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randombum
Profile Blog Joined April 2007
United States2378 Posts
March 05 2013 04:41 GMT
#3480
Guess geript isn't even going to try to defend himself anymore so:

Voting the geript.
randombum
Profile Blog Joined April 2007
United States2378 Posts
March 07 2013 00:49 GMT
#3682
Looks like there's finally a day where not everybody has already agreed on scum with 40 hours left (impossible now that days are 24), but still it was getting really boring with the prom/chez/geript lynches pretty much set in stone and no other candidate really discussed. Anywho, I'm going to do some filtering and some re-reading and see how my reads come up.
randombum
Profile Blog Joined April 2007
United States2378 Posts
March 07 2013 01:16 GMT
#3689
Decided to start reading filters just based off the order list and composing my thoughts about each one as I go along.

So start with grush. First thing that caught my attention:
On February 21 2013 05:59 grush57 wrote:
yessiree, tho that was the only time my actions didn't get taken, maybe cuz I only sent it to co-host but I will send both this game

If we never figure out the odd night two I think grush deserves extra attention. The fact that he has "forgotten" to submit an action to both hosts before might be something he kept in mind.
On March 01 2013 06:14 grush57 wrote:
I'm so useless this game :'(


Sums up my opinion of grush. He plays around with starsense and then nothing else. Very empty filter. His only reads have been sure that toad is mafia. Very sure on geript being mafia, and then a one liner saying he doesn't like RO and Hassy. His most recent reads are aqua/jcarl. I won't fault him for who he has been targeting. Because I had suspicisions on toad, jcarl, RO and hassy, but its how he has done it. There's literally only one piece on analysis from him this whole game. and that's

+ Show Spoiler +
On March 03 2013 14:25 grush57 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 03 2013 14:10 MilkSuckler wrote:
On March 03 2013 13:58 grush57 wrote:
Surely atleast some scum tried to switch to Geript. I doubt scum would get in the position for both candidates to be scum.

Agreed (somewhat)
geript (6): DoctorHelvetica, geript, Chezinu, jcarlsoniv, MilkSuckler, glurio,

What do you think about JCarlsoniv grush57?

On March 03 2013 13:58 grush57 wrote:
Tho if geript is scum then we got this in the bag.

y?

2 scum left baby! idk I just said something random man

and jcarlsoniv....

Well he kind of defended for Chez like why would he shoot town when he could get counter claimed.
Plus he shot milkman, which wasn't the strongest town leader this game.
Basically he made some good arguments but Chez is scum

But then there's also stuff about throwing suspicion on Toad and JJ, and while he also sais bad stuff about Chez he wants to lynch geript, but that was after Dr H.

And then there's this

Show nested quote +
On March 01 2013 11:50 jcarlsoniv wrote:
Gettin' real tired of your shit, Chez



which strikes me as a scum to scumbuddy post.

Idk this is kinda just rambling but yea I think jcarl is a good vig/lynch target for tomorrow.



And that's not even very in depth. I get the feeling that grush isn't even that convinced on jcarl from that post. It's like he's trying to say something, that he can point to be and "I knew he was scum" but not actually be the cause of his death.

Does somebody see something I'm not seeing because this just screams mafia to me.
randombum
Profile Blog Joined April 2007
United States2378 Posts
March 07 2013 01:31 GMT
#3691
Yes, now that you remind me I think I remember something along those lines. So with that in mind I'll just keep him on the back burner for now.
randombum
Profile Blog Joined April 2007
United States2378 Posts
March 07 2013 02:13 GMT
#3707
So next up is vivax: something just reads really wrong in his filter. The beginning play especially looks really scummy. Lots of one liners asking questions while not really caring about the answers and such. His only real case so far has been against the milkman who flipped town and he pokes at everybody while not committing. However, him shooting a mafia in the face is a huge town plus for him to not focus on him for a while.
randombum
Profile Blog Joined April 2007
United States2378 Posts
March 07 2013 02:23 GMT
#3712
On March 07 2013 11:16 TestSubject893 wrote:
I don't understand what you're getting at, randombum. Are you saying lynch him next or just discuss him next? I'm not sure what all there is to say. I think he's in the same boat as JJ. No matter how bad he plays it doesn't really matter; we've got enough evidence that he's blue to not want to lynch him.


I'm saying nothing of the sort, (kill or lynch vivax) I said earlier I'm going to go though filters one by one and post my thoughts. My conclusion of vivax is his play is bad, but since he's confirmed his kill of a mafia I don't think he's worth looking at him anymore.

Actually, I think I'm going to change my mind, I'm going to start being more selective on filters and read the ones that are hotter topic so I can join the active discussion.
randombum
Profile Blog Joined April 2007
United States2378 Posts
March 07 2013 03:33 GMT
#3723
I don't think glurio is scum. Or at least I don't think he's scummier than a lot of people here. I've left this alone for a while because there's been a clear consensus on who to lynch and I didn't want to divert the thread, but I think it's time we lynched jcarl. He's been riding as scummy looking in the back of a lot of people's mind, but nobody has come out super strongly against him. His filter is short enough that everybody can go read it right now.
Here are the things out of his filter that I would like you to notice and reach the same conclusion as me. That he is scum.

Utter lack of commitment to reads. I've pointed this out before but, starts with a case on vayesh/vivax and drops them with minimal explanation. He then tries to push JJ because everybody thought JJ looked scummy, but now that JJ looks good his response is: + Show Spoiler +
On March 04 2013 09:18 jcarlsoniv wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 04 2013 09:13 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
Lynch aqua jj is more or less confirmed town


Yeah, I no longer believe JJ to be scum. After the RB claim and the subsequent RO flip, JJ looks pretty good.

I'm not sure about aqua, but I'm somewhat inclined to listen to WF this go around.


Jcarl reads will follow wherever the town is leaning. He will also drop down his "reads" with no backing whatsoever.

+ Show Spoiler +
On March 06 2013 11:30 jcarlsoniv wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 06 2013 11:25 WaveofShadow wrote:
On March 06 2013 11:15 The Macho Man wrote:
On March 06 2013 11:12 jcarlsoniv wrote:
On March 06 2013 10:33 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
If I survive to Day 4 it means one of two things.

1. Scum won't waste a shot on me with 1 KP assuming I'm a veteran or there could be another doc in the game
2. Scum are intentionally avoiding shooting "big name vets" (I hate saying that) to mask that they are led by one. - This is a plan I've personally employed as scum, to intentionally hit lurkers/less experienced players to push suspicion onto different vets around Day 3-4.

jcarlsoniv, why would you believe Chezinu is town and JungleJorge is somehow a scumslipper? You're one of only three people to not vote Chez yesterday including myself and geript (who voted for himself). Do you still believe that Vivax and JungleJorge hatched a plan together? Would you suggest they are the two remaining scum?

If anyone else considers that to be the case, note that Prom FoS'd JJ before he was lynched and Vivax FoS'd JJ as well in his largest post.


I don't remember saying that I think Vivax and JJ hatched a plan together?

I thought Chez would flip town because I honestly thought he would be a better player than that. I was mistaken.

I began leaning town on JJ because of his RB claim, but after last night's shenanigans (or lack thereof - still speculating on whether or not scum sent in their actions), who the hell knows?

I could certainly see Vivax being SK, and if he is, it means he'll be shooting someone else tonight.

he has to shoot so his claim makes very little sense from an sk perspective he is extremely likely to be town.

what do you think of glurio?

Pretty much...this is why I think Vivax is probably town. We'll find out tonight with # of shots anyway. Unless of course there is no SK and Vivax as mafia shot RO to throw us off...but that strikes me as being really really dumb.

So Soniv, if you plan on sticking around for more than 5 minutes, who are your scumreads right now and why?


Not quite sure at the moment. I was fairly sure that either geript or hassy would flip scum.

I feel like there's one (if not both) in the following list:

WoS, DrH, WF, randombum, Macho Man

Need to relook though.



He throws down 5 names in a game of 15 remaining players. One of whom has since flipped town. More importantly he doesn't say why. He says he will relook, but it's been over a day since he claimed he would re-look and hasn't come back with anything. Maybe because everybody keeps ignoring me and goes after people not named jcarl. It's even more damning because literally 2 posts after he puts

+ Show Spoiler +
On March 06 2013 14:26 jcarlsoniv wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 06 2013 13:54 WaveofShadow wrote:
On March 06 2013 13:50 MilkSuckler wrote:
On March 06 2013 13:43 WaveofShadow wrote:
On March 06 2013 13:35 MilkSuckler wrote:
For filter
On March 06 2013 13:04 Mocsta wrote:
On March 06 2013 12:57 WaveofShadow wrote:
On March 04 2013 09:15 Vivax wrote:
On March 04 2013 09:10 JungleJorge wrote:
Vivax I assume you are claiming the RO kill?
I jailed layabout. I wasn't roleblocked. Some fishy stuff happened here, or scum team is retarded and an amazing chain of coincidences just happened.


I shot RO yes. If what you say is true then there should be a second guy roleblocked by scum, unless layabout is the mafia roleblocker.

Uh...didn't you ask him yourself if he claimed RO kill and he said yes?

n revised thoughts on glue-man

@ WoS

I'll tell you what. I'll do it if I know someone other than you is going to read it.

Whats that meant to mean?


I am not even asking you something to do... you suggested it upon yourself
On March 06 2013 12:13 WaveofShadow wrote:
Alright this makes me want to have another go at glurio's filter, though even if I find something that changes my mind from my earlier town stance I can't see myself wanting to lynch him ahead of the other 3 I mentioned.
I remember feeling very strongly early that he was town; but I'll check to be sure.

The filter is not exactly a big one to digest.... so stop being a bitch and complaining

Ooooo Mocsta angwy.
I'm serious though. Why should I keep feeding information that only you are going to use? Are you the town in its entirety? How are you going to be using the information I give you in the form of my read on Glurio? You're right I did suggest that I was going to do it; but I changed my mind. I don't find any compelling reason to do it right now. I'm not about to die anytime soon, after all.


DrH himself (the one you've been so keen to buddy up to most of the thread) said earlier this game:

Someone who says they are going to do something and never does it is probably scum (I may be paraphrasing).



But he hasn't come back to do what he said he would do.

Hard defense of chezniu.
It's self evident in his filter, but he clearly defended chezniu and hard. He claims hard defending scum is a town tell because only an idiot mafia wouldn't bus his teammate when chez was clearly next to be lynched. But chez's lynch wasn't truly set in stone. If you look at the final vote-counts http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=400335&currentpage=6#105

Chez only had 13 votes. And RO (known scum) could switch at any time. Furthermore if they somehow manage to cause a no-lynch then they get an extra night kill. If they are super lucky they somehow get people to forget chez and lynch geript the next day giving them another night with 2 kills.

Point being, he tried really hard to save his scum mate, but the plan backfired so he goes: "Oh, that's not a scum tell its actually a town tell to try to push a lynch off a mafia and into a townie." I don't buy it.

Contradictory

It starts with:

On March 04 2013 09:53 jcarlsoniv wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 04 2013 09:51 JungleJorge wrote:
I suspect geript will flip town. Voting grush because why not. Seems like a good bet.


Aww, but you're gonna make WF so mad.

Imma trust him this time.

##vote geript


Willing to sheep BH on a geript vote.

Then says after geript and hassy die
On March 06 2013 11:30 jcarlsoniv wrote:


Not quite sure at the moment. I was fairly sure that either geript or hassy would flip scum.

I feel like there's one (if not both) in the following list:

WoS, DrH, WF, randombum, Macho Man

Need to relook though.


Bold mine.
Into

On March 07 2013 02:06 jcarlsoniv wrote:
Hey Wade, you were wrong about geript, and hassy also flipped town. Who are you gonna tunnel next, oh "scumhunter extraordinare"?


He is now trying to make Wade look bad, when he has been willing to sheep him and stated that he felt wades reads were correct?
randombum
Profile Blog Joined April 2007
United States2378 Posts
March 07 2013 04:38 GMT
#3742
On March 07 2013 12:57 MilkSuckler wrote:
=================

I dont know what to make of randombum; if you think a guy is town, the correct course of action is to identify someone scummier.

But, I would have liked if he extrapolated somewhat on his claim that glurio is town (considering the heat he is under)


I don't get the question? I say somebody is not as scummy as others then post a case against somebody else in the same post. If it wasn't obvious I think jcarl is scummier than glurio.
randombum
Profile Blog Joined April 2007
United States2378 Posts
March 07 2013 04:41 GMT
#3744
Never mind I didn't understand the question because it was phrased oddly. The real question was the second sentence not the first. In which case, I don't necessarily think he is not scummy, just I think jcarl is scummier.
randombum
Profile Blog Joined April 2007
United States2378 Posts
March 07 2013 04:52 GMT
#3750
On March 07 2013 13:47 jcarlsoniv wrote:
Oh look randombum, you're starting to think like a townie! A nice change of pace.

@Aquanim: What are your opinions of randombum's case on me?


Nice de-lurk, I'm more interesting in your opinion on my case on you.
randombum
Profile Blog Joined April 2007
United States2378 Posts
March 07 2013 21:39 GMT
#3891
On March 08 2013 06:37 The Macho Man wrote:
what time is the lynch?


just over two hours.
randombum
Profile Blog Joined April 2007
United States2378 Posts
March 07 2013 21:41 GMT
#3894
Wtf, why are people not voting jcarl. He STILL hasn't given his reasons why he named those five names, he just jumps on suckler's wagon on WoS and starts attacking him.

He's the only person to hard defend a scum this game. At a time when a scum lynch would cost the scum team a night kill.

You don't sheep a person saying you think he's right then call him out for being wrong afterwards.
randombum
Profile Blog Joined April 2007
United States2378 Posts
March 07 2013 22:54 GMT
#3938
Guess people prefer glurio.
randombum
Profile Blog Joined April 2007
United States2378 Posts
March 09 2013 03:10 GMT
#4131
This makes a lot of sense. With it pointed out it makes a lot of sense that his vig claim is actually a fake claim from scum which got exposed because there's no mutant or jail to blame it on. In fact, it's just about the only thing that sounds reasonable.
randombum
Profile Blog Joined April 2007
United States2378 Posts
March 11 2013 04:45 GMT
#4236
Yeah, only if Dr.H was bar-tender he'd wait as long as possible to ignite. If he didn't ignite he could easily have another 1 or 2 days of dousing more people.
randombum
Profile Blog Joined April 2007
United States2378 Posts
March 11 2013 11:16 GMT
#4237
This is one dead ass thread without milk suckler. Here are my thoughts; as I stated earlier Dr.H can't be the bartender because quite simply he had no reason to ignite on night 5. Nobody even knew if there was a bartender and Dr.H was no where near getting lynched anytime soon. Igniting now only serves to hurt his purpose if he was the bartender because it reveals there is a bartender and it's one less night dousing people.



randombum
Profile Blog Joined April 2007
United States2378 Posts
March 11 2013 11:33 GMT
#4238
Anyways I am nearly 100% sure that WoS is bartender or scum. (leaning heavily for bartender) So I am willing to vote him.
randombum
Profile Blog Joined April 2007
United States2378 Posts
March 11 2013 20:59 GMT
#4242
Explain this WoS. Name a reason for the bartender to have ignited night 5 unless he was despreate? The only person in a dire situation with a suckler flip would be you.
randombum
Profile Blog Joined April 2007
United States2378 Posts
March 11 2013 21:02 GMT
#4244
How does that help the bar-tender. Your up next anyways.
randombum
Profile Blog Joined April 2007
United States2378 Posts
March 11 2013 21:03 GMT
#4245
Or at least that's how the thread sentiment was going. But, if you are the bartender and you ignite night 5 then at least you have that defense regardless of this fact: They wouldn't need to have ignited to frame you. They could have simply voice their opinion and put their vote there.
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