EPTNot going to beat the dead horse of the Prom case.
I will return in a few hours after class. Before I do, I will be looking at Vivax and Vayesh (initial gut reads after catching up), and I will comment on them then.
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Not going to beat the dead horse of the Prom case. I will return in a few hours after class. Before I do, I will be looking at Vivax and Vayesh (initial gut reads after catching up), and I will comment on them then. | ||
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VayeshMoru After a quick read through his filter, one thing is certainly obvious (aside the fact that VM is 3rd person role playing): He isn't committing to anything. VM makes a couple posts about disliking Vivax: + Show Spoiler + On February 26 2013 10:09 VayeshMoru wrote: Vayesh finds all this talking hard on the head. He believes silencing Vivax would ease the suffering of all considerably. After that silence is attained the society of cult killers should move on to discussing real mayoral choices. Those who decide to blend in with shadow and hide their faces are no better than doomsday bringers. On February 26 2013 10:49 VayeshMoru wrote: when one speaks, meaning should be revealed. Instead when Vivax speaks confusion is created. Men of order and truth have no reason to create chaos, to mute those of worth. On February 26 2013 10:52 VayeshMoru wrote: obviousone could say this yes. But the annuls show that the discussion the one by OO has been more relevant than that of the mockery of society of the Vivax And then gives his $.02 about some other people: + Show Spoiler + On February 26 2013 11:02 VayeshMoru wrote: Let the records show the the voice of Prom has slowly gone from the soothing and alluring voice of the songstress to the shriek of countless banshee's. Cult worshipping is appearing to be at an all time high. A savior is needed to clear the shadows from our light. On February 26 2013 11:09 VayeshMoru wrote: Vayesh is puzzled at the contradictions brought to bear before him. The voice of the man of water speaks of non committal when he himself fails to show commitment to the cause. The light is not finding its way into the ocean depths. Perhaps with more swimming the figure will come closer to illumination. On February 26 2013 12:20 VayeshMoru wrote: A question appears. Does this lab rat have experience in worlds outside of the team liquid? If so why would the experiment feel the need to declare his inability to perform. On February 26 2013 12:25 VayeshMoru wrote: Vayesh finds it odd that Prom feels the need to speak for a man named marv. Vayesh does not see the one by that name in this world. If he exists he must be a man of the mask. If that were the case would it not be wise to correlate that the man from prom was in some form of dealings with the masked devil On February 26 2013 12:41 VayeshMoru wrote: one world is not enough to validate a truth the man of prom is implying. However the annuls will record that the mask of the bovine has declared a correct statement. The rushing man is not in danger of the deathmachines for now. He is intentionally making a point to put his mark on a lot of different people. He seems somewhat supportive of the Prom lynch, but again, it's hard to tell, he's not committing to anything. He's largely contributing very little, but casting his little doubts upon enough people that eventually, one has to stick. I would not be sad to see VayeshMoru die. @Dr.H: How confident are you in either/or/both Prome and Vivax being scum? Are you going to continue to push them until the end of the day? I know Prome can't defend himself at this point, and I feel Vivax has not done a good job of defending himself (but last game I was convinced Vivax was scum, and I was dead wrong, so I'm being a bit more wary this time around). | ||
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On February 26 2013 18:25 JungleJorge wrote: I believe promethelax is innocent and I may expand on that if necessary, but it should be painfully obvious to anyone reading this thread how much traction this wagon got based on very poor reasoning by most of you. Much of the "scummy" behavior you have been pointing out is exactly the opposite of what scum normally tries to accomplish when they post. I suggest you revisit prom's filter and think about why he would post some of the stuff he has posted if he was indeed scum. I plan on being more specific later, but I'll give you guys some time to figure it out by yourselves. I would also like you to take a look on The Macho Man, as he is my best guess for scum amongst the "active" posters. Again, I'll come back to expand on this as well. See you guys in a few hours. On February 27 2013 03:41 JungleJorge wrote: Promethelax is likely scum. I made that post specifically to see how he would react (as you noticed I didn't provide any reasons). Mostly my concerns were that too many people were pushing for his lynch and there was no opposition to it. Also the main reasons for the suspicion on him was some sudden change of mind or some controversial behavior, and those are normally townie traits. Now onto his reaction to my post: as town he would never come to the conclusion that I'm scum in that spot. What would be my interest as scum in defending a player everybody else thinks is scum? For town cred? As you can all tell that very often has the opposite effect and town cred is overrated anyway. People had not even mentioned my name prior to this so I had no reason to risk my neck over this. If you know you are townie your first reaction in this situation certainly is to think the people that are defending you are town! Now as scum what would you do? First you have inherent guilt, you think you look bad, so it's plausible that the claim that the guy defending you must have extra information should fly. Secondly you want to divert attention from your lynch, so it's a terrific opportunity to throw suspicion on someone that is on the other side of the issue. People that want to lynch prome certainly won't like the defense one bit, and are more easily willing to jump on the person defending it. As you can see Promethelax post makes very little sense if taken form a townie perspective, but makes a lot of sense given a scum mentality. I'll refrain from expanding my thoughts on macho man from now as to not derail this lynch. | ||
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On February 27 2013 04:06 ObviousOne wrote: Jcarl are you insinuating that JJ was making it look like there was opposition to the lynch so that the prevailing mindset that "lynches that meet opposition are usually good lynches" would cause a follow-through? Scum using a TL-meta tool to their advanted? What? I'm confused as to why JJ would go from "I believe promethelax is innocent" to "Promethelax is likely scum" in literally one post. And using "JK GAIZ I WAS JUST TESTING HIM" is not a viable excuse in my book. | ||
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On February 27 2013 04:11 glurio wrote: I think vayesh does make sense in what he posts. Yeah hes pretty much just prodding around but thats kinda what you have to do in the beginning. And he has found good points imo. Jcarlsoniv do you believe prom and vivax are town? If yes, what makes you believe so? I don't believe either is town, but I'm a bit more reserved on Vivax because I tunneled him hard last game for similar reasons, and I ended up being wrong. | ||
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On February 27 2013 04:19 glurio wrote: Do you think vayesh is scummier then prome? Vayesh has less to go on, so I don't know. Prome can't defend himself though, and we haven't heard from Vayesh in a while. Off to class/practice, back in a few hours | ||
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On February 27 2013 07:24 layabout wrote: Wave do you not think it's suspicious that jcarl agrees that prom and vivax are scum when asked but otherwise ignores them or that his scum read was somebody that has adopted a troll-ish posting style? At the time of posting, I was not going to beat the dead horse (as I said previously) that was the case already made. There was nothing I could say that would have been any value that hadn't already been posted by others. So I made a stab at doing my own hunting for the future. Regarding Vivax, as I said earlier, this feels incredibly reminicent of the headbutting we did last game. You'll notice that in my absence, he has turned to pressuring me quite a bit. This is fine, but it's misguided, and very familiar. As for Vayesh, after seeing him post more, I am willing to retract my previous gut read. Despite the cryptic nature of my posting, it does seem that he's trying to contribute and be useful. (and I like reading his posts, lol) On February 27 2013 07:52 Vivax wrote: Carlson I'd like to know your updated opinion on vayesh and why you sounded so sure about Prom not being able to post when you see this. For Vayesh, please see above. For Prom - I merely reiterated what he had already said earlier: + Show Spoiler + On February 26 2013 22:00 Promethelax wrote: Hey all, catching a jetplane outta here in a few minutes but I'm here right now. I'm still uncomfortable with Wade though knowing it is bh makes him less likely to be scum in my eyes. His weird d1 behaviour is weird in a blazing way, which I usually find scummy. Things I still find scummy in him: his omgus attack already mentioned, attacking me for having a changed read after I reread the thread (I get that everyone wants to get on my wagon now, its the in thing to do but assuming you do lynch me when I flip look for shoddy reasoning like Wade's), his obsession with the vet/newbie dichotomy (he is focusing on it to the exclusion of actual scum hunting) Things I find townie: his confidence and casual tone ("for all you know I'm warbaby" and "so no real opinions then") conclusion: keep an eye on, not a good day one lynch JJ on the other hand is looking scummier (again this only works for me but once I flip go back and look at my reads k thx) I am under a lot of pressure now and most/all of the vets and smurfs (i.e. probable vets want to lynch me) and yet JJ comes in and says I am town for no reason. He has a reason. He just won't share it. It looks to me like a scummer trying to gain a little cred on a mislynch while also not actually derail the lynch. This is his whole interaction with me/comment on me before his sudden defense conclusion: probably scum, would lynch. I'm heading out of town and will have limited internet access. I will post when I can. Good luck town! That was his most recent post. He also said in pregame that he would have very limited availability at this time. There are a number of people who will kill him should they be elected mayor (VE and DrH off the top of my head) If he does indeed flip red, it's the people actively avoiding voting for these candidates that should be scrutinized. On February 27 2013 04:24 WaveofShadow wrote: Ohai Soniv, good to see you. I'd like to hear your thoughts on some of the other less-oft talked about people (since that's what you appear to be focusing on), namely geript, who still, STILL has not responded to my questions towards him, rather is tunneling his retarded ideas about me following a script or being 'excited' or some shit. Also glurio, glad to see you've popped up as well, want to hear more from you as well, possibly on someone besides Prom/Vivax. I agree the geript was making a terrible case on you. I also don't like: On February 27 2013 07:59 geript wrote: I think if I get a scum flip on WoS I can make a strong association case on Vivax. Geript, it doesn't look like you're going to get a WoS lynch today, so unless you can actually make a real case for him, then make your case on Vivax. None of this association shit when nothing has happened yet. | ||
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On February 26 2013 09:40 randombum wrote: Hello. Everybody should vote me for mayor, I'm 100% correct on my first impression scum-reads for the last 2 years. That's an amazing track record. Still waiting to hear from you. There isn't a single scum read in your filter, and all you've really posted was an incredibly convoluted scheme to get scum elected to try and get information. | ||
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On February 27 2013 10:39 jcarlsoniv wrote: Still waiting to hear from you. There isn't a single scum read in your filter, and all you've really posted was an incredibly convoluted scheme to get scum elected to try and get information. Retracted. And I like your case on OO | ||
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On February 27 2013 11:21 DoctorHelvetica wrote: You're not getting lynched tonight, so it would be a complete waste of my time. Pressure makes mafia crack and form cases. Cases are to get mafia lynched. I could throw out more cases now but it wouldn't be productive. That case would get buried and then day 2 discussion would go in a different direction. Focus is important. And my axe! ##vote Dr.H | ||
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@wave: I made a post addressing questions directed towards/ about me. I also said that if I missed any to please tell me. So please, enlighten me. Vivax was lashing out hardcore. DrH, the last game he was town in was Themed Game Mafia (if you're looking to check in on him, as you said you might). You'll notice he and I were butting heads towards the end of the game. His attitude this game seems far more aggressive and illogical to me, and he is looking scummier each time he lashes out. | ||
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Since we plan on killing prom (this more directed at DrH since he is dead set on prom dying while VE has left room for different opinions), what is the biggest reason for not putting prom into pardoner position? DrH, since you'd be killing him, do you have any qualms about shooting prom and getting rid of pardoner simultaneously? | ||
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The protector found in 1-12 shall save the mayor. The other the Pardoner Chez, why are you interested in coordinating a save on the pardoner? I thought it was generally accepted that pardoner is anti-town. | ||
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I know geript wasn't the first to mention it. I'd look back if I had more of a capacity to do so. I only said him because he said it most recently (directly above my post). It seems a plausible plan now because we actually have a plan to kill someone now, and I am in support of DrH doing so. | ||
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On February 28 2013 09:07 Toadesstern wrote: that being said Laya, VE (sadly), and I myself are all pretty much confirmed town, dr.H as well though not as much (from a objective point of view ignoring everything else because of timestamps, if you add everything else he probably looks better than the 3 of us). So protecting anyone in that list sounds good to me. Grush is the next mafia that needs to be either shot or vigged. See you tomorrow. I'm not sure if I missed something, but why is laya confirmed town? And you would obviously say that you're confirmed town yourself... | ||
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On February 28 2013 09:11 Toadesstern wrote: I don't think Laya and VE would sheep me onto voting prom 2 hours into the game if they'd be in his team at all. No way at all. Why are you assuming Laya and VE are on the same team? I haven't had anything that's made me necessarily think laya is town. It would be very easy for scum to gain town cred by sheeping Prom. From very early in the day, it was clear that he was going to be killed. The only real question was who would be the mayor to do it. | ||
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On February 28 2013 09:20 Toadesstern wrote: Look at the timestamps. I voted Prom 2 hours into the game telling people to dayvig, vote him in case we don't have a dayvig and ignore everything else because we need to make sure Prom dies no matter what. Both Laya and VE agreed with that. Again, 2 hours into the day. There's about NO WAY one of those 2 is mafia based on it, especially considering that they both sheeped my initial post, the one that was barely explained and only a request for prom to explain himself that made him scumslip 30 minutes afterwards. VE and Laya both agreed before that happened. Ok, I acknowledge that logic. However, that doesn't make them 100% townie in my eyes, nor does it make you 100% townie - especially considering how hard you were trying to make sure EVERYONE knows it was your idea. | ||
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On February 28 2013 09:21 VisceraEyes wrote: Again, because lies are being spread. I did not sheep on Prom. Unless agreeing with someone's point of discussion is considered "sheeping", I provided reasoning of my own that corroborated what Toad was saying before I said, but I did not just "sheep" him. This sentiment is false and needs to stop. "Sheeping" becoming synonymous with "agreeing". Sorry, not trying to perpetuate that. It is noted that you pushing Prom was certainly different than Toad doing so. | ||
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