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On February 27 2013 18:30 Vivax wrote:Show nested quote +On February 27 2013 16:17 Aquanim wrote:On February 27 2013 16:11 VisceraEyes wrote:
I'm really growing more and more impatient with Obvious. It feels like he doesn't care about this game at all. Are you saying you think he's town? This post made my scumdar go off, this guy asked two questions about OO earlier but stopped pushing him despite posting the posts at the bottom earlier. He's currently agreeing with VE on Toad, but he never pressures Oo despite having a scumread on him, he just keeps asking others about their opinion on him. Show nested quote +On February 26 2013 11:02 Aquanim wrote:On February 26 2013 10:59 Promethelax wrote:On February 26 2013 10:54 Aquanim wrote:On February 26 2013 10:43 Promethelax wrote:
Talk to me about aqua. On February 26 2013 10:48 VisceraEyes wrote:
Need more dataz. So far I'm not interested in lynching him if that's what you're asking - his read on OO seems genuine (and in my opinion decent). On February 26 2013 10:48 Promethelax wrote:
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Are you being serious or sarcastic about aqua? I'm not sure how VE's post could be construed as sarcastic... but in any case I get the feeling you have an opinion on me. Care to share it? Well I'd like to hear something from you first. Who is scum and why? My current strongest scum read is ObviousOne for the reasons stated earlier. His protestations of "I can't give reads early" combined with the reads he has in fact given with little-to-no reasoning feels like scum trying to contribute without actually committing himself. I don't have time to analyse everyone's play at the moment so that's all I have for now. Show nested quote +On February 27 2013 13:31 Aquanim wrote:On February 27 2013 02:18 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
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I think ObviousOne (for reasons already mentioned, read posts by Aquanim and the Milkman, I can go more in depth) is likely mafia. I also think vigilantes/detectives ought to look closely through the filter of WaveofShadow and jcarlsoniv with a copy of Ver's Town Guide in the next tab and see what you feel like doing tonight.
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On February 27 2013 11:12 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
Gotta love seeing the mafia panic as soon as I get any cred. I'm not even pushing my own election. If I'm pardoner i wont use the power. Noone is confirmed town unless you're scum and already know or they die and flip. If your suspicion is based on the fact that I'm not confirmed as town, then kill anyone.
Misrepresenting as hell to say all i did was pressure prom a little. I made the biggest case to get the wagon rolling and I nailed wos and vivax to the wall immediately when I got wary of their posts. Even if I'm wrong about prom, my aggression and focus will have the scum sweating.
Prom layabout jj geript testsubject vivax
Gg no re
If you don't trust me, don't vote for me. If you're suspicious of me have the balls to call me scum. If your goal is to discredit a player who is scumhunting aggressively then you're not helping, especially if you can't point out how my case is so flawed, or honestly represent my post history. Geript has admitted only that i make him nervous and i doubt the town feels the same way. Hmmm who might react that way then?
Prom dies today, everyone else gets pressure. I'll save my next case for when it matters because splitting the wagons now does no good.
If you're just coming in now to discredit active townies after being absent from all productive town discussion, kiss your scum ass goodbye and learn how to play next time. @DoctorHelvetica, where did the scum reads on ObviousOne, WoS and jcarlsoniv go?
I've been waiting to see if Obvious was inclined to do anything useful on his own. Only so much you can learn from pressure.
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On February 27 2013 18:39 Vivax wrote:
What's your read of Prom aqua?
Likely scum, mostly based on his failure to try to make much of anything happen with the RNG lynch gambit. A fair fraction of my wish to lynch him is based on sheeping people who know him much better than me though.
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Vivax, I'll be a little clearer about my current strategy. I could be more aggressive and push scumreads more, but the lynch is a bit of an empty threat at the moment given the general consensus on Prom being today's lynch. At the moment I'm mostly just asking questions to generate more information for analysis later.
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On February 27 2013 18:47 Vivax wrote:Show nested quote +On February 26 2013 18:43 Aquanim wrote:On February 26 2013 18:33 Wade Fell wrote:
nope nope what? Promethelax isn't town, Macho isn't scum, both, or something else entirely? While you're here could you walk me through the case on Prom? Show nested quote +On February 26 2013 19:09 Aquanim wrote:mkay, thanks. On February 26 2013 18:52 Wade Fell wrote:
Nope JJ's post is absolutely terrible. "Oh hey guys i have this thing that will convince you but I'm not gonna say it cause I'm too busy eating babies, having risky sexual encounters, and perpetrating voter fraud in Eastern Europe" is not a legitimate thing you can say in Mafia. Are you saying you think JJ is scum? What does his post being terrible mean? And on Prom, do you think his posturing over RNG is necessarily a scum move? Suggesting a RNG lynch while knowing full well it's a terrible idea is a gambit I've seen before, and "gambit" was the first thing I thought when I saw it. Not sure whether people who did it previously were scum or not though. Still, I don't see how it couldn't be town-motivated, as a method to create discussion. His "case" on you is frankly pretty bad. That being said, I don't see how going back and reading the thread and noticing something you didn't before is scummy as such. Show nested quote +On February 26 2013 19:44 Aquanim wrote:On February 26 2013 19:19 Wade Fell wrote:
If Prom was really trying to raise discussion with his rng as he claims, he'd have actually gotten into discussions with people. Any townie would naturally get arguing and get involved as people disagreed with him, especially one who was taking a position specifically for the purpose of starting discussions. A town Prom, if he did this, would have a bunch of posts, quote chains of him discussing RNG with haters, drumming up support, etc, and forcing scum to take stances. That's what a town player bringing up discussion looks like. Prom does NOT do this. Prom is scum. OK, I buy this. ##Vote: Wade FellI'm still in favour of a lynch on Obvious because I feel like he overreacted to my pressure on him and since my interaction with him all he has is a filter page's worth of useless fluff. In fact, all of Obvious's filter is useless fluff. There's more than one scum in the game though and I agree, Prom's failure to actually try to make anything happen with his RNG gambit does not evoke towny feelings. You flipflopped pretty quickly on Prom's RNG gambit while subtly trying to switch attention to Oo throughout and afterwards. I don't see you mentioning Prom after this. Prom's RNG behaviour went from a townie gambit to a scummy failure. I don't see what changed in between for you. Could you mention other reasons for why you think he's scum?
I didn't see any further purpose to mentioning Prom after that. I was convinced by the case and it's hardly like the Prom lynch has been discussed a whole lot since.
I originally thought that people were thinking Prom scummy for the RNG gambit in as of itself, which I didn't agree with. When his lack of actual effort in trying to make the gambit successful was highlighted I went back and read it myself and agreed. As for other reasons... go back and read the case Wade quoted at me, though the lack of effort into the gambit was the only part I'm firmly convinced has no likely town explanation.
And yeah, I still think OO's scum and if his play doesn't convince me otherwise by tomorrow I'll push for his lynch.
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On February 27 2013 19:03 Vivax wrote:
That's all then. Could you take a look at Hassy and tell me if you see anything scummy?
There's not much to look at :/
For someone running for Pardoner (in his first post) Hassy hasn't put any effort since into looking town... which one would think would be a prerequisite, given that pretty much the only point of the role for town is to keep it out of scum's hands.
His throwaway bid for Pardoner, without any followup in terms of campaigning, is slightly scummy - I can well imagine a scum trying for the role, then ignoring it and slipping away when his bid doesn't gain any traction.
Besides that all he's done is talk a little with OO which is null for me without anything further in his filter to correlate with it. Obviously I'm hoping for more content when he's less busy.
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On February 27 2013 19:28 Vivax wrote:
...and then proceeds to say: Oh well, I'll stick to Prom/Vivax and fucks off.
I think he was telling OO to stick to Prom/Vivax, not that those were the only people Hassy was looking at.
On February 27 2013 10:18 ObviousOne wrote:Show nested quote +On February 27 2013 10:18 Hassybaby wrote:
OO, you're gonna have to narrow that down a bit bud, because from my first read through, pretty much everyone's been a target, as well as a few people not even in the game
Lets have a chat about that though. Do you not think any of the current candidates are a strong read right now? Why not? Between Prom/Vivax or are you talking about any other candidates?
On February 27 2013 10:21 Hassybaby wrote:
Lets stick with Prom/Virax for now
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OO specifically asked if Hassy wanted him to discuss Prom/Vivax... I don't see how Hassy's post could be anything but an answer to OO's post which I quoted.
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On February 27 2013 19:38 Vivax wrote:
Besides, what's more suspicious is that he asks Oo to narrow down a 5-dude-list when there's layabout posting a 7-dude list and saying we shouldn't lynch Prom.
Oo was under pressure, layabout wasn't.
Hassy wants to lynch me and Prom, yet asks the guy with Prom in his list to narrow it down and ignores layabout.
Given the timestamps I imagine Hassy made that post asking OO about his list before seeing Layabout's post. I doubt he saw them both and decided to only pressure OO.
The fact that Hassy didn't also ask Layabout about his list afterwards is odd though I agree.
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Well, I'd prefer WF for mayor over VE or DocH because I have a slightly better read on him. If that's not going to happen I'm satisfied with VE.
I will have to leave in half-an-hour and won't be back until after deadline so if my vote has to go somewhere to satisfy whatever our plan is tell me now.
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On February 28 2013 07:03 GreYMisT wrote:
Day 1 Mayor Vote Count
Wade Fell (6): Toadesstern, VisceraEyes, VisceraEyes, DoctorHelvetica, Aquanim, glurio, vivax, JungleJorge, Chezinu, ObviousOne, Wade Fell
VisceraEyes (7): VisceraEyes, Promethelax, VisceraEyes, Toadesstern, ObviousOne, glurio, Hassybaby, VisceraEyes, The Macho Man, Restraining Order, TestSubject893, grush57, randombum, geript, WaveofShadow
DoctorHelvetica (5): Toadesstern, Milksuckler, layabout, VayeshMoru, jcarlsoniv, glurio, VisceraEyes
Promethelax (5): geript, TestSubject893, Toadesstern, Vivax, Layabout
At the moment VisceraEyes is to be elected Mayor and DoctorHelvetica is to be elected Pardoner
Wait, what?
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My vote sticks on Wade. Y'all should consolidate on one or the other though to avoid shenanigans. See you in a few hours.
EBWOP: The point of the above was that Wade has more votes than DocH but DocH is set to be pardoner, is there something I'm missing?
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Heyoo I'm back.
So, these cases.
OO's case
On February 28 2013 11:50 ObviousOne wrote:Aquanim believes that the Obvious One is a member of the cultist faction. His reasons are: - writing very much while saying very little
- having the faintest of ideas of who might be a cultist less than one hour into the show
- acting out as if I were a petulant child
To these statements, I say that I am indeed guilty. Guilty. As. Charged.
These aren't the reasons I said you were scum. I said you were scum for
- not posting anything useful (not for writing a lot because you hadn't done that either)
- giving a scumread with a reason that wasn't a reason at all
- overreacting to my suspicion
So you've twisted what I said a little here.
Let us now, however, turn the tables and see how well the Aquatic One follows his own advice. One case which he has been tunneling on for 48 hours: Show nested quote +On February 26 2013 11:02 Aquanim wrote:
My current strongest scum read is ObviousOne for the reasons stated earlier. His protestations of "I can't give reads early" combined with the reads he has in fact given with little-to-no reasoning feels like scum trying to contribute without actually committing himself. I don't have time to analyse everyone's play at the moment so that's all I have for now. When Aquanim is not busy telling everyone that I am definitely scum, he is asking questions. A great many questions. His case on me from two real days ago seems to be able to stand on its own legs despite the vast amount of further spam and pointless drivel I have provided and he has NOT sought to strengthen his case with the newest information up to this point? If he hasn't developed his case on me, where are the other scum reads he has promised? To this I say, we shan't let you get off on coasting with having a single solitary voluntary scum read outside of the two most promising lynch candidates of Day 1. You cannot, as I have done, sit back and simply ask questions and go along with the prevailing theories of town while keeping me as your scum read and not keeping up on developing your case. I'd believe you were town if you had been pushing your own read as evidence developed. You are no better than I.
The case will indeed be developed further with my thoughts on your more recent play. Stay tuned.
Or how about the fact that both of us ask lots of questions, though we may choose different people to ask? Observe both of our filters, and see how each of us has many many questions and very little opinion or analysis. Either Aquanim is playing the same relative level of town that I am or he knows I'm town and has used my early read as an opportunistic strike to put me on my back foot. Again, nothing he has said about me is wrong, but his filter is not too much different. I'm not intentionally trying to be useless, I just have some level of bi-polar tendencies in that some days are good and others are bad, and the gap between is rather wide. Yesterday was bad, hopefully tomorrow is good.
Well this is a straight-up OMGUS. Pretty much everything in this case is complaining about my case on you (and perhaps how it applies to me as well).
I didn't really see the point in posting serious cases after about midway through D1. I much prefer to pressure someone when I can actually threaten them with a lynch, and the Prom lynch was pretty much cemented. My play was focusing on dissecting cases made by other people (geript and Vivax in particular iirc) and thinking about whether they were sincere.
JJ's case
On February 28 2013 13:02 JungleJorge wrote:Show nested quote +On February 26 2013 17:50 Aquanim wrote:On February 26 2013 17:38 MilkSuckler wrote:
What about you aqua with mayor?
Also, now that there has been an addition 10-20 pages; is your top read still OO? Agreed, if DocH wanted it I'd vote for him. I intend to properly read up on Wade Fell - if I end up thinking he's town (which I think I will, but we'll see) then I wouldn't be against him as mayor. After all, in this setup mayor will probably die pretty fast, and if WF is NK'd I won't be devastated. Obvious still hasn't done anything to make me think he's town at all. I've skimmed the last ten pages or so but haven't thoroughly read them yet. I think I need to go read some previous games of Prom to decide whether the case on him is good, it seems to be mostly based on trends in his play rather than specifically scummy actions. Still rereading so my reads are a work in progress. While reading through prom's filter I noticed his interactions with aquanim looked pretty forced. I decided then to investigate further and came across this gem. Notice he wants to vote Wade Fell and DocH, both of which intend to lynch prom and that is the main driving force of their campaign as mayor. But look he hasn't even a formed opinion on prom still, and we get even a soft defense as a bonus! Look at the tone of this whole post and how noncommittal he is with everything he says regarding other players. Now why would a player who doesn't believe prom is scum would ever "vote for DocH if he wanted it"? The sheer inherent guilt from this post is sickening. I'm extremely confident this man is scum, even more so than TMM and RO. If we have any vigs take a shot at this man.
I was happy with a vote for WF or DocH because I thought DocH was town and after talking to him about the Prom case I was very sure WF was town (see: mayoral vote). My priority for mayor was voting for a strong player whom I had a town read on. If I had convinced myself that Prom was town, I'd have tried to convince them of it rather than switching to someone else. Not having a firm opinion on Prom isn't inconsistent with wanting WF or DocH as mayor.
Also, I don't see how this is a defence of Prom. I said "I don't know whether this case is good". At that point I didn't. Saying that the case was "mostly based on trends in his play rather than specifically scummy actions" wasn't a statement that the case was bad, merely that without a better understanding of Prom's meta (and thus his trends as town or scum) I couldn't reach a firm conclusion.
For the record I never did end up looking at Prom's meta - his failure to try to make anything happen with his RNG gambit was in fact a "specifically scummy action" and was the point that convinced me.
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On February 28 2013 15:42 MilkSuckler wrote:Show nested quote +On February 26 2013 19:09 Aquanim wrote:
And on Prom, do you think his posturing over RNG is necessarily a scum move? Suggesting a RNG lynch while knowing full well it's a terrible idea is a gambit I've seen before, and "gambit" was the first thing I thought when I saw it. Not sure whether people who did it previously were scum or not though. Still, I don't see how it couldn't be town-motivated, as a method to create discussion. Aqua,The above is *really* conflicting my thought process on you. I need a fleshed out response. Show nested quote +Explain to me how discussion of RNG can stimulate meaningful discussion as townie.
I am now uncertain how you mentality shifted from soft-defending a guy based on "could be town motivation" to clear that is scummy.. when the evidence presented never changed. Please keep in mind the below:
- Our conversation of RNG during the pre-game of NMM37.
- The crux of Toad point(s) was the lack of RNG discussion
- The crux of VE point(s) was the lack of RNG discussion
- The crux of Dr.H point(s) was the lack of RNG discussion
- The crux of MilkSuckler point(s) was the lack of RNG discussion
- The crux of Wade Fell point(s) was the lack of RNG discussion
The points Wade walked you through introduced nothing that the others points did not already address
Well, I'm still convinced that RNG is bad. Discussing it might not have been, and I thought that people were claiming that the gambit itself was scummy. Until Wade emphasised it I hadn't realised just how little effort Prom had put into trying to get it discussed. Perhaps that had been emphasised earlier, I have no idea - this is a large thread and I haven't read it all thoroughly.
In any case, asking WF those questions had another purpose - exploring just how much conviction he had for the case, and how thoroughly he had thought it through.
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I want to know specifically how you think RNG discussion can be beneficial to town discussion, considering that was a major reason of you not accepting the case (initially)
Lemme lay out a possible scenario.
- Promethelax runs for mayor on the platform of a RNG lynch
- Someone calls bullshit
On February 26 2013 09:19 JungleJorge wrote:Show nested quote +On February 26 2013 09:12 Promethelax wrote:On February 26 2013 09:09 MilkSuckler wrote:On February 26 2013 09:07 Promethelax wrote:
1. Vote for me, vote for RNG. I have a 1 in five shot at lynching scum and it will be hilariously awesome,
You gonna include yourself in that RNG dear If I am allowed to lynch myself day one. Yes. I believe in true RNG. Isn't that retarded as both alignments?
- Promethelax tells them they're stupid
On February 26 2013 09:30 Promethelax wrote:Show nested quote +On February 26 2013 09:19 JungleJorge wrote:On February 26 2013 09:12 Promethelax wrote:On February 26 2013 09:09 MilkSuckler wrote:On February 26 2013 09:07 Promethelax wrote:
1. Vote for me, vote for RNG. I have a 1 in five shot at lynching scum and it will be hilariously awesome,
You gonna include yourself in that RNG dear If I am allowed to lynch myself day one. Yes. I believe in true RNG. Isn't that retarded as both alignments? Yes? But the idea of a random lynch is good. You should be able to see why. Assuming you don't suck, which I'm assuming.
- Entering the realm of hypothesis where town prom did this: some scum attacks prom for making a bad case
On Feburary 30 2013 26:04 Some imaginary scum wroteShow nested quote +Yes? But the idea of a random lynch is good. You should be able to see why. Assuming you don't suck, which I'm assuming. That post is terrible and wrong u scum bro lolol
- Prom nails them for making a shitty case
On February 26 2013 09:07 Imaginary Town Promethelax wrote:Show nested quote +On Feburary 30 2013 26:04 Some imaginary scum wroteYes? But the idea of a random lynch is good. You should be able to see why. Assuming you don't suck, which I'm assuming. That post is terrible and wrong u scum bro lolol yeah the post was stupid but how does it have scum mentality? your case is bad and a townie wouldn't make it no u scum. bro.
tl;dr - baiting scum to attack you (in a way which will expose them as scum) by making an easily attackable post is a conceivable town tactic.
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On February 28 2013 16:28 MilkSuckler wrote:Show nested quote +On February 28 2013 16:18 Aquanim wrote:+ Show Spoiler +
I want to know specifically how you think RNG discussion can be beneficial to town discussion, considering that was a major reason of you not accepting the case (initially)
Lemme lay out a possible scenario. - Promethelax runs for mayor on the platform of a RNG lynch
- Someone calls bullshit
On February 26 2013 09:19 JungleJorge wrote:Show nested quote +On February 26 2013 09:12 Promethelax wrote:On February 26 2013 09:09 MilkSuckler wrote:On February 26 2013 09:07 Promethelax wrote:
1. Vote for me, vote for RNG. I have a 1 in five shot at lynching scum and it will be hilariously awesome,
You gonna include yourself in that RNG dear If I am allowed to lynch myself day one. Yes. I believe in true RNG. Isn't that retarded as both alignments?
- Promethelax tells them they're stupid
On February 26 2013 09:30 Promethelax wrote:Show nested quote +On February 26 2013 09:19 JungleJorge wrote:On February 26 2013 09:12 Promethelax wrote:On February 26 2013 09:09 MilkSuckler wrote:On February 26 2013 09:07 Promethelax wrote:
1. Vote for me, vote for RNG. I have a 1 in five shot at lynching scum and it will be hilariously awesome,
You gonna include yourself in that RNG dear If I am allowed to lynch myself day one. Yes. I believe in true RNG. Isn't that retarded as both alignments? Yes? But the idea of a random lynch is good. You should be able to see why. Assuming you don't suck, which I'm assuming.
- Entering the realm of hypothesis where town prom did this: some scum attacks prom for making a bad case
On Feburary 30 2013 26:04 Some imaginary scum wroteShow nested quote +Yes? But the idea of a random lynch is good. You should be able to see why. Assuming you don't suck, which I'm assuming. That post is terrible and wrong u scum bro lolol
- Prom nails them for making a shitty case
On February 26 2013 09:07 Imaginary Town Promethelax wrote:Show nested quote +On Feburary 30 2013 26:04 Some imaginary scum wroteYes? But the idea of a random lynch is good. You should be able to see why. Assuming you don't suck, which I'm assuming. That post is terrible and wrong u scum bro lolol yeah the post was stupid but how does it have scum mentality? your case is bad and a townie wouldn't make it no u scum. bro.
tl;dr - baiting scum to attack you (in a way which will expose them as scum) by making an easily attackable post is a conceivable town tactic. ##Vig: AquanimWrong answer The conversation I had with Prome pre-game actually supports your hypothesis. the problem is: promes actions in-game....Which conveniently you quoted for me already  Show nested quote +Yes? But the idea of a random lynch is good. You should be able to see why. Assuming you don't suck, which I'm assuming. Let me bring to the fore points I raised in my case of Prome Show nested quote +On February 26 2013 13:55 MilkSuckler wrote:
(1) Conjecture: I have PM correspondance with prome (pre-LX) that state explicitly he is against RNG as it is both anti-town and stupid play.
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(2) Track History: Both Nomination & NMM37 contained proponents of RNG. They were both scum. Though this does not guarantee Prome as scum; it does suggest scum are more willing to run with it than town.
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(1) Outcome: Mentions the RNG play didn't generate the discussion he wanted. Yet responds to people with "pro-town gems" like: "you should be able to see why. Assuming you don't suck". There is no effort in his filter to prompt further discourse; and when others critically query him, he immediately shuts them down with insults.
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(2) The plan: Provides details of the RNG plan to unveil scum - because only scum would support RNG. Ironically scum proponent: Djodref, took a similar stance in Nomination mafia. This is a very convenient stance any RNG proponent can outline; without dispute. The real question is whether prome went out of his way to facilitate discussion and identify RNG supporters. The short answer is: no"
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(2) RNG: You can include RNG as a sudden shift as it lost momentum. The whole play read like a farce with zero commitment.
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His RNG behaviour is classic scum mentality; and I believe if a townie ever pushed for RNG it would be performed with a lot more transparency.
There is no fucking way a townie goes about achieving a trap like that the way prome went about it. I actually have respect for your play; and know you pride yourself on picking up bullshit like what Prome did. That you turn a blind eye (repeatedly)... well... there is nothing to say
I lol'd
Pretty sure you town though, this feels like town Mocsta logic.
Like I said, I didn't read the entire thread in detail. Your posts are hard to read at the best of times and I didn't read all of your arguments in detail, so if you said it before WF I guess I just didn't see it.
Having looked at the roles I'm pretty sure I can't possibly be dead before the daypost. I'll post my reads sometime.
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Wrong answer
Out of curiosity, what would have been the right answer? If there wasn't one, maybe you oughta reexamine your read for confirmation bias...
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On February 28 2013 16:40 Aquanim wrote:Out of curiosity, what would have been the right answer? If there wasn't one, maybe you oughta reexamine your read for confirmation bias...
Yo MilkSuckler, I'm not dead quite yet. Answer the question.
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On February 28 2013 16:48 MilkSuckler wrote:Show nested quote +On February 28 2013 16:40 Aquanim wrote:
Wrong answer
Out of curiosity, what would have been the right answer? If there wasn't one, maybe you oughta reexamine your read for confirmation bias... http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=399294¤tpage=97#1940You gave the right answer... thats why it is the wrong answer.You have proven you understand the reasoning behind town/scum logic with RNG discussion. Yet is clear VERY clear.. promes actions do not support the sound reasoning you proposed. You even quote his behaviour and turn a blind eye. For me: This actually for me proves you are scum.. you KNOWINGLY turned a blind eye to what you know (as a townie) *stinks* I conclude with:
This isn't actually an answer to my question. If there weren't any answers I could have given that would have changed your mind why did you ask the question in the first place?
Also...
Yet is clear VERY clear.. promes actions do not support the sound reasoning you proposed.
I don't really agree with this, and it certainly wasn't clear to me at the time. F'rinstance, I thought at the time that Prom insulting the first player to question him was designed to rile people up more and try to provoke a response, which would have been a good townie tactic.
Your case is still assuming that I have completely read the thread and thought hard about all of it, which is already longer than any games I've previously played. I've been busy since the game started and thus haven't had time to think critically about all 25 players.
What exactly is scummy about me not realising Prom's gambit wasn't done well until it was specifically pointed out? Do you seriously think the entirety of my filter reflects a scummy player? I know you, and I know how many townies you've tunneled based on a single perceived inconsistency. You're doing it again.
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EBWOP: Take a good, long look at your read and see whether you think you're making the mistake. And if you don't do it now, promise you'll do it when I flip.
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EBWOP again: the same mistake.
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