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On February 26 2013 11:59 TestSubject893 wrote:
I really don't understand how so people are getting to the conclusion that because we don't have enough control over the vote to try and make the person we lynch pardoner we should make a good player pardoner. Am I missing something?
Hence my post. If you're worried about scum getting the position, put me in it instead, and if people are absolutely paranoid that I'm not town then worst case scenario it's a mislynch on a role that you don't want that badly anyway, and best case scenario, you don't lynch me and you have town in the position you want.
If you're commenting on the fact that it might be inherently more difficult to try and fix the runner up vote, then that's a different story, obviously.
On February 26 2013 11:57 WaveofShadow wrote:
Of course the other option is to make me Mayor if you have that much trust in me but to be perfectly honest, I would NOT do the role justice despite how 'super townie' Prom says I am. Need a few more games under my belt for that.
Ultimately it's all up to you guys. If my idea is dumb then it's dumb and we can move on.
Sorry for formatting, the bolded posts are mine. Testsubject, from a completely neutral point of you you're right; I can't help but inherently see the value in wanting to put myself up for this, however, knowing my own alignment. I don't see myself as Mayor so given your case it pretty much boils down to, do we want to ignore me or not? 
On February 26 2013 12:02 MilkSuckler wrote:Show nested quote +On February 26 2013 11:51 TestSubject893 wrote:On February 26 2013 11:27 WaveofShadow wrote:On February 26 2013 11:15 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
I really hate mayor day 1s because everyone operates under this assumption that mafia would obsess over getting the role, if I were scum I'd personally advise my team to not even run. Take that for what it's worth but the extra attention isn't really worth shit without bodyguards.
Wales Fell (or whatever the smurf is) made a good point that pardoner is really only beneficial to scum. But I'm confused why any mayor would announce intention to autolynch pardoner, broadcasting that plan to the scum guarantees that they won't get the role lol A thought popped into my head regarding this...it may be absolutely retarded but you guys will let me know that after the fact, won't you? Since the pardoner is inherently more dangerous as a scumrole and the plan to 'kill two birds with one stone' in all likelihood won't (or can't at this point) gain the traction necessary to be carried out, why not give up the role to someone who is likely to be targeted early anyway, or someone who if you are overly suspicious of, you can lynch yourselves anyway? Case and point: a newbie. I graciously offer up myself to be the (possible) sacrificial lamb to do with as you will. If you so choose to lynch me for fear that I am scum, then I go down happily, hopefully bringing as much information to the table as possible before I crash and burn in an epic fireball. If you choose to keep me around, then I will serve the town gladly and I will offer up my pardon to save a deserving person. Since I am new to this whole durned mafia thing, I am likely to be either ignored or an easy mafia target, keeping the role out of scum's reach. WHAT SAY YOU GENTLEMEN You either didn't think this plan through or are just trying to pull one over on everyone. If we give Pardoner to you (or anyone) we can't trust that they won't just save themselves if we decide to lynch them. The only real choices I see are killing the Pardoner D1 or giving it to a player we trust. Giving it to someone who we think will die might sound good, but voicing that sentiment means that they probably won't and not only will we be no closer to figuring out if that person is mafia, but it will take 2 days if we do decide to lynch them. I am going to sheep this. I think the role has to go to someone we trust. Hence we are back to voting the two pro-towniest pricks in the game. As far as I am concerned, a pardoner saving themselves from lynch is not alignment indicative. ======= @WoS: Whilst I applaud your confidence to stand before the experienced players present and declare you're love of town; it does little to earn my trust. You say you want to put Prome on the backburner and continue scum hunting: what make you of "Wade Fell"
I'll get to this, give me a few min.
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On February 26 2013 12:04 Promethelax wrote:Show nested quote +On February 26 2013 11:57 WaveofShadow wrote:On February 26 2013 11:51 TestSubject893 wrote:On February 26 2013 11:27 WaveofShadow wrote:On February 26 2013 11:15 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
I really hate mayor day 1s because everyone operates under this assumption that mafia would obsess over getting the role, if I were scum I'd personally advise my team to not even run. Take that for what it's worth but the extra attention isn't really worth shit without bodyguards.
Wales Fell (or whatever the smurf is) made a good point that pardoner is really only beneficial to scum. But I'm confused why any mayor would announce intention to autolynch pardoner, broadcasting that plan to the scum guarantees that they won't get the role lol A thought popped into my head regarding this...it may be absolutely retarded but you guys will let me know that after the fact, won't you? Since the pardoner is inherently more dangerous as a scumrole and the plan to 'kill two birds with one stone' in all likelihood won't (or can't at this point) gain the traction necessary to be carried out, why not give up the role to someone who is likely to be targeted early anyway, or someone who if you are overly suspicious of, you can lynch yourselves anyway? Case and point: a newbie. I graciously offer up myself to be the (possible) sacrificial lamb to do with as you will. If you so choose to lynch me for fear that I am scum, then I go down happily, hopefully bringing as much information to the table as possible before I crash and burn in an epic fireball. If you choose to keep me around, then I will serve the town gladly and I will offer up my pardon to save a deserving person. Since I am new to this whole durned mafia thing, I am likely to be either ignored or an easy mafia target, keeping the role out of scum's reach. WHAT SAY YOU GENTLEMEN You either didn't think this plan through or are just trying to pull one over on everyone. If we give Pardoner to you (or anyone) we can't trust that they won't just save themselves if we decide to lynch them. The only real choices I see are killing the Pardoner D1 or giving it to a player we trust. Giving it to someone who we think will die might sound good, but voicing that sentiment means that they probably won't and not only will we be no closer to figuring out if that person is mafia, but it will take 2 days if we do decide to lynch them. Alright, I sort of see your point, but the question is can I pardon myself D1? If not then the plan theoretically stands and you have nothing to worry about (unless you think I'm scummy at a later date). If so then....yeah I suppose I'd have to go with hoping that you guys trust me. Of course the other option is to make me Mayor if you have that much trust in me but to be perfectly honest, I would NOT do the role justice despite how 'super townie' Prom says I am. Need a few more games under my belt for that. Ultimately it's all up to you guys. If my idea is dumb then it's dumb and we can move on. I don't want you mayor, even though I'd bet a nut you are town I wouldn't bet a single hair of my beard on you making the right choices. I've been burned by newbie townies before (YAN). If you are elected pardoner do not pardon anyone. Ever.
I can get behind this.
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Regarding 'Wade Fell'
Null alignment at best. Seems to be doing a decent job of throwing his vote (or suspicion) around aimlessly all the while shitting up the thread in short bursts, then disappears. Not enough to go on and hasn't contributed useful information, all he does is prod.
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On February 26 2013 12:16 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
+100 scum points for everyone ignoring a case against prom and instead talking about pardoner with WoS and everyone praising him for being a great townie instead of focusing on the scumhunt
is this because of that bullshit about how your job as a townie is to prove you're a townie and scumhunting is somehow second to that?
On February 26 2013 12:02 MilkSuckler wrote:Show nested quote +On February 26 2013 11:51 TestSubject893 wrote:On February 26 2013 11:27 WaveofShadow wrote:On February 26 2013 11:15 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
I really hate mayor day 1s because everyone operates under this assumption that mafia would obsess over getting the role, if I were scum I'd personally advise my team to not even run. Take that for what it's worth but the extra attention isn't really worth shit without bodyguards.
Wales Fell (or whatever the smurf is) made a good point that pardoner is really only beneficial to scum. But I'm confused why any mayor would announce intention to autolynch pardoner, broadcasting that plan to the scum guarantees that they won't get the role lol A thought popped into my head regarding this...it may be absolutely retarded but you guys will let me know that after the fact, won't you? Since the pardoner is inherently more dangerous as a scumrole and the plan to 'kill two birds with one stone' in all likelihood won't (or can't at this point) gain the traction necessary to be carried out, why not give up the role to someone who is likely to be targeted early anyway, or someone who if you are overly suspicious of, you can lynch yourselves anyway? Case and point: a newbie. I graciously offer up myself to be the (possible) sacrificial lamb to do with as you will. If you so choose to lynch me for fear that I am scum, then I go down happily, hopefully bringing as much information to the table as possible before I crash and burn in an epic fireball. If you choose to keep me around, then I will serve the town gladly and I will offer up my pardon to save a deserving person. Since I am new to this whole durned mafia thing, I am likely to be either ignored or an easy mafia target, keeping the role out of scum's reach. WHAT SAY YOU GENTLEMEN You either didn't think this plan through or are just trying to pull one over on everyone. If we give Pardoner to you (or anyone) we can't trust that they won't just save themselves if we decide to lynch them. The only real choices I see are killing the Pardoner D1 or giving it to a player we trust. Giving it to someone who we think will die might sound good, but voicing that sentiment means that they probably won't and not only will we be no closer to figuring out if that person is mafia, but it will take 2 days if we do decide to lynch them. I am going to sheep this. I think the role has to go to someone we trust. Hence we are back to voting the two pro-towniest pricks in the game. As far as I am concerned, a pardoner saving themselves from lynch is not alignment indicative. ======= @WoS: Whilst I applaud your confidence to stand before the experienced players present and declare you're love of town; it does little to earn my trust. You say you want to put Prome on the backburner and continue scum hunting: what make you of "Wade Fell"
On February 26 2013 11:42 WaveofShadow wrote:Show nested quote +On February 26 2013 11:36 VisceraEyes wrote:
I'm share the sentiment that it would be too much of a pain to try and fix the election to remove the pardoner. It just seems easier all around to just try and get town into both positions. Hence my post. If you're worried about scum getting the position, put me in it instead, and if people are absolutely paranoid that I'm not town then worst case scenario it's a mislynch on a role that you don't want that badly anyway, and best case scenario, you don't lynch me and you have town in the position you want. If you're commenting on the fact that it might be inherently more difficult to try and fix the runner up vote, then that's a different story, obviously. I really like the Dr.'s posting so far, but I'd just like to keep in mind that I don't think we should start bandwagoning so early. I think it's been established by a few people already that Prom looks scummy; thus we know not to put him up for mayor. Are we now, like the good Doctor suggests, looking for a mayor to lynch him flat-out, or do we continue the scumhunt while keeping Prom in the back of our minds?I lean towards the second option.
I've only said 100 fucking times to drop it if people don't like it, consider it dropped. As for you, geript, you should know, ONCE AGAIN if you even looked at the game we recently played that if anything it's exactly like my town play from last game, in which I question everything I do because I suck. I'm just less afraid to suck now.
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Wow real shit job of formatting I'm doing this game.
Essentially, good Doctor, I bring up the points about focusing on the scumhunt MYSELF, AND calling Prom scummy (which you conveniently ignore in your long post regarding how you don't yet view me as town, but rather, 'worrisome') and you somehow ignore that and instead take it as me shitting up the thread. As I said, drop the pardoner shit, we'll see what happens.
Personally I'm wondering how the fuck geript seems to be 100% sure of Mocsta being who he says he is.
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On February 26 2013 12:27 ObviousOne wrote:
Prom is voting VE for mayor despite VE's intent to lynch into Prom/Vivax?
Doesn't mean anything, could be a weak attempt to look town for all we know.
Also Milksuckler, considering Wade Fells' filter at this point in the game, the best I can offer is null. Do you think you could do any better without it sounding forced?
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On February 26 2013 12:36 DoctorHelvetica wrote:Show nested quote +On February 26 2013 12:26 Promethelax wrote:On February 26 2013 12:24 DoctorHelvetica wrote:On February 26 2013 12:18 MilkSuckler wrote:
DoctorHelvetica.. are you against me voting you for mayor? I don't want to be mayor, no. Why not? As town it doubles the huge incentive that mafia already have to hit me and as mafia it doubles the intensity of the spotlight and accusations. The added pressure on either side fucks with my game and I don't play as well in a mayor game. I don't see the role as particularly useful without bodyguards because the mayor is going to be lynched or killed either way. I feel more comfortable on the outside looking in if that makes sense. I'm trying to stop posting too much (as I have been every game and failed in every game). That should be reason enough. If I think the lynch is going in the wrong direction I might run though. @WoS, please don't use your meta as a bailout for bad or scummy play. Just try to improve. Focus on hunting scum and explain your reasoning better. I have zero interests in your ideas about the campaign. If Promethelax is your top scumread, why are you hesitant to push for him to be lynched? Is not the goal of the game to lynch scum? If Prom is town, we all move on with the information we have and continue to push and pressure until the town wins. It's not going to be a perfect victory so don't get caught up in your own lack of confidence.
I'm not hesitant to push him at all, but there are still ~44 hours left in the day. Tunneling a solitary lynch target this early doesn't do much to weed out the rest of the scumteam, so yes, I am interested in seeing Prom go down as of right now, but not at the exclusion of finding the others.
Geript, you seem to be really relying on 'Mocsta' and buddying him hard and relying heavily on meta from last game (which I've already pointed out doesn't tell you anything at all regarding me). Any other thoughts on anyone else this game at all?
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Alright I know people hate this kind of thing but I'm bringing it up anyway: there are still ~3-4 people who haven't said a word yet this game and quite a few others whose filters aren't even worth going through yet.
The day is still young obviously but that makes voting for a mayor extremely difficult, knowing that right now we have a choice of essentially 2-3 active members when there may be other valid choices who haven't spoken their minds yet. I'm not rushing to commit. This goes for scumhunting too; it really makes me hate D1 because half of the people in the game go completely unscrutinized while it's entirely possible that it's 8 or so townies are flinging shit at each other.
Talking more about Prom is not helpful until he's ready to respond, I demand that he respond to my case in full and explain his reasoning adequately. It's worth noting that Vivax has 2 full pages in his filter with zero content.
This is the kind of thing I like and what I was trying to allude towards earlier when I was torn apart for whatever reason by Dr. H. We need to be looking everywhere for scum, not just at the people who are right under our noses.
As far as Vivax goes, again I'm afraid I can't offer anything useful. Endless questions and banter does not a filter make.
On February 26 2013 11:09 ObviousOne wrote:
Martyring? LOL
That is a fairly inaccurate representation of what I'm doing here. You could have tunneled on me just as easily if I said "fucked if I know who is scum" and the only pressure I'm feeling right now is coming from my bowels care of this afternoon's tacos.
ObviousOne's looks remarkably similar with a promise to be more active when he wakes up; I look forward to that and expect it, since he attempted to draw attention and pressure toward himself.
Geript on the other hand still hasn't responded to my questions regarding his meta diving and buddying with who he presumes to be Mocsta.
On February 26 2013 10:05 geript wrote:+ Show Spoiler +On February 26 2013 09:27 geript wrote:Show nested quote +On February 26 2013 09:23 Vivax wrote:
Geript, what makes you unlikely for NK if you fulfil A + B properly?
lol Being an unknown is likely to have some minor advantages, for example seeing if I can be manipulated and utilized instead of having to waste a night action on killing me. My posting style and case formulation is different than most which will likely make me a case target more than not. That answer or this one? + Show Spoiler +On February 26 2013 09:35 geript wrote:
As of yet, no. The question is why do you feel my newbie status is important?
He considers himself a good candidate for mayor but when shot down (due to 'newbie status or not') he switches to VE. He hasn't changed his vote yet since he hasn't returned in a long time but it is interesting to note that the next person to jump on VE-for-mayor (other than VE himself who is constantly switching his vote) is none other than our current scum candidate, Prom.
This could mean any one of a number of things, the most obvious being that Prom was looking for an easy way to clear his name; that is, to jump on voting someone for Mayor even if said person was going to lynch him D1. Regarding Geript himself, I'm really not a fan of his tunneling me for reasons that needed to be left behind last game, but the fact that he is doing this either means he is, in fact playing the exact same game as he played last time, meaning he sucks at reads and is town, or he is specifically looking to act the same way.
Either way, Geript, counterpressure time. I expect answers to my questions when you get back.
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On February 26 2013 16:29 MilkSuckler wrote:Show nested quote +On February 26 2013 16:15 WaveofShadow wrote:
This could mean any one of a number of things, the most obvious being that Prom was looking for an easy way to clear his name; that is, to jump on voting someone for Mayor even if said person was going to lynch him D1. WoS, can you please flesh this out a bit more: help me understand. Why is it obvious prome was looking to clear his name? Who sullied his name in the first place?
The way I see it, he realized he fucked up once VE caught on.
On February 26 2013 10:06 VisceraEyes wrote:Show nested quote +On February 26 2013 10:04 Toadesstern wrote:On February 26 2013 09:57 Promethelax wrote:Okay, so RNG didn't create the discussion I wanted. Screw you guys. On February 26 2013 09:28 Wade Fell wrote:
My new platform is killing Layabout
Read his posts
hes scum Explain. For the moment my top scum read is WoS, he responded to gerpit's candidacy all wrong, obviously assuming gerpit is town but statistically... On February 26 2013 09:23 WaveofShadow wrote:On February 26 2013 09:20 geript wrote:
It looks to me that the best person for mayor is someone who is willing to:
A. put in the time to read the thread
B. both make and evaluate other's cases
C. is unlikely to be an early target for NK
In this regard I would nominate myself as I am more likely to devote more time to reading (both filters and filter in the context of the thread as a whole) than anyone else. Additionally, I am relatively unknown which removes untoward bias for or against me due to previous games as well as making me a more impartial arbiter as it regards established players.
My lynch platform is:
Scum read > hard/impossible to read > null read > town read
## vote geript Except for the fact that you were killed N1 last game for the above reasons, by someone who is very likely smurfing in this game. He focuses on the likelihood of a night kill on gerpit, he is too interested in night actions and not in the candidacy or the actual ideas which gerpit proposes. I'm not a fan of this post or WoS's mentality. Vote me, screw random lynch. I'll lynch WoS. are you mad that it didn't work or that you didn't get more credit for it? Because it sure sounds like that. We had some discussion about the rnd you suggested, we had some discussion about what I suggested. I most definitely wouldn't phrase it the way your are This is something I noticed too. It sparked discussion - I'm left wondering what kind of discussion he thought RNG was supposed to generate if it didn't generate the kind he wanted.
I asked earlier on but it was ignored as far as I remember, why exactly would anyone bring up RNG at all? Is it ever a good idea? It seems to me that in every instance I have ever heard of RNG vote being talked about it has been shut down almost immediately so VE's suspicion makes sense though he doesn't delve into it here.
After that, Prom immediately jumps on me as a scum read which is proven worthless by both VE early and later by me, a post which Prom himself says he 'likes.'
He then switches his vote to VE.
At this point the Prom train is already running and plenty of other cases have been made against him which he constantly ignores all the while switching his focus all over the place, finally ending up at Wade.
I don't think I need to summarize in total all of the reasons other people have looked into as to why Prom looks scummy but for me at least it's all of the vote and focus switching along with the initial RNG attempted 'discussion.'
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Also I realized something else while going through Prom's filter...
MS, Prom himself mentioned that you are Mocsta...Geript only seems to agree with this after it was already mentioned.
Now I'm REALLY not going to be any good at looking into meta aside from what I've already said about Geript, but to me if this is true you've definitely changed your game around quite a bit.
What do you have to say about that and the fact that Geript is buddying you real hard? He also never responded to you saying his post structure was different aside from disagreeing with you 'at points' and not explaining himself.
Maybe I can get some insight from you before he gets back and what he says will corroborate in some way?
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Because his RNG case and scumread on me looked scummy. The quotes probe into his intentions but that is where the suspicion began and where I believe Prom realized he fucked up, as he said, forcing him to try and make himself look less scummy by voting VE and calling me 'super townie.'
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I'm not so sure what is difficult to understand about that...the beginning of the probing inevitably leads to other people catching on as well.
Any thoughts on my post after that?
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Ok you answered it.
I'm not concerned as to whether you are Mocsta or not, but clearly Geript is.
On February 26 2013 12:14 geript wrote:Show nested quote +On February 26 2013 11:27 WaveofShadow wrote:
A thought popped into my head regarding this...it may be absolutely retarded but you guys will let me know that after the fact, won't you? Moc that whole post looks fishy to me, this line seems especially out of place from Wave. Do you really like it that much?
On February 26 2013 12:29 geript wrote:
I'll hit that up Moc when I'm not on my phone.
It's a psychological thing Geript is revealing about himself here. He recognized someone he appears to 'know' (based on last game once again) and already assumes you and him share a rapport by referring to you as 'Moc,' and the fact that he assumed you are Mocsta in the first place, not even referring to a realization of the fact. He already assumes you two have a friendly connection, hence, 'buddying.'
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Little too WIFOM for my tastes but I'll take it anyway.
On February 26 2013 10:41 WaveofShadow wrote:Ok I'm back. Just kidding about lurking, y'all! Appreciate your efforts to stimulate discussion, Aquanim. Let's see what my extremely extensive D1 filter has reeled in. Oh look, a wild Promethelax who drops a scumread on me along with this timeless wisdom: Show nested quote +I can't read him on meta because I haven't played with him. Which is why I read him on behaviour instead. You were a scum coach in his one townie game. Do you have any insight you wanna share? At which point VE can't even contribute because I apparently 'lurked hard' D1 in my NMM game (despite the fact that if he even took 5 seconds to look at my filter from that game I was one of the highest post counts that day, well above the real lurkers in that game).
The scumread on me was scummy as it was based on almost nothing, especially since he focussed me when Vivax did the exact same thing, as VE stated.
On February 26 2013 10:11 VisceraEyes wrote:Show nested quote +On February 26 2013 10:07 Promethelax wrote:On February 26 2013 09:59 VisceraEyes wrote:
Prom that's closer to what I'm looking for. Why do you prefer to lynch WoS over Vivax? Because I don't care to lynch Vivax. I know I'm the only guy on the forum who thinks this but Vivax is a good player and useful to town when town. Also, as Marv showed in fruity, he is catchable as scum on meta alone. Tl:dr I have a scum read on WoS and not on Vivax. Show nested quote +On February 26 2013 09:57 Promethelax wrote:Okay, so RNG didn't create the discussion I wanted. Screw you guys. On February 26 2013 09:28 Wade Fell wrote:
My new platform is killing Layabout
Read his posts
hes scum Explain. For the moment my top scum read is WoS, he responded to gerpit's candidacy all wrong, obviously assuming gerpit is town but statistically... On February 26 2013 09:23 WaveofShadow wrote:On February 26 2013 09:20 geript wrote:
It looks to me that the best person for mayor is someone who is willing to:
A. put in the time to read the thread
B. both make and evaluate other's cases
C. is unlikely to be an early target for NK
In this regard I would nominate myself as I am more likely to devote more time to reading (both filters and filter in the context of the thread as a whole) than anyone else. Additionally, I am relatively unknown which removes untoward bias for or against me due to previous games as well as making me a more impartial arbiter as it regards established players.
My lynch platform is:
Scum read > hard/impossible to read > null read > town read
## vote geript Except for the fact that you were killed N1 last game for the above reasons, by someone who is very likely smurfing in this game. He focuses on the likelihood of a night kill on gerpit, he is too interested in night actions and not in the candidacy or the actual ideas which gerpit proposes. I'm not a fan of this post or WoS's mentality. Vote me, screw random lynch. I'll lynch WoS. Show nested quote +On February 26 2013 09:23 Vivax wrote:
Geript, what makes you unlikely for NK if you fulfil A + B properly?
lol Explain plz. Vivax is equally guilty of what you're accusing WoS of.
As for the 180, sure you can call it 'pressure' or whatever but that early in the game and based on nothing? What did he have to gain as town by doing that? In any case it's not the 180 on me that concerns me as much as the other stuff, and especially the vote switch.
On February 26 2013 17:04 MilkSuckler wrote:Show nested quote +On February 26 2013 16:59 WaveofShadow wrote:Ok you answered it. I'm not concerned as to whether you are Mocsta or not, but clearly Geript is. On February 26 2013 12:14 geript wrote:On February 26 2013 11:27 WaveofShadow wrote:
A thought popped into my head regarding this...it may be absolutely retarded but you guys will let me know that after the fact, won't you? Moc that whole post looks fishy to me, this line seems especially out of place from Wave. Do you really like it that much? On February 26 2013 12:29 geript wrote:
I'll hit that up Moc when I'm not on my phone. It's a psychological thing Geript is revealing about himself here. He recognized someone he appears to 'know' (based on last game once again) and already assumes you and him share a rapport by referring to you as 'Moc,' and the fact that he assumed you are Mocsta in the first place, not even referring to a realization of the fact. He already assumes you two have a friendly connection, hence, 'buddying.' I didnt read it that way. When was referring to .?Mocsta? I enquired whether he was talking to me. It is common to address smurfs by who you think they are (Look at FiveTouch in Mafia LIX) Now question for you: Why would it matter Geript is "buddying" up to me? Why not the plethora of other players? I checked the playing list for NMM37, you and Geript were in that.. why not buddy you to develop this rapport?
I'm asking you why you think it would matter because as I said before, I'm curious to hear his own intentions on the matter. And as for buddying again, obvious....because he made it very clear he thinks I'm 'scum.'
I'm curious as to why I have to prove everything I say to you even though everything has already been proven elsewhere in the thread? Multiple times if I remember correctly. (See DoctorHelvetica's long case on Prom, I'm sick of filter diving to prove everything to you).
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EBWOP (because you posted as I was writing this):
The WIFOM in my post refers to this post by you.
On February 26 2013 17:02 MilkSuckler wrote:Show nested quote +On February 26 2013 16:54 WaveofShadow wrote:
Because his RNG case and scumread on me looked scummy. The quotes probe into his intentions but that is where the suspicion began and where I believe Prom realized he fucked up, as he said, forcing him to try and make himself look less scummy by voting VE and calling me 'super townie.' OK, so you think he preempted the RNG being treated as scummy. Why do you think the scumread on you was scummy? And why do you think he would risk more "limelight" by doing a 180 on his read and declaring you super townie? - Does this not directly oppose the intention of "clearing one's name"?
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And with that, I'm off to bed.
Hopefully I've given you enough material to work with MS (because that's the only reason I could see you asking obvious questions that you could get the answers to yourself) until tomorrow.
It's funny this back-and-forth actually does seem very 'Mocsta-y' of you...so if you were trying to hide it then you're slipping.
Not that it matters any.
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Alright ladies and gents, I am back and ready for action. Just reading through the thread as we speak.
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On February 27 2013 03:39 ObviousOne wrote:@Milk Suckler http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=17883358Regarding that post, most of it seems to be spot on from my perspective. You sort of belabor the shit out of the RNG points and spread them into other categories but think about how Zarepath acted D1 in the last newbie game he played with me (us? if you're mocsta) and you'll see that it's possible he was indeed going about trying to generate discussion. He might have even been successful if he was vigilant in driving the conversation or hinting as to the direction he wanted to go with it, but since none of that actually happened it's looking like a really bad point against him. As for considering WOS a candidate, after the smack talk prior to looking at his newbie game and evaluating WOS' re-entrance to the thread, I could see how his mindset (as either alignment) would allow him to 180. WHY he 180s is a question for him directly at that point in the conversation, though from my perspective I see an enthusiastic WOS looking to take some burden off the concerns of town at a point where we were only looking at ~2 real candidates. One thing to note about WOS re-entry is him mentioning Aquanim. What was his reason for that?
Because Aquanim was the only one who actually acknowledged me; for the record I actually was feeling ignored but I had to go for a bit and wanted to see if anyone would react to me intentionally lurking.
As for your talk of me 180ing...what?
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Ohai Soniv, good to see you. I'd like to hear your thoughts on some of the other less-oft talked about people (since that's what you appear to be focusing on), namely geript, who still, STILL has not responded to my questions towards him, rather is tunneling his retarded ideas about me following a script or being 'excited' or some shit.
Also glurio, glad to see you've popped up as well, want to hear more from you as well, possibly on someone besides Prom/Vivax.
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On February 27 2013 04:42 ObviousOne wrote:
Vayesh is right where Vayesh wants to be right now. He is, in fact, part of the Brotherhood.
I'm starting to get real sick of the trolling.
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EPT
