good are a little too easy to make this early in the game. That goes for OE's Frorgon case too, though he made a commitment at least; you have now flip-flopped between two cases of your own in less than three hours. To me this make it seem as you're trying very VERY hard to remove people's suspicions of you. Now, most of the time when scum make cases just to remove suspicion, they don't add any real content, but your cases are not lacking in this regard. The quick change of mind and lack of commitment to the Luneth case make it seem like you're scrambling to find something that the rest of town can sheep onto and leave you alone though, and since these cases are on lurkers they're real easy to make since they're not exactly arguing with you..... | ||
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On March 09 2013 05:10 Frorgon wrote: I don't really consider myself to be lurking; when I post I try to add good reasoning to my thought process. Some of you are posting quite a lot more than me, I will admit that is true. But there are plenty of others who have posted about as much as me. Waveofshadow, and Matriarch for example. Meanwhile, people like Arctic and bduddy have contributed far less. As everyone is bandwagoning on nobodywonder, bduddy is able to sit back and not do anything. Still nothing from him since I last posted hours ago. Therefore, ##Vote: bduddy Sorry for the spam, but are you actually comparing your posting level to mine? DId you even look at the filters and the content within? And Matriarch who hasn't done anything all game yet? REALLY? I expect you to have something a little better to go on with your vote. After OE's case you've got some pressure on you that you've done nothing to alleviate thus far. | ||
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The point of you not telling us about coaching is it creates more WIFOM in a newbie game where WIFOM is bound to be rampant anyway. Do we know if you're lying now or not? Who coached you, scum or town?(DON'T ANSWER THESE QUESTIONS) Whatever I won't make a big deal about it and I'll do my best to ignore your post that talked about it, but that rapid change in attitude was obvious. In any case there's a couple things you've done here that make you look less scummy to me than a couple other people in here, so in light of his recent post: ##Vote: Frorgon | ||
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On March 09 2013 06:02 Frorgon wrote: Are you seriously not reading the thread? If even if you discount that my first page of filter is all pre-game banter, I still have been pressuring and making cases the entire day. Who would you say specifically is more 'prolific?' @Wave I didn't want to make excuses, but Omni seemed to want me to make one so I did. After looking at your filters I suppose you have posted more but you're still not as prolific as many others in this thread. Now you've said that my case for my vote isn't good, despite saying earlier in the thread that my case against bduddy was sound. I have stuck to my word on that, as he has not done anything to help his cause. I agree that nobodywonder has done things to help his cause in the past few hours, so my decision was a pretty easy one to make. Your case was sound, hell it still is but it's not GOOD this far into the day. You say you have had stomach issues and couldn't post, fine. STOP MAKING EXCUSES AND SCUMHUNT. Your initial post based on the lack of content in bduddy's filter works early but this late when you have seen other 'prolific' posters actually submitting useful analysis and content is not enough. You're standing by your initial read of bduddy essentially amounts for you choosing to vote lurker. It's a throwaway vote, and looks scummy. @Omni There is no way I am contributing the least. This just isn't true. Can you really say that I am contributing less than bduddy? I have been consistent in my posts for my reasoning, and I think that is most important. I threw some suspicions your way, but you really shouldn't be all too concerned about it because you admitted that you didn't expect people to unconditionally trust you on D1.[/QUOTE] | ||
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On March 09 2013 06:15 Arctic Daishi wrote: In this post: You seemed rather hostile against Omni, who was very active in investigating people. Perhaps to stop his investigation? Terrible. This was early on in the thread before Frorgon was even under investigation. You've just overtaken everyone as the scummiest person in this thread. No opinions, sheep vote, attempting to prove yourself useful only when under pressure. Fuck this, after re-reading Omni's 'amazing' case I see some holes in it that I'm going to expose eventually. First I'm going to see if Frorgon can dig himself out of this little hole before I do it. ##Unvote ##Vote: Arctic Daishi | ||
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On March 09 2013 06:20 OmniEulogy wrote: Hmm not sure what else to say about Taco... well actually I'll go the other way, I think I've covered pretty much everything he's done that seems to go against town, but he was right when he said you have to suspect everybody in one of his first posts. I felt that this was a good post, generally people who have decent activity before a game starts and then disappear as soon as it starts deserve to be looked at more closely. At the same time going back to odd actions from him we also have things like this He didn't actually make a case... did he forget? It was a joke vote that stuck and other people attacked NW. There was no case from Taco. Isn't that the exact job town is trying to do? Again from somebody who hasn't actually made a single case all game this seems really REALLY bad... looking through his filter and doing this again... I'm actually going to move Taco to my scum list. ##Unvote ##Vote: MeatlessTaco I believe this case is Much stronger than my case on Frorgon and am changing my vote for that reason. What does everybody else make of this case on Taco? In fact... I am going to push for Taco's Lynch, I expect anybody who wants to hit scum to jump on this train, The Wagon of Justice has arrived. + Show Spoiler + On March 09 2013 04:49 OmniEulogy wrote: I'm also quite worried about Taco. His actions so far are a mixture of scum/town so I can't get a good read on him. We have his opening joke vote, which alone I have no problem with However we do end up sticking on NW through pressure of other people so he never actually has to vote. He uses this as an excuse to pressure others to place votes on people when he himself never actually made a serious vote. Keep in mind how early in the game these posts are. I feel that Krafla here was trying to apply pressure the Arctic who had yet said anything at all but Taco tries to pressure him to vote for somebody who hasn't said a single word so far? that's sketchy so early on in the game. Makes it seem like he doesn't care who is voting for who. Again goes after Krafla early on, Why is Taco so obsessed with getting people to vote? The game isn't even through the first 24 hours. Town doesn't need to throw votes out so quickly, they need to think about their actions as Krafla is doing. This raises more questions about how much Taco actually cares who gets lynched. And then we have these back-to-back posts. Holy Shit Hypocrisy. His FIRST real vote is a complete sheep with nothing to add about why Chew is scum. Does he really care who gets lynched? This doesn't take away from the good points he's made and some of his questions have been really good... but the inconsistency is there. ^ My original look through his filter. Oh god now you're channeling Vivax. Just how much 'inspiration' did you get this game? I expect MeatlessTaco to return triumphantly to the game and analyze (read:remove) his vote on NW, and explain to us who his top scumread is before this goes through. | ||
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On March 09 2013 06:40 OmniEulogy wrote: The only problem I have with an Arctic lynch today is that there is almost nothing that separates him from bduddy, Chew and Frorgon. Where I see Taco as being very clearly the only person who has put themselves in a very compromising situation and just looks like scum trying to pretend to stay active. What is Arctic is just another bad townie? There's nothing to prove that he is really scum vs bad townie. Where with Taco I can very clearly see a scum read. Thats why I've also switched my vote from Frorgon, very much the same situation. When all the lurkers seem scummy a miss-lynch is much more likely vs a semi-active scum read. But see that's the thing. MeatlessTaco hasn't posted in forever, so if he was just 'pretending' to be active early so he could lurk late, well, we don't know that yet. We'll see if he returns. As for Daishi, he lurked early and is clearly here, but putting in the minimal effort to look like he is contributing right now. And THIS post is a gem, I can't believe I missed this. On March 09 2013 06:43 TheRavensName wrote: I agree that Daishi is a pretty vibrant target. I was going to favor Chew over him until his more recent attempts to return to reactivity, given hes just jumping on a bandwaggon and not making an explination for himself before vanishing again.... However, I don't want to see NW lynched anymore either, and given that chew is much closer to lynching, I'm tempted to leave my vote on him untill we get a majority set on daishi. I'm going to say Daishi in particular over someone like Luneth or Frorgon, I don't think theres enough to go after either of them and be sure anyways.... Side note about Arctic, I do love that he is the last person on the vote for every vote hes ever casted, and peels off as soon as another band wagon seems good enough. Good work, TRN. | ||
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On March 09 2013 06:45 nobodywonder wrote: I'd like Chew, Matriarch, MLuneth, Krafla to respond. They haven't said anything since their votes. Otherwise town gets no info from my lynch. I second Omni's post about Arctic. I have to say you won't get any information from an Arctic lynch. On this basis, Frogron, you should change your vote on bduddy. for all your talk about contributions and your contributions in comparison to other posters such as bduddy and Arctic, you really need to make a stand I agree with your second point, not your first. We're not lynching for information, we're lynching to eliminate scum. If we hit scum D1 then we're that much closer to winning. | ||
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I agree with Frorgon having to move his vote, not with your agreement with OE's post. | ||
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What would we learn from Taco's lynch. Assume he is scum and he has just flipped. What have we now learned? | ||
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OE, I was about to post what you did. If we lynch Daishi Taco could very easily still be town, having simply meant he didn't expect Daishi to show up at all. Now as for Taco: Good to see you've returned in your hour of need. Now as for your defense---I'm willing to believe it, but this is a newbie game. Gambits are stupid because you can't expect people to behave exactly the way you want them to, ie. you're about to get yourself lynched. What you SHOULD be doing is what you should have been doing from the start: scumhunting. Now that all of these bandwagons have been started for you (I see you only made it to the point in the thread where Frorgon/Chew are the topics of the day) you seem to want to immediately choose one and be done with it. That's not going to be good enough for us, I'll tell you that right now. I expect cases and I expect them hours ago. Enough evidence has been posted against Arctic (doubt you'll get much more considering his filter) I want to hear another scumread or an analysis of someone else's case. Preferably both. | ||
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On March 09 2013 07:12 TheRavensName wrote: ##unvote ##Vote: Arctic Daishi Just going to change this while its on my mind. I'm pretty certain now hes a much better hit then Chew, but I'm not entirerly convined on Meatless for the reasons I've suggested already. But... lets see what he can give us to confirm this indifferance or change it to guilt now that hes here. I was just about to ask why your vote was still on Chew. I'm gonna have to go with OE on your towniness at this point, not that it should really concern us to confirm town at this point in the game. Just waitin' on Taco and the lurkers, now. And I suppose NW. | ||
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On March 09 2013 07:15 bduddy wrote: We've learned that there is one fewer scum in the game and that we're way closer to winning. How is that not a great thing? Arctic is seriously lurking hardcore though (yes, I understand the irony. I just got done with a job interview that got pushed back from earlier today), and his few posts look like lame attempts to jump on a bandwagon or to look active. I'm also very suspicious of how Arctic and OE seem to be mutually defending each other. For example: I agree with TRN's recent posts and understand that what I was going off of may have been wrong. For now, even if I'm suspicious of OE, Arctic will be totally useless to us even if he is town, OE at least posts. ##Unvote ##Vote: Arctic Daishi Oooo, the plot thickens. I'm inclined to believe that this may be coincidence since OE's posts were early on (that list post of questions is useless) and AD has proven to just buddy up and bandwagon whoever he finds best at the time, but how's THAT for information we learn, OE? | ||
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On March 09 2013 07:16 Frorgon wrote: Now looking at ChewOnStu's filter, it looks really bad. Some inital posting, then a vote. Nothing since then. Some talk too on lurkers and that voting for them is bad. Since there's already 3 votes his way it may be a good choice. And I've never been entirely sure on Meatless. I think a Chew vote is wrong for the same reason a Taco vote was wrong. Posting a ton and then disappearing doesn't really help us out, a lurk is still a lurk. Better to vote someone who has attempted more recently to look townie (and failed). Also for the purposes of consolidation, I could've sworn we were trying to get either Taco or Daishi lynched right now? | ||
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On March 09 2013 07:22 TheRavensName wrote: Just going to toss it out there. That seemed a little early to be expecting a replacement on arctic when there was only a single vote for arctic. He acted like we were going to accidently lynch him. But that'll be the end of this for now. You're right, and I want to see Taco comment on this. On March 09 2013 07:22 OmniEulogy wrote: if Arctic is scum and you guys nail him, it's fantastic but I'm still wondering how he is different from the other lurkers like bduddy. If we just talk about Arctic being lynched and flipping scum, the only thing we gain is scum being down by 1 which is huge for D1 don't get me wrong but his absence means we don't learn much else from it. My question to him at that point was the best I could do, he literally had 0 posts to his name, and all the questions were more aimed towards seeing peoples reactions to me asking them, and how people felt about Luneth as opposed to Arctic (who wasn't even a subject of conversation at that point). I guess if I look at it from a point that Arctic wouldn't vote on his own scum buddies, we might be able to clear the people he's voted on as being town? Although even that is a shot in the dark. Did you read Taco's post? Or Raven's last few? We have plenty to learn. Daishi is goin' downnnnnnnnnn | ||
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That's been one of the sticking points to vote him instead of Daishi and you haven't explained it yet; you seem to think we'll learn mroe from a Taco scumflip than Daishi. Why? | ||
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On March 09 2013 07:41 TheRavensName wrote: All well and good but... do you have a new case or are you sticking with your cop out mr Taco? Your post in this way basically makes you sound more like a caught red trying to make excuses. I mean you said yourself that your a hypocrit, which is about as close to a liar your going to get in mafia this early in without a fake role claim. Don't be so quick to judge; the only way I got myself out of a sure lynch situation D1 in NMM 37 was being apologetic because I was super noob. To be fair though Taco doesn't strike me as super noob. I still don't think this is enough for me to go on to change my vote though. | ||
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On March 09 2013 07:15 bduddy wrote: We've learned that there is one fewer scum in the game and that we're way closer to winning. How is that not a great thing? Arctic is seriously lurking hardcore though (yes, I understand the irony. I just got done with a job interview that got pushed back from earlier today), and his few posts look like lame attempts to jump on a bandwagon or to look active. I'm also very suspicious of how Arctic and OE seem to be mutually defending each other. For example: I agree with TRN's recent posts and understand that what I was going off of may have been wrong. For now, even if I'm suspicious of OE, Arctic will be totally useless to us even if he is town, OE at least posts. ##Unvote ##Vote: Arctic Daishi bduddy pointed you out soft defending Daishi. You keep saying we'd learn nothing if he flipped? Well we might learn something about you. We'd certainly also learn something about his voting patterns and we might be able to figure out if the people he was bandwagoning were scum or not. | ||
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As for you Taco, I really wish you hadn't said that. Almost every mafia game I've been in where someone tried some sort of funny business or gambit to 'generate content' they turned out to be mafia. What's the point in generating content you yourself have no intention of following up on? All it does is create confusion and further useless content ---> scum MO. | ||
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Rainbows. I liked his play early game and if he shows up he may be able to help us decide one way or another. | ||
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We REALLY need vote consolidation from the following people: MeatlessTaco, Arctic Daishi, Rainbows, ChewonStu, Luneth, Matriarch, Krafla. | ||
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On March 09 2013 08:08 OmniEulogy wrote: NW can vote to save his ass well.. tie on Arctic and I've already said I'll switch if I can't convince people to lynch Taco, but I've still got 2 hours to see if I can do it. As you yourself said, even his defense dabbles in scum MO. I don't understand how we aren't lynching this guy today. But one or two vote differences isn't going to cut it. If we don't have a +3 differences in vote between the first and second place then it's possible (though unlikely) for scum/3rd party to move last second and force a mislynch. I'm not saying Taco looks super innocent, btw, but I think Daishi is a better vote. Plus after the flip we may be able to start making associations related to Taco. | ||
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On March 09 2013 08:21 bduddy wrote: If you really want Taco to be lynched, you're not trying very hard. If you think someone else with actual support is also worthy of being lynched, why don't you switch your vote now? He did, and I disagree I think he was trying. Glad to see the switch, Omni. Taco, please respond to NW so we can lay this to rest for now? | ||
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Some of these lurkers had better come back because as it stands the only two who are here that COULD switch are NW and Luneth. (Though if Luneth switches I think we'd have hammer.) | ||
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On March 09 2013 08:27 MeatlessTaco wrote: Right now I only have two or three people with no information on. What if everyone had just complained how boring the thread was for two days? Where would we be right now? Taco don't just say you 'have information.' We have information too, but not all of it's useful. What did you LEARN from this. How can you prove to NW that your gambit was not just a scumtactic and it actually accomplished something? Where are your reads? | ||
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On March 09 2013 08:30 MeatlessTaco wrote: No one will care about my reads right now. I'll post all my thoughts beginning of day 2 so there is plenty of time to discuss lynching me. The only 2 actives I could vote for aren't under suspicion, so it is between Chew and Arctic. ##Unvote ##Vote: Arctic Daishi This makes sense. I definitely expect to hear from you. | ||
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On March 09 2013 08:35 bduddy wrote: That's not a good excuse. Tell us what you know. Haha conflicting opinions. Ok bduddy, explain why it's a good idea for Taco to explain to us his reads right now while we're all trying to consolidate our votes. Also explain why it would be a good idea for him to give us his reads before D2. | ||
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On March 09 2013 08:37 nobodywonder wrote: Taco, you still haven't answered my questions. You have replied with rhetorical questions that allows readers to guess what you think, but not really know what you think. I do care about your reads. Any town shouldn't be discouraged whether or not his read matters, he needs to voice his opinion, participate and care. and why do you say you want to post all your thoughts on day2? you can killed by mafia. this is seriously weird. The only 2 actives I could vote for, what does this mean? I cant follow you at all. So... Taco, again tell me: What is your stand? NW...you're ruining it.... | ||
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On March 09 2013 08:40 OmniEulogy wrote: WoS I understand where you are coming from under normal circumstances you don't want to explain yourself during the night, but I think regardless of Arctics flip Taco will be my prime suspect for D2. I say we have him give us everything he's got during N1 and see what happens. I wanted bduddy to see if he could come to the conclusions himself. It's not just that it's that explaining his reads could be seen as an attempt to try and muddle the voting this close to deadline. I understand where you and NW are coming from, but since he's our 2nd scum candidate right now I'm not sure we'd lose out either way if he DOES die N1. | ||
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On March 09 2013 08:46 OmniEulogy wrote: I'm a DT! :D as in the unit.... 2k posts lol lol you fucker. grats | ||
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On March 09 2013 08:52 MeatlessTaco wrote: "I know but I'm not telling you, nah nah" I don't know anything more than anyone else that has read the thread. And I don't know where I implied that. Game-theory like: you don't give your opponent information while it is their turn to act. I thought that would be an obvious logical conclusion. He was referring to my attempt to bait an explanation out of him. | ||
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On March 09 2013 09:23 Arctic Daishi wrote: Well I know I'm not the mafia guy, so why would I vote for myself? Well there's no arguing with that logic. NW, Luneth since you two have been around, what are your thoughts? | ||
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Worst case scenario, he is bad townie (downgrade that to completely useless townie) and wasn't of any help to us anyway. Better than mislynching a townie who is actually helpful. | ||
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Hopefully you learn a little for next time! | ||
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On March 09 2013 09:58 Mocsta wrote: Geript will replace ChewOnStu, effectively immediately Again: IMPORTANT: SEND ANY ACTIONS TO ALL OF THE HOSTS. If you don't, it will not get counted. Oh that's interesting. Hai Geript I'm sure there will be all sorts of meta shenanigans b/w you and me eventually but since LX is going on I think we'll have to tone it town at first. | ||
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+ Show Spoiler + Just kidding, well done everyone! Huge props specifically to TRN for his support too, this basically makes him confirmed town in my eyes. | ||
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On March 09 2013 10:00 WaveofShadow wrote: Oh that's interesting. Hai Geript I'm sure there will be all sorts of meta shenanigans b/w you and me eventually but since LX is going on I think we'll have to tone it town at first. EBWOP: tone it down. I swear that was not a what would you call that? A town-slip? Anyway, unintentional. | ||
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On March 09 2013 10:12 OmniEulogy wrote: I still say Taco is mafioso #2 but for the sake of argument Town Taco Mafia had more than enough chances to jump at my invitation to lynch Taco, I feel the case was and still is well made and perfectly acceptable. Only Frorgon and NW joined the wagon attempt on Taco and both switched to Arctic before the lynch. possible bus, but they weren't needed for the lynch and could have claimed my case made more sense than a shot at the dark into our lurker pool. Scum Taco We forced scum into deciding who to lynch, those who started the Arctic lynch are town, I'm town for trying to lynch Taco, Remaining mafioso most likely on the NW Wagon or bussed Arctic because Taco is more valuable (possible mafia power role as Arctic was a regular goon). I'm extremely happy with this lynch either way and this is just quickly how I see us proceeding if we look at Taco as being under suspicion. I disagree with a lot of this. I agree that Taco is not out of the woods yet (still waiting on his reads) but in no way does this lynch confirm anybody as town, LEAST of all you. This is all WIFOM because if you're scum then it could just as easily follow that Taco is town and Frorgon is scum alongside you. (Hell, we might have only 2 scum and a 3rd party role) NW could also technically still be scum since I believe there has to be at least 1 scum amongst the NW-voters, which would mean scum are spreading out their votes to not look suspicious; an entirely likely D1 scenario. | ||
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On March 09 2013 10:27 OmniEulogy wrote: I'm saying if Taco is scum in that scenario o.O and I never said NW was town in any of that I agree that I think it's possible that 1 scum was on NW, and if Taco is also scum, he bussed Arctic. I'm not sure where you are disagreeing considering you just went over everything I said =/ And I never claimed town from this lynch either. lol I didn't really discuss this lynch just the fact that Taco is still probably scum and he bussed Arctic because the only two choices were himself or arctic.Oh, derp I think I stopped considering that you were speaking hypothetically somewhere in there? In any case, I think we may need to be careful as to how much scumhunting we do tonight, though if things go as I might expect them to, I think D2 might be just as easy as today was despite the lurkers. | ||
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On March 09 2013 15:24 geript wrote: My name is Geript, but I will allow you to call me sexy. I am fat but loathe fast food. I prefer long walks on the beach on cloudless nights. I hate Kevin J Anderson. His books ruined so many series: Star Wars, X-Files, Dune. That is all. Are you going to wait until D2 to give us some reads? Just curious. + Show Spoiler + Also I know this is not about mafia but allow me this. YES. HE FUCKED DUNE SO HARD I HATED IT BUT READ IT ANYWAY ARGHHHH | ||
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On March 10 2013 04:24 MeatlessTaco wrote: I think I'd prefer a lurker to geript. I prefer this Geript. On March 09 2013 20:38 geript wrote: + Show Spoiler + On March 09 2013 18:55 WaveofShadow wrote: Also I know this is not about mafia but allow me this. YES. HE FUCKED DUNE SO HARD I HATED IT BUT READ IT ANYWAY ARGHHHH You seem knowledgeable of the subject in hand. What do you think of 'new/old' Dune. Worth reading or do you think it is too terrible to stand? Is KJA an intentionally bad author? I wanted to see how it ended and read a couple of the 'old history' series and stuff...they're awful. Supposedly the final books and those ones were based on notes they found by Herbert himself but honestly it seems really damn unlikely; to me it seems like they wanted to create a whole different direction for the series to go, wrote a retarded backstory for it (thinking machines) and then made the last book tie into their retarded backstory so they could feel like they actually contributed. The writing and plot were absolutely awful. | ||
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Krafla I hope you see how scummy you look to the rest of us right now; I'm not sure I care if you get targeted N1. Explain your vote process for D1 and any new reads you have please. | ||
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On March 10 2013 08:03 MeatlessTaco wrote: I just read that part and I took it differently. I thought MLuneth could have hedged his bets better had he known AD was mafia. I considered that a towny post. Of course you would, you did the exact same thing. | ||
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On March 10 2013 09:05 Krafla wrote: Right so seeing as we're after deadline. I am a one-shot cop I checked MLuneth tonight and as soon as I get my result back I will tell you the result. That's a very early blueclaim, and I would not have advised that; chances are you weren't a prime target for scum KP. OE your case doesn't really bring anything new to the table and no offense, but they're pretty simple observations. It all depends whether or not you think AD was capable of thought beyond basic "I am mafia therefor I must vote to kill town" and there was no discussion in the mafia qt amongst the team. I'm hesitant to FOS Taco or Luneth yet, but Luneth looks way scummier to me atm. Plus about 5 lurkers. | ||
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On March 10 2013 09:21 OmniEulogy wrote: either JK is amazing, RB is amazing or both so happy with this town :DThis is VERY interesting. I'm about to drop a bombshell. | ||
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I was roleblocked as well. Simple case scenario is JK saved me from a night shot and mafia RB chose Krafla at random. There are a LOT of other possible scenarios though, none of which I like very much. | ||
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WARNING: WIFOM + Show Spoiler + It's possible that Krafla is lying and mafia didn't shoot to try and give him town cred. Unlikely but possible. The other thing I find suspicious is OE's 'JK list' earlier. He suggests me, Raven and Geript as NK targets when realistically I am probably prime target after D1 in terms of danger to scumteam. He makes it extremely obvious but then why would scum go for the most obvious target for a JK save when it would be incredibly easy to just hit one of the slightly less active (but not lurky) townies who would essentially be a sure kill? Again, fair amount of WIFOM here but that strikes me as bad scum play (which of course might be possible given AD's first day). If the simplest case scenario is proven true we are dealing with a not-so-devious scumteam and they're playing a very straight game which should make it easy for us. | ||
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On March 10 2013 09:55 geript wrote: @WoS one, don't wifom. 2. Raven was a much better target than you. I disagree, and apparently so did town JK. | ||
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I need to go eat right now but I'll have a closer look at his filter after. I don't want to discount the fact the Luneth is still really scummy (despite OE gunning for him) and the fuck-tons of lurk we have in this thread. In the meantime I'd like to hear more from Taco, Frorgon and NW. Are you guys around? What do you think of Geript's case on OE? | ||
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Re: your reads------crap. Frorgon could very easily be scum trying to branch out his vote from the rest of his team so as not to seem suspicious. Reads based solely on voting mean nothing. Chew/Geript read is useless based on Chew's early play. He lurked. I'm fine with Geript for now and he is far from useless. I'm not even going through the rest of this. All you're doing here is summarizing what a bunch of people did with no real conclusions aside from whether you think they're scummy or not. If you want to make a case against someone, focus on them, don't divide attention. | ||
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On March 09 2013 08:18 OmniEulogy wrote: well fuck it. If I keep trying to lynch Taco more people are going to mistake that for me trying to save Arctic even though I've said at least three times I think Arctic is scummy as well ##Unvote ##Vote: Arctic Daishi WoS I think we agree with each other on who is scummy it's just unfortunate we couldn't agree on who to lynch first. Let's hope this goes well. Yeah here's the problem. You keep bringing up that + Show Spoiler + On March 09 2013 08:08 OmniEulogy wrote: NW can vote to save his ass well.. tie on Arctic and I've already said I'll switch if I can't convince people to lynch Taco, but I've still got 2 hours to see if I can do it. As you yourself said, even his defense dabbles in scum MO. I don't understand how we aren't lynching this guy today. post as your defense to Geript's mini-case (and I do agree I'd like to hear a little more----as he put it---'expansion and consolidating' to convince us). I do not think that post accomplishes what you think it does. Just because you were forced to switch my a better and stronger case could have just meant you were switching to avoid looking scummier, which you state yourself. Nowhere do you actually bring up evidence as to Daishi's scumminess, you essentially just sheep on board while making it look as though we're dragging you hands and feed. You have a LOT of soft defense of Daishi in your filter (which bduddy point out quite well earlier on as evidence against Daishi) and whereas you call him scummy, you just lump him in with the lurkers who are null at best and you don't seem altogether convinced. | ||
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EBWOP: Just because you were forced to switch to my better and stronger case could have just meant you were switching to avoid looking scummier, which you state yourself. Nowhere do you actually bring up evidence as to Daishi's scumminess, you essentially just sheep on board while making it look as though we're dragging you hands and feet. You have a LOT of soft defense of Daishi in your filter (which bduddy point out quite well earlier on as evidence against Daishi) and whereas you call him scummy, you just lump him in with the lurkers who are null at best and you don't seem altogether convinced. | ||
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As to your reasons for voting Taco, I'm not saying they're not genuine here either. But the fact remains that the Daishi case was strengthened by adding increasing points about his own scumminess, not by weakening the case on Taco. You soft defending Daishi constantly throughout the game doesn't look good now, regardless of your intentions and you have to accept that. The fact that you continued to to attempt to prove your own case by continually sticking up for Daishi looks worse. On March 09 2013 07:22 OmniEulogy wrote: if Arctic is scum and you guys nail him, it's fantastic but I'm still wondering how he is different from the other lurkers like bduddy. If we just talk about Arctic being lynched and flipping scum, the only thing we gain is scum being down by 1 which is huge for D1 don't get me wrong but his absence means we don't learn much else from it. My question to him at that point was the best I could do, he literally had 0 posts to his name, and all the questions were more aimed towards seeing peoples reactions to me asking them, and how people felt about Luneth as opposed to Arctic (who wasn't even a subject of conversation at that point). I guess if I look at it from a point that Arctic wouldn't vote on his own scum buddies, we might be able to clear the people he's voted on as being town? Although even that is a shot in the dark. Don't get particularly upset about me grilling you, I'm playing Devil's Advocate to get more info out of you. This is mafia. | ||
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On March 10 2013 11:33 bduddy wrote: At this point I'm most worried about Krafla. A first day of few, useless posts, except an out-of-nowhere, poorly justified, and essentially bandwagoning vote of NW, followed by that whole story about being a one-shot cop. I'm also worried about this: WTF does that mean? The point of this game is to lynch the mafia, not to lynch the most interesting people. Yes, his story does somewhat make sense (I was lurking because I was a blue), but at the same time, why did he continue to lurk so much if he was only a one-shotter, planning to use his power at his first opportunity, and was never under real threat? It does seem like a waste of a risky fakeclaim to simply say "I was roleblocked", but that could just be Krafla playing it safe, or playing badly. This is one of the biggest problems I think in these newbie games; it becomes particularly difficult to distinguish between bad town/mafia/inexperienced player. I'm leaning town on Krafla since I have no choice but to believe the most obvious conclusion to the lack of NK. And for the record (since I'm sure OE is typing furiously right now to attempt to refute my recent post) I'm not voting OE either, at the very least not until I see an expanded case from Geript. If anything a lot of Geript's work has been done for him since OE has been under scrutiny for much of the game; I'd like to see him bring up something new, à la TRN's case on Daishi. | ||
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On March 10 2013 11:36 OmniEulogy wrote: considering he's no longer in the game and has been replaced we lost a pretty good chance to find out. But my point still stands that if Arctic hadn't played as if he was brain dead we most likely wouldn't have ended up lynching him due to the fact that he looked exactly like Chew, and every lurker seems scummy. No, your point doesn't stand OE. Because the only reason I pushed him was specifically because of the way he acted when he came back. That makes him vastly different from a lurker and ironically, he probably would have survived had he not come back at all. | ||
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I like your second post better I suppose because it gets a different conversation started. Why do mafia want me dead? Because I dug up Daishi and got attention on him, am very vocal about scumhunting, and appear to be basically confirmed town to just about everybody as no one has brought up suspicion regarding me at all. I am an obvious threat to scum, arguably more than TRN who is confirmed town in my eyes because I have more experience than he does. Now as far as bussing every single scumbuddy this is null because we don't know enough about Luneth or Taco to call them scum in my opinion. Not to mention I don't see my direct suspicions on anyone as being reason to target me on their own, that's bad scum play. You also laid heavy suspicion on Frorgon early, does that mean according to your defense you were trying to bus him too? This defense doesn't get you anywhere. | ||
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On March 10 2013 11:56 geript wrote: Omni, who are your top scum reads and why? Yeah, this isn't enough. I'm doing all your work for you right now, and if you expect me to believe that you actually want OE lynched you'd better come up with something or I'm dropping it. | ||
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On March 10 2013 12:04 Frorgon wrote: I've been looking through Rainbows' filter to try to get a read on him. Despite the disappearance, I'm still leaning town on him. - Wave offers to hunt scum with him. He declines. If he was scum I feel like he would have been more willing to go along with it because he might be able to influence Wave's decision making to his liking that way. - Changes his vote to me after claiming that a NW bandwagon gives scum an easy chance to hide. - Any return and vote change would probably have made him look even more suspicious than he does now. If he returned and voted for Arctic it would have looked like a buss, and if he returned and voted for NW it would have looked like he was trying to defend Arctic. The isn't entirely conclusive so I would still like to hear from Rainbows himself about his thoughts on what has happened since he left. I agree somewhat with this, though your first point is null, I made a blatant buddying attempt (which is seen as scummy generally) and he didn't want to be associated with it one way or the other. I still lean town on him based on early play though he definitely needs come back and help out; much like Daishi his posting when he gets back will be crucial as to determination of his alignment. And if he doesn't come back or help we can always lynch him. On March 10 2013 12:04 geript wrote: WoS no confirmed townie talk please. Way too early for that. No it's not. And besides I don't really care what others think of me, I was just pointing out what their actions seem to delineate. As for TRN, I've said it before, and that's still just my opinion. Now I feel like I'm filling up this thread so I'm done talking until someone gives me something useful to talk about. | ||
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Luneth is a much stronger vote and I've been leaning towards him since last night after Daishi was hammered. Glad to have you back, Rainbows, and strong delurk. The only thing that bothers me is with such a strong case, where's your vote? Vote: MLuneth Maybe this will get him to come back and start answering some questions. I don't even know what to say about Matriarch. | ||
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On March 08 2013 14:20 MLuneth wrote: Yeah, was going to get to that in my post. Considering changing vote to one of several people When will Arctic Daishi be replaced if he doesn't respond? On March 08 2013 14:14 MeatlessTaco wrote: FYI.. Arctic has 2 posts total on TL.net. He'll probably be replaced. The fact that the both of them asked when he was going to be replaced is curious, and might add up to a scumteam 'plan' to pretend they thought he was going to be replaced when they knew very well he'd show up to make them look good. (Not realizing we'd lynch him, obv) | ||
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On March 10 2013 15:16 bduddy wrote: Whoa, this MLuneth bandwagon is moving awfully quickly. I don't see most of Rainbows' case as pointing scum any more than it points to a legitimate town newbie. Is everyone else really just buying Krafla's story at face value? And Rainbows... could you please explain exactly why we should not be voting for OE? My vote stays where it is. Rainbows' case is decent enough considering we don't have more to go on until Luneth comes back. I don't like all of these random questions from you though bduddy. Can you explain why we shouldn't be believing Krafla? As far as voting OE, hopefully his continued strong (though very tunnel-y) attempts at scumhunting are enough to convince people that there are scummier candidates out there. There are a couple of very good points in his most recent case and the longer Taco goes without helping himself out the scummier he looks. In my opinion OE's continued effort and Geript's decided lack of such actually makes Geript look kinda scummy. Still awaiting that promised case. | ||
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The fact that 2/3 of the thread has not shown up to vote is disconcerting. | ||
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On March 11 2013 06:19 bduddy wrote: How do you get that? The mafia almost certainly chose to kill someone last night - the only reason they didn't is that they were roleblocked. This game doesn't have a doctor. All mafia have kill power in this game (read the PMs). Unless there's only one mafia left, which is highly unlikely, it's not going to be the same guy killing next time. Yes, I know that someone who claimed town RB right now would obviously become a mafia target, but if we get a mafia out of that I think that's a good trade for us. Wrong, bduddy. Chances are very slim that we have both a RB and a JK; that would most likely be imbalanced. The JK protected me (I was roleblocked) which is why there was no kill last night. | ||
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On March 11 2013 06:26 geript wrote: I have to agree with WoS. JK makes the most sense; besides town RB claiming should be obvious and should've happened by now making JK the obvious call. That doesn't remove WoS from the scum list, but it does move him more towards being trusted. WoS... what don't you like about the OE case? You seem to have ignored it entirely. I read it late last night and I don't remember what my specific conclusions were, all I remember was that it didn't convince me. I'll re-read. | ||
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OE's case on Frorgon had fair points to it, but was weak in general. OE stated himself it was early in the game. Maybe it would've looked less bad if he didn't go balls out voting for him that early? Whatever I don't see anything about the case itself that makes OE look scummy. The point about discouraging interaction is good but it's not enough on its own. Same conclusion: unnecessary, null. Interesting point you bring up about OE targeting the 'weak members of the herd.' This doesn't seem like inherently different behaviour than OE has been exhibiting all game however; Frorgon and Taco have essentially been his only targets thus far, and he has tunneled Taco HARD. Taco is inevitably going to have come back and defend himself either way, AGAIN. OE's tunneling and the association between him and AD are the strongest points against him imo, though I've already asked OE about these things myself (and he doesn't quite address either of these points head-on). There is a huge difference between him about half the people in this game, however, and that OE has continually demonstrated that he CARES about the lynch target, and actively gets involved in discussion. He has some scummy traits about but I think it may just be him going about defending himself/his cases in slightly the wrong way. He just doesn't scream scum to me like AD did, and it's not worth a mislynch on someone so active. Honestly the fact that you haven't voted for OE yourself means that you yourself must have considerable doubt in OE's scumminess. I just don't think he's worth focusing today when there are people who shown no positive ability at all thus far. | ||
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Until something changes in the thread (ie people fucking PARTICIPATE) my vote stays. | ||
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I just read his filter, he doesn't target anyone else at all. He talks about them briefly, but considering his entire filter is dedicated to Taco I wouldn't call that targeting. Yes he bitches and whines when you target him, he did the same thing to me as well; I don't necessarily see that as being scummy, I can see that as being frustrated when people don't believe you. His recent case isn't much better than his older one, but as I've said there are scummier people than him to go for today. We can re-examine him at a later date but he's not red enough for me to vote him today. | ||
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See Geript, THAT'S how you make a convincing post. I could definitely see final two scum being Taco/Luneth. I still worry a bit about the rest of the lurkers...what would be your suggestion if we hit a mislynch today (whether we end up voting Taco or Luneth)? Should we delve into lurker territory or just lynch the other? | ||
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There's literally nothing for us to do until Taco/Luneth(/Matriarch?) come back and no one is accusing you of anything right now. If nothing happens for another whole bunch of hours we have to make up our minds as to which of the two we want dead. Will everyone (who's been active anyway) be back before lynch tomorrow? | ||
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On March 11 2013 12:36 geript wrote: Also, if he was one of your "scum reads" which for whatever god forsaken reason you equate to "I called them scummy" then why did you make this post: That doesn't tell me that you think Arctic looks scummy. You even refuse to call him scummy; rather you wouldn't argue against that he looks scummy. You're actively thinking about Arctic as town and trying to say that he's a scum read and that he was one of your scum reads. Congratulations, we'll be lynching you tomorrow. I wasn't going to step in to try and let it die, but wtf is this Geript? I'm pretty sure we've established that we won't be lynching him tomorrow, as there are scummier people out there; most of the town has already agreed to this. Why are you still trying to push this? To me it looks like: a) You're really reaching and arguing semantics at the way OE decided to use the word scummy and the phrasing he used. If he's actively thinking of AD as town wouldn't that make him town (wrong, but town)? If he was scum he'd know what AD was. b) You're actively trying to stir up shit since OE seems to have a bit of a short fuse to him. I don't like either case. Give it a rest, Geript. | ||
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I read through it but have to read more closely to get a good idea of where we stand. Some quick off-the-cuff thoughts: Krafla - Either very devious mafia (getting some serious coaching/help or something) or super newbie. I'm leaning towards the second. Krafla you were not roleblocked by town, we don't have a roleblocker, only JK who blocked me. MeatlessTaco - I'm still not set on changing my vote to him as he hasn't come back since the beginning of the day. Without more information I'm going to do a read of Luneth's recent (HORRIBLY FORMATTED) defenses. MLuneth - Reading now. Don't think his case against Rainbows stands. | ||
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On March 12 2013 04:41 TheRavensName wrote: Mafia does have one though, or at least its not out of the question they do. Yes. I know. | ||
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On March 12 2013 04:58 TheRavensName wrote: The big issue I have with lynching Luneth is that he was the first person to vote on Arctic. Granted it was only a pressure vote but... why would you pressure vote someone you know for a fact isn't there if you have a QT they hadn't showed up in yet and then say your just doing a random lurker pressure? He could have hit chew or someone else first. Seems a touch early for a bus, but I'm not ruling it out as a possibility... just I think its a less likely possibility. Because it's fairly obvious he could be lying. If you'll remember we had a few other people do the exact same thing, Taco's vote on Cos/Geript being one of them. 'Voting pressure' on lurkers who are barely in the thread is barely pressure at all, and is a scummy way of making your vote LOOK like it matters where it is. I learned this in my first NMM game. | ||
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On March 11 2013 18:39 MLuneth wrote: + Show Spoiler + On March 10 2013 13:56 Rainbows wrote: Hey guys, sorry I've pretty much been a lurking piece of shit so far since mid day 1. Sorry, things to do, people to see, roomates to argue with. I'm looking at the red lynch atm... MLuneth is looking like a prime candidate for todays lynch imo. Opening Post Completely buddies Omni, and acts all "pro town" by not wanting to lynch Krafla (which, was obviously a troll vote). MLuneth joke votes me, but someone calls him out on it, and get's really paranoid. Why would town need to verify their obvious joke post was a joke? Nervous scum. A weak distancing attempt Basically coinflip votes Arctic Daishi, which seems oddly enough like an attempt to disassociate the two should one of them flip. There is no reasoning behind it. This scummy vote Blatantly sheeps the NW vote, and keeps it there the entire game. And for what reason? Suspiciously targeting lurkers... OH WAIT, hypocrisy! Wasn't that exactly what MLuneth was doing? In addition, ML is picking on someone that hasn't defended themselves explicitly. Scum want to hit the easiest target, and someone who provided an "acceptable coherent defence" is just that. Look at this vote again. Notice how he asks ME a question. Why me? Why not, you know, the guy you are voting for and want to lynch? Town mentality = zero. The vote is a blatant sheep with little-to-no reason and is used as a catalyst (somehow) to ask me a question. The vote is more about me than it is about NW. Lynch this guy. ^ There's that "no defence" statement again. ML hasn't attempted (even badly) to scumhunt at all to find a better candidate than NW. @MLuneth Respond to this. Do things. Stop playing the noob card all game and perform. Responding to said things. Opening Post + Show Spoiler + On March 07 2013 12:24 MLuneth wrote: Flavour was certainly pretty sweet  I know it's my first game so I'm still learning but I don't think we should just lynch Krafla without reason, even if it would be fantastically ironic. Your post Omni seems pretty reasonable and a good basis to work on ^_^ Completely buddies Omni, and acts all "pro town" by not wanting to lynch Krafla (which, was obviously a troll vote). I think you're reading into it a bit too much here, sounds like you've already decided that I'm maf -__- MLuneth joke votes me, but someone calls him out on it, and get's really paranoid. + Show Spoiler + On March 07 2013 12:55 MLuneth wrote: Last post was a joke, if that wasn't clear Why would town need to verify their obvious joke post was a joke? Nervous scum. Town can get lynched too. Nervous town doesn't want to get lynched D1 for a misunderstanding on a joke post. A weak distancing attempt + Show Spoiler + Basically coinflip votes Arctic Daishi, which seems oddly enough like an attempt to disassociate the two should one of them flip. There is no reasoning behind it. On March 07 2013 17:34 MLuneth wrote: EBWOP Forgot to add TheRavensName to above list of people that have done little It really pisses me off that you seem to think that there is no reasoning behind this after I have explained that this was a pressure vote to get Daishi to stop lurking. Either that or you're just straight up lying. This scummy vote I would like to point out a previous post before I address this: This post at the very least shows that I was considering NW before I "sheeped" on that vote. I did "sheep" on that vote simply because there was a strong case against NW that I had already previously been considering. I have already addressed my "targeting" of lurkers. I want to attack what is (imo) the most likely person to be maf. If I have to sheep to do that, fine I will sheep. I'm not sure if . is a spelling mistake, but someone who provides a clear coherent defence is not an easy target bro. This.... "Thing" + Show Spoiler + ]Look at this vote again. Notice how he asks ME a question. Why me? Why not, you know, the guy you are voting for and want to lynch? Town mentality = zero. The vote is a blatant sheep with little-to-no reason and is used as a catalyst (somehow) to ask me a question. The vote is more about me than it is about NW. Read my posts which clearly show my reasoning before you make idiotic statements like this. Why not NW? I've already asked him questions and was waiting for a response. OMGUS? Next post will show how Rainbows post on me was incredibly scummy is OMGUS but points will be valid Alright gonna get into this clusterfuck of a post. Luneth, Rainbows is right. Nervous/paranoid townie doesn't look like townie at all. Your 'pressure vote?' I've already explained. Useless against someone who you have professed to not be around at all. Looks scummy. As for the rest of this post I can't for the life of me get through the formatting so I'll ignore that part of Rainbows' case on you for now. Something about how it's OMGUS because he voted for you and now you're voting for him? I don't get it. Whatever. On March 11 2013 19:10 MLuneth wrote: Just saw Krafla's post. I will not vote with town when I think there is someone more likely to be maf. Furthermore, consider the possibilities of the last lynch 1. NW gets most votes, gets lynched 2. Tie, NW gets lynched 3. AD gets most votes gets lynched Either the person who I think is most likely to be scum is lynched or the person who the "town consensus" gets lynched. CONCLUSION Both look scummy, I voted for the one who (imo) looked more scummy If such a vote happened where of the two major candidates one looked scummy while the other didn't and my vote was on a third person, I'm going to switch to who I think looks the scummiest and has a chance of being lynched. Hope this clears stuff up THIS post, however just looks awful for you Luneth. You're basically completely remorseless about throwing your vote away D1, and now you're prepared to do it again just because you claim to be 'voting for the person you believe to be scum.' You realize that by spreading out the votes it makes it more easy for scum to hide in useless votes so they won't be seen as guilty during a mislynch, right? As for your talk of NW being scum, he's not, and didn't look scummy at all since his return D1. 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On March 12 2013 05:20 MeatlessTaco wrote: My defense: I pushed for votes. People said votes don't mean anything. What got scum killed on day 1? I don't think MLuneth has a huge chance of being scum right now. So I'm not going to instant vote yet. Oh lord is this scummy. Voting against people who aren't there is useless, especially at the beginning of a day when people like YOU can lurk all day and not be threatened until the lynch is about to happen. (PS. I'm pointing out that your return to thread right now is scummy.) Voting itself isn't useless, the way YOU did it is. This 'triumphant return' to the thread had better be more than your 2 line post considering you're on the block right now. | ||
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We've already lynched one scum. We only have two more. Impossible. Just throwing random suspicions out there with no backup to them? Scummy as all hell. I think we may have our game gentlemen, Luneth and Taco both going down. | ||
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On March 12 2013 05:44 MeatlessTaco wrote: ##Vote: MLuneth I don't see it, but you all seem to be so sure of yourselves. I think I can get on board. ##Unvote: MLuneth ##Vote: MeatlessTaco | ||
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On March 12 2013 06:06 MeatlessTaco wrote: lol. Town will mislynch through day 4, but it should still be an easy town win. You don't need nor want my help. Honestly, that's a horrible attitude. If you truly believe you are being mislynched, give us something to help us win; you still win after you die. How are we supposed to believe that you're town considering the fact that you've put no effort in at all today? | ||
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I think it's probably more interesting now to consider what the flip itself means. Who exactly has been pushing Taco for two days and KNEW he was town...? We might find our scum there. (Would also like to see a Matriarch flip because she should be modkilled for not voting.) | ||
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On March 12 2013 19:41 geript wrote: I really wanted to lynch the thinking machine, but then the moon opens its mouth. I see what you did there. | ||
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Geript i gotta ask about your breadcrumbs. Aside from the ones i picked up on, what was going on? | ||
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Well gg town; it was kind of an uncharacteristically easy game it seemed. GL in the next one! | ||
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