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Well it's too late now to worry about Rainbows' scumminess right now we can't afford to spread ourselves out any thinner. I personally hope he shows up to give further insight but if not we're really going to have a good look at him soon too.
We REALLY need vote consolidation from the following people:
MeatlessTaco, Arctic Daishi, Rainbows, ChewonStu, Luneth, Matriarch, Krafla.
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On March 09 2013 08:08 OmniEulogy wrote:Show nested quote +On March 09 2013 08:04 WaveofShadow wrote:
Well it's too late now to worry about Rainbows' scumminess right now we can't afford to spread ourselves out any thinner. I personally hope he shows up to give further insight but if not we're really going to have a good look at him soon too.
We REALLY need vote consolidation from the following people:
MeatlessTaco, Arctic Daishi, Rainbows, ChewonStu, Luneth, Matriarch, Krafla. NW can vote to save his ass well.. tie on Arctic and I've already said I'll switch if I can't convince people to lynch Taco, but I've still got 2 hours to see if I can do it. As you yourself said, even his defense dabbles in scum MO. I don't understand how we aren't lynching this guy today.
But one or two vote differences isn't going to cut it. If we don't have a +3 differences in vote between the first and second place then it's possible (though unlikely) for scum/3rd party to move last second and force a mislynch.
I'm not saying Taco looks super innocent, btw, but I think Daishi is a better vote. Plus after the flip we may be able to start making associations related to Taco.
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On March 09 2013 08:21 bduddy wrote:Show nested quote +On March 09 2013 08:08 OmniEulogy wrote:On March 09 2013 08:04 WaveofShadow wrote:
Well it's too late now to worry about Rainbows' scumminess right now we can't afford to spread ourselves out any thinner. I personally hope he shows up to give further insight but if not we're really going to have a good look at him soon too.
We REALLY need vote consolidation from the following people:
MeatlessTaco, Arctic Daishi, Rainbows, ChewonStu, Luneth, Matriarch, Krafla. NW can vote to save his ass well.. tie on Arctic and I've already said I'll switch if I can't convince people to lynch Taco, but I've still got 2 hours to see if I can do it. As you yourself said, even his defense dabbles in scum MO. I don't understand how we aren't lynching this guy today. If you really want Taco to be lynched, you're not trying very hard. If you think someone else with actual support is also worthy of being lynched, why don't you switch your vote now?
He did, and I disagree I think he was trying. Glad to see the switch, Omni.
Taco, please respond to NW so we can lay this to rest for now?
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Alright so now it's 2 on Taco, 4 on NW, 4 on Daishi. We need 7 on Daishi.
Some of these lurkers had better come back because as it stands the only two who are here that COULD switch are NW and Luneth. (Though if Luneth switches I think we'd have hammer.)
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On March 09 2013 08:27 MeatlessTaco wrote:Show nested quote +On March 09 2013 08:20 nobodywonder wrote:Right now Taco and Arctic are both looking really bad. I have already said things about Arctic and I feel that he really should respond. I doubt he is simply afk. As for Taco. For generating content, it's not really content if it's rather directionless. So give us some reads, don't just try to act all innocent and excuse yourself from scumhunting when you yourself pointed the finger first. On March 09 2013 07:05 MeatlessTaco wrote:On March 09 2013 04:49 OmniEulogy wrote:I'm also quite worried about Taco. His actions so far are a mixture of scum/town so I can't get a good read on him. We have his opening joke vote, which alone I have no problem with On March 07 2013 14:47 MeatlessTaco wrote:On March 07 2013 14:06 WaveofShadow wrote:My GOD this thread is exciting.  On March 07 2013 14:17 nobodywonder wrote:
woo! ~ exciting game Nobody's only post is sheeping the experienced guy adding no new content of his own? Now you can lurk and say "I would have contributed if the game were more exciting?" That seems pretty anti-town to me. ##Vote: nobodywonder Now it's more exciting. However we do end up sticking on NW through pressure of other people so he never actually has to vote. He uses this as an excuse to pressure others to place votes on people when he himself never actually made a serious vote. Keep in mind how early in the game these posts are. On March 07 2013 15:49 MeatlessTaco wrote:
Matriarch / Krafla:
If I held a gun to you head noose around your neck and made you pick someone to lynch instead of yourself, who would it be?
On March 07 2013 17:05 MeatlessTaco wrote:On March 07 2013 17:01 Krafla wrote:On March 07 2013 15:49 MeatlessTaco wrote:
Matriarch / Krafla:
If I held a gun to you head noose around your neck and made you pick someone to lynch instead of yourself, who would it be?
Point taken, I guess I'd have to pick someone randomly, so probably someone that hasn't posted yet, Arctic Daishi?! Why are you afraid to take a position? Are you going to vote for Arctic Daishi or just write his name with a question mark? I feel that Krafla here was trying to apply pressure the Arctic who had yet said anything at all but Taco tries to pressure him to vote for somebody who hasn't said a single word so far? that's sketchy so early on in the game. Makes it seem like he doesn't care who is voting for who. On March 07 2013 17:13 MeatlessTaco wrote:On March 07 2013 17:08 Krafla wrote:On March 07 2013 17:05 MeatlessTaco wrote:On March 07 2013 17:01 Krafla wrote:On March 07 2013 15:49 MeatlessTaco wrote:
Matriarch / Krafla:
If I held a gun to you head noose around your neck and made you pick someone to lynch instead of yourself, who would it be?
Point taken, I guess I'd have to pick someone randomly, so probably someone that hasn't posted yet, Arctic Daishi?! Why are you afraid to take a position? Are you going to vote for Arctic Daishi or just write his name with a question mark? Nope, I'm not going to vote yet, I want to make an educated decision of who to vote for instead of flinging dirt and seeing what sticks Take a stand. Are you going to side with me trying to lynch someone acting suspicious or side with nobodywonder trying to lynch a lurker who can't defend themselves? This is TL Mafia which is serious stuff. You aren't allowed to be Switzerland. Again goes after Krafla early on, Why is Taco so obsessed with getting people to vote? The game isn't even through the first 24 hours. Town doesn't need to throw votes out so quickly, they need to think about their actions as Krafla is doing. This raises more questions about how much Taco actually cares who gets lynched. And then we have these back-to-back posts. Holy Shit Hypocrisy. On March 08 2013 10:35 MeatlessTaco wrote:On March 08 2013 03:08 ChewOnStu wrote:
Im finding nobodywonder scummy too for complaining about lurkers not contributing yet he's barely contributed anything himself.
##vote: nobodywonder
... Why are you bandwagoning on NW while your only contribution is couple of trite posts about your lurker policy? On March 08 2013 14:06 MeatlessTaco wrote:
You are right. His behavior is unacceptable so far. You got anything to add Chew?
##Vote: ChewOnStu His FIRST real vote is a complete sheep with nothing to add about why Chew is scum. Does he really care who gets lynched? This doesn't take away from the good points he's made and some of his questions have been really good... but the inconsistency is there. I've been re-reading the thread, only on page 25, trying to hurry up and then double check Frogron's and Chew's filters. I think the NW lynch has served its purpose. My defense quickly: My first read was picking someone was was scummy with very little information. I've been consistent in the opinion that without an instant lynch, vote for people, don't make long-winded threads saying "I don't like A, but B is bad, but maybe C". The thread had very little content. I wanted people to make a stand. Someone already caught on to this and I asked me if I really thought NW was my best scum read. I responded with how I had planned on attacking Raven, but it didn't play out like I wanted. The second I thought someone would be a better lynch than NW I switched my vote. I might switch from Chew to Frogron in a few minutes or I might not, I gotta read the last few pages and then take a look at their filters and my notes. TLDR: a bunch of lurkers saying "A or B or C might be bad, I dunno" isn't helpful. I want your stand, You say that NW has served its purpose. Show me that what purpose that was? ##Vote: MeatlessTaco Right now I only have two or three people with no information on. What if everyone had just complained how boring the thread was for two days? Where would we be right now?
Taco don't just say you 'have information.' We have information too, but not all of it's useful. What did you LEARN from this. How can you prove to NW that your gambit was not just a scumtactic and it actually accomplished something? Where are your reads?
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On March 09 2013 08:30 MeatlessTaco wrote:
No one will care about my reads right now. I'll post all my thoughts beginning of day 2 so there is plenty of time to discuss lynching me. The only 2 actives I could vote for aren't under suspicion, so it is between Chew and Arctic.
##Unvote
##Vote: Arctic Daishi
This makes sense. I definitely expect to hear from you.
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On March 09 2013 08:35 bduddy wrote:Show nested quote +On March 09 2013 08:30 MeatlessTaco wrote:
No one will care about my reads right now. I'll post all my thoughts beginning of day 2 so there is plenty of time to discuss lynching me. The only 2 actives I could vote for aren't under suspicion, so it is between Chew and Arctic.
##Unvote
##Vote: Arctic Daishi That's not a good excuse. Tell us what you know.
Haha conflicting opinions. Ok bduddy, explain why it's a good idea for Taco to explain to us his reads right now while we're all trying to consolidate our votes.
Also explain why it would be a good idea for him to give us his reads before D2.
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On March 09 2013 08:37 nobodywonder wrote:Taco, you still haven't answered my questions. You have replied with rhetorical questions that allows readers to guess what you think, but not really know what you think. I do care about your reads. Any town shouldn't be discouraged whether or not his read matters, he needs to voice his opinion, participate and care. Show nested quote +On March 09 2013 08:30 MeatlessTaco wrote:
No one will care about my reads right now. I'll post all my thoughts beginning of day 2 so there is plenty of time to discuss lynching me. The only 2 actives I could vote for aren't under suspicion, so it is between Chew and Arctic.
##Unvote
##Vote: Arctic Daishi and why do you say you want to post all your thoughts on day2? you can killed by mafia. this is seriously weird. The only 2 actives I could vote for, what does this mean? I cant follow you at all. So... Taco, again tell me: What is your stand?
NW...you're ruining it....
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On March 09 2013 08:40 OmniEulogy wrote:
WoS I understand where you are coming from under normal circumstances you don't want to explain yourself during the night, but I think regardless of Arctics flip Taco will be my prime suspect for D2. I say we have him give us everything he's got during N1 and see what happens.
I wanted bduddy to see if he could come to the conclusions himself.
It's not just that it's that explaining his reads could be seen as an attempt to try and muddle the voting this close to deadline.
I understand where you and NW are coming from, but since he's our 2nd scum candidate right now I'm not sure we'd lose out either way if he DOES die N1.
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And Taco and I coming to the same conclusions at the same time does much to help with his read. Only ~1 hour left!
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On March 09 2013 08:46 OmniEulogy wrote:
I'm a DT! :D as in the unit.... 2k posts lol
lol you fucker.
grats
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On March 09 2013 08:52 MeatlessTaco wrote:Show nested quote +On March 09 2013 08:49 bduddy wrote:On March 09 2013 08:37 WaveofShadow wrote:On March 09 2013 08:35 bduddy wrote:On March 09 2013 08:30 MeatlessTaco wrote:
No one will care about my reads right now. I'll post all my thoughts beginning of day 2 so there is plenty of time to discuss lynching me. The only 2 actives I could vote for aren't under suspicion, so it is between Chew and Arctic.
##Unvote
##Vote: Arctic Daishi That's not a good excuse. Tell us what you know. Haha conflicting opinions. Ok bduddy, explain why it's a good idea for Taco to explain to us his reads right now while we're all trying to consolidate our votes. Also explain why it would be a good idea for him to give us his reads before D2. Because more information is better than less information? I'm not getting how waiting helps anything. We already have 32 pages, "muddling the vote" is not a concern of mine. If he has some analysis to make, he should make it now instead of going "I know but I'm not telling you, nah nah". It's not like there are any roles in this game where it's a good thing if the mafia Terrans kill him. "I know but I'm not telling you, nah nah" I don't know anything more than anyone else that has read the thread. And I don't know where I implied that. Game-theory like: you don't give your opponent information while it is their turn to act. I thought that would be an obvious logical conclusion.
He was referring to my attempt to bait an explanation out of him.
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I...no reaction to the fact that you're dead in an hour, huh?
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Wow. So now that Daishi has moved his vote to defend himself without even explaining I think we're pretty clear on where he stands.
As for the rest of you guys, you'd better move your votes onto him right now if you dont want a mislynch.
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On March 09 2013 09:23 Arctic Daishi wrote:Show nested quote +On March 09 2013 09:15 WaveofShadow wrote:
Wow. So now that Daishi has moved his vote to defend himself without even explaining I think we're pretty clear on where he stands.
As for the rest of you guys, you'd better move your votes onto him right now if you dont want a mislynch. Well I know I'm not the mafia guy, so why would I vote for myself?
Well there's no arguing with that logic.
NW, Luneth since you two have been around, what are your thoughts?
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I imagine NW will be changing his vote. What worries me is that it's still technically possible for him to die due to the sheer amount of lurk, though I imagine any vote switching is going to be seen VERY unfavourably.
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The problem here is, like OE said if he was using his coach, his coach certainly would've been telling him not to afk the whole day and to actually contribute to the scumhunt, of which he did neither.
Worst case scenario, he is bad townie (downgrade that to completely useless townie) and wasn't of any help to us anyway. Better than mislynching a townie who is actually helpful.
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Lol well if true it was a valiant attempt with half an hour to go to try and get your innocence going.
Hopefully you learn a little for next time!
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On March 09 2013 09:58 Mocsta wrote:
Geript will replace ChewOnStu, effectively immediately
Again:
IMPORTANT: SEND ANY ACTIONS TO ALL OF THE HOSTS. If you don't, it will not get counted.
Oh that's interesting.
Hai Geript 
I'm sure there will be all sorts of meta shenanigans b/w you and me eventually but since LX is going on I think we'll have to tone it town at first.
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I would like to take FULL credit for this as I got the bandwagon going.
+ Show Spoiler +Just kidding, well done everyone! Huge props specifically to TRN for his support too, this basically makes him confirmed town in my eyes.
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