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##Vote: DoctorHelvetica
Absolutely has to be. He is the only one of the vets who has managed to avoid being targeted the entire game? Look at the list of people who just went down. Not to mention he's been keeping me alive because eventually he figured somebody (Mocsta/Geript/himself/whoever) would eventually be able to push through a mislynch to give him some extra time. That's the only reason I've been left alive this long. Super active and helpful early game to help us find scum and then doesn't help much at all for the next while. This makes me think it's more likely he's bartender rather than scum because it doesn't look as scummy since he helped lynch scum and then disappeared as more and more townies started to die.
I urge the two of you who are left. I am the easy choice FOR A REASON. Don't vote for me or we're going to lose.
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On March 11 2013 09:19 DoctorHelvetica wrote:Show nested quote +Sounds good to me I guess. A Vivax flip as town will prove your associations are shit, and are likely scum, while a scum flip pretty much confirms you for town, in which case we've basically won anyway once Soniv goes down.
It's a win-win baby. Oops look who tried to deflect the nail-in-the-coffin bandwagon yesterday
His associations were still shit, and claiming Engineer was dumb as hell because he basically gave the bartender an ok to ignite.
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On March 11 2013 09:28 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
But the Vivax case was not and that's ultimately all that mattered isn't it
I agreed that the Vivax lynch made him town, but that doesn't mean he's right about everything.
Come on, DrH that's a weak proof. I'm going to have a fucking hell of a time trying to fight a lynch against you but you can do better than that at least.
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Challenge accepted.
Honestly I was thinking of just laying down and dying like Geript, but now it's actually on me to find some fucking scum or we lose. It's David against Dr. Goliath; I'm going to earn my right to play in your upcoming game.
Also hold on a sec, how in the fuck did I deflect the Vivax case exactly? I meant exactly what I said there, but was wrong about Soniv.
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On March 11 2013 09:58 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
you've literally never accused me before and this seems like desperation
why didn't me being alive yesterday set you off or shit even the day before that? all of a sudden you're sure i'm scum now? you're doing this instead of analysis on randombum/grush/testsubject all of whom have come under heavy suspicion at some point or another in this game?
It is desperation, you're right. Because I actually fucking care about winning/losing the game right now since we lost 5 townies at one go.
Grush has come under no serious suspicion at all all game and no one seems to give a shit despite my attempts, so what is trying now going to do?
Randombum I remember seeing as town earlier but I'll have a look at him eventually.
Testsubject I'll get to.
You first.
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Why do YOU care so much to actually pressure me all of a sudden after doing nothing for the past 3 days?
Same reason I'll bet.
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On March 11 2013 10:10 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
The situation is only desperate assuming there is a bartender which if that's the case, he has basically already won. If it is 1 scum versus 4 town there is at least one more chance to get it right. There's always a chance at an armorer or vet so it could even be another day after that.
The fuck?
Explain how there is no bartender.
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5 kills.
How does the KP add up even WITH two bombs from Mocsta? Where are scum going to get 2 nightkills all of a sudden?
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Wait, how are scum going to get 3 nighkills assuming one was used on Mocsta!
The fact that you are either playing dumb or didn't realize this looks awful on you.
And don't give me bullshit about not reading the OP either, you've had ample opportunity to re-read EVERY TIME someone has called you out on it.
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No I'm not letting that go.
How in blue FUCK would you expect 5 nightkills to happen without an ignite from a bartender?
Please.
I will delight in this tale.
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If this doesn't alert to the other people in this thread how little you seem to care, I don't know what does.
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It's so nice to have other people with opinions in this game.
The fact that you didn't care early doesn't make you less scummy either. If you are bartender it means you can let town and mafia kill each other all game. Your actual hard effort early game was enough to throw people off your trail because you can actually hunt scum like a towny and not sacrifice your win-con.
If you ARE just bored, why should anyone believe what you have to say and believe that you're putting effort into anything? You're looking for an easy cop-out answer as to your inactivity lately and your frankly HUGE slip. Even IF bartender ignited people with Ignite in the thread, that means you'd have to be assuming mafia had 3 KP. Where are they going to get those KP considering we've nothing but 1 every night since the beginning of the game and we already figured out we don't have an SK? I refuse to believe that basic math and analysis is beyond your reach.
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I never said you were scum, I said you're bartender.
You make a massive post talking about how much you don't care and you don't even care to read my accusations against you THAT YOU'RE MAKING THE POST TO DEFEND IN THE FIRST PLACE?
Hah.
Couple more interesting things I picked out of here.
On March 11 2013 11:23 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
My inactivity is 2/3rds the fact that I'm usually at work during the majority of the days discussion and filter diving has become really unattractive in a game that I would have conceded days ago if I were scum.
It's not beyond my reach but it's not something I ever do. Different people scumhunt in different ways. I limit myself to looking strictly between the lines because it's the thing I think I'm best at. It's why my Day 1 reads are so good and then my game takes a dive after that because I try to branch off with my analysis into things I'm not very good at doing. Some people like to catch scum by thinking really hard about the setup/night actions and laying traps or catching people in impossible logic/bad roleclaims. Those players fill that role pretty well and I don't because it's not the thing about mafia I find interesting, I just want to look at the behavior side of things. Some people like to ask lots of questions, some people like to rely on association reads, some people like to conspiracy theory, etc.
I don't do any of those games. I swear to you I've gone 3-4 days into a game as town without even realizing there was a certain role in the game. Someone starts talking about the mad hatter and I didn't even know there was a mad hatter. I don't care because it's not really relevant to the way I analyze things. It's an aspect of my game I absolutely should improve on though, I'll give you that.
If I was assuming mafia had 3 KP how would I make that assumption if I were scum? That's a point +100000 for how lazy I'm playing but has nothing to do with my alignment. I figured mafia killed MilkSuckler after learning his bombs weren't on any of them and the fourth KP I didn't really pay attention to but you're right, it must be the bartender.
And the 5th? Even during this conversation you're essentially telling me you don't care. That's not a towny way to play. At all. The only night it ever would have been possible for scum to have 3 KP was right at the start of the game. (Not including dayvig). You're really telling me that you don't ever read roles or flips or ANYTHING all throughout a game? It doesn't even make sense to me how you could play a game of mafia that way without blowing reads completely and sounding really stupid every single time you're proven wrong.
I would tell you this though, as scum I take things very seriously and if I stopped caring about the game I'd at least ask for a replacement out of respect for my teammates. I wouldn't just tank and stop caring like I am now because I figured town had won a long time ago. Do you watch sports? It's like when an elite team plays against some scrub team not even going to make the playoffs and gets owned because they underestimate their opponents and don't even try. That's what I've done in this game. I won't make any promises that I will care a lot later but if I'm the last scum in this game, I would throw in the towel the right way which is a PM to GreYMisT.
There's only one scum left right now and clearly he hasn't thrown in the towel yet. If this is some 'subtle' way of calling me scum and telling me to give in, even that makes no sense because scum has a real chance of winning this game right now. WHICH IS WHY I'M TRYING TO FIND HIM.
What I have learned to trust is my Day 1/2 analysis when I was caring about this game and I'm trying to get back in touch with what I was thinking then and put the rest of events into perspective. Vivax had absolutely no response to my case and after some weak confusion about the night actions there wasn't much of a defense except for people who wanted jcarlsoniv dead instead. It's not just that you had soniv as a higher scumread than Vivax (I'm dubious about that because I think I nailed him pretty hard on Day 1 but just got sidetracked whereas Jcarls at least put surface effort into scumhunting and was more townie about the way he acted by far) but you seemed to be legitimately upset that Vivax would be lynched at all. Now MilkSuckler is gone.
Show me where Soniv put effort into scumhunting besides a few measly questions and maybe one case throughout his whole tenure in this thread. He was useless. What contributions did he make to help out the town? I defy you to tell me how he helped. I stood by the mislynch on Geript and I stand by my reads on Soniv.
So far you've managed to demonstrate that I've lacked interest and effort in this game - as is true for every game I play in - but now can you demonstrate why that makes me scum and what my scum motivations are for not even reading what happens? So I can reference my disinterested town meta that you have no idea about since it's been almost a year since I've been active? So I can make a meta defense (which I hate doing) against people who don't know me? That's a conspiracy theory at best.
Nope, but I already demonstrated your 2rd party motivations.
YOU ARE THE BARTENDER.
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Ugh. EBWOP (right at the end of my last post:
So far you've managed to demonstrate that I've lacked interest and effort in this game - as is true for every game I play in - but now can you demonstrate why that makes me scum and what my scum motivations are for not even reading what happens? So I can reference my disinterested town meta that you have no idea about since it's been almost a year since I've been active? So I can make a meta defense (which I hate doing) against people who don't know me? That's a conspiracy theory at best.
Nope, but I already demonstrated your 2rd party motivations.
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3rd party. Fuck me.
Anyway now it all depends on whether the other two town in here (if anyone else besides me actually cares about salvaging this clusterfuck of a game) want to lynch DrH first or try to find who the actual scum is.
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On March 11 2013 11:42 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
I'm the bartender who doesn't even know what the bartender does until now
oh i see
Or you are lying and you are covering it up using the earlier laziness precedent you set up.
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Welp, guess there's no convincing anyone since I basically haven't been listened to all game.
Good luck town, you're going to need it. Basically the only chance you guys have is if mafia hits the bartender tonight, and I'm not so sure it's within mafia's best interests to do that.
I'll change my vote to randombum since it's the only chance in hell I've got to save myself, not that it matters since even if I live another day I still won't be able to make you stubborn sons of bitches listen to me.
##Unvote: DoctorHelvetica
##Vote: randombum
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To make it easy as fuck to frame me?
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If the bartender doesn't get hit tonight he can win real easy since he's been manipulating the fuck out of us all from the start anyway.
Honestly, I've put in about as much effort as I can guys. This isn't me martyring, but I am either literally not good enough at this to be able to convince you, (nor have I been all game with cases I've made apparently) or you've already made up your minds. If you guys are so sure of the lynch on me, make it happen and I guess I have to take some blame in the loss for not being better at the game. I've been avoiding playing the noob card all game but since I'm about to exit anyway it's the last card I've got.
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I don't fucking know what to believe.
No one else who is still alive right now has been under any serious suspicion all game. DrH as bartender makes the most sense to me considering his recent post history but I have to keep my vote on you to save my own ass just in case there is a last minute switch.
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