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On March 14 2013 02:20 Rainbows wrote:Show nested quote +On March 14 2013 02:13 TheRavensName wrote:
No your suspicios for changing your whole philsophy. Theres a differance, and your not my current vote are ya? Until I figure otherwise, you got lower priority than luneth omni and whatever I can figure on Sn0 sense right now I got nothing. Day 1 and subsequent days are different. Day 1 we have no info, Day 2 we go off D1's info. Ofc my play changed, because I'm not going to faceroll over random people for any little thing when I'm trying to nail scum.
You could be attack dogging your scum suspects then. Even if Luneth turns out to be scum 2, were still short 1 more... find out who he is.
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On March 14 2013 02:31 Rainbows wrote:
@MLuneth
Suddenly, for zero reasoning at all, I don't want to lynch you anymore! Let's lynch Geript instead :D Nutter Butter is scum!
##Unvote
##Vote: Geript
Did you test the nutter butter for DNA evidence first?
For some reason... maybe cause its Geript, I feel okay with this vote even with lack of a case.... would still like to see one though if you got one other than frustration.
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On March 14 2013 02:36 Rainbows wrote:
I'm not interested in anyone elses response but MLuneth's, thank you.
Wanna lynch le Geript mans?
Given his averge posting time habit, its going to take him some time to get back to you,
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On March 14 2013 02:48 Sn0_Man wrote:Show nested quote +On March 14 2013 02:44 TheRavensName wrote:On March 14 2013 02:36 Rainbows wrote:
I'm not interested in anyone elses response but MLuneth's, thank you.
Wanna lynch le Geript mans? Given his averge posting time habit, its going to take him some time to get back to you, Wasn't MLuneth from Australia or something? On the plus side, we have 30+ hours to lynch so no crazy rush. PS: Something tells me this is just a ploy from Rainbows to get MLuneth to make a case. A noble attempt, I guess...
I don't know why you would say something. I reached the same conclusion but didn't want to risk ruining it. Way to go sn0
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On March 14 2013 09:37 geript wrote:No, if you're going to make a case, make a case; all you made we're some points most of which Sn0 already pointed out. I demand more.
I'm gunna agree wih geript... don't take the easy way out... Give me something new that hasn't already been said Luneth.
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On March 14 2013 09:53 geript wrote:Show nested quote +On March 07 2013 11:14 OmniEulogy wrote:
I think policy lynches should be used as a last case scenario, if we are stuck at the end of D1, lynch the scummiest lurker.
I've been thinking a while and I think this is the main reason why I'm suspicious of Omni. At the end of D1, Artctic was clearly the scummiest lurker around IMO by a wide margin. The points that Raven and WoS re: Arctic had made were pretty clear. Yet, throughout OE's filter even from early on he seems to be defending Arctic and deflecting to Taco. From a town perspective, I can understand why OE found Taco as many of us did, but what I cannot understand from a town perspective ESPECIALLY using 'scummiest lurker' as a guide is why OE would try to shift votes toward Taco who was FAR less scummy that Arctic. I can understand why, from a town perspective, he would want to question seemingly random votes. However I cannot understand why from that viewpoint he would seemingly focus more on random votes on Arctic more than other seemingly random votes. The last point that I can't understand from a town perspective is why he would stop pressuring a lurker to stop lurking once they posted a little bit. His premise is that lurkers are bad for town which is a simple and straight forward position to take from either side. Yet now he's completely lurks. If he (as town) really wants to push people to not lurking, then there is no reason to stop pushing them. From a town perspective with this basis he should be trying hard to fight against lurkers and pressuring them constantly. However, I don't see him doing that at all. While his filter is longer, it doesn't look to me that he's doing more than trying to appear active and helpful. This is the basis of scum: he doesn't follow through on his perceived 'town' agenda--This is scum mentality. He also doesn't try to push his 'town' agenda (scummiest lurker) against the obvious target--Arctic--because it goes against his actual agenda of keeping Scum alive. This makes him Scum. Vote OE.
He also lurked hard when we finally got Taco and I was the one keeping that going, my bad, despite that being his main read. That rubs me wrong, it really does.Enough to start buying the idea that he corrected and defended me day 1 to build some cred even when it would further his case if he didn't jump in.
I dislike how he soft defended ARctic, that he even argued that lynching arctic did nothing for us no matter what he flipped. He also made a cute little slip looking back at it.
On March 09 2013 08:24 OmniEulogy wrote:
hahaha it happens, quite a lot in mafia. NW voting for him was good imo unfortunately I don't think I'm gonna get any of you to move off Arctic unless Taco comes back and basically claims scum so, I still take responsibility for being part of the people who lynch Arctic and hopefully switching my vote now won't hurt any town credibility I had because I feel that we (the current active players) are working together quite well. If this lynch is right hopefully we can get on a roll.
Why is he worried about his town credability? A town player shouldn't be, least according to the guides on the front page, why would he? Especially sense the majority of people already soft or hard confirmed they thought omni was town or just a good enough role model to have in the thread for us noobies.
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On March 14 2013 11:33 MLuneth wrote:
Hello? I was one of the people who started the vote, expressing concern before most others. I didn't vote at the time because trying to get AD to wake up.
Tired of explaining this -___-
His point wasn't you cant scum hunt... his point was theres 2 scum... do you have a second read?
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On March 14 2013 12:43 geript wrote:
I think it would be beneficial for people to start taking stances between Omni/Luneth as those seem to be the two primary reads. I'm not opposed to someone trying to make a strong case for against a third party instead (even if its against me), but to gather further information I think we need to start making people pick a side.
I'm from Hive Char, and I say kill em all.
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On March 14 2013 13:10 nobodywonder wrote:
^ For the swarm. Kill Luneth and then Omni. I'm tired of Luneth's BS, saying that he has been contributing to town. Nope. you haven't and lemme break down your contributions. You better start scumhunting.
Apparently you need to vote then.
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The case on bduddy was pretty good with how little he posted, let me expand on it a little with some conjunction, + Show Spoiler +cause I really like brining WIFOM into things apparently
On March 09 2013 10:04 bduddy wrote:
And also, we still need to keep an eye on anyone that defended or refused to vote for AD, even if they eventually switched (once it became relatively obvious that he was going down).
Matriarch, MLuneth, and Krafla never switched their vote; I'd be willing to bet at least one of them was scum trying to keep AD in it.
This is a very valid point, OE was pretty against the AD lynch and Bduddy was one of the few people, and one of the firt, who brought it up and pointed as potential evidence against OE... but I can't help but wonder if he brought it up in case AD did die and he wanted to get OE out of it by making him look bad for opposing it, sort of like a soft bussing.
On March 09 2013 09:35 bduddy wrote:Show nested quote +On March 09 2013 09:33 Arctic Daishi wrote:Thanks for the advice and help, Promethelax. . I'm almost willing to believe him. Almost. AD, whoever your coach actually is, I would start PM'ing him some more, because it's not quite over yet. I'm still voting for you, though.
What was the point of this post? seems a little scummy to me, as a way of maybe getting people to hop off of AD, or even to have an excuse of a last minute switch. I mean... everyone else who read that goodbye I'm going to die post immediatly said: Holy rap that is scummy, kill him with fire..
He was even soft pushing for Taco along with OE day 1, (Look at his pestering of TAco quite a bit about information that wasn't relevant at the time because AD was going to die no matter what with how close to the deadline we were and he didn't want to make himself a target at night (which is a fairly valid point.)
I even think that given the amount of time he spends denying and pushing Krafia's blue claim that he could hve seen and pointed out the same braed crumbs I saw when I defende the blue claim, to the roleblocker and wanted to get Krafia lynhed so he cold move the roleblocker to hunting for our jailer. I really don't like how he wants our jailer to role claim whn everyone else agrees its a bad idea even with a 1 to 1 trade, and I can't help but think the mention of PMs, while they first pointed me to the front of the thread, may have been a slip on his part.
To think, when I started this post I thught bduddy was more innocnt then guilty till I started to look into his filter and compare it to the discussions at the time and other peoples reactions. Glad to see this pop up.. .cause I am still conflicted about the OE and mluneth lynchs, especially sense at this rate OE is looking like he will be replaced or modkilled.
##unvote
##vote bduddy
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On March 15 2013 04:00 geript wrote:Show nested quote +On March 08 2013 16:08 TheRavensName wrote:
Its one of the few things that seems to carry over between versions of this game bduddy. Show nested quote +On March 08 2013 16:40 bduddy wrote:
You mean the "blue" thing? I get that, having looked at some other Mafia games. But it doesn't match your previous posting style in this game... and the many spelling mistakes you've been making don't match your posting style in general. Again, I think you've been playing dumb. Raven could you explain this to me. I wasn't in the last game that it seems like you and bduddy were in. Could you also detail who was town/scum in that game?
Oh we wern't in a game together. As I said before I played a lot of the SC2 Mafia and a few games of IRC, so I'm used to games that take twenty minutes not twenty days (assuming like 6 day of games.) The last game I played of Mafia on TL was the first one I did, and that was Newbie Mini Mafia IX, where I got subbed in and the game ended like the next day cause one of the scum had to quit, the other was going to by lynched, and the last one had no kill power so thats why if you look at my early posts they really show how green I am at the long term forum version of the game.
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Well, I'm glad to see OE finally realized his icon didn't actually make his TL account a dark templar...
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On March 15 2013 04:20 Sn0_Man wrote:Think of it like a school essay  No plagiarism (aka sheeping), Original research is required. If somebody else gives you an idea, thats fine but you gotta go pursue it and, well, make original content.
So do it at the last second, pulling up wikipedia and hoping you changed it enough to not get flagged for plagerism before putting sources that say something kinda similar as the wikipedia page.
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On March 10 2013 09:57 TheRavensName wrote:
Well Krafia did state a couple of times he had cases and had no intention of revealing them till after day 2 started. I suppose you could use this as semi eviddence or slight bread crumbing. Mafia could have easily picked up on this and blocked him.
This is where I mentioned it.
PS: Oe your right both times, my bad.
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On March 15 2013 05:12 geript wrote:Show nested quote +On March 15 2013 04:54 TheRavensName wrote:On March 10 2013 09:57 TheRavensName wrote:
Well Krafia did state a couple of times he had cases and had no intention of revealing them till after day 2 started. I suppose you could use this as semi eviddence or slight bread crumbing. Mafia could have easily picked up on this and blocked him. This is where I mentioned it. PS: Oe your right both times, my bad. Show nested quote +On March 10 2013 04:46 Krafla wrote:
Good evening all, sorry for my period of absence over the lynch. Well done on catching a scum on Day 1! I'm going to go back and read what happened and then prepare a post for the start of Day 2, I don't see it being productive to share my thoughts in the middle of a night and offer scum something to think about! Show nested quote +On March 10 2013 05:41 Krafla wrote:
Yeah I realise how bad I look now, so I'm just going to have to try extra hard scum hunting in Day 2.
You mean these? That seems especially tenuous at best. Especially considering: Show nested quote +On March 10 2013 09:54 Krafla wrote:
I did not breadcrumb, I didn't want to risk mafia finding it and I wasn't confident enough in my ability to hide something without it being obvious.
Maybe he didn't realize he was breadclumbing, but I think he was or could be seen as doing it.
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On March 15 2013 08:05 geript wrote:
As a reminder to folks: tl;dr case version on Luneth
1. No scum hunting period
2. Implied guilt out the wazoo
3. Called NW's case on CoS bad for no reason
4. Flip flops on CoS being a lurking pos
5. Flip flops on targeting lurkers being good
6. Does try to pressure anyone ever
7. Shit flinging as primary means of 'scum hunting'
8. Never gives a reason for anything
9. Is scum
Also he has been pushed as a scum canidate sense day 1. You forget that part. If were going to focus on him that long then he should be hung over OE.
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On March 16 2013 00:42 Sn0_Man wrote:
I come back to the thread, and I see that MLuneth was, in fact scum. Without the benefit of seeing the flip, I still think Omni was a better lynch in that circumstance but at least we hit scum. The next thing I see is: "OMG SNO SCUM" from like 3 different people. Can somebody explain this to me or is just some silly knee-jerk reaction because I wouldn't jump on your bandwagon?
If you guys don't want to post too much before the night action deadline thats fine but I thought that we established that in order to make it hard for scum to blend in (something which we are clearly succeeding at), legitimate, well thought out cases were a pre-requisite to accusations this game.
Gotta be honest, seems like our successful lynches are gut feelings that just soI think happen to have passable case, nut what the hell... I'll try making another ones. Kinda like this defense, outside of calling it silly, it just feels scummy.
Luneth has been a lynch target sense day 1, we finally just got around to it. As to the band wagon claim thing, I didn't jump on it and I'm not being FoSed. I really really dislike how you say Omni would have been a better lynch given there is only 1 scum left now. Really this game can be over if Jailer manages to hit hat last mafia player (I would say this should have priority over saving someone.... Like I would personally Jail and scan Sn0 over anyone right now.)
On March 14 2013 03:13 Sn0_Man wrote:Show nested quote +On March 14 2013 03:04 TheRavensName wrote:On March 14 2013 02:48 Sn0_Man wrote:On March 14 2013 02:44 TheRavensName wrote:On March 14 2013 02:36 Rainbows wrote:
I'm not interested in anyone elses response but MLuneth's, thank you.
Wanna lynch le Geript mans? Given his averge posting time habit, its going to take him some time to get back to you, Wasn't MLuneth from Australia or something? On the plus side, we have 30+ hours to lynch so no crazy rush. PS: Something tells me this is just a ploy from Rainbows to get MLuneth to make a case. A noble attempt, I guess... I don't know why you would say something. I reached the same conclusion but didn't want to risk ruining it. Way to go sn0 If you have to "trick" somebody into making cases it probably makes more sense to lynch them. If not, then my comment certainly shouldn't prevent MLuneth from responding in a reasonable manner. I mean, how dumb does this sound: "Hey guys, I tricked scum into making a case..." :X And as I said, if the target is town then you shouldn't need to "trick" them.
This is a bad bad exchange right here, I thought so when it went down but I mean knowing Luneth is red makes it much worse. If you really wanted people to make discussions and cases, you would have been encouraging such things. A case is just a case, it tells you what people are thinking no matter if they are sum or town. If you were really concerned about catching scum, you would have let this go.
+ Show Spoiler +On March 14 2013 00:47 Sn0_Man wrote:
PS: Krafla is looking kinda sketchy too with his claims but I'll have to re-read the OP and figure out what the hell he's claiming. On March 15 2013 01:53 Sn0_Man wrote:
Day 2, he is quick to cast suspicion on a perfectly legitimate blue-claim by Krafla. When there is an uncontested blue claim, that is a pretty easy confirmed town since it's pretty suicidal to false-claim there as scum. Bduddy doesn't want Krafla's claim to be accepted, despite the fact that it is an uncontested blue claim. Thats REALLY scummy
What uh, whats going on here? Why in the course of the day did a scum claim go from being sketchy and scummy to being perfectly legit because it was uncontested when it was uncontested at the time? This sure seems HUGELY suspicious to me, especially sense you've actually done quite a few games on here, slip ups like this and changes in mindset shouldn't happen like this as if you PMed the town coach asking if one mindset was better over the other or something. Your not as green as the rest of us lol.
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On March 16 2013 01:15 TheRavensName wrote:
Gotta be honest, seems like our successful lynches are gut feelings that just soI think happen to have passable case, nut what the hell.
EBWOP: Gotta be honest, seems like our successful lynches are gut feelings that just so happen to have passable cases, but what the hell I'll post what I think
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EBWOP2: i meant Blue Claim when I said Scum claim at the end there.
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On March 16 2013 01:43 Sn0_Man wrote:Krafla's blue claim was pretty questionably done, and it just looked really weird (on a completely "first-impression" basis). Once I read through the OP and thought about the setup (and kinda settled into the game a bit) it became clear that it was in fact an uncontested blue claim that made some amount of sense. My gut impression on it was clearly wrong. Its obviously wrong to lynch uncontested blue claims without some serious good reasons, so I left off Krafla after that. My point on bduddy was the only post he could remotely point to as "scumhunting" in a long stretch of his filter was throwing suspicion at Krafla, + Show Spoiler +On March 10 2013 11:33 bduddy wrote:At this point I'm most worried about Krafla. A first day of few, useless posts, except an out-of-nowhere, poorly justified, and essentially bandwagoning vote of NW, followed by that whole story about being a one-shot cop. I'm also worried about this: Show nested quote + I thought it better to lynch someone who would give us some information by letting us read into their posts. As I mentioned I had doubts on nobodywonder and MeatlessTaco but I felt that Meatless had promoted more interesting conversation than nobodywonder, so that's where I placed my vote. WTF does that mean? The point of this game is to lynch the mafia, not to lynch the most interesting people. Yes, his story does somewhat make sense (I was lurking because I was a blue), but at the same time, why did he continue to lurk so much if he was only a one-shotter, planning to use his power at his first opportunity, and was never under real threat? It does seem like a waste of a risky fakeclaim to simply say "I was roleblocked", but that could just be Krafla playing it safe, or playing badly. and by that point I'd established that krafla was pretty clearly town (barring some really really weird scum plan that if it existed is obviously not working so hot). Either way, I'm not gonna spend this entire night defending myself, it doesn't get us anywhere. Thankfully we have an 8-1 advantage on scum so we can afford this bullshit.
It can get you out of the gallows and could get the scum if they are attacking you... especially sense its night and there ant shit to do anyways.Ontop of this.... look at this thread, everyone whos said the "I'm not defending myself anymore fuck you guys." has gotten lynched. You... you sure you wanna play that way? You were nice enough to point out were 8/1.
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