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geript
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WaveofShadow
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On March 11 2013 06:26 geript wrote: I have to agree with WoS. JK makes the most sense; besides town RB claiming should be obvious and should've happened by now making JK the obvious call. That doesn't remove WoS from the scum list, but it does move him more towards being trusted. WoS... what don't you like about the OE case? You seem to have ignored it entirely. I read it late last night and I don't remember what my specific conclusions were, all I remember was that it didn't convince me. I'll re-read. | ||
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bduddy
United States1326 Posts
On March 11 2013 06:41 geript wrote: Don't worry, I'm still keeping my eye on OE - we have time, after all. But MT's posting has just been terrible in general, and I want to see what he has to say about the accusations against him.@bduddy You were the one to initially bring up the OE defenses of Artic. You ALSO brought up how OE wasn't really trying to push his Taco case. Do you not like my case vs OE? | ||
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OmniEulogy
Canada6593 Posts
On March 11 2013 06:41 geript wrote: @bduddy You were the one to initially bring up the OE defenses of Artic. You ALSO brought up how OE wasn't really trying to push his Taco case. Do you not like my case vs OE? Your case basically translates to "Your case on a lurker doesn't have much content" and then you use a SINGLE quote (out of context) out of my entire filter. You really tried hard on that case didn't you. OR you couldn't find anything worse than that because I'm town. Your case on me is just one very long winded opinion. You had more than enough time to actually make a case. The first time I read it I honestly thought it was just your thoughts on my case on Frorgon and not a case on me. Did you finally read up to that part of D1 or something? Because I really don't believe you are caught up with this game at all Geript. | ||
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WaveofShadow
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OE's case on Frorgon had fair points to it, but was weak in general. OE stated himself it was early in the game. Maybe it would've looked less bad if he didn't go balls out voting for him that early? Whatever I don't see anything about the case itself that makes OE look scummy. The point about discouraging interaction is good but it's not enough on its own. Same conclusion: unnecessary, null. Interesting point you bring up about OE targeting the 'weak members of the herd.' This doesn't seem like inherently different behaviour than OE has been exhibiting all game however; Frorgon and Taco have essentially been his only targets thus far, and he has tunneled Taco HARD. Taco is inevitably going to have come back and defend himself either way, AGAIN. OE's tunneling and the association between him and AD are the strongest points against him imo, though I've already asked OE about these things myself (and he doesn't quite address either of these points head-on). There is a huge difference between him about half the people in this game, however, and that OE has continually demonstrated that he CARES about the lynch target, and actively gets involved in discussion. He has some scummy traits about but I think it may just be him going about defending himself/his cases in slightly the wrong way. He just doesn't scream scum to me like AD did, and it's not worth a mislynch on someone so active. Honestly the fact that you haven't voted for OE yourself means that you yourself must have considerable doubt in OE's scumminess. I just don't think he's worth focusing today when there are people who shown no positive ability at all thus far. | ||
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WaveofShadow
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Until something changes in the thread (ie people fucking PARTICIPATE) my vote stays. | ||
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Mocsta
Australia9388 Posts
On March 11 2013 05:52 bduddy wrote: Considering that there are no more replacements, what happens if someone gets modkilled? In the case of no more replacements, the modkilled player will be flipped Refer to OP for replacement deadlines | ||
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Mocsta
Australia9388 Posts
OmniEulogy (1): Geript MLuneth (3): WaveofShadow, Rainbows, Frorgon MeatlessTaco (3): OmniEulogy, TheRavensName, bduddy No vote: Krafla, MLuneth, nobodywonder, MeatlessTaco, Matriarch MLuneth is currently set to be lynched. ~26.5 hours until the deadline. Voting is mandatory. Please remember to bold your votes, and to unvote if you've previously voted for someone else. | ||
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WaveofShadow
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geript
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Second, no Frogon and Taco haven't been his only targets. He's constantly been targeting perceived lurkers. Seriously read his filter. He's also tried to dissuade town from believing the far more towny looking players (WoS, Raven). He's also done little else than whine an bitch since I targeted him. Do you actually like his recent 'case' on Taco? Do you really think there are worthwhile points there? You say that OE cares about the lynch target. So what? Are scum not supposed to care who the lynch target is? In fact, the 'CARES' argument even makes OE look worse as the main people who want to defend scum are OTHER SCUM!!! | ||
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WaveofShadow
Canada31495 Posts
I just read his filter, he doesn't target anyone else at all. He talks about them briefly, but considering his entire filter is dedicated to Taco I wouldn't call that targeting. Yes he bitches and whines when you target him, he did the same thing to me as well; I don't necessarily see that as being scummy, I can see that as being frustrated when people don't believe you. His recent case isn't much better than his older one, but as I've said there are scummier people than him to go for today. We can re-examine him at a later date but he's not red enough for me to vote him today. | ||
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TheRavensName
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geript
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On March 11 2013 07:47 TheRavensName wrote: I feel so left out IIRC, you preferred Taco to Luneth, could you expand on who you prefer for the lynch today? | ||
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TheRavensName
United States911 Posts
On March 11 2013 07:58 geript wrote: IIRC, you preferred Taco to Luneth, could you expand on who you prefer for the lynch today? Taco obviously. I made a little case on the previous page. I'm pretty open to the idea of lynching Luneth too but if hes going to lurk like this, I'd rather get Taco, or whoever the scummiest active poster is by the time this day is over, because I don't think Luneth is going to lead us down bad bandwaggonings and shakey positions that lead us to mislynching. | ||
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Frorgon
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Frorgon
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OmniEulogy
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nobodywonder
United States848 Posts
On March 07 2013 17:05 MeatlessTaco wrote: Why are you afraid to take a position? Are you going to vote for Arctic Daishi or just write his name with a question mark? On March 07 2013 17:13 MeatlessTaco wrote: Take a stand. Are you going to side with me trying to lynch someone acting suspicious or side with nobodywonder trying to lynch a lurker who can't defend themselves? This is TL Mafia which is serious stuff. You aren't allowed to be Switzerland. On March 08 2013 02:58 MeatlessTaco wrote: There is no instant majority, if we change our mind in the next 36 hours, we can unvote and vote for someone else. Put down a vote and justify it. I am going to keep calling for votes on nobodywonder. I know his scumbuddies are trying to protect him, but the rest of town is just hedging bets. Initially in the game, he is very aggressive. He accuses me to “generate content”. However it also he also points fingers at Krafla, because of Krafla's reservations and wishy-washiness. He constantly prods Krafla to make a stand, and repeats that point several times. He then makes an ultimatium to Krafla to either side with him and me. Why does he do this? As town, perhaps he genuninely wants concrete arguments and stands. So far so good, yet from this point, his later actions will contradict his early agenda for concrete argument and justification, indicating scummy play. There are several situations that I will point to: 1) His case against me (or lack thereof) 2) Meaningless FoS at Raven 3) His scumreads. 1) His case against me On March 07 2013 17:10 MeatlessTaco wrote: Your play so far doesn't seem very helpful to the town. You've managed to make two posts with zero content. Are you going to agree with Karla who is just going to lynch a lurker, which doesn't seem very helpful to town, or are you going to agree with me who would like to lynch you? You are just trying to buddy up to WaveofShadow during the first day to not draw suspicion before your first night kill. You said you played before, so I don't buy the newbie act. The thing is that he never makes it. I did some scummy actions, yet he never commit to analyzing my actions and motives and agenda. Here again, he issues an ultimatum to me to agree with Karla or him. Why the hell would I agree to him to lynch myself? Why should I even bother to agree with him or not? All the ultimatum serves is to cover his lack of a real case against me. On March 08 2013 02:58 MeatlessTaco wrote: There is no instant majority, if we change our mind in the next 36 hours, we can unvote and vote for someone else. Put down a vote and justify it. I am going to keep calling for votes on nobodywonder. I knowhis scumbuddies are trying to protect him, but the rest of town is just hedging bets. Again here why does Taco push people to vote, at this point, and seemingly directed towards me? It seems like a diversionary attention to cause further confusion. 2) Meaningless FoS at Raven On March 08 2013 08:46 MeatlessTaco wrote: I wanted to pounce on Raven, his initial exuberance 10 min before game starts and then lurks for a long time like he's getting help from his scum mentor. Since then, he hasn't done enough to move my suspicion. There is no instant lynch. My vote means who I suspect right now. On March 08 2013 10:26 MeatlessTaco wrote: You were very excited to start the game, letting us know T-10 min to game start. Then the game started, but you didn't post at all for awhile. One could make the case you saw your role and didn't want to start digging holes so you gameplanned or asked a mentor before proceeding. If I thought you were more scummy than NW after you returned I would have changed my vote. It remains on NW. When WoS notices that Taco actually hasn't made a case against me, WoS asks Taco about his scumread. Taco responses with a completely null and meaningless read on Raven. In response to WoS's questions about scumreads, Taco says he wants to go after Raven, but why? Eventually he just completely drops the subject, then why even bring out the subject in the first place. This is directionless and meaningless action. At this point, I believe Taco realizes the lynch NW bandwagon is going down and needs a new target and when Chew presents a scummy vote on me, and after Rainbow votes on Chew, Taco sheeps onto the Chew vote. Lastly, his contributions on D2. Minimal, a crap summary of Frogron, Chew, Krafla and Mluneth. spoilered because it's useless and long + Show Spoiler + On March 10 2013 09:47 MeatlessTaco wrote: If OE is scum, he deserves to live a couple more days. First, what does this mean, if he is scum then he should live? No, if he is scum then he should hang! This is clearly not town thinking. On March 10 2013 10:24 MeatlessTaco wrote: I reread the whole thing up to end of day 1. Here are my reads. I'll discuss exactly why I think someone not listed is town if they are under suspicion or anyone particularly cares. I had 6 canidates, as I went through it I turned Frogron green. Frogron: pg 17&19: Wants suspicion off of lurkers. Suspecting NW but doesn't vote yet ( would have put 7 on NW at that point ), ends up voting for bduddy. Unless it's a NW, AD, Frog team, I don't see the logic here for scum. He tried to start a Taco bandwagon ( off of AD ) on page 27 and argues that lynching AD won't give information, which is suspect, but on page 28 won't jump on either MT or AD wagon and votes Chew. So, if Chew, me and AD are all scum that would make sense. Otherwise we shouldn't kill him anytime soon. ChewOnStu or lurker Here is his activity so far: pg 17: lynch all lurkers can be scummy, it's too early to think about that pg 18: pressuring lurkers is ok, but try not to mislynch pg 19: votes for the NW bandwagon Geript is useless. lynch at some point, maybe not today Krafla I'm posting this before I read the resolution of the claim and stuff, this is just off my notes: pg 15: thinks discussion might be cover for scum votes? pg 16: picks arctic's name out of a hat, which doesn't seem smart as scum pg 19,20,23: Soft defends Arctic, is cautious about voting NW yet, votes bduddy over AD (AD hadn't posted yet), fos's me a couple times and then picks to vote for NW where it stays A decent candidate for today, the claim thing will obviously have to come into consideration. The big thing is did he pick Arctic's name out of a hat as cover? His later posts seem him to be distancing himself from AD. Mluneth He wants a lurker lynch and picks quickly, he ends up voting for NW, but took no effort to get out of AD vote (pg 22) OE and WoS brought this up earlier, but I read it differently when I went through it. Suspicious though is that he was active later, and still leaves his vote on NW. Rainbows pg 18: says lurker discussion is pointless, calls MLuneth scum, calls omni list pointless, tries to shutdown discussion, defends Arctic pg 22: votes chew and then I sheep him pg 24: good read on OE post, but then suggests Chew and Frogron ( not AD ) Not much contribution except for starting the call-out on Chew Matriarch asks some noob questions and fingers me, so null read there questions my post level when she has posted like twice, and then on pg 22 defends OE in NW vote, not helpful either way Completely useless point, what do we learn from it. Completely nothing. There is no need to confirm Frogron, we need to scumhunt first. The post on Chew is COMPLETELY useless, he was replaced anyways. On Krafla, he argues he offers a candidate for the lynch today, but there's no meat on the analysis. And on Mluneth and Rainbows and Matriarch, there is nothing. A huge useless, contentless post. How can this be pro-town? WoS replies to Taco and calls out the list as crap. Taco really meekly replies: On March 10 2013 10:42 MeatlessTaco wrote: Harsh. Sorry to waste your time. Nutter butter. For all his initial aggressiveness on others to make a stand by chastising them and issuing ultimatiums and his professed claim to try to promote discussion, Taco ultimately does contradictory actions and provides us with a big fat nothing and never takes his own advice to take a stand. These are extremely scummy actions in my eyes and I'd like to lynch Taco. ##Vote: MeatlessTaco On March 09 2013 11:01 MeatlessTaco wrote: Yeah, we'll have to look at the exact timing of things, but I remember still being slightly worried NW was going to take a hit even after I moved off of him. If I had bussed Arctic I think I would have try to post something to make it seem like it was something I could take credit for. If I had got to choose at the time it would have been Krafla, ChewonStu, Daishi and then Raven. After WoS said my defense looked scummy I tried to STFU and not get myself hung. That is hilarious. At least now if I get mislynched I can blame in on bad luck and not on poor play. as a famous person | ||
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nobodywonder
United States848 Posts
I'm still bitter about the lurkers who just left their vote on me: I'm looking at you Matriach, and Kafla and especially you MLuneth, considering you were there when I was about to be lynched and you were considering to switch but never did. Oh I will satisfied if you can explain yourself why you did so. Perhaps you know something that we don't know or have a great case against me. I look forward to reading it. | ||
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geript
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